Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (3 Viewers)

[jafo]

CNN showing the video of Zimmerman at the Police Station and enhancing an image of the back of his head. Seems to show an injury. Eye witness saying "Zimmerman looked beat up".I don't think some people understand that receiving medical attention can help your appearance.

Everyone has already rushed to judgement how dare you introduce facts into this.

 

[identikit]

The idea that anyone would be sure of anything right now seems rather silly.

Joe Scarborough seems rather sure that you're stupid for suggesting that:""It has been very regrettable, shameful in some cases, for some who have decided that they're going to step out and try to blame this tragedy on a young African-American man who weighed a hundred pounds less -- weighing a hundred pounds less than the man who was chasing him through the streets with the 9millimeter gun while Trayvon Martin was carrying iced tea and Skittles," Joe Scarborough said on Thursday's broadcast of "Morning Joe."

"I would just suggest to those who continue to adopt this twisted line for whatever reason you will look foolish in the end, or worse," he warned.

"Do not defend, you know -- you defend who you want to defend, but if you're attacking a young man who was minding his own business carrying Skittles and iced tea through a neighborhood trying to get home and yet he was chased through a neighborhood when the authorities were telling Zimmerman to get out of the way, a man with a 9 millimeter gun. It is -- your defense of the guy with a 9 millimeter gun and your attempts to try to turn the victim in this case, the clear victim in this case, into the aggressor is nothing short of shameful. You look stupid or worse," Scarborough said.

http://www.realclear...in_the_end.html

Of course, when that young lady was found dead in Joe's office, Joe didn't seem to want people jumping to conclusions then.

Interesting.

 

[Carver]

CNN showing the video of Zimmerman at the Police Station and enhancing an image of the back of his head. Seems to show an injury. Eye witness saying "Zimmerman looked beat up".

I don't think some people understand that receiving medical attention can help your appearance.

It's obvious you are sticking up for your kind.... TUCO.

 

[identikit]

CNN showing the video of Zimmerman at the Police Station and enhancing an image of the back of his head. Seems to show an injury. Eye witness saying "Zimmerman looked beat up".

I don't think some people understand that receiving medical attention can help your appearance.

It's obvious you are sticking up for your kind.... TUCO.

 

[mad sweeney]

I also sense that there's a lot of people choosing to defend Zimmerman here for certain reasons unrelated to the specifics of the case:

1. They don't like the "mob mentality" in these situations (FWIW, I don't like it either.)

2. They despise the way so-called "Black leaders" like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson take advantage of these racially charged situations for their own benefit.

3. They don't agree with the liberal notion that we live in a racist country, and that stories like this tend to help liberals and attack conservatism in some general manner.

4. They don't like the anti-gun sentiment which is a definite undertone to much of the national discussion.

5. They don't like the way that the media twists facts without giving each individual their due, and always shouts racism at the drop of a hat, much as they did in the Duke LaCrosse case.

Not that I agree with all of these positions, but I think they all have reasonable validity as a point for further discussion, and I can understand why some of them or all of them tend to anger many conservatives and make them want for Zimmerman to be innocent. Likewise I can also understand the sentiment on the part of many progressives and especially African-Americans, who view this story within the prism of the continuing poor treatment of blacks by legal authorities, who want Zimmerman to be guilty. Both sides are understandable. But that doesn't make either side right.

The only thing that should matter to THIS case is whether or not Zimmerman committed a crime. That's all. The rest of it is important and good for discussion, but it shouldn't frame one's judgment. Sadly, too often it does.

Tim, I did not mean to piss you off or pifeon hole you, but the reason this post did not generate discussion is your premise that those who defend Zimmerman from being lynched is they are motivated by something other than the truth or the upholding the law in a fair manner. People's biases may give them a different perspective on points and how they weigh them, but I don't think it is fair to say they hold those values as more important than the truth.

Says the guy who dismisses the 13 year old kid's and otherr witnesses' (note Hustler, that there is an apostrophe here to show possession) statements simply because they're black and therefore bias (btw, it's biased, not bias as you constantly write). Jesus Herbert Humphries Christ you're a typing hypocritical dynamo-mess jonnay.

Two idiots laughing at something I have never commented on. You idiots just make crap up every thread. Pathetic really.

So you didn't dismiss at least two black folks' descriptions of the scene because they were bias(ed)? Interesting.

I have yet to comment on any of the witnesses

So which black people was it that you said were unreliable because they were bias(ed)?

 

[parasaurolophus]

CNN showing the video of Zimmerman at the Police Station and enhancing an image of the back of his head. Seems to show an injury. Eye witness saying "Zimmerman looked beat up".I don't think some people understand that receiving medical attention can help your appearance.

