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BustedKnuckles
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George Zimmerman's friend now says he is guilty, racially profiled Trayvon Martin Frank Taaffe vocally supported George Zimmerman throughout his trial and told the media his friend 'became the victim' following the 2012 death of Trayvon Martin. Now, Taaffe says he believes Zimmerman racially profiled Martin and is guilty of murder.
BY MEG WAGNER
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Tuesday, May 13, 2014, 9:34 AM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-friend-guilty-article-1.1790043#ixzz31e4e7tfZ
A vocal supporter of George Zimmerman has had a change of heart — now, he thinks his friend got away with murder.
Frank Taaffe served on the neighborhood watch with the man accused of killing Trayvon Martin and vocally supported him throughout his trial. But months after Zimmerman was acquitted, Taaffe told Orlando's News 13 that his neighbor should have been found guilty.
He told the TV station that the incident stemmed from the color of Trayvon's skin.
"What I know of George and his tendencies and also my opinion is that he racially profiled Trayvon Martin that night," he said. "If that had been a white kid on a cellphone, walking through our neighborhood, he wouldn't have stayed on him the way he did, and that's a fact, and I believe that in my heart."
Zimmerman was found not guilty in July after he was accused of following and shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February 2012. Zimmerman claimed he acted in self-defense.
From the beginning, Taaffe supported Zimmerman. He once told News 13 that his friend only wanted to "ensure the safety of the community he lived in" and that his friend "became the victim."
After the deaths of his brother and two sons, Taaffe said his view of the situation changed.
"I can only ask for the country to forgive me and today I believe that he racially profiled him based on the color of his skin," he said.
BY MEG WAGNER
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Tuesday, May 13, 2014, 9:34 AM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-friend-guilty-article-1.1790043#ixzz31e4e7tfZ
A vocal supporter of George Zimmerman has had a change of heart — now, he thinks his friend got away with murder.
Frank Taaffe served on the neighborhood watch with the man accused of killing Trayvon Martin and vocally supported him throughout his trial. But months after Zimmerman was acquitted, Taaffe told Orlando's News 13 that his neighbor should have been found guilty.
He told the TV station that the incident stemmed from the color of Trayvon's skin.
"What I know of George and his tendencies and also my opinion is that he racially profiled Trayvon Martin that night," he said. "If that had been a white kid on a cellphone, walking through our neighborhood, he wouldn't have stayed on him the way he did, and that's a fact, and I believe that in my heart."
Zimmerman was found not guilty in July after he was accused of following and shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February 2012. Zimmerman claimed he acted in self-defense.
From the beginning, Taaffe supported Zimmerman. He once told News 13 that his friend only wanted to "ensure the safety of the community he lived in" and that his friend "became the victim."
After the deaths of his brother and two sons, Taaffe said his view of the situation changed.
"I can only ask for the country to forgive me and today I believe that he racially profiled him based on the color of his skin," he said.
timschochet
Footballguy
Too late. Those of us who thought he was guilty were probably right all along, but it's too late.
There's a big difference between "he's guilty and racially profiled the kid" and "IMO he is guilty and racially profiled the kid." One suggests that he has new evidence or reason to believe Zimmerman acted the way he did. One just simply means he changed his mind. Why should anyone give the latter any weight?George Zimmerman's friend now says he is guilty, racially profiled Trayvon Martin Frank Taaffe vocally supported George Zimmerman throughout his trial and told the media his friend 'became the victim' following the 2012 death of Trayvon Martin. Now, Taaffe says he believes Zimmerman racially profiled Martin and is guilty of murder.
BY MEG WAGNER
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Tuesday, May 13, 2014, 9:34 AM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-friend-guilty-article-1.1790043#ixzz31e4e7tfZ
A vocal supporter of George Zimmerman has had a change of heart — now, he thinks his friend got away with murder.
Frank Taaffe served on the neighborhood watch with the man accused of killing Trayvon Martin and vocally supported him throughout his trial. But months after Zimmerman was acquitted, Taaffe told Orlando's News 13 that his neighbor should have been found guilty.
He told the TV station that the incident stemmed from the color of Trayvon's skin.
"What I know of George and his tendencies and also my opinion is that he racially profiled Trayvon Martin that night," he said. "If that had been a white kid on a cellphone, walking through our neighborhood, he wouldn't have stayed on him the way he did, and that's a fact, and I believe that in my heart."
Zimmerman was found not guilty in July after he was accused of following and shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February 2012. Zimmerman claimed he acted in self-defense.
From the beginning, Taaffe supported Zimmerman. He once told News 13 that his friend only wanted to "ensure the safety of the community he lived in" and that his friend "became the victim."
