Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[jon_mx]

Someone check the ip of JohnnyMac...it's gotta be another Tim alias...

Good catch. Those two have never been seen in the same room at the same time......hhhmmmmm. Just happens to pick up after Tim declares he is leaving this topic.

 

[Politician Spock]

As part of the affiliate agreement that allows local stations to broadcast a network like NBC, is network's right to air local news reports nationally. When they do, the local journalist just says "this is (insert name) reporting for NBC news" even though the journalist works for the local affiliate. Pretty much any local news that gets national attention is done this way, as was the Martin/Zimmerman story.

So my previous question still stands unanswered. Would you like to answer it with the knowledge that their story was aired nationally?

I answered the question....It was aired on the Today show. And other national media ran with it also.

Yes. I know the answer. As do a lot of people.

I'm trying to determine how much The Commish is willing to ignore to keep holding on to his opinion that the lack of journalistic integrity that was broadcated by the MSM had little to do with the nation's view of the issue.

 

[squistion]

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher 3h

I see Ariel Castro got life plus 1000 years! Said his only regret was that he wasnt tried in Florida.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher 3h

I see Ariel Castro got life plus 1000 years! Said his only regret was that he wasnt tried in Florida.

Florida...where the innocent are found guilty and the guilty go free

 

[kentric]

America Breaking News: Police: Robbers Tell Man, 'This is for Trayvon Martin'
http://screen.yahoo.com/america-breaking-news-police-robbers-181217259.html

The comments tied to this article are amazing. I never realized how far right Yahoo's audience was.

 

[dickey moe]

Im off with my gun to stalk and harass some minority kids and then kill them when they kick my ###!

Wish me luck!!

Are you ever going to bother to even attempt to make an argument even remotely related to the actual events? Just a rhetorical question btw, because I know you aren't.

Once I plant those black kids I chased in the ground, Im going to get my cop buddies to set me up with an accident where I can help out!!

Win-win!!

Good luck!!If you save four lives for every one you take, I can't see how anyone would be upset by that.

Keep us posted.

Win win win win lose!

Win win win win lose!

You're acting like a child.

 

[TobiasFunke]

America Breaking News: Police: Robbers Tell Man, 'This is for Trayvon Martin'
http://screen.yahoo.com/america-breaking-news-police-robbers-181217259.html

The comments tied to this article are amazing. I never realized how far right Yahoo's audience was.

I think those of us who spend a lot of our internet time in the FFA actually have an overly rosy view of internet comments/the general state of discourse. There are a lot of idiots out there. Here they mostly get shouted down, but in other places they're the majority.

 

[kentric]

America Breaking News: Police: Robbers Tell Man, 'This is for Trayvon Martin'
http://screen.yahoo.com/america-breaking-news-police-robbers-181217259.html

The comments tied to this article are amazing. I never realized how far right Yahoo's audience was.

I think those of us who spend a lot of our internet time in the FFA actually have an overly rosy view of internet comments/the general state of discourse. There are a lot of idiots out there. Here they mostly get shouted down, but in other places they're the majority.

You'd think that a site like Yahoo would cater to a rather diverse group of people, but the content of almost every comment posted was inherently rascist. It just surprised me.

 

[Johnnymac]

So much LOL incredible!!

Let me fix that for you.

SO MUCH IGNORANCE, LOL.

Obviously you would never had been at the disadvantage that night since you had been in over a dozen fist-fights at that point in your life, and that is the ######ed logic you are using to make the decision that someone acted correctly or not. Meaning no matter the age or sex, had GZ been a woman walking home in her twenties if she was unable to fend off the battery from a raged filled Martin intent on inflicting great bodily harm or worse, you would expect her to fend off Martin's battery with her fists instead of utilizing her 2nd amendment rights.

You call me ignorant? LMAO

Yes when someone shows such a complete lack of knowledge about the facts of the case, I will call you ignorant.

I listened to the entire trial. Did you?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Look who is out on the hunt again.

 

[Joe McGee]

Look who is out on the hunt again.

Oh noes, a warning for speeding. What to do?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Look who is out on the hunt again.

Oh noes, a warning for speeding. What to do?

Waste a kid?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So much LOL incredible!!

Let me fix that for you.