Nor was it ever said that he had a fractured skull and that his nose was hanging on by a thread. You don't have to get beaten to a bloody pulp to fear for your safety. I have found this case fascinating so far. Not the case itself so much, but the reactions and conclusions of people regarding it. I think that people that believe Zimmerman is a murderer are incapable of having their mind changed no matter what evidence comes out. I think they will simply dismiss everything from here on out. Case closed.I think the people that believe Zimmerman is completely innocent of any wrongdoing are also incapable of changing their minds here. I truly don't see how any logical person could be in either of those camps right now based on the ridiculous amount of poor information that has been released regarding this case.

 

[mad sweeney]

Neither of their histories matter.

Of course their histories matter. In this case, the history of neither of them provides any definitive indication of capacity though, at least IMHO.Zimmerman was a hot head according to his history, capable of an irrational act in the heat of the moment. Trayvon was not a perfectly innocent kid who'd "never been in any trouble", as was first reported. The idea that he couldn't possibly have initiated the physical part of a conflict is ridiculous.

Neither of their histories matter.

Legally? If you say so (though that makes it still 50/50). But I've never been talking legally.

 

[SacramentoBob]

How are the Zimmerman defenders explaining the fact he looks fine in the police survailence video after allegedly having his head bashed in and a bloody nose?

He's Wolverine.

I was gonna say Mr. Fantastic.

 

[jon_mx]

It is a shame this Treyvan kid only weighed 70 lbs.

 

[mad sweeney]

I also sense that there's a lot of people choosing to defend Zimmerman here for certain reasons unrelated to the specifics of the case:

1. They don't like the "mob mentality" in these situations (FWIW, I don't like it either.)

2. They despise the way so-called "Black leaders" like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson take advantage of these racially charged situations for their own benefit.

3. They don't agree with the liberal notion that we live in a racist country, and that stories like this tend to help liberals and attack conservatism in some general manner.

4. They don't like the anti-gun sentiment which is a definite undertone to much of the national discussion.

5. They don't like the way that the media twists facts without giving each individual their due, and always shouts racism at the drop of a hat, much as they did in the Duke LaCrosse case.

Not that I agree with all of these positions, but I think they all have reasonable validity as a point for further discussion, and I can understand why some of them or all of them tend to anger many conservatives and make them want for Zimmerman to be innocent. Likewise I can also understand the sentiment on the part of many progressives and especially African-Americans, who view this story within the prism of the continuing poor treatment of blacks by legal authorities, who want Zimmerman to be guilty. Both sides are understandable. But that doesn't make either side right.

The only thing that should matter to THIS case is whether or not Zimmerman committed a crime. That's all. The rest of it is important and good for discussion, but it shouldn't frame one's judgment. Sadly, too often it does.

Tim, I did not mean to piss you off or pifeon hole you, but the reason this post did not generate discussion is your premise that those who defend Zimmerman from being lynched is they are motivated by something other than the truth or the upholding the law in a fair manner. People's biases may give them a different perspective on points and how they weigh them, but I don't think it is fair to say they hold those values as more important than the truth.

Says the guy who dismisses the 13 year old kid's and otherr witnesses' (note Hustler, that there is an apostrophe here to show possession) statements simply because they're black and therefore bias (btw, it's biased, not bias as you constantly write). Jesus Herbert Humphries Christ you're a typing hypocritical dynamo-mess jonnay.

Two idiots laughing at something I have never commented on. You idiots just make crap up every thread. Pathetic really.

So you didn't dismiss at least two black folks' descriptions of the scene because they were bias(ed)? Interesting.

So you admit you just make up crap with no idea what you are talking about....it is about time.

No, unlike you I admit it if I'm wrong. How was I wrong? Who exactly were the people you outright dismissed simply because they were black?

 

[jon_mx]

I also sense that there's a lot of people choosing to defend Zimmerman here for certain reasons unrelated to the specifics of the case:

1. They don't like the "mob mentality" in these situations (FWIW, I don't like it either.)

2. They despise the way so-called "Black leaders" like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson take advantage of these racially charged situations for their own benefit.

3. They don't agree with the liberal notion that we live in a racist country, and that stories like this tend to help liberals and attack conservatism in some general manner.

4. They don't like the anti-gun sentiment which is a definite undertone to much of the national discussion.

5. They don't like the way that the media twists facts without giving each individual their due, and always shouts racism at the drop of a hat, much as they did in the Duke LaCrosse case.

Not that I agree with all of these positions, but I think they all have reasonable validity as a point for further discussion, and I can understand why some of them or all of them tend to anger many conservatives and make them want for Zimmerman to be innocent. Likewise I can also understand the sentiment on the part of many progressives and especially African-Americans, who view this story within the prism of the continuing poor treatment of blacks by legal authorities, who want Zimmerman to be guilty. Both sides are understandable. But that doesn't make either side right.