After the deaths of his brother and two sons, Taaffe said his view of the situation changed.
"I can only ask for the country to forgive me and today I believe that he racially profiled him based on the color of his skin," he said.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
still fighting the good fight i see ...even the people closest to Zimmy are figuring out the truth about this guy...its ok to admit he targeted that kid because he was black which led to a confrontation which led to a deathThere's a big difference between "he's guilty and racially profiled the kid" and "IMO he is guilty and racially profiled the kid." One suggests that he has new evidence or reason to believe Zimmerman acted the way he did. One just simply means he changed his mind. Why should anyone give the latter any weight?George Zimmerman's friend now says he is guilty, racially profiled Trayvon Martin Frank Taaffe vocally supported George Zimmerman throughout his trial and told the media his friend 'became the victim' following the 2012 death of Trayvon Martin. Now, Taaffe says he believes Zimmerman racially profiled Martin and is guilty of murder.
BY MEG WAGNER
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Tuesday, May 13, 2014, 9:34 AM
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-friend-guilty-article-1.1790043#ixzz31e4e7tfZ
A vocal supporter of George Zimmerman has had a change of heart — now, he thinks his friend got away with murder.
Frank Taaffe served on the neighborhood watch with the man accused of killing Trayvon Martin and vocally supported him throughout his trial. But months after Zimmerman was acquitted, Taaffe told Orlando's News 13 that his neighbor should have been found guilty.
He told the TV station that the incident stemmed from the color of Trayvon's skin.
"What I know of George and his tendencies and also my opinion is that he racially profiled Trayvon Martin that night," he said. "If that had been a white kid on a cellphone, walking through our neighborhood, he wouldn't have stayed on him the way he did, and that's a fact, and I believe that in my heart."
Zimmerman was found not guilty in July after he was accused of following and shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February 2012. Zimmerman claimed he acted in self-defense.
From the beginning, Taaffe supported Zimmerman. He once told News 13 that his friend only wanted to "ensure the safety of the community he lived in" and that his friend "became the victim."
After the deaths of his brother and two sons, Taaffe said his view of the situation changed.
"I can only ask for the country to forgive me and today I believe that he racially profiled him based on the color of his skin," he said.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
by the legal definition of self defense...they had no choice ...but even some of them said he was guilty of being a dumb ####### and indirectly causing the entire situation to escalate.(not verbatim but close enough lol)
kentric
Footballguy
Even if he did racially profile the guy (which wouldn't be a surprise based on recent incidents in the neighborhood), that still wouldn't necessarily mean he should have been charged with murder. The case revolved around the interaction/fight between the two and Z's actions/reasons for pulling the trigger. Following Martin because of his skin color does not make this murder.
The kid won the fight but kept throwing punches. Zimmerman was screaming for help and he was asked to stop by a bystander. The only reason to continue throwing punches at that point was to inflict bodily harm. We can debate how serious the harm could have potentially been, but Zimmerman was within his rights to defend himself.
The Commish
Footballguy
The kid's dead, but he won the fight
That's certainly one way to look at it.This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
kentric
Footballguy
Better? lolThe kid's dead, but he won the fight
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Thread title still cracks me up.
pantherclub
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pantherclub
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
thank you for finally realizing that shooting someone during a one on one fight adds up to murder
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
again...the letter of the law says he had the right to defend himself ...but the zimmy defenders (the last of a dying breed) keep failing to understand that when you profile someone and stalk them because you already made up your mind that because hes black hes up to no good,and you`re armed with a gun , that you have set into motion a chain of events that has a 99.9 % chance of ending badly.Therefor making you responsible for that death.kentric said:
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I haven't paid attention in a long time, but wasn't the jury 2 votes not guilty, 2 votes guilty for the higher charge, 1 vote guilty for the lesser charge, and 1 pro gun jury member that strong armed everyone in her dreams of a book deal? Didn't they ask a technical question about the law just prior to delivering the verdict, a question that's answer was still being discussed? I think self defense was very high hurdle to clear, but I don't think it is clear that this jury necessarily agreed there was no choice until the one dominant juror got her way.BustedKnuckles said:
Again, this could be an out dated perspective on what happened as it has been a while.
The charge was 2nd Degree Murder. The first vote was 3 in favor of acquittal, 2 in favor of the lesser charge of manslaughter, and one fro 2nd degree murder. Taking an initial vote is common before the facts and law are examined to gauge where everyone stands. Then after the law and facts were examined closely, they were all in agreement with acquittal. I don't think there was any strong arm tactics that you describe.
Haven't been in here in a while, but I fail to see how proving racial profiling equates to murder.
