Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[moderated]

A 200+ lb 27 year old guy felt his life was endangered by a 140lb unarmed kid. How ridiculous, even if he was getting punched he was never in any danger of being injured badly.

He was a neighborhood watch wanna be cop guy looking for trouble and the opportunity to use his gun.

I hope he ends up 6 feet under.

Apparently you've never been in a fight since the adrenaline rush can make a fight seem more dangerous that it really is. If Trayvon tried to get his gun then it certainly does make it a deadly situation.Oh, he will...eventually.

How would trayvon even know he had a gun unless Zimmerman pulled it out. trayvon wasnt going to put his hand down zimmermans pants looking for it during a struggle in the dark.

 

[timschochet]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

It's been a month since the shooting and at least two weeks since this thing has gone media crazy and now there is a new witness that says they saw the entire thing? And he is going to Anderson Cooper first?

This is the first witness you've laughed at. Did you laugh at "John"?

 

[Sea Duck]

A 200+ lb 27 year old guy felt his life was endangered by a 140lb unarmed kid. How ridiculous, even if he was getting punched he was never in any danger of being injured badly.

He was a neighborhood watch wanna be cop guy looking for trouble and the opportunity to use his gun.

I hope he ends up 6 feet under.

28 year old sub 200 pound man felt threatened by a 6 foot 160 pound 17 year old. Not that it matters to you.

By page 200 Zimmerman will weigh 150 pounds and Trayvon will be a ninja.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

The body was outlined, according to one report, legs on the sidewalk, body in the grass.

Everything I found prior to reading that agreed with the bold, but that was just an X between the buildings, west of the sidewalk about ten feet.

Also the tape recording today with an arrow pointing to the spot, pointed straight to the sidewalk.

Not sure how important this is in the end.

OK...i found this footage and watch at the 1:35 mark...you will see the top of treys head sticking out from the yellow plastic cover they use on dead bodies at crime scenes. He`s clearly nowhere near the pavement...hes well onto the grass.http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn#/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn

 

[timschochet]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

The body was outlined, according to one report, legs on the sidewalk, body in the grass.

Everything I found prior to reading that agreed with the bold, but that was just an X between the buildings, west of the sidewalk about ten feet.

Also the tape recording today with an arrow pointing to the spot, pointed straight to the sidewalk.

Not sure how important this is in the end.

OK...i found this footage and watch at the 1:35 mark...you will see the top of treys head sticking out from the yellow plastic cover they use on dead bodies at crime scenes. He`s clearly nowhere near the pavement...hes well onto the grass.http://www.cnn.com/v...d-911-tapes.cnn

How do we know that his body wasn't moved?- Christo

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

It's been a month since the shooting and at least two weeks since this thing has gone media crazy and now there is a new witness that says they saw the entire thing? And he is going to Anderson Cooper first?

This is the first witness you've laughed at. Did you laugh at "John"?

Oh god no...that would be blasphemy of the all knowing ''john''

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

The body was outlined, according to one report, legs on the sidewalk, body in the grass.

Everything I found prior to reading that agreed with the bold, but that was just an X between the buildings, west of the sidewalk about ten feet.

Also the tape recording today with an arrow pointing to the spot, pointed straight to the sidewalk.

Not sure how important this is in the end.

OK...i found this footage and watch at the 1:35 mark...you will see the top of treys head sticking out from the yellow plastic cover they use on dead bodies at crime scenes. He`s clearly nowhere near the pavement...hes well onto the grass.http://www.cnn.com/v...d-911-tapes.cnn

How do we know that his body wasn't moved?- Christo

thats sum funny ####

 

[timschochet]

Zimmerman's dad: "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the President, the NAACP, everyone".

Say what???

 

[Sea Duck]

Zimmerman's dad: "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the President, the NAACP, everyone".Say what???

It's almost like he's reading from Sean Hannity's teleprompter.

 

[timschochet]

Last night I mentioned that IMO even more problematic for Zimmerman's defense from that video than the lack of blood or signs of a broken nose was the lack of any grass stains on his clothes. Several people here, led by Christo, took me apart. One poster went to great lengths to explain how grass doesn't stick to clothing in most cases when dry. Christo asked me if I was a botanist.

Turns out though that the ground was wet- apparently there had been a light rain (which was why Martin wore a hoodie). So Zimmerman per his story was on the wet grass, yet no grass stains on his clothing...

 

[Carver]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

The body was outlined, according to one report, legs on the sidewalk, body in the grass.