SO MUCH IGNORANCE, LOL.

Obviously you would never had been at the disadvantage that night since you had been in over a dozen fist-fights at that point in your life, and that is the ######ed logic you are using to make the decision that someone acted correctly or not. Meaning no matter the age or sex, had GZ been a woman walking home in her twenties if she was unable to fend off the battery from a raged filled Martin intent on inflicting great bodily harm or worse, you would expect her to fend off Martin's battery with her fists instead of utilizing her 2nd amendment rights.

You call me ignorant? LMAO

Yes when someone shows such a complete lack of knowledge about the facts of the case, I will call you ignorant.

I listened to the entire trial. Did you?

I did... And I think you're off your rocker as well... Any questions for me?

 

[Rayderr]

Look who is out on the hunt again.

Why are you such a bigot against hispanics?

 

[Johnnymac]

So much LOL incredible!!

Let me fix that for you.

SO MUCH IGNORANCE, LOL.

Obviously you would never had been at the disadvantage that night since you had been in over a dozen fist-fights at that point in your life, and that is the ######ed logic you are using to make the decision that someone acted correctly or not. Meaning no matter the age or sex, had GZ been a woman walking home in her twenties if she was unable to fend off the battery from a raged filled Martin intent on inflicting great bodily harm or worse, you would expect her to fend off Martin's battery with her fists instead of utilizing her 2nd amendment rights.

You call me ignorant? LMAO

Yes when someone shows such a complete lack of knowledge about the facts of the case, I will call you ignorant.

I listened to the entire trial. Did you?

I did... And I think you're off your rocker as well... Any questions for me?

Nope.

 

[Clifford]

CBS News reports that, during the traffic stop, which occurred at 12:54 p.m., Zimmerman also asked the officer if he recognized him from television.

 

[Rayderr]

CBS News reports that, during the traffic stop, which occurred at 12:54 p.m., Zimmerman also asked the officer if he recognized him from television.

I'm surprised no one else posted a link to that already.

 

[jamny]

this thread still going strong? wtf.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Look who is out on the hunt again.

Why are you such a bigot against hispanics?

They smell funny.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

53% of Americans support SYG and 67% with guns in household support it

 

[TobiasFunke]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

 

[5 digit know nothing]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

20 times?

 

[3C's]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

And the gun lobby is loving every minute of it since every "scare" gets the suckers to line up for their "right". Straight cash homey!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

And the gun lobby is loving every minute of it since every "scare" gets the suckers to line up for their "right". Straight cash homey!

If team 'Lets get rid of all the bad bad guns' was worried about gun lobbyists having money to lobby, maybe they would stop giving them ammunition.. "homey"..

 

[jamny]

bare arms

 

[jon_mx]

I am more concerned with the right to bare breasts.

 

[3C's]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

And the gun lobby is loving every minute of it since every "scare" gets the suckers to line up for their "right". Straight cash homey!

If team 'Lets get rid of all the bad bad guns' was worried about gun lobbyists having money to lobby, maybe they would stop giving them ammunition.. "homey"..

Guess you're one of the suckers.

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/971920_200274780136040_694610493_n.jpg

 

[5 digit know nothing]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

And the gun lobby is loving every minute of it since every "scare" gets the suckers to line up for their "right". Straight cash homey!

If team 'Lets get rid of all the bad bad guns' was worried about gun lobbyists having money to lobby, maybe they would stop giving them ammunition.. "homey"..

Guess you're one of the suckers.https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/971920_200274780136040_694610493_n.jpg

Yes. Gun Control is all about going from "0-to-Confiscation", you must be a Tim alias.

 

[Joe McGee]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

And the gun lobby is loving every minute of it since every "scare" gets the suckers to line up for their "right". Straight cash homey!

If team 'Lets get rid of all the bad bad guns' was worried about gun lobbyists having money to lobby, maybe they would stop giving them ammunition.. "homey"..

Guess you're one of the suckers.

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/971920_200274780136040_694610493_n.jpg

One idiot leaves and you step right in to take his place.

 

[3C's]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

And the gun lobby is loving every minute of it since every "scare" gets the suckers to line up for their "right". Straight cash homey!

