Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[BustedKnuckles]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

How far away from the fight was he? I remember in the interview he said it was dark out because of no moon and the rain. I got the impression he wouldn't have been able to make out what people were wearing.

20 to 25 yards away and it was dark

 

[timschochet]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

I dunno. The kid said he wants Zimmerman arrested. The kid doesn't buy the self'defense story. The kid says he thinks it was Martin screaming, but it was too dark to see. (If it was too dark to see, how would he possibly know what color shirt the person was wearing??) Something doesn't add up here. If I had to guess, it would be that what was linked before was reporters who were leaked the police interview with the kid. I don't think this witness corroborates Zimmerman's story in any way. Per the Huff Post piece, neither does the other witness. I think we may have been fed a lot of bull here as a means to protect the police department, which pretty clearly screwed up here...

 

[Christo]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

I dunno. The kid said he wants Zimmerman arrested. The kid doesn't buy the self'defense story. The kid says he thinks it was Martin screaming, but it was too dark to see. (If it was too dark to see, how would he possibly know what color shirt the person was wearing??) Something doesn't add up here. If I had to guess, it would be that what was linked before was reporters who were leaked the police interview with the kid. I don't think this witness corroborates Zimmerman's story in any way. Per the Huff Post piece, neither does the other witness. I think we may have been fed a lot of bull here as a means to protect the police department, which pretty clearly screwed up here...

You mean that he really isn't sure what he saw or heard but he's getting a ton of pressure from everyone including his mother to be the one who sinks Zimmerman's story?And quit with this #### that what I saw was a story that was leaked to reporters. It was a video I saw him with my own eyes.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

chris`to`s right, the kid said the guy on the ground had a red shirt, but he also said he thought it was martin who was yelling help. It`s crazy that the only 2 witnesses who saw the altercation both looked away when the gun was fired ...what are the odds

 

[pantherclub]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

As I stated many times, the lead investigator appears very biased. I think it is inappropriate for an investigator to make such statements. He is playing judge and juror. He should be gathering facts and keeping his opinions to himself.

ummmmm.........

 

[timschochet]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

I dunno. The kid said he wants Zimmerman arrested. The kid doesn't buy the self'defense story. The kid says he thinks it was Martin screaming, but it was too dark to see. (If it was too dark to see, how would he possibly know what color shirt the person was wearing??) Something doesn't add up here. If I had to guess, it would be that what was linked before was reporters who were leaked the police interview with the kid. I don't think this witness corroborates Zimmerman's story in any way. Per the Huff Post piece, neither does the other witness. I think we may have been fed a lot of bull here as a means to protect the police department, which pretty clearly screwed up here...

You mean that he really isn't sure what he saw or heard but he's getting a ton of pressure from everyone including his mother to be the one who sinks Zimmerman's story?

That's possible I suppose. That's one way of looking at it. Not sure why you would deliberately go there. Let's forget everything else. The key part of this kid's testimony is that he saw someone on the ground screaming. If that person was Zimmerman, then it corroborates Zimmerman's story and pretty much makes it impossible to convict Zimmmerman. And the key to that is supposedly the kid said the person on the ground was wearing a red shirt. But if it was too dark to see, I don't think that this statement can possibly have any validity. Therefore, the kid's testimony is worthless and in no way corroborates Zimmerman.

At least that's my reading of it.

 

[timschochet]

Sorry Christo, I hadn't realized you saw it yourself.

OK, so with regard to the red shirt, we have two possibilities:

1. The kid saw a red shirt, told the police and reporters he saw a red shirt, and has now been pressured by his mom and others to change his story.

2. The kid wasn't sure what he saw because it was too dark, but was convinced by the police that he saw a red shirt, and, once having agreed to this, told the reporters the same. But now he realizes that the police manipulated him and he's back to his original stance, that he couldn't tell one way or another.

Who the heck knows? But I'm skeptical of #1, only for the reason that it was too dark to see.