The facts still support the idea of Martin attacking Zimmerman, leaving self defense as a completely reasonable outcome.
As I said months ago, Zimmerman is an idiot, but too many folks are too quick to give Martin a pass.
The facts still support the idea of Martin attacking Zimmerman, leaving self defense as a completely reasonable outcome.
As I said months ago, Zimmerman is an idiot, but too many folks are too quick to give Martin a pass.
Still a stretch to call it capital murder- although I think most would agree it should equate to some sort of crime.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
First you are correct it was 2 for manslaughter and B29 for 2nd degree murder. Of course you don't think there was any strong arming, but that juror B29 says otherwise. (ETA: Though she did say at the same time that the prosecution failed to prove its case, kind of contradicting herself.)
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
if im stalking you and you feel threatened doesnt the person being followed have a right to defend themselves?
The way you characterize this is always humorous.
Sure, but not to turn away from your own front door once you've already lost the tail and attack the guy. How is that "defending yourself?" Then to continue pummeling him once he's clearly down and yelling for help?
The truth is that Martin was a punk who liked to fight. Zimmerman set the whole thing up, but it only ends up with Martin dead BECAUSE he was a punk who liked to fight. You can't put ALL of the blame on Zimmerman. It's tragic, and it's sad, but it's not capital Murder.
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ClownCausedChaos2
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You're 17-years-old (or any age, for that matter), in a neighborhood that you're not overly familiar with, being stalked by an individual that you know nothing about, and then confronted/attacked.
You don't knock him down and take off, hoping it all works out for the best. You beat him until you don't hear him screaming anymore.
Martin was justified in whatever ###-whooping he was putting on Zimmerman. And Zimmerman is a ##### (starts with a "p") for crying self-defense.
You don't knock him down and take off, hoping it all works out for the best. You beat him until you don't hear him screaming anymore.
Martin was justified in whatever ###-whooping he was putting on Zimmerman. And Zimmerman is a ##### (starts with a "p") for crying self-defense.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
the only one saying trey attacked him is zimmy...we dont know that trey wasnt hiding to see if zimmy was in fact stalking him...then saw zimmy skulking around in the dark so he steps out from the shadows and asks whats up ...then it`s the aggressor zimmy who pops off at the mouth which trey closes...then gets shot ...never said this was capital murder...this was one ######## with a gun acting like king #### and starting something he needed a gun to finish
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
yes because a man of zimmy`s character would never embellish or lie of change the truth when his freedom is on the line...so his word is the all knowing truth
The Commish
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
So a few months go by and suddenly everyone who was proven wrong now think they were right all along.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
when zimmy`s staunchest supporter turns his back on zimmy and says he thinks hes guilty as charged,then yes,it makes me feel that my opinion was spot on.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I guess this is the point in the thread where we start to make horrible analogies that incorrectly prove a point.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It is just your "opinion" There is not one of us that will ever know what really happened. That is fact not opinion.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
So nothing was proven a few months ago other than maybe this particular group of prosecutors didn't prove their case to this particular jury?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Maybe they did prove it. Just was not the outcome you were looking for. Again none of us will ever know nor should be try to keep speculating.
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Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Should have never wandered back in here.
There are 514 pages of testimony in this thread. Just pick out any single page and you are caught up because they are all the same. This thread is the closed thing to Ground Hog Day at FBGs.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Have we settled this one yet? I'm hoping that maybe we can move on to settling the Palestinian question next.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I'll take that as nothing as a not guilty jury verdict only proves that those particular jurors believed that there was enough remaining reasonable doubt to not convict Zimmerman (or OJ) and doesn't prove anything about the actual events of the night.
timschochet
Footballguy
This thread isn't the real deal without Carolina Hustler and JoJo. It's like that 4th Bourne movie without Matt Damon.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
And what were the actual events? There will be opinions and speculation on both sides but nobody will ever know unless you witnessed the actual events. I certainly don`t claim to know. Nor does anybody here know.
Doug B
Footballguy
People have to come to grips with the fact that the American justice system is not set up to bring 100% of guilty people to justice. Because humans are not omniscient, some proportion of the God's-eye-view guilty will always go free. The alternative would be to overreach, and purposefully convict many God's-eye-view innocent people to make sure that the guilty one (even without evidence) is brought to justice. Even then, while the proportion of solved crimes would approach 100%, it still wouldn't actually be 100%.
In short: humans can't know perfect truth, so we do the best we can ... leaning toward some guilty persons necessarily going free.
In short: humans can't know perfect truth, so we do the best we can ... leaning toward some guilty persons necessarily going free.
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