Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[ATC1]

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

Link to where Zimmerman became physically involved or apprehended Trayvon before being attacked?

Link to explanation of what made Trayvon Martin a "situation"? Maybe he just had really nice abs and a venereal disease and Zimmerman got situation and "The Situation" confused?

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

Trust Your Instincts Call Immediately

Carrying, concealing or transporting anything unusual. Possible burglar carrying stolen property. - Zimmerman saw Trayvon had something rather large in his pocket. He reported it.

Loiters around schools, parks or on your street. Possible burglar, sex offense, drugs or arson.

Older children or adults, who are not from the neighborhood, bicycling randomly or repeatedly without a purposeful stination.

Possible theft of homes and/or garages.

Your police department appreciates you acting as their extra eyes and ears. Sometimes your suspicions are unfounded. If you are wrong, they understand you will not always be right, but you will not be in trouble with them. As a good citizen and a

Neighborhood Watch participant, your job is to give them the information you base your suspicions on.

 

[TobiasFunke]

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

Link to where Zimmerman became physically involved or apprehended Trayvon before being attacked?

Link to explanation of what made Trayvon Martin a "situation"? Maybe he just had really nice abs and a venereal disease and Zimmerman got situation and "The Situation" confused?

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

Trust Your Instincts Call Immediately

Carrying, concealing or transporting anything unusual. Possible burglar carrying stolen property. - Zimmerman saw Trayvon had something rather large in his pocket. He reported it.

Loiters around schools, parks or on your street. Possible burglar, sex offense, drugs or arson.

Older children or adults, who are not from the neighborhood, bicycling randomly or repeatedly without a purposeful stination.

Possible theft of homes and/or garages.

Your police department appreciates you acting as their extra eyes and ears. Sometimes your suspicions are unfounded. If you are wrong, they understand you will not always be right, but you will not be in trouble with them. As a good citizen and a

Neighborhood Watch participant, your job is to give them the information you base your suspicions on.

He reported Trayvon had "something rather large in his pocket"? Are you trying to get someone banned?I'm gonna let that one pass, and instead simply note that there is nothing unusual about iced tea and skittles or anything one might reasonably mistake iced tea or skittles for. In order for Zimmerman to think there is something unusual or suspicious about that, he (once again!) has to be either an idiot or a racist. Only question is which one.

 

[SacramentoBob]

He reported that Martin had his hand in his waistband, not that he had something rather large in his pocket.

 

[ATC1]

Sorry ATC1, but IMO you're spreading a lot of misinformation here:

1. The reason people are in an uproar that he followed Trayvon is because he should not have confronted Trayvon. According to the guidelines:

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Now there's obviously some question as to who confronted who. But for Zimmerman to be armed and following Trayvon seems to be problematic. And even if we used Christo-like stretching to make it permissible under these rules, it still looks bad, and you should be able to see why it pisses people off. That does not in itself make Zimmerman guilty of a major crime. But if makes him look really bad to most people trying to be have some objectivity here.

No where in the official Sanford police guidelines to a neighborhood watch does it say not to carry or follow the suspicious person to keep him observed. Should that be in the guidlines? probably, but it isn't.

2. That video shows a basically uninjured Zimmerman. There MAY be a mark on the back of his head; we don't know where it's from. We don't know what he was treated for at the scene. We do know that whatever it was, it wasn't serious, since the 2nd ambulance was turned away. We do know that he refused to go to a hospital that night for treatment. We do know that, despite his claims of a broken nose, there was no signs of blood either on his skin or, more problematic, his clothing. We do know that despite his claim of being on the ground pummeled in wet grass, there are no signs of grass stains or even dampness on his clothing. To me all of this is pretty suggestive that his story is BS. That's what I wrote when the video first surfaced and I have no reason to think otherwise now. Is it conclusive evidence that Zimmerman is lying? Hardly. But it is, as I wrote, pretty suggestive.

3. You state that we "have some evidence" that Zimmerman was on the bottom of a struggle. This is false. We have reports, unconfirmed, of one witness who MAY have stated this. We don't know who this witness is or how to measure his credibility in anyway. And we have Zimmerman's own story, as related to us by his dad. That is not evidence. That you would attempt to use any of this to argue that Trayvon wasn't the one screaming both fascinates and astounds me.

This is pretty weak. There are photos not surfaced of the injuries. Reports say he was treated at the scene. People refuse treatment because they don't like hospitals, don't have insurance or don't feel like going. His injuries may not be "bad". That does not mean he did not feel his life was not threatened. Oh and stop with the grass stains. His back had grass on it. He was on his back. Any reports that Trayvon had grass on his back? I was using wittness testimony as the evidence, but I have not seen anything that says other wise.

In short, based on what we know, there is very little reason to believe in Zimmerman's story, and lots of reasons to believe that he is guilty of murder or manslaughter. None of the reasons are absolutely conclusive. But taken together they are so overwhelming at this point that I fail to understand how any reasonable person could think Zimmerman was innocent. I am not tt alking about wanting him to be innocent or guilty- what you or I want is immaterial. And I am not talking about giving him the benefit of the doubt under our legal system- of course at this point, given all the things we don't know (and may never know) there is certainly room for reasonable doubt. But to take what we do know and conclude he is innocent- I'm just not getting this.

Everyone has a right to their opinion. Mine is that it is possible that Zimmerman followed the official Sanford guidelines of Neighborhood watch and still found himself in a situation where he thought deadly force was necessary.