The only thing that should matter to THIS case is whether or not Zimmerman committed a crime. That's all. The rest of it is important and good for discussion, but it shouldn't frame one's judgment. Sadly, too often it does.

Tim, I did not mean to piss you off or pifeon hole you, but the reason this post did not generate discussion is your premise that those who defend Zimmerman from being lynched is they are motivated by something other than the truth or the upholding the law in a fair manner. People's biases may give them a different perspective on points and how they weigh them, but I don't think it is fair to say they hold those values as more important than the truth.

Says the guy who dismisses the 13 year old kid's and otherr witnesses' (note Hustler, that there is an apostrophe here to show possession) statements simply because they're black and therefore bias (btw, it's biased, not bias as you constantly write). Jesus Herbert Humphries Christ you're a typing hypocritical dynamo-mess jonnay.

Two idiots laughing at something I have never commented on. You idiots just make crap up every thread. Pathetic really.

So you didn't dismiss at least two black folks' descriptions of the scene because they were bias(ed)? Interesting.

I have yet to comment on any of the witnesses

So which black people was it that you said were unreliable because they were bias(ed)?

You are the one making up the bull#### claims, so you better tell me.

 

[jon_mx]

I also sense that there's a lot of people choosing to defend Zimmerman here for certain reasons unrelated to the specifics of the case:

1. They don't like the "mob mentality" in these situations (FWIW, I don't like it either.)

2. They despise the way so-called "Black leaders" like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson take advantage of these racially charged situations for their own benefit.

3. They don't agree with the liberal notion that we live in a racist country, and that stories like this tend to help liberals and attack conservatism in some general manner.

4. They don't like the anti-gun sentiment which is a definite undertone to much of the national discussion.

5. They don't like the way that the media twists facts without giving each individual their due, and always shouts racism at the drop of a hat, much as they did in the Duke LaCrosse case.

Not that I agree with all of these positions, but I think they all have reasonable validity as a point for further discussion, and I can understand why some of them or all of them tend to anger many conservatives and make them want for Zimmerman to be innocent. Likewise I can also understand the sentiment on the part of many progressives and especially African-Americans, who view this story within the prism of the continuing poor treatment of blacks by legal authorities, who want Zimmerman to be guilty. Both sides are understandable. But that doesn't make either side right.

The only thing that should matter to THIS case is whether or not Zimmerman committed a crime. That's all. The rest of it is important and good for discussion, but it shouldn't frame one's judgment. Sadly, too often it does.

Tim, I did not mean to piss you off or pifeon hole you, but the reason this post did not generate discussion is your premise that those who defend Zimmerman from being lynched is they are motivated by something other than the truth or the upholding the law in a fair manner. People's biases may give them a different perspective on points and how they weigh them, but I don't think it is fair to say they hold those values as more important than the truth.

Says the guy who dismisses the 13 year old kid's and otherr witnesses' (note Hustler, that there is an apostrophe here to show possession) statements simply because they're black and therefore bias (btw, it's biased, not bias as you constantly write). Jesus Herbert Humphries Christ you're a typing hypocritical dynamo-mess jonnay.

Two idiots laughing at something I have never commented on. You idiots just make crap up every thread. Pathetic really.

So you didn't dismiss at least two black folks' descriptions of the scene because they were bias(ed)? Interesting.

So you admit you just make up crap with no idea what you are talking about....it is about time.

No, unlike you I admit it if I'm wrong. How was I wrong? Who exactly were the people you outright dismissed simply because they were black?

You should really drop it, you lying sack of ####. You make the false accusation, back it up.

 

[mad sweeney]

1. No matter what, Zimmerman's history matters.

2. Martin's history does not matter, unless you can prove that (a) Martin violently attacked Zimmerman as Zimmerman is claiming and (b) there are elements in Martin's history which are suggestive of this sort of violence.

So far, I don't think there's any evidence which proves 2 (a), though others disagree with me. There is certainly no evidence which proves 2 (b). And not only that, the "evidence" which HAS been produced is a slimy attack on the character of this kid- and yes it has racial overtones as well. It plays into the stereotype of the dangerous, gangsta black youth which people like Zimmerman (and presumably the rest of us) should be afraid of.

You're using a double standard here. Defacing school property, drug paraphenalia, highly suggestive evidance of theivery...these things suggest this kid was capable of commiting crimes....including attacking Zimmerman first. At best...their histories are a wash.

Oh bull####. Nothing there suggests violent behavior in the least. Most absurd statement you've made.