If team 'Lets get rid of all the bad bad guns' was worried about gun lobbyists having money to lobby, maybe they would stop giving them ammunition.. "homey"..

Guess you're one of the suckers.

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/971920_200274780136040_694610493_n.jpg

One idiot leaves and you step right in to take his place.

you idiots have been buying what the fear mongers have been selling for years and they're laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

And the gun lobby is loving every minute of it since every "scare" gets the suckers to line up for their "right". Straight cash homey!

If team 'Lets get rid of all the bad bad guns' was worried about gun lobbyists having money to lobby, maybe they would stop giving them ammunition.. "homey"..

Guess you're one of the suckers.

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/971920_200274780136040_694610493_n.jpg

Gun owners buy guns because they want to buy guns.. We have a right as US citizens to purchase and own guns.. You can throw up any BS anti-gun propaganda you want. Reality is, if someone didn't want to buy a gun, the NRA isn't going to change their mind.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The political agenda machine failed yet again to misuse a national headline to push an unrelated agenda.

67% of Americans support SYG

Haven't you posted like 20 times in this thread and others about people "exercising their second amendment rights" in this case and other self-defense cases? I don't think you have the standing to complain about anyone else pushing an unrelated agenda.

Of course he does. Our right to bare arms has been under attack for the last 4 years (longer).. Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters can and should be speaking up any and every time they get a chance to. Every day anti-gun folks look for new ways to manipulate the situation, we have to identify this and speak out against it..

And the gun lobby is loving every minute of it since every "scare" gets the suckers to line up for their "right". Straight cash homey!

If team 'Lets get rid of all the bad bad guns' was worried about gun lobbyists having money to lobby, maybe they would stop giving them ammunition.. "homey"..

Guess you're one of the suckers.

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/971920_200274780136040_694610493_n.jpg

One idiot leaves and you step right in to take his place.

you idiots have been buying what the fear mongers have been selling for years and they're laughing all the way to the bank.

'Gun owners only buy guns because Gun lobbyists say Obama is trying to take guns away'

lol.. whatever you want to believe buddy...

 

[3C's]

wow, the thickness of this one's head is impressive.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

wow, the thickness of this one's head is impressive.

Didn't we the gullible and taken advantage of, just stave off one of the worst and most ridiculous anti-gun attacks in history? Idiots trying to ban guns because they look scary?.. wtf are talking about? Without Gun lobbyists and the NRA, we'd have lost that battle..

When anti-gun legislation and anti-gun agendas are rampant, gun owners stick together.. It's like a union in a sense. Of course someone is going to make money selling guns, but people gladly pay for something they want, and the extra money placed in the hands of pro-gun lobbyists is the best part about it. Gun owners aren't divided. There is strength in that group.. Post all the propaganda you want..

I guess you're laughing at people who eat at Chick fil a as well.. They are being taken advantage of right? "Chick fil a is laughing all the way to the bank" because of some anti-gay crap..

Maybe you're to ignorant to understand..

But it's ok for guys like Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton to create faux outrage and then rake in the dough.. When gun lobbyists are combating real anti-gun legislation and gun owners buy guns then somehow gun owners are idiots.. Gun owners walk away with something tangible that they wanted to begin with.. What are you getting?

 

[3C's]

That anti-gun attack was HORRIBLE! I mean they almost got background checks!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

That anti-gun attack was HORRIBLE! I mean they almost got background checks!

Yea, because background checks are all they were after... What does a flash suppressor, or a heat shroud, or a pistol grip have to do with back ground checks?

You feel like you're putting up a good argument?

 

[Dr Oadi]

That anti-gun attack was HORRIBLE! I mean they almost got background checks!

Yea, because background checks are all they were after... What does a flash suppressor, or a heat shroud, or a pistol grip have to do with back ground checks?You feel like you're putting up a good argument?

backgroundtax!

 

[3C's]

That anti-gun attack was HORRIBLE! I mean they almost got background checks!

Yea, because background checks are all they were after... What does a flash suppressor, or a heat shroud, or a pistol grip have to do with back ground checks?

You feel like you're putting up a good argument?

It's the idiots who believed they were actually going to get any of that ####. Sorry this is so hard for you to grasp.

 

[Rayderr]

That anti-gun attack was HORRIBLE! I mean they almost got background checks!