 

[Christo]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

I dunno. The kid said he wants Zimmerman arrested. The kid doesn't buy the self'defense story. The kid says he thinks it was Martin screaming, but it was too dark to see. (If it was too dark to see, how would he possibly know what color shirt the person was wearing??) Something doesn't add up here. If I had to guess, it would be that what was linked before was reporters who were leaked the police interview with the kid. I don't think this witness corroborates Zimmerman's story in any way. Per the Huff Post piece, neither does the other witness. I think we may have been fed a lot of bull here as a means to protect the police department, which pretty clearly screwed up here...

You mean that he really isn't sure what he saw or heard but he's getting a ton of pressure from everyone including his mother to be the one who sinks Zimmerman's story?

That's possible I suppose. That's one way of looking at it. Not sure why you would deliberately go there. Let's forget everything else. The key part of this kid's testimony is that he saw someone on the ground screaming. If that person was Zimmerman, then it corroborates Zimmerman's story and pretty much makes it impossible to convict Zimmmerman. And the key to that is supposedly the kid said the person on the ground was wearing a red shirt. But if it was too dark to see, I don't think that this statement can possibly have any validity. Therefore, the kid's testimony is worthless and in no way corroborates Zimmerman.

At least that's my reading of it.

Because his mother has been out in front of this mischaracterizing what he said for about a week.

 

[FavreCo]

It appears some looters have decide that this is moving too slowly and went nuts in a store in Miami after the T. Martin rally, according to CNN.

 

[identikit]

This seems pretty informative:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/justice/florida-teen-shooting-witnesses/index.html

 

[timschochet]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

I dunno. The kid said he wants Zimmerman arrested. The kid doesn't buy the self'defense story. The kid says he thinks it was Martin screaming, but it was too dark to see. (If it was too dark to see, how would he possibly know what color shirt the person was wearing??) Something doesn't add up here. If I had to guess, it would be that what was linked before was reporters who were leaked the police interview with the kid. I don't think this witness corroborates Zimmerman's story in any way. Per the Huff Post piece, neither does the other witness. I think we may have been fed a lot of bull here as a means to protect the police department, which pretty clearly screwed up here...

You mean that he really isn't sure what he saw or heard but he's getting a ton of pressure from everyone including his mother to be the one who sinks Zimmerman's story?

That's possible I suppose. That's one way of looking at it. Not sure why you would deliberately go there. Let's forget everything else. The key part of this kid's testimony is that he saw someone on the ground screaming. If that person was Zimmerman, then it corroborates Zimmerman's story and pretty much makes it impossible to convict Zimmmerman. And the key to that is supposedly the kid said the person on the ground was wearing a red shirt. But if it was too dark to see, I don't think that this statement can possibly have any validity. Therefore, the kid's testimony is worthless and in no way corroborates Zimmerman.

At least that's my reading of it.

Because his mother has been out in front of this mischaracterizing what he said for about a week.

Unless she isn't. You don't know, and neither do I.

 

[Novice2]

It appears some looters have decide that this is moving too slowly and went nuts in a store in Miami after the T. Martin rally, according to CNN.

Well of course Zimmerman must be put away now for the greater good.

 

[Christo]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

I dunno. The kid said he wants Zimmerman arrested. The kid doesn't buy the self'defense story. The kid says he thinks it was Martin screaming, but it was too dark to see. (If it was too dark to see, how would he possibly know what color shirt the person was wearing??) Something doesn't add up here. If I had to guess, it would be that what was linked before was reporters who were leaked the police interview with the kid. I don't think this witness corroborates Zimmerman's story in any way. Per the Huff Post piece, neither does the other witness. I think we may have been fed a lot of bull here as a means to protect the police department, which pretty clearly screwed up here...

You mean that he really isn't sure what he saw or heard but he's getting a ton of pressure from everyone including his mother to be the one who sinks Zimmerman's story?