Everything I found prior to reading that agreed with the bold, but that was just an X between the buildings, west of the sidewalk about ten feet.

Also the tape recording today with an arrow pointing to the spot, pointed straight to the sidewalk.

Not sure how important this is in the end.

OK...i found this footage and watch at the 1:35 mark...you will see the top of treys head sticking out from the yellow plastic cover they use on dead bodies at crime scenes. He`s clearly nowhere near the pavement...hes well onto the grass.http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn#/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn

Wow. Pretty far off the pavement so far as I can tell. :(

 

[Novice2]

Has Spike lee terrorized anymore 70 year old couples by tweeting out their addy and saying reach out and touch em?

 

[Chaos Commish]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

The body was outlined, according to one report, legs on the sidewalk, body in the grass.

Everything I found prior to reading that agreed with the bold, but that was just an X between the buildings, west of the sidewalk about ten feet.

Also the tape recording today with an arrow pointing to the spot, pointed straight to the sidewalk.

Not sure how important this is in the end.

OK...i found this footage and watch at the 1:35 mark...you will see the top of treys head sticking out from the yellow plastic cover they use on dead bodies at crime scenes. He`s clearly nowhere near the pavement...hes well onto the grass.http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn#/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn

Wow. Pretty far off the pavement so far as I can tell. :(

That's the biggest hole in Zimmerman's story I've seen. His dad was adamant about the sidewalk thing. I cannot find the article that discussed his body being half on and half off, but I don't feel much like searching atm.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Every part of every story the Zimmerman camp has put out is falling apart. I'm starting to have some hope that this guy might do time after all.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Every part of every story the Zimmerman camp has put out is falling apart. I'm starting to have some hope that this guy might do time after all.

I wouldn't go that far. It could be the most important part of Zimmerman's story, other than being attacked, is that he turned back and Trayvon came after him (or backtracked or whatever). There's some pretty strong support for that. Martin's attorneys are going to have to deal with that and remove reasonable doubt. So far, afaik, they are denying it.

 

[timschochet]

Every part of every story the Zimmerman camp has put out is falling apart. I'm starting to have some hope that this guy might do time after all.

I wouldn't go that far. It could be the most important part of Zimmerman's story, other than being attacked, is that he turned back and Trayvon came after him (or backtracked or whatever). There's some pretty strong support for that. Martin's attorneys are going to have to deal with that and remove reasonable doubt. So far, afaik, they are denying it.

Why would Martin's attorney's have to do anything? Isn't it going to be, eventually, the state which has to prove the charges against Zimmerman? Also, the "pretty strong support" you're claiming still seems to be the word of that one mysterious witness, "John", right? Or is there support of that claim outside of "John" and Zimmerman himself?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Every part of every story the Zimmerman camp has put out is falling apart. I'm starting to have some hope that this guy might do time after all.

I wouldn't go that far. It could be the most important part of Zimmerman's story, other than being attacked, is that he turned back and Trayvon came after him (or backtracked or whatever). There's some pretty strong support for that. Martin's attorneys are going to have to deal with that and remove reasonable doubt. So far, afaik, they are denying it.

Why would Martin's attorney's have to do anything? Isn't it going to be, eventually, the state which has to prove the charges against Zimmerman? Also, the "pretty strong support" you're claiming still seems to be the word of that one mysterious witness, "John", right? Or is there support of that claim outside of "John" and Zimmerman himself?

I consider those prosecuting Zimmerman Martin's attorneys.Nothing I'm talking about has anything to do with John, but John does seem to be the most complete eyewitness to the fight. I don't know if anyone caught the 13 year old's video statement, but he saw squat and pretty much admits it. So who else is there? Why is John in quotes, "Tim"?

The support for Zimmerman turning back to his truck is based on the things he said on the four minute phone call about what he was observing and the location of the fight. It was almost all the back to where things began.

 

[timschochet]

Every part of every story the Zimmerman camp has put out is falling apart. I'm starting to have some hope that this guy might do time after all.

I wouldn't go that far. It could be the most important part of Zimmerman's story, other than being attacked, is that he turned back and Trayvon came after him (or backtracked or whatever). There's some pretty strong support for that. Martin's attorneys are going to have to deal with that and remove reasonable doubt. So far, afaik, they are denying it.

Why would Martin's attorney's have to do anything? Isn't it going to be, eventually, the state which has to prove the charges against Zimmerman? Also, the "pretty strong support" you're claiming still seems to be the word of that one mysterious witness, "John", right? Or is there support of that claim outside of "John" and Zimmerman himself?