Have you followed this whole thread? This guy's made a bunch. I think one even made it into a sig.

Well hell, if it's in a sig, it must be real!Renesauz said there was anecdotal evidence that he was violent. I said I missed it and asked for further explanation. This was his response to it. I've followed the thread and dont' think much, especially not what renesauz presents here that I'm questioning, proves that Martin is violent at all, much less have as much violence are some making him out to be based on non-violent izsues.

 

[mad sweeney]

CNN showing the video of Zimmerman at the Police Station and enhancing an image of the back of his head. Seems to show an injury. Eye witness saying "Zimmerman looked beat up".I don't think some people understand that receiving medical attention can help your appearance.

Everyone has already rushed to judgement how dare you introduce facts into this.

What facts do "seem" and "looked like" present?

 

[TexanFan02]

I also sense that there's a lot of people choosing to defend Zimmerman here for certain reasons unrelated to the specifics of the case:

1. They don't like the "mob mentality" in these situations (FWIW, I don't like it either.)

2. They despise the way so-called "Black leaders" like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson take advantage of these racially charged situations for their own benefit.

3. They don't agree with the liberal notion that we live in a racist country, and that stories like this tend to help liberals and attack conservatism in some general manner.

4. They don't like the anti-gun sentiment which is a definite undertone to much of the national discussion.

5. They don't like the way that the media twists facts without giving each individual their due, and always shouts racism at the drop of a hat, much as they did in the Duke LaCrosse case.

Not that I agree with all of these positions, but I think they all have reasonable validity as a point for further discussion, and I can understand why some of them or all of them tend to anger many conservatives and make them want for Zimmerman to be innocent. Likewise I can also understand the sentiment on the part of many progressives and especially African-Americans, who view this story within the prism of the continuing poor treatment of blacks by legal authorities, who want Zimmerman to be guilty. Both sides are understandable. But that doesn't make either side right.

The only thing that should matter to THIS case is whether or not Zimmerman committed a crime. That's all. The rest of it is important and good for discussion, but it shouldn't frame one's judgment. Sadly, too often it does.

Tim, I did not mean to piss you off or pifeon hole you, but the reason this post did not generate discussion is your premise that those who defend Zimmerman from being lynched is they are motivated by something other than the truth or the upholding the law in a fair manner. People's biases may give them a different perspective on points and how they weigh them, but I don't think it is fair to say they hold those values as more important than the truth.

Says the guy who dismisses the 13 year old kid's and otherr witnesses' (note Hustler, that there is an apostrophe here to show possession) statements simply because they're black and therefore bias (btw, it's biased, not bias as you constantly write). Jesus Herbert Humphries Christ you're a typing hypocritical dynamo-mess jonnay.

Two idiots laughing at something I have never commented on. You idiots just make crap up every thread. Pathetic really.

So you didn't dismiss at least two black folks' descriptions of the scene because they were bias(ed)? Interesting.

So you admit you just make up crap with no idea what you are talking about....it is about time.

No, unlike you I admit it if I'm wrong. How was I wrong? Who exactly were the people you outright dismissed simply because they were black?

You should really drop it, you lying sack of ####. You make the false accusation, back it up.

Don't get this thread locked, guys.

 

[mad sweeney]

I also sense that there's a lot of people choosing to defend Zimmerman here for certain reasons unrelated to the specifics of the case:

1. They don't like the "mob mentality" in these situations (FWIW, I don't like it either.)

2. They despise the way so-called "Black leaders" like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson take advantage of these racially charged situations for their own benefit.

3. They don't agree with the liberal notion that we live in a racist country, and that stories like this tend to help liberals and attack conservatism in some general manner.

4. They don't like the anti-gun sentiment which is a definite undertone to much of the national discussion.

5. They don't like the way that the media twists facts without giving each individual their due, and always shouts racism at the drop of a hat, much as they did in the Duke LaCrosse case.

Not that I agree with all of these positions, but I think they all have reasonable validity as a point for further discussion, and I can understand why some of them or all of them tend to anger many conservatives and make them want for Zimmerman to be innocent. Likewise I can also understand the sentiment on the part of many progressives and especially African-Americans, who view this story within the prism of the continuing poor treatment of blacks by legal authorities, who want Zimmerman to be guilty. Both sides are understandable. But that doesn't make either side right.

The only thing that should matter to THIS case is whether or not Zimmerman committed a crime. That's all. The rest of it is important and good for discussion, but it shouldn't frame one's judgment. Sadly, too often it does.

Tim, I did not mean to piss you off or pifeon hole you, but the reason this post did not generate discussion is your premise that those who defend Zimmerman from being lynched is they are motivated by something other than the truth or the upholding the law in a fair manner. People's biases may give them a different perspective on points and how they weigh them, but I don't think it is fair to say they hold those values as more important than the truth.