That's possible I suppose. That's one way of looking at it. Not sure why you would deliberately go there. Let's forget everything else. The key part of this kid's testimony is that he saw someone on the ground screaming. If that person was Zimmerman, then it corroborates Zimmerman's story and pretty much makes it impossible to convict Zimmmerman. And the key to that is supposedly the kid said the person on the ground was wearing a red shirt. But if it was too dark to see, I don't think that this statement can possibly have any validity. Therefore, the kid's testimony is worthless and in no way corroborates Zimmerman.

At least that's my reading of it.

Because his mother has been out in front of this mischaracterizing what he said for about a week.

Unless she isn't. You don't know, and neither do I.

What part of this don't you get? He's given two interviews and in neither one did he say that it was clearly Martin who was yelling.

 

[timschochet]

The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.

The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".

The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.

I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.

Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?

It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.

I dunno. The kid said he wants Zimmerman arrested. The kid doesn't buy the self'defense story. The kid says he thinks it was Martin screaming, but it was too dark to see. (If it was too dark to see, how would he possibly know what color shirt the person was wearing??) Something doesn't add up here. If I had to guess, it would be that what was linked before was reporters who were leaked the police interview with the kid. I don't think this witness corroborates Zimmerman's story in any way. Per the Huff Post piece, neither does the other witness. I think we may have been fed a lot of bull here as a means to protect the police department, which pretty clearly screwed up here...

You mean that he really isn't sure what he saw or heard but he's getting a ton of pressure from everyone including his mother to be the one who sinks Zimmerman's story?

That's possible I suppose. That's one way of looking at it. Not sure why you would deliberately go there. Let's forget everything else. The key part of this kid's testimony is that he saw someone on the ground screaming. If that person was Zimmerman, then it corroborates Zimmerman's story and pretty much makes it impossible to convict Zimmmerman. And the key to that is supposedly the kid said the person on the ground was wearing a red shirt. But if it was too dark to see, I don't think that this statement can possibly have any validity. Therefore, the kid's testimony is worthless and in no way corroborates Zimmerman.

At least that's my reading of it.

Because his mother has been out in front of this mischaracterizing what he said for about a week.

Unless she isn't. You don't know, and neither do I.

What part of this don't you get? He's given two interviews and in neither one did he say that it was clearly Martin who was yelling.

That's not my point. His testimony has been used by Zimmerman's defenders to prove that Zimmerman was on the ground. I think that this is a mischaracterization. I don't think his testimony, as best we understand it, exonerates Zimmerman. And that is the claim that some are making.

 

[timschochet]

I'm watching videotape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station on the night of the shooting. No broken nose that I can see. No bruises or blood at the back of the head, either.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I'm watching videotape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station on the night of the shooting. No broken nose that I can see. No bruises or blood at the back of the head, either.

Not sure why they did not call you sooner. This would have been wrapped up weeks ago.

 

[identikit]

I'm watching videotape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station on the night of the shooting. No broken nose that I can see. No bruises or blood at the back of the head, either.

Not sure why they did not call you sooner. This would have been wrapped up weeks ago.

That definitely settles that issue.

 

[timschochet]

I'm watching videotape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station on the night of the shooting. No broken nose that I can see. No bruises or blood at the back of the head, either.

Not sure why they did not call you sooner. This would have been wrapped up weeks ago.

Dude. make fun of me all you want. I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just watching this on TV.

 

[identikit]

I'm watching videotape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station on the night of the shooting. No broken nose that I can see. No bruises or blood at the back of the head, either.

Not sure why they did not call you sooner. This would have been wrapped up weeks ago.

Dude. make fun of me all you want. I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just watching this on TV.

Medical diagnoses via your TV.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm watching videotape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station on the night of the shooting. No broken nose that I can see. No bruises or blood at the back of the head, either.

i wonder if there is a link, id love to see that

 

[timschochet]

I'm watching videotape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station on the night of the shooting. No broken nose that I can see. No bruises or blood at the back of the head, either.