Yea, because background checks are all they were after... What does a flash suppressor, or a heat shroud, or a pistol grip have to do with back ground checks?

You feel like you're putting up a good argument?

It's the idiots who believed they were actually going to get any of that ####. Sorry this is so hard for you to grasp.

The Democrats?

 

[3C's]

That anti-gun attack was HORRIBLE! I mean they almost got background checks!

Yea, because background checks are all they were after... What does a flash suppressor, or a heat shroud, or a pistol grip have to do with back ground checks?

You feel like you're putting up a good argument?

It's the idiots who believed they were actually going to get any of that ####. Sorry this is so hard for you to grasp.

The Democrats?

touche'

of course it wasn't "democrats" clearing the shelves of everything the gun manufacturers could produce because "Obama was going to take their guns!". I kept telling myself to invest in S/W (+56% YTD) and Ruger (+21%) ...but no.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

That anti-gun attack was HORRIBLE! I mean they almost got background checks!

Yea, because background checks are all they were after... What does a flash suppressor, or a heat shroud, or a pistol grip have to do with back ground checks?You feel like you're putting up a good argument?

It's the idiots who believed they were actually going to get any of that ####. Sorry this is so hard for you to grasp.

The Democrats?

touche'of course it wasn't "democrats" clearing the shelves of everything the gun manufacturers could produce because "Obama was going to take their guns!". I kept telling myself to invest in S/W (+56% YTD) and Ruger (+21%) ...but no.

Not only are you make the grandest of generalizations, but you are also making the grandest of leaps in anti-gun rhetoric. But please go ahead, keep telling the "other side" how delusional they are if that makes you feel any better.

 

[3C's]

That anti-gun attack was HORRIBLE! I mean they almost got background checks!

Yea, because background checks are all they were after... What does a flash suppressor, or a heat shroud, or a pistol grip have to do with back ground checks?You feel like you're putting up a good argument?

It's the idiots who believed they were actually going to get any of that ####. Sorry this is so hard for you to grasp.

The Democrats?

touche'of course it wasn't "democrats" clearing the shelves of everything the gun manufacturers could produce because "Obama was going to take their guns!". I kept telling myself to invest in S/W (+56% YTD) and Ruger (+21%) ...but no.

Not only are you make the grandest of generalizations, but you are also making the grandest of leaps in anti-gun rhetoric. But please go ahead, keep telling the "other side" how delusional they are if that makes you feel any better.

In english please.

 

[jon_mx]

I believe what is being conveyed is that you characterize all pro-gun people using the most extreme lunatics, but you characterize the anti-gun people by the moderate positions. In English, the way you frame the arguments is so ridiculously biased it is a waste of time to even attempt to engage in anything that even remotely resembles a half-way intelligent discussion with you.

 

[3C's]

I believe what is being conveyed is that you characterize all pro-gun people using the most extreme lunatics, but you characterize the anti-gun people by the moderate positions. In English, the way you frame the arguments is so ridiculously biased it is a waste of time to even attempt to engage in anything that even remotely resembles a half-way intelligent discussion with you.

### #### stupid ####### board and it's ####ty posting issues! ####!

ok, now that that's out if the way.

Since you seem to be having such difficulty with that pic let me break it down for you.

For the last 5+ years has the mantra been "Obama is coming for your guns"? Yes. Has that come from Obama/the left or from the right? Hint: link and link During that same span have the manufacturers reaped record profits? Hint: link

People being played.

 

[Rayderr]

I believe what is being conveyed is that you characterize all pro-gun people using the most extreme lunatics, but you characterize the anti-gun people by the moderate positions. In English, the way you frame the arguments is so ridiculously biased it is a waste of time to even attempt to engage in anything that even remotely resembles a half-way intelligent discussion with you.

### #### stupid ####### board and it's ####ty posting issues! ####!

ok, now that that's out if the way.

Since you seem to be having such difficulty with that pic let me break it down for you.

For the last 5+ years has the mantra been "Obama is coming for your guns"? Yes. Has that come from Obama/the left or from the right? Hint: link and link During that same span have the manufacturers reaped record profits? Hint: link

People being played.