I consider those prosecuting Zimmerman Martin's attorneys.Nothing I'm talking about has anything to do with John, but John does seem to be the most complete eyewitness to the fight. I don't know if anyone caught the 13 year old's video statement, but he saw squat and pretty much admits it. So who else is there? Why is John in quotes, "Tim"?

The support for Zimmerman turning back to his truck is based on the things he said on the four minute phone call about what he was observing and the location of the fight. It was almost all the back to where things began.

1/ Those prpsecuting Zimmerman will be OUR attorneys. It will be the People vs. George Zimmerman.2. "John" is in quotes because he didn't give his full name and we don't know who he is; we don't even know if that is his name. Nothing else is implied.

3. I know you believe that Zimmerman's statement on the phone call seem to logically suggest that it was Martin who confronted him, not the other way around. You are the only person I know who has made this argument. I haven't heard it on TV or anywhere else. That doesn't make it necessarily a bad argument, but I haven't heard it.

 

[parasaurolophus]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

The body was outlined, according to one report, legs on the sidewalk, body in the grass.

Everything I found prior to reading that agreed with the bold, but that was just an X between the buildings, west of the sidewalk about ten feet.

Also the tape recording today with an arrow pointing to the spot, pointed straight to the sidewalk.

Not sure how important this is in the end.

OK...i found this footage and watch at the 1:35 mark...you will see the top of treys head sticking out from the yellow plastic cover they use on dead bodies at crime scenes. He`s clearly nowhere near the pavement...hes well onto the grass.http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn#/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn

Wow. Pretty far off the pavement so far as I can tell. :(

That's the biggest hole in Zimmerman's story I've seen. His dad was adamant about the sidewalk thing. I cannot find the article that discussed his body being half on and half off, but I don't feel much like searching atm.

Don't, unless you have a safe filter on

 

[Slapdash]

Every part of every story the Zimmerman camp has put out is falling apart. I'm starting to have some hope that this guy might do time after all.

I wouldn't go that far. It could be the most important part of Zimmerman's story, other than being attacked, is that he turned back and Trayvon came after him (or backtracked or whatever). There's some pretty strong support for that. Martin's attorneys are going to have to deal with that and remove reasonable doubt. So far, afaik, they are denying it.

Still waiting on you to post this. Let me know if I've missed it.

 

[Clinton]

Those prpsecuting Zimmerman will be OUR attorneys. It will be the People vs. George Zimmerman.

People of the State of Florida v. George ZimmermanI'm not a Floridian.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Sources close to the investigation said there is at least one picture of Zimmerman's injuries at the scene.

It was taken by an officer with his personal cellphone.

 

[jomar]

Last night I mentioned that IMO even more problematic for Zimmerman's defense from that video than the lack of blood or signs of a broken nose was the lack of any grass stains on his clothes. Several people here, led by Christo, took me apart. One poster went to great lengths to explain how grass doesn't stick to clothing in most cases when dry. Christo asked me if I was a botanist.Turns out though that the ground was wet- apparently there had been a light rain (which was why Martin wore a hoodie). So Zimmerman per his story was on the wet grass, yet no grass stains on his clothing...

I brought this up a couple pages back. I thought we were all aware it was raining that night but apparently not....I read that the video from the station was taken at 7:52, just 35 minutes after the struggle and shooting. yet no stains or even a wet spot. if I'm rolling around in a struggle with someone on wet grass, I'd think I'd end up with a spot or two on my clothes somewhere. its strange because I don't doubt that he was on the grass at one point. it certainly makes it look like he wasn't on the grass for very long, maybe just a few seconds which were the seconds that "John" witnessed.

 

[renesauz]

1. No matter what, Zimmerman's history matters.

2. Martin's history does not matter, unless you can prove that (a) Martin violently attacked Zimmerman as Zimmerman is claiming and (b) there are elements in Martin's history which are suggestive of this sort of violence.

So far, I don't think there's any evidence which proves 2 (a), though others disagree with me. There is certainly no evidence which proves 2 (b). And not only that, the "evidence" which HAS been produced is a slimy attack on the character of this kid- and yes it has racial overtones as well. It plays into the stereotype of the dangerous, gangsta black youth which people like Zimmerman (and presumably the rest of us) should be afraid of.