Not sure why they did not call you sooner. This would have been wrapped up weeks ago.

Dude. make fun of me all you want. I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just watching this on TV.

Medical diagnoses via your TV.

Just saying that I thought he would have looked more beat up if his story was true, that's all. In the grand scheme of things, means nothing. Since I started following this story, I've believed two things:1. Zimmerman is a liar and guilty of murder or manslaughter.2. There's no way to prove it that would hold up against a reasonable doubt defense.Those have been my suppositions all along, and I have heard nothing that changes them- yet.

 

[Christo]

That's not my point. His testimony has been used by Zimmerman's defenders to prove that Zimmerman was on the ground. I think that this is a mischaracterization. I don't think his testimony, as best we understand it, exonerates Zimmerman. And that is the claim that some are making.

I dare you to point to one person who has said this kid's testimony exonerates Zimmerman.

 

[identikit]

I'm watching videotape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station on the night of the shooting. No broken nose that I can see. No bruises or blood at the back of the head, either.

Not sure why they did not call you sooner. This would have been wrapped up weeks ago.

Dude. make fun of me all you want. I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just watching this on TV.

Medical diagnoses via your TV.

Just saying that I thought he would have looked more beat up if his story was true, that's all. In the grand scheme of things, means nothing. Since I started following this story, I've believed two things:1. Zimmerman is a liar and guilty of murder or manslaughter.

2. There's no way to prove it that would hold up against a reasonable doubt defense.

Those have been my suppositions all along, and I have heard nothing that changes them- yet.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/03/28/4e/60/Zimmerman_PD_4_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

 

[timschochet]

That's not my point. His testimony has been used by Zimmerman's defenders to prove that Zimmerman was on the ground. I think that this is a mischaracterization. I don't think his testimony, as best we understand it, exonerates Zimmerman. And that is the claim that some are making.

I dare you to point to one person who has said this kid's testimony exonerates Zimmerman.

Boneyard Dog.

 

[HellToupee]

Gonna need to see pics of Olivia before I weigh in.

I like your line of thinking

 

[cstu]

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/03/28/4e/60/Zimmerman_PD_4_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

He's not the fat slob I expected either.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I don't think I've read the last 500 posts or so. Any forensics updates? Any new news? I saw the police chief said he didn't buy Zimmerman's story or whatever.

The Detective who questioned him at the station didn't believe Zimmerman's story, and wanted to charge him, but the DA wouldn't let him. This is the same DA that was involved in a cover up involving the previous Police Chiefs son, where the son beat up a homeless black man. Son was never charged until a video of the assault went viral.

This is a lie...

Which part is a lie?

 

[timschochet]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

He's not the fat slob I expected either.

His supposed "close friend" (more like distant acquaintance) Joe Oliver said last night that Zimmerman only weighed 170. Watching that tape, I believe it.

 

[Christo]

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/03/28/4e/60/Zimmerman_PD_4_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

 

[SacramentoBob]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

He's not the fat slob I expected either.

His supposed "close friend" (more like distant acquaintance) Joe Oliver said last night that Zimmerman only weighed 170. Watching that tape, I believe it.

So he's not a lumbering fat guy that can't chase after Martin anymore?

 

[timschochet]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/03/28/4e/60/Zimmerman_PD_4_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

Nice try councilor

 

[cstu]

Sorry Christo, I hadn't realized you saw it yourself. OK, so with regard to the red shirt, we have two possibilities:1. The kid saw a red shirt, told the police and reporters he saw a red shirt, and has now been pressured by his mom and others to change his story.2. The kid wasn't sure what he saw because it was too dark, but was convinced by the police that he saw a red shirt, and, once having agreed to this, told the reporters the same. But now he realizes that the police manipulated him and he's back to his original stance, that he couldn't tell one way or another.Who the heck knows? But I'm skeptical of #1, only for the reason that it was too dark to see.