Says the guy who dismisses the 13 year old kid's and otherr witnesses' (note Hustler, that there is an apostrophe here to show possession) statements simply because they're black and therefore bias (btw, it's biased, not bias as you constantly write). Jesus Herbert Humphries Christ you're a typing hypocritical dynamo-mess jonnay.

Two idiots laughing at something I have never commented on. You idiots just make crap up every thread. Pathetic really.

So you didn't dismiss at least two black folks' descriptions of the scene because they were bias(ed)? Interesting.

I have yet to comment on any of the witnesses

Nice evasion. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about who you dismissed. But are you willing to admit that prior to posting your little tirade against bias, that you dismissed at least 2 people involved in this case because they were biased based on the fact that they were black?

 

[jon_mx]

Somebody makes claims you are a racist out of a 100% false accusation, you call their weasley little butts out on it.

 

[jon_mx]

Nice evasion. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about who you dismissed. But are you willing to admit that prior to posting your little tirade against bias, that you dismissed at least 2 people involved in this case because they were biased based on the fact that they were black?

There was no evasion. The only person I have called into question is the lead investigator based purely on his actions. I have not watched TV, I do not even have an idea if he is black or white. You my friend are completely full of crap as usual.

 

[GDogg]

1. No matter what, Zimmerman's history matters.

2. Martin's history does not matter, unless you can prove that (a) Martin violently attacked Zimmerman as Zimmerman is claiming and (b) there are elements in Martin's history which are suggestive of this sort of violence.

So far, I don't think there's any evidence which proves 2 (a), though others disagree with me. There is certainly no evidence which proves 2 (b). And not only that, the "evidence" which HAS been produced is a slimy attack on the character of this kid- and yes it has racial overtones as well. It plays into the stereotype of the dangerous, gangsta black youth which people like Zimmerman (and presumably the rest of us) should be afraid of.

You're using a double standard here. Defacing school property, drug paraphenalia, highly suggestive evidance of theivery...these things suggest this kid was capable of commiting crimes....including attacking Zimmerman first. At best...their histories are a wash.

Oh bull####. Nothing there suggests violent behavior in the least. Most absurd statement you've made.

Have you followed this whole thread? This guy's made a bunch. I think one even made it into a sig.

Well hell, if it's in a sig, it must be real!Renesauz said there was anecdotal evidence that he was violent. I said I missed it and asked for further explanation. This was his response to it. I've followed the thread and dont' think much, especially not what renesauz presents here that I'm questioning, proves that Martin is violent at all, much less have as much violence are some making him out to be based on non-violent izsues.

I think you missed what he said. Ranethe is saying that "[renesauz has] made a bunch" of absurd statements in this thread and one of them is in a sig (SacramentoBob's).

 

[Parrothead]

CNN showing the video of Zimmerman at the Police Station and enhancing an image of the back of his head. Seems to show an injury. Eye witness saying "Zimmerman looked beat up".I don't think some people understand that receiving medical attention can help your appearance.

Hold on there- I was told that the grainy video was conclusive that the Hispanic dude had no injuries, and looked as though he just had a session at Club Med.. HANG HIM ANYWAY!!! This thread is AWESOME.. See you at page 150!

 

[cstu]

Idiotic fight you guys are into. You have to be pretty naive not to understand there's a ton of pressure on any black people involved with this case to side with Trayvon.

 

[jon_mx]

Nice evasion. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about who you dismissed. But are you willing to admit that prior to posting your little tirade against bias, that you dismissed at least 2 people involved in this case because they were biased based on the fact that they were black?

There was no evasion. The only person I have called into question is the lead investigator based purely on his actions. I have not watched TV, I do not even have an idea if he is black or white. You my friend are completely full of crap as usual.

And the funeral director. Again, based on the fact he is not a doctor and a forensic specialists. I have not seen the man though, and can only guess at his race.

 

[mad sweeney]

Nice evasion. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about who you dismissed. But are you willing to admit that prior to posting your little tirade against bias, that you dismissed at least 2 people involved in this case because they were biased based on the fact that they were black?

There was no evasion. The only person I have called into question is the lead investigator based purely on his actions. I have not watched TV, I do not even have an idea if he is black or white. You my friend are completely full of crap as usual.

So who was it that you dismissed as bias(ed) because they were black?

 

[Tuco]

Idiotic fight you guys are into. You have to be pretty naive not to understand there's a ton of pressure on any black people involved with this case to side with Trayvon.

Yep. Oprah just weighed in. If she still had a show on network television, Trayvon would have the support of most white women in this country too.