You're using a double standard here. Defacing school property, drug paraphenalia, highly suggestive evidance of theivery...these things suggest this kid was capable of commiting crimes....including attacking Zimmerman first. At best...their histories are a wash.

Oh bull####. Nothing there suggests violent behavior in the least. Most absurd statement you've made.

Have you followed this whole thread? This guy's made a bunch. I think one even made it into a sig.

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NEW NEWS

A new witness has come forward, he was interviewed on anderson cooper at 10 pm est. Couldnt see much because it was raining and dark but did say the confrontation lasted awhile (talking then arguing then a fight) .The fight was entirely on the grass , not near the cement walk. He said he saw the 2 men on the ground and then he heard what he described as 2 pops. Zimmerman got off the ground instantly and did not appear to be hurt. As zimmerman walked towards the witness who was in his house looking out the window he didnt see any blood on zimmerman. He couldnt say who was on top of whom when the gun was fired.

The body was outlined, according to one report, legs on the sidewalk, body in the grass.

Everything I found prior to reading that agreed with the bold, but that was just an X between the buildings, west of the sidewalk about ten feet.

Also the tape recording today with an arrow pointing to the spot, pointed straight to the sidewalk.

Not sure how important this is in the end.

OK...i found this footage and watch at the 1:35 mark...you will see the top of treys head sticking out from the yellow plastic cover they use on dead bodies at crime scenes. He`s clearly nowhere near the pavement...hes well onto the grass.http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn#/video/us/2012/03/17/mattingly-fl-teen-killed-911-tapes.cnn

Wow. Pretty far off the pavement so far as I can tell. :(

That's the biggest hole in Zimmerman's story I've seen. His dad was adamant about the sidewalk thing. I cannot find the article that discussed his body being half on and half off, but I don't feel much like searching atm.

The problem is once you get caught in one lie then nobody will believe anything you say because they wont know what is truth and what is not.

 

[the moops]

I can't really imagine a scenario where a fight is taking place on the ground, and a grown man, while maybe getting the worse of the fight, will start screaming like a teenage boy yelling for help.

However, I can imagine a teenage boy screaming for help while staring at a gun being pointed at him.

 

[jomar]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Every part of every story the Zimmerman camp has put out is falling apart. I'm starting to have some hope that this guy might do time after all.

I wouldn't go that far. It could be the most important part of Zimmerman's story, other than being attacked, is that he turned back and Trayvon came after him (or backtracked or whatever). There's some pretty strong support for that. Martin's attorneys are going to have to deal with that and remove reasonable doubt. So far, afaik, they are denying it.

Still waiting on you to post this. Let me know if I've missed it.

Yeah sorry. I'm real leery about posting information regarding residences. I just thought of an answer this morning, but it will take me awhile. Busy today.

 

[renesauz]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

I understand all of that. The problem is that there is an underlying assumption that the kid was 100% innocent of any wrongdoing on the night in question. At the very beginning, he was portrayed as a GOOD kid who was NEVER in ANY kind of trouble. His school suspension was for being late to school, etc. etc. yada yada. The gist of that was that the kid would never have started a fight. And that was all a lie, or at least, incredibly misleading. The kid WAS in trouble. If he took a swing at a bus driver, then we can no longer say he couldn't possibly have swung at Zimerman first.Zimmerman's story is that the kid started the physical fight. Regardless of how any of us feel about Zimmermans actions to that point in time....this point is crucial to the point of manslaughter vs. murder...negligence vs. manslaughter, etc. The kid's history doesn't paint the picture of a kid incapable of swinging first or backtracking to confront his "stalker", as was claimed. If it's fair to look at Zimmerman's history to say he could have started the fight, then it's certainly reasonable to look at the kids and say the kid could have started the (physical) fight.

 

[ATC1]

I can't really imagine a scenario where a fight is taking place on the ground, and a grown man, while maybe getting the worse of the fight, will start screaming like a teenage boy yelling for help.

However, I can imagine a teenage boy screaming for help while staring at a gun being pointed at him.

Proof the shot was not fired the instant Zimmerman took it out of the holster....or the instant he gained control of it in a struggle? This would be huge.If there is no evidence of blood. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman for the sole purpose of trying to gain control of the gun that Zimmerman pulled. If Zimmerman gets control of the gun and there is enough time for Martin to scream help and noooo for as long as the witnesses say they heard a cry for help, then Zimmerman should be in jail for a long time.

Still not jumping to any conclusions.