Well to be fair, the left did try to come for the guns (at least some of the guns with the Assault Weapons Ban which did not pass)

 

[TobiasFunke]

Oh good lord, I didn't mean to start a whole new gun conversation just by pointing out that one poster had repeatedly used the pointless phrase "Second Amendment rights." Nobody has ever successfully defended themselves from a violent crime charge by appealing to the Second Amendment. Whether you think he was guilty or properly found to be acting in self defense, he was NOT simply exercising a Constitutional right. That's stupid.

Although now that it's back from the dead, this amusing article should keep you guys going for a while.

 

[3C's]

I believe what is being conveyed is that you characterize all pro-gun people using the most extreme lunatics, but you characterize the anti-gun people by the moderate positions. In English, the way you frame the arguments is so ridiculously biased it is a waste of time to even attempt to engage in anything that even remotely resembles a half-way intelligent discussion with you.

### #### stupid ####### board and it's ####ty posting issues! ####!

ok, now that that's out if the way.

Since you seem to be having such difficulty with that pic let me break it down for you.

For the last 5+ years has the mantra been "Obama is coming for your guns"? Yes. Has that come from Obama/the left or from the right? Hint: link and link During that same span have the manufacturers reaped record profits? Hint: link

People being played.

Well to be fair, the left did try to come for the guns (at least some of the guns with the Assault Weapons Ban which did not pass)

in 2008? (record year cuz Obama was coming) 2012? (Obama reelection means he can do whatever he wants) After Sandy Hook? Sure, after Sandy Hook but emotions were high. I got in a "discussion" with one particular wingnut who couldn't buy his ammo because the gubment was out to get it. "Settle down beavis, as soon as this all dies down everything will be back to normal."

 

[Rayderr]

I believe what is being conveyed is that you characterize all pro-gun people using the most extreme lunatics, but you characterize the anti-gun people by the moderate positions. In English, the way you frame the arguments is so ridiculously biased it is a waste of time to even attempt to engage in anything that even remotely resembles a half-way intelligent discussion with you.

### #### stupid ####### board and it's ####ty posting issues! ####!

ok, now that that's out if the way.

Since you seem to be having such difficulty with that pic let me break it down for you.

For the last 5+ years has the mantra been "Obama is coming for your guns"? Yes. Has that come from Obama/the left or from the right? Hint: link and link During that same span have the manufacturers reaped record profits? Hint: link

People being played.

Well to be fair, the left did try to come for the guns (at least some of the guns with the Assault Weapons Ban which did not pass)

in 2008? (record year cuz Obama was coming) 2012? (Obama reelection means he can do whatever he wants) After Sandy Hook? Sure, after Sandy Hook but emotions were high. I got in a "discussion" with one particular wingnut who couldn't buy his ammo because the gubment was out to get it. "Settle down beavis, as soon as this all dies down everything will be back to normal."

I bolded the keyword for you. "coming." As in, in the future. And while I agree with you that those who thought all guns were going to be banned, the reality is Obama/Dems validated their fears by coming after some of the guns. The years in which the record numbers came is really irrelevant as long as the prophecy of Obama/Dems coming for the guns is true.

 

[ATC1]

I believe what is being conveyed is that you characterize all pro-gun people using the most extreme lunatics, but you characterize the anti-gun people by the moderate positions. In English, the way you frame the arguments is so ridiculously biased it is a waste of time to even attempt to engage in anything that even remotely resembles a half-way intelligent discussion with you.

### #### stupid ####### board and it's ####ty posting issues! ####!

ok, now that that's out if the way.

Since you seem to be having such difficulty with that pic let me break it down for you.

For the last 5+ years has the mantra been "Obama is coming for your guns"? Yes. Has that come from Obama/the left or from the right? Hint: link and link During that same span have the manufacturers reaped record profits? Hint: link

People being played.

Well to be fair, the left did try to come for the guns (at least some of the guns with the Assault Weapons Ban which did not pass)

Had a family member from Connecticut visit us last weekend. He told us that he bought an AR 2 hours before the governor signed a bill outlawing the sale of ARs in the state. He doesn't even own a handgun.

When asked how it shoots, he says he has not shot it yet. We asked if ammo was that hard to find for him. He said no he was able to pick up several boxes and knows to look every time he walks into a store, but has not shot it yet.