I'm skeptical of it all because there's too much pressure on the kid, who is black, to side with Trayvon. It doesn't seem like he knows who was actually screaming (although he did use the word 'man') and having any doubt is going to make him lean to Trayvon.

 

[identikit]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

OK doc.

 

[timschochet]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

OK doc.

You watch it then.

 

[Christo]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

He was treated at the scene.

 

[identikit]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

He was treated at the scene.

Yep.

 

[Christo]

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/03/28/4e/60/Zimmerman_PD_4_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

Nice try councilor

 

[timschochet]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

He was treated at the scene.

Yep.

Link?

 

[Fennis]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

He was treated at the scene.

They also send him to the laundromat?

 

[timschochet]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

He was treated at the scene.

They also send him to the laundromat?

 

[cstu]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

He's not the fat slob I expected either.

His supposed "close friend" (more like distant acquaintance) Joe Oliver said last night that Zimmerman only weighed 170. Watching that tape, I believe it.

So he's not a lumbering fat guy that can't chase after Martin anymore?

I suggest he starts eating a couple dozen donuts a day between now and the trial. He goes into court looking all fit no one is going to believe that he needed to shoot Trayvon to protect himself.

 

[identikit]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

He was treated at the scene.

Yep.

Link?

Been posted in this thread numerous times.You either have an inability to retain information or you like to selectively ignore what doesn't fit your worldview.

 

[Christo]

Sorry Christo, I hadn't realized you saw it yourself. OK, so with regard to the red shirt, we have two possibilities:1. The kid saw a red shirt, told the police and reporters he saw a red shirt, and has now been pressured by his mom and others to change his story.2. The kid wasn't sure what he saw because it was too dark, but was convinced by the police that he saw a red shirt, and, once having agreed to this, told the reporters the same. But now he realizes that the police manipulated him and he's back to his original stance, that he couldn't tell one way or another.Who the heck knows? But I'm skeptical of #1, only for the reason that it was too dark to see.

I'm skeptical of it all because there's too much pressure on the kid, who is black, to side with Trayvon. It doesn't seem like he knows who was actually screaming (although he did use the word 'man') and having any doubt is going to make him lean to Trayvon.

Martin was 17. Would his voice have changed in the next year? In one year he would have been a "man" as well. I'm just not buying this crap about man v child and that all of these witnesses are so sure of themselves that they could distinguish a 17 year old's voice from a 26 year old's voice. Are we forgetting Zimmerman's voice on the phone call to the police? It wasn't like James Earl Jones was making the call.

 

[timschochet]

Come on you guys. Why can't you just admit it? This guy's story is total BS. Yes, it's still going to be extremely difficult to convict him, but it's obvious he's lying.

 

[Christo]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

He was treated at the scene.

They also send him to the laundromat?

No, but they might have cleaned off his face.

 

[timschochet]

http://media.cmgdigi...54b2855e904d640

Holy crap....not one drop of blood. Anywhere. Hes wearing a grey t shirt that could easily be have mistaken as a white t shirt . That unzipped red jacket comes off at anytime during the struggle then its a t shirt that women saw , not a grey hoodie.

1) It is a red jacket. Not sure blood would exactly stand out.2) You would have to ignore John's statement that the guy on the bottom was wearing red.

John! Forgot about John!They've shown that video about 20 times in the last half hour. There's no blood. There's no injury at all.

He was treated at the scene.

Yep.

Link?

Been posted in this thread numerous times.You either have an inability to retain information or you like to selectively ignore what doesn't fit your worldview.

When has it been posted in this thread that he was treated at the scene? According to who?

 

[cstu]

Come on you guys. Why can't you just admit it? This guy's story is total BS. Yes, it's still going to be extremely difficult to convict him, but it's obvious he's lying.

Do you have a link to Zimmerman's police statement?

 

[Christo]

Come on you guys. Why can't you just admit it? This guy's story is total BS. Yes, it's still going to be extremely difficult to convict him, but it's obvious he's lying.

You sure about that?