As to the new witness. Can we really take a "New" witness at this time that comes on a TV show. He heard 2 shots fired? There is still only proof that there was only one, right?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I can't really imagine a scenario where a fight is taking place on the ground, and a grown man, while maybe getting the worse of the fight, will start screaming like a teenage boy yelling for help.

However, I can imagine a teenage boy screaming for help while staring at a gun being pointed at him.

Proof the shot was not fired the instant Zimmerman took it out of the holster....or the instant he gained control of it in a struggle? This would be huge.If there is no evidence of blood. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman for the sole purpose of trying to gain control of the gun that Zimmerman pulled. If Zimmerman gets control of the gun and there is enough time for Martin to scream help and noooo for as long as the witnesses say they heard a cry for help, then Zimmerman should be in jail for a long time.

Still not jumping to any conclusions.

As to the new witness. Can we really take a "New" witness at this time that comes on a TV show. He heard 2 shots fired? There is still only proof that there was only one, right?

hes not a new witness to the police, hes a new witness to the public.Hes staying anonymous so hes not looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He said he heard what sounded like 2 fast pops, he said it could have been an echo.here , listen for yourself...

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-witness-breaks-silence/?hpt=ac_t1

 

[ATC1]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

I understand all of that. The problem is that there is an underlying assumption that the kid was 100% innocent of any wrongdoing on the night in question. At the very beginning, he was portrayed as a GOOD kid who was NEVER in ANY kind of trouble. His school suspension was for being late to school, etc. etc. yada yada. The gist of that was that the kid would never have started a fight. And that was all a lie, or at least, incredibly misleading. The kid WAS in trouble. If he took a swing at a bus driver, then we can no longer say he couldn't possibly have swung at Zimerman first.Zimmerman's story is that the kid started the physical fight. Regardless of how any of us feel about Zimmermans actions to that point in time....this point is crucial to the point of manslaughter vs. murder...negligence vs. manslaughter, etc. The kid's history doesn't paint the picture of a kid incapable of swinging first or backtracking to confront his "stalker", as was claimed. If it's fair to look at Zimmerman's history to say he could have started the fight, then it's certainly reasonable to look at the kids and say the kid could have started the (physical) fight.

If Martin has no physical damage to it on his face, bruised ribs, etc, but we do have reports and evidence of a bloody and/or broken nose and a cut to the back of the head on Zimmerman, then the visual evidence supports that Martin was the aggressor. Now, can it be possible Zimmerman can still be trial for manslaughter at that time? Sure. That is where the actual "struggle" comes into play.

To say that "an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead" is just wrong. When we don't have his side of the story, his prior history as a young kid will certainly be used. The first thing out his parents mouth is that he was a "good kid". Of course Zimmerman supporters will point out he was not as good as you would like to think as further evidence he could have attacked Zimmerman.

 

[ATC1]

I can't really imagine a scenario where a fight is taking place on the ground, and a grown man, while maybe getting the worse of the fight, will start screaming like a teenage boy yelling for help.

However, I can imagine a teenage boy screaming for help while staring at a gun being pointed at him.

Proof the shot was not fired the instant Zimmerman took it out of the holster....or the instant he gained control of it in a struggle? This would be huge.If there is no evidence of blood. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman for the sole purpose of trying to gain control of the gun that Zimmerman pulled. If Zimmerman gets control of the gun and there is enough time for Martin to scream help and noooo for as long as the witnesses say they heard a cry for help, then Zimmerman should be in jail for a long time.

Still not jumping to any conclusions.

As to the new witness. Can we really take a "New" witness at this time that comes on a TV show. He heard 2 shots fired? There is still only proof that there was only one, right?

hes not a new witness to the police, hes a new witness to the public.Hes staying anonymous so hes not looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He said he heard what sounded like 2 fast pops, he said it could have been an echo.

ok, more proof that we should be patient before jumping to any conclusions. I'd like to see his official report to the police that night. Not his account of the incident after agreeing to come out of hiding to get on CNN.

 

[ATC1]

I can't really imagine a scenario where a fight is taking place on the ground, and a grown man, while maybe getting the worse of the fight, will start screaming like a teenage boy yelling for help.

However, I can imagine a teenage boy screaming for help while staring at a gun being pointed at him.

Proof the shot was not fired the instant Zimmerman took it out of the holster....or the instant he gained control of it in a struggle? This would be huge.If there is no evidence of blood. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman for the sole purpose of trying to gain control of the gun that Zimmerman pulled. If Zimmerman gets control of the gun and there is enough time for Martin to scream help and noooo for as long as the witnesses say they heard a cry for help, then Zimmerman should be in jail for a long time.