 

[jon_mx]

Nice evasion. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about who you dismissed. But are you willing to admit that prior to posting your little tirade against bias, that you dismissed at least 2 people involved in this case because they were biased based on the fact that they were black?

There was no evasion. The only person I have called into question is the lead investigator based purely on his actions. I have not watched TV, I do not even have an idea if he is black or white. You my friend are completely full of crap as usual.

So who was it that you dismissed as bias(ed) because they were black?

Is Tim black? I give up, who?

 

[Clinton]

You have to be pretty naive not to understand there's a ton of pressure on any black people involved with this case to side with Trayvon.

Pressure from CNN (Roland Martin)

 

[Ranethe]

1. No matter what, Zimmerman's history matters.

2. Martin's history does not matter, unless you can prove that (a) Martin violently attacked Zimmerman as Zimmerman is claiming and (b) there are elements in Martin's history which are suggestive of this sort of violence.

So far, I don't think there's any evidence which proves 2 (a), though others disagree with me. There is certainly no evidence which proves 2 (b). And not only that, the "evidence" which HAS been produced is a slimy attack on the character of this kid- and yes it has racial overtones as well. It plays into the stereotype of the dangerous, gangsta black youth which people like Zimmerman (and presumably the rest of us) should be afraid of.

You're using a double standard here. Defacing school property, drug paraphenalia, highly suggestive evidance of theivery...these things suggest this kid was capable of commiting crimes....including attacking Zimmerman first. At best...their histories are a wash.

Oh bull####. Nothing there suggests violent behavior in the least. Most absurd statement you've made.

Have you followed this whole thread? This guy's made a bunch. I think one even made it into a sig.

Well hell, if it's in a sig, it must be real!Renesauz said there was anecdotal evidence that he was violent. I said I missed it and asked for further explanation. This was his response to it. I've followed the thread and dont' think much, especially not what renesauz presents here that I'm questioning, proves that Martin is violent at all, much less have as much violence are some making him out to be based on non-violent izsues.

I think you may have misunderstood my post.

 

[Thunderlips]

A teen boy stupid enough to have drug paraphenalia with him at school?

When I was in high school, I bought drugs off a couple other students many times. I wasn't a thug or a bad kid.

Christ, my entire high school was high every single day, i think some of the teachers were also. We graffitied and vandelized and drank. Just like all normal kids.

Black kids need to be perfect in the eyes of some people.

 

[timschochet]

In retrospect, I've decided I don't have a problem with the parents trademarking Trayvon's name. I was never outraged by it (like Otis apparently was in this thread!) but I thought it was kind of tacky.

But look at it this way- ever since this story exploded, there's a whole bunch of slimy people all over the internet looking to make a quick buck by selling t-shirts, bumper stickers, logos- the family isn't seeing any of that. Why shouldn't they trademark it? If I were their attorney, I would urge them to do it. I would say, "Don't worry about how how you look now; you have a chance to get some money here and you may find it necessary or a great comfort later on. Why should these other people who don't know Trayvon make money off of his and your name?"

So I think what they've done makes a lot of sense.

 

[Tuco]

I just found Al and Jesse's next project when they're done in FL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/south-carolina-teen-brutal-soccer-attack-earns-assault-103322121.html

 

[Yenrub]

Need a link to a pic of the kid's mom.

My link1st pick she is the woman on the left

 

[identikit]

I just found Al and Jesse's next project when they're done in FL.

http://sports.yahoo....-103322121.html

They sure are ambulance chasers.

 

[mad sweeney]

Nice evasion. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about who you dismissed. But are you willing to admit that prior to posting your little tirade against bias, that you dismissed at least 2 people involved in this case because they were biased based on the fact that they were black?

There was no evasion. The only person I have called into question is the lead investigator based purely on his actions. I have not watched TV, I do not even have an idea if he is black or white. You my friend are completely full of crap as usual.

So who was it that you dismissed as bias(ed) because they were black?

Is Tim black? I give up, who?

I'm giving you the chance to tell us before I pull up your quote(s) in the 80s pages.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

 

[Carver]

Nice evasion. I'm willing to admit I was wrong about who you dismissed. But are you willing to admit that prior to posting your little tirade against bias, that you dismissed at least 2 people involved in this case because they were biased based on the fact that they were black?

There was no evasion. The only person I have called into question is the lead investigator based purely on his actions. I have not watched TV, I do not even have an idea if he is black or white. You my friend are completely full of crap as usual.

So who was it that you dismissed as bias(ed) because they were black?

Is Tim black?