Still not jumping to any conclusions.

As to the new witness. Can we really take a "New" witness at this time that comes on a TV show. He heard 2 shots fired? There is still only proof that there was only one, right?

hes not a new witness to the police, hes a new witness to the public.Hes staying anonymous so hes not looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He said he heard what sounded like 2 fast pops, he said it could have been an echo.here , listen for yourself...

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-witness-breaks-silence/?hpt=ac_t1

Saw the video. Half of it is the witness trying to explain who was on top. He said he assumed it was Zimmerman because the boy was on the ground face down? Really? If the boy was on the bottom and Zimmerman was on top. Zimmerman would have had to flip Martin over before getting up and walking away.ETA: Do we have the testimony of the guy with the flashlight? Would be very interested in hearing his side as far as Zimmerman's injuries.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I can't really imagine a scenario where a fight is taking place on the ground, and a grown man, while maybe getting the worse of the fight, will start screaming like a teenage boy yelling for help.

However, I can imagine a teenage boy screaming for help while staring at a gun being pointed at him.

Proof the shot was not fired the instant Zimmerman took it out of the holster....or the instant he gained control of it in a struggle? This would be huge.If there is no evidence of blood. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman for the sole purpose of trying to gain control of the gun that Zimmerman pulled. If Zimmerman gets control of the gun and there is enough time for Martin to scream help and noooo for as long as the witnesses say they heard a cry for help, then Zimmerman should be in jail for a long time.

Still not jumping to any conclusions.

As to the new witness. Can we really take a "New" witness at this time that comes on a TV show. He heard 2 shots fired? There is still only proof that there was only one, right?

hes not a new witness to the police, hes a new witness to the public.Hes staying anonymous so hes not looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He said he heard what sounded like 2 fast pops, he said it could have been an echo.here , listen for yourself...

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-witness-breaks-silence/?hpt=ac_t1

He's not looking for his 15 minutes but he appears on CNN?

 

[cstu]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

The fact that he likely had stolen jewelry backs up Zimmerman's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses.

 

[Carver]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

I understand all of that. The problem is that there is an underlying assumption that the kid was 100% innocent of any wrongdoing on the night in question. At the very beginning, he was portrayed as a GOOD kid who was NEVER in ANY kind of trouble. His school suspension was for being late to school, etc. etc. yada yada. The gist of that was that the kid would never have started a fight. And that was all a lie, or at least, incredibly misleading. The kid WAS in trouble. If he took a swing at a bus driver, then we can no longer say he couldn't possibly have swung at Zimerman first.Zimmerman's story is that the kid started the physical fight. Regardless of how any of us feel about Zimmermans actions to that point in time....this point is crucial to the point of manslaughter vs. murder...negligence vs. manslaughter, etc. The kid's history doesn't paint the picture of a kid incapable of swinging first or backtracking to confront his "stalker", as was claimed. If it's fair to look at Zimmerman's history to say he could have started the fight, then it's certainly reasonable to look at the kids and say the kid could have started the (physical) fight.

If Martin has no physical damage to it on his face, bruised ribs, etc, but we do have reports and evidence of a bloody and/or broken nose and a cut to the back of the head on Zimmerman, then the visual evidence supports that Martin was the aggressor. Now, can it be possible Zimmerman can still be trial for manslaughter at that time? Sure. That is where the actual "struggle" comes into play.

To say that "an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead" is just wrong. When we don't have his side of the story, his prior history as a young kid will certainly be used. The first thing out his parents mouth is that he was a "good kid". Of course Zimmerman supporters will point out he was not as good as you would like to think as further evidence he could have attacked Zimmerman.

One of the few FACTS that we know, is that Trayvon at least attempted to run away from Zimmerman at one point. So one minute he is attempting to run away (FACT) and the next (ALEDGEDLY) he is chasing Zimmerman down from behind to assault him??

 

[Carver]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

The fact that he likely had stolen jewelry backs up Zimmerman's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses.

He also said the mailman was leaving suspicious packages on peoples doorsteps.

The guy is a fruitcake.

 

[bigbottom]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

The fact that he likely had stolen jewelry backs up Zimmerman's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses.

Did Zimmerman say he was checking out houses? I haven't been keeping up.

 

[roarlions]

Zimmerman's dad: "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the President, the NAACP, everyone".Say what???

If that's a direct quote, it sure is interesting that he singles out the President and the NAACP from everyone else.

 

[NCCommish]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

The fact that he likely had stolen jewelry backs up Zimmerman's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses.

Well as long as we are covering the past:

George Zimmerman lost job as party security guard for being too aggressive, ex-co-worker says

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.

The former co-worker, who is no longer in touch with Zimmerman, said he was shocked to hear what happened Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power. Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never,” he said.

NY Daily News

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I can't really imagine a scenario where a fight is taking place on the ground, and a grown man, while maybe getting the worse of the fight, will start screaming like a teenage boy yelling for help.

However, I can imagine a teenage boy screaming for help while staring at a gun being pointed at him.

Proof the shot was not fired the instant Zimmerman took it out of the holster....or the instant he gained control of it in a struggle? This would be huge.If there is no evidence of blood. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman for the sole purpose of trying to gain control of the gun that Zimmerman pulled. If Zimmerman gets control of the gun and there is enough time for Martin to scream help and noooo for as long as the witnesses say they heard a cry for help, then Zimmerman should be in jail for a long time.

Still not jumping to any conclusions.

As to the new witness. Can we really take a "New" witness at this time that comes on a TV show. He heard 2 shots fired? There is still only proof that there was only one, right?

hes not a new witness to the police, hes a new witness to the public.Hes staying anonymous so hes not looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He said he heard what sounded like 2 fast pops, he said it could have been an echo.here , listen for yourself...

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-witness-breaks-silence/?hpt=ac_t1

He's not looking for his 15 minutes but he appears on CNN?

anonymously

 

[jomar]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

The fact that he likely had stolen jewelry backs up Zimmerman's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses.

no, the fact that he MAY have had stolen jewelry (months?) before innocently walking home from a store does not back up Z's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses. if Z caught him looking in windows or something, maybe. but this kid was just walking down the street and Z found him suspicious for what exactly?

 

[StrikeS2k]

I can't really imagine a scenario where a fight is taking place on the ground, and a grown man, while maybe getting the worse of the fight, will start screaming like a teenage boy yelling for help.

However, I can imagine a teenage boy screaming for help while staring at a gun being pointed at him.

Proof the shot was not fired the instant Zimmerman took it out of the holster....or the instant he gained control of it in a struggle? This would be huge.If there is no evidence of blood. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman for the sole purpose of trying to gain control of the gun that Zimmerman pulled. If Zimmerman gets control of the gun and there is enough time for Martin to scream help and noooo for as long as the witnesses say they heard a cry for help, then Zimmerman should be in jail for a long time.

Still not jumping to any conclusions.

As to the new witness. Can we really take a "New" witness at this time that comes on a TV show. He heard 2 shots fired? There is still only proof that there was only one, right?

hes not a new witness to the police, hes a new witness to the public.Hes staying anonymous so hes not looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He said he heard what sounded like 2 fast pops, he said it could have been an echo.here , listen for yourself...

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-witness-breaks-silence/?hpt=ac_t1

He's not looking for his 15 minutes but he appears on CNN?

anonymously

Right. So he's not looking for fame, just a buck. Upstanding fellow.

 

[DiStefano]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

The fact that he likely had stolen jewelry backs up Zimmerman's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses.

no, the fact that he MAY have had stolen jewelry (months?) before innocently walking home from a store does not back up Z's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses. if Z caught him looking in windows or something, maybe. but this kid was just walking down the street and Z found him suspicious for what exactly?

Hoodie.

 

[timschochet]

Zimmerman's dad: "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the President, the NAACP, everyone".Say what???

If that's a direct quote, it sure is interesting that he singles out the President and the NAACP from everyone else.

It's a direct quote. I've heard it repeated now several times.Originally I heard that the dad was a judge. Now I'm hearing (on the radio, unsourced) that the dad is not a judge, that the son lied about this. I'm also hearing that George was charged with assaulting a police officer, and that a former girlfriend charged him with physical abuse. Sounds pretty bad, but then again Trayvon smoked some pot, so it's a wash.