From the waist down. :confirmed:

 

[metoo]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

You're wasting your time on this. Martin covered Zimmerman's mouth while punching him and saying "you're going to die tonight". Also Martin was high on marihuana at this time, broke Zimmerman's nose and gashed the back of his head. Martin is a bad man.

 

[cstu]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

- it doesn't support Zimmerman's claim that his head was being slammed into the sidewalkbut...

- it does support the claim that Trayvon wrestled him for the gun.

 

[Chaos Commish]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

The body was outlined, according to one report, legs on the sidewalk, body in the grass.

Everything I found prior to reading that agreed with the bold, but that was just an X between the buildings, west of the sidewalk about ten feet.

Also the tape recording today with an arrow pointing to the spot, pointed straight to the sidewalk.

Not sure how important this is in the end.

 

[moderated]

A 200+ lb 27 year old guy felt his life was endangered by a 140lb unarmed kid. How ridiculous, even if he was getting punched he was never in any danger of being injured badly.

He was a neighborhood watch wanna be cop guy looking for trouble and the opportunity to use his gun.

I hope he ends up 6 feet under.

 

[cstu]

A 200+ lb 27 year old guy felt his life was endangered by a 140lb unarmed kid. How ridiculous, even if he was getting punched he was never in any danger of being injured badly.

He was a neighborhood watch wanna be cop guy looking for trouble and the opportunity to use his gun.

I hope he ends up 6 feet under.

Apparently you've never been in a fight since the adrenaline rush can make a fight seem more dangerous that it really is. If Trayvon tried to get his gun then it certainly does make it a deadly situation.Oh, he will...eventually.

 

[parasaurolophus]

A 200+ lb 27 year old guy felt his life was endangered by a 140lb unarmed kid. How ridiculous, even if he was getting punched he was never in any danger of being injured badly.

He was a neighborhood watch wanna be cop guy looking for trouble and the opportunity to use his gun.

I hope he ends up 6 feet under.

28 year old sub 200 pound man felt threatened by a 6 foot 160 pound 17 year old. Not that it matters to you. You have made up your mind and will likely reply that it still didn't matter.Did you miss the link where I posted how the girl killed somebody with one punch? How bout the other links where other people were killed by a few punches?

It is fine to have the opinion that he shouldn't have been carrying a gun or put himself in that situation or even that you don't believe him at all. It is a whole different story to claim that you think there was no danger using false size statements and then not retract your statement when you learn the true size difference.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can I ask a question? No? I'm gonna ask anyways...

The mugshot of Zimmerman is from that night at the police station, right or wrong?

I just watched an interview with his father who is very blunt and says that Zimmer was attacked, his nose broken, and head pounded into the concrete...let's start with the broken nose. If that is true than why doesn't the mug shot show a visible broken nose, black eyes, face look like he got pummeled in a back alley?

I'm sorry but I am not seeing any of that to corroborate with what his father is telling CNN.

C'mon now, at some point you gotta call a spade a spade. We can have all these pseudo FFA defense lawyers come in and do a good impression of Ironside, Matlock, or Perry Mason and yes I'm aware those guys weren't all defense attorneys but at the end of the day we have a dead 17 year old kid unarmed who allegedly in an instant completely unprovoked went after Zimmer and beat him senseless to the point he felt his life was in grave danger(Is there any other kind?) and pulled his gun and shot the 17 year old dead...

I've heard enough, seen enough, if he's not arrested soon and put to the legal process like everyone else, things are only going to escalate...the needs of the many far outweigh the needs of this man. Enough BS, let's get this public execution started already. I think Zimmer should be put to the guillotine and the family allowed to press the button that drops the blade.

 

[Christo]

Can I ask a question? No? I'm gonna ask anyways...The mugshot of Zimmerman is from that night at the police station, right or wrong?I just watched an interview with his father who is very blunt and says that Zimmer was attacked, his nose broken, and head pounded into the concrete...let's start with the broken nose. If that is true than why doesn't the mug shot show a visible broken nose, black eyes, face look like he got pummeled in a back alley? I'm sorry but I am not seeing any of that to corroborate with what his father is telling CNN. C'mon now, at some point you gotta call a spade a spade. We can have all these pseudo FFA defense lawyers come in and do a good impression of Ironside, Matlock, or Perry Mason and yes I'm aware those guys weren't all defense attorneys but at the end of the day we have a dead 17 year old kid unarmed who allegedly in an instant completely unprovoked went after Zimmer and beat him senseless to the point he felt his life was in grave danger(Is there any other kind?) and pulled his gun and shot the 17 year old dead...I've heard enough, seen enough, if he's not arrested soon and put to the legal process like everyone else, things are only going to escalate...the needs of the many far outweigh the needs of this man. Enough BS, let's get this public execution started already. I think Zimmer should be put to the guillotine and the family allowed to press the button that drops the blade.

 

[The General]

Can I ask a question? No? I'm gonna ask anyways...The mugshot of Zimmerman is from that night at the police station, right or wrong?I just watched an interview with his father who is very blunt and says that Zimmer was attacked, his nose broken, and head pounded into the concrete...let's start with the broken nose. If that is true than why doesn't the mug shot show a visible broken nose, black eyes, face look like he got pummeled in a back alley? I'm sorry but I am not seeing any of that to corroborate with what his father is telling CNN. C'mon now, at some point you gotta call a spade a spade. We can have all these pseudo FFA defense lawyers come in and do a good impression of Ironside, Matlock, or Perry Mason and yes I'm aware those guys weren't all defense attorneys but at the end of the day we have a dead 17 year old kid unarmed who allegedly in an instant completely unprovoked went after Zimmer and beat him senseless to the point he felt his life was in grave danger(Is there any other kind?) and pulled his gun and shot the 17 year old dead...I've heard enough, seen enough, if he's not arrested soon and put to the legal process like everyone else, things are only going to escalate...the needs of the many far outweigh the needs of this man. Enough BS, let's get this public execution started already. I think Zimmer should be put to the guillotine and the family allowed to press the button that drops the blade.

The mugshot they always show can't be from that night - his head is shaved in the video which we all know is from that night and in the mugshot he has hair.

 

[LTsharks]

interesting post on the case. please read.

great link

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can I ask a question? No? I'm gonna ask anyways...The mugshot of Zimmerman is from that night at the police station, right or wrong?I just watched an interview with his father who is very blunt and says that Zimmer was attacked, his nose broken, and head pounded into the concrete...let's start with the broken nose. If that is true than why doesn't the mug shot show a visible broken nose, black eyes, face look like he got pummeled in a back alley? I'm sorry but I am not seeing any of that to corroborate with what his father is telling CNN. C'mon now, at some point you gotta call a spade a spade. We can have all these pseudo FFA defense lawyers come in and do a good impression of Ironside, Matlock, or Perry Mason and yes I'm aware those guys weren't all defense attorneys but at the end of the day we have a dead 17 year old kid unarmed who allegedly in an instant completely unprovoked went after Zimmer and beat him senseless to the point he felt his life was in grave danger(Is there any other kind?) and pulled his gun and shot the 17 year old dead...I've heard enough, seen enough, if he's not arrested soon and put to the legal process like everyone else, things are only going to escalate...the needs of the many far outweigh the needs of this man. Enough BS, let's get this public execution started already. I think Zimmer should be put to the guillotine and the family allowed to press the button that drops the blade.

I'm just following along at CNN

 

[timschochet]

..the needs of the many far outweigh the needs of this man. Enough BS, let's get this public execution started already. I think Zimmer should be put to the guillotine and the family allowed to press the button that drops the blade.

(BTW, I think that mugshot was from a previous arrest.)

 

[jonessed]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

It's been a month since the shooting and at least two weeks since this thing has gone media crazy and now there is a new witness that says they saw the entire thing? And he is going to Anderson Cooper first?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Can I ask a question? No? I'm gonna ask anyways...The mugshot of Zimmerman is from that night at the police station, right or wrong?I just watched an interview with his father who is very blunt and says that Zimmer was attacked, his nose broken, and head pounded into the concrete...let's start with the broken nose. If that is true than why doesn't the mug shot show a visible broken nose, black eyes, face look like he got pummeled in a back alley? I'm sorry but I am not seeing any of that to corroborate with what his father is telling CNN. C'mon now, at some point you gotta call a spade a spade. We can have all these pseudo FFA defense lawyers come in and do a good impression of Ironside, Matlock, or Perry Mason and yes I'm aware those guys weren't all defense attorneys but at the end of the day we have a dead 17 year old kid unarmed who allegedly in an instant completely unprovoked went after Zimmer and beat him senseless to the point he felt his life was in grave danger(Is there any other kind?) and pulled his gun and shot the 17 year old dead...I've heard enough, seen enough, if he's not arrested soon and put to the legal process like everyone else, things are only going to escalate...the needs of the many far outweigh the needs of this man. Enough BS, let's get this public execution started already. I think Zimmer should be put to the guillotine and the family allowed to press the button that drops the blade.

I'm just following along at CNN

The mug shot you are talking about was from a few years ago.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

It's been a month since the shooting and at least two weeks since this thing has gone media crazy and now there is a new witness that says they saw the entire thing? And he is going to Anderson Cooper first?

who said he hasnt talked to the police already. He wasnt shown, it was him just talking and they distorted his voice. He wasnt biased one way or the other .