 

[renesauz]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

I understand all of that. The problem is that there is an underlying assumption that the kid was 100% innocent of any wrongdoing on the night in question. At the very beginning, he was portrayed as a GOOD kid who was NEVER in ANY kind of trouble. His school suspension was for being late to school, etc. etc. yada yada. The gist of that was that the kid would never have started a fight. And that was all a lie, or at least, incredibly misleading. The kid WAS in trouble. If he took a swing at a bus driver, then we can no longer say he couldn't possibly have swung at Zimerman first.Zimmerman's story is that the kid started the physical fight. Regardless of how any of us feel about Zimmermans actions to that point in time....this point is crucial to the point of manslaughter vs. murder...negligence vs. manslaughter, etc. The kid's history doesn't paint the picture of a kid incapable of swinging first or backtracking to confront his "stalker", as was claimed. If it's fair to look at Zimmerman's history to say he could have started the fight, then it's certainly reasonable to look at the kids and say the kid could have started the (physical) fight.

If Martin has no physical damage to it on his face, bruised ribs, etc, but we do have reports and evidence of a bloody and/or broken nose and a cut to the back of the head on Zimmerman, then the visual evidence supports that Martin was the aggressor. Now, can it be possible Zimmerman can still be trial for manslaughter at that time? Sure. That is where the actual "struggle" comes into play.

To say that "an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead" is just wrong. When we don't have his side of the story, his prior history as a young kid will certainly be used. The first thing out his parents mouth is that he was a "good kid". Of course Zimmerman supporters will point out he was not as good as you would like to think as further evidence he could have attacked Zimmerman.

One of the few FACTS that we know, is that Trayvon at least attempted to run away from Zimmerman at one point. So one minute he is attempting to run away (FACT) and the next (ALEDGEDLY) he is chasing Zimmerman down from behind to assault him??

It is just as much fact that Zimmerman said "OK, I lost him anyway", and he ALLEGEDLY found and went after the teen again.Little about the story makes sense. Zimmerman's story doesn't make perfect sense...the worst of the counter-stories make even less sense. One or both of the two of them acted like an idiot at at least one point. I tend to think both did something idiotic at some point. Most Zimmerman bashers have had an annoying tendency to give the TEENAGER (not some little kid) a complete pass, and that's neither realistic nor reasonable. The teen spoke boldly to his girlfriend (allegedly)....I fail to see how it's much of a stretch at all to think he MIGHT HAVE doubled back and gone after Zimmerman. Not likely...but certainly possible.

Zimmerman was the adult, and we do know he's an idiot. I think he's morally wrong, but not convinced he's legally wrong.

 

[bigbottom]

Zimmerman's dad: "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the President, the NAACP, everyone".Say what???

If that's a direct quote, it sure is interesting that he singles out the President and the NAACP from everyone else.

Yeah, the GOP candidates comments were far more hostile to Zimmerman than Obama's.

 

[Clinton]

Zimmerman's dad: "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the President, the NAACP, everyone".Say what???

If that's a direct quote, it sure is interesting that he singles out the President and the NAACP from everyone else.

Don't forget the Congressional Black Caucus. The exact quote was:"I never foresaw so much hate coming from the President, The Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP... Every organization imaginable is trying to get notoriety from this or profit in some way."http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/03/29/454729/robert-zimmerman-obama/?mobile=nc

 

[timschochet]

Wow this is frustrating. So...y'all still FIRMLY believe this kid was an innocent angel?

I was IN NO WAY suggesting this kid was trash. I'm saying that his past ruins the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong, as was clearly implied in all the earliest reports. Quit reading more into my statements than is there.

there's that word 'clearly' again. I don't remember the perception of an angel incapable of doing wrong. what I do recall was an unarmed kid minding his own business being followed and then shot dead. I don't care if he was dealing MJ on the side, or spray painted his initials on a school wall, or even if he stole some jewelry as you implied. in this instance, he was walking home from a store doing nothing wrong and an over-zealous wanna-be cop followed him with a gun and ended up shooting him. and the guy wasn't even arrested and the cops didn't even try to notify the kids parents. I don't care that the media didn't start trashing the kid the day after he was killed for this stupid stuff when it doesn't matter.

The fact that he likely had stolen jewelry backs up Zimmerman's case that he was suspiciously checking out houses.

Well as long as we are covering the past:

George Zimmerman lost job as party security guard for being too aggressive, ex-co-worker says

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for "being too aggressive," a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

"Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us," he said. "But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped."

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

"He had a temper and he became a liability," the man said. "One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted," he said. "It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out."

The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.

The former co-worker, who is no longer in touch with Zimmerman, said he was shocked to hear what happened Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

"He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power. Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never," he said.

NY Daily News

Yeah, but Trayvon was a stoner. WASH!