 

[ATC1]

He reported that Martin had his hand in his waistband, not that he had something rather large in his pocket.

He reported Trayvon had "something rather large in his pocket"? Are you trying to get someone banned?

I'm gonna let that one pass, and instead simply note that there is nothing unusual about iced tea and skittles or anything one might reasonably mistake iced tea or skittles for. In order for Zimmerman to think there is something unusual or suspicious about that, he (once again!) has to be either an idiot or a racist. Only question is which one.

Zimmerman found it odd, he reported it. If he wouldn't have reported it, he would go against the purpose of the Neighborhood watch program.

 

[TobiasFunke]

He reported that Martin had his hand in his waistband, not that he had something rather large in his pocket.

Zimmerman found it odd, he reported it. If he wouldn't have reported it, he would go against the purpose of the Neighborhood watch program.

Apparently I spend the majority of my weekend afternoons sitting on the couch watching sports and being odd.

 

[ATC1]

He reported that Martin had his hand in his waistband, not that he had something rather large in his pocket.

Zimmerman found it odd, he reported it. If he wouldn't have reported it, he would go against the purpose of the Neighborhood watch program.

Apparently I spend the majority of my weekend afternoons sitting on the couch watching sports and being odd.

If the police come knocking and you haven't broken any laws. You're good.

 

[The Commish]

I just want to say that I stick by that statement. Martin was walking home from the store and now he's dead because Zimmerman and his gun inserted themselves into his life. Who swung first, who was on top of who, and who was screaming don't matter to me at all.

Noted

I don't agree with PlasmaDogPlasma. It matters very much to me who screamed. I will say right now that if it were somehow proven that George Zimmerman was the one screaming, he is very likely innocent of any crime, as he probably considered his life was threatened. The fact that he precipitated the confrontation is irrelevant to me. On the other hand, if Trayvon was screaming I think that, while it's still very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, you have to figure from common sense that Zimmerman committed a crime here, at least manslaughter, possible murder. It just doesn't make sense that Zimmerman believed his life is threatened and Martin is the one screaming.

So the screaming to me is a central issue that will decide this case, at least in my own mind.

This is a bizarre line to draw, but I can't say I'm surprised. The logical line would probably be where Zimmerman inserted himself and his gun into this kid's life wouldn't it?

Is it possible to say that it can be where Trayvon inserted himself into Zimmerman's?

Anything's possible. I'd like to understand that train of though though....that Martin inserted himself into Zimmerman's.

 

[TobiasFunke]

He reported that Martin had his hand in his waistband, not that he had something rather large in his pocket.

Zimmerman found it odd, he reported it. If he wouldn't have reported it, he would go against the purpose of the Neighborhood watch program.

Apparently I spend the majority of my weekend afternoons sitting on the couch watching sports and being odd.

If the police come knocking and you haven't broken any laws. You're good.

Excellent. I've already dreamed of living in a world where the police come knocking if I put my hands in my pants. America, #### Yeah!

 

[SacramentoBob]

He reported that Martin had his hand in his waistband, not that he had something rather large in his pocket.

He reported Trayvon had "something rather large in his pocket"? Are you trying to get someone banned?

I'm gonna let that one pass, and instead simply note that there is nothing unusual about iced tea and skittles or anything one might reasonably mistake iced tea or skittles for. In order for Zimmerman to think there is something unusual or suspicious about that, he (once again!) has to be either an idiot or a racist. Only question is which one.

Zimmerman found it odd, he reported it. If he wouldn't have reported it, he would go against the purpose of the Neighborhood watch program.

Yes, Zimmerman saw something he thought was suspicious. That part is not in dispute. It's a pretty big leap from that to "well he didn't report that he saw him on the street or sidewalk, so he must've been somewhere else", considering how thorough he had been up to that point to describe what he was seeing.

 

[The Commish]

I just want to say that I stick by that statement. Martin was walking home from the store and now he's dead because Zimmerman and his gun inserted themselves into his life. Who swung first, who was on top of who, and who was screaming don't matter to me at all.

Noted

I don't agree with PlasmaDogPlasma. It matters very much to me who screamed. I will say right now that if it were somehow proven that George Zimmerman was the one screaming, he is very likely innocent of any crime, as he probably considered his life was threatened. The fact that he precipitated the confrontation is irrelevant to me. On the other hand, if Trayvon was screaming I think that, while it's still very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, you have to figure from common sense that Zimmerman committed a crime here, at least manslaughter, possible murder. It just doesn't make sense that Zimmerman believed his life is threatened and Martin is the one screaming.

So the screaming to me is a central issue that will decide this case, at least in my own mind.

This is a bizarre line to draw, but I can't say I'm surprised. The logical line would probably be where Zimmerman inserted himself and his gun into this kid's life wouldn't it?

Not necessarily. A crime occurs when it occurs. Let me give you an analogy- not sure how well this works. Suppose a woman meets a guy in a bar, and invites her home to have sex with her. They go to her home. They make out. They undress. He gets on top of her, and suddenly she decides that she's changed her mind, she doesn't want to have sex. He ignores her change of mind, he forces himself in anyhow. Legally this is rape. It doesn't matter that the girl invited the guy home, undressed, and got into that position. The second she changes her mind and informs him that she does not wish to have sex, it becomes rape. Even if she engages in sex, and during the sex decides that she wants to stop but he won't stop and forces her to continue, that's rape as well. Of course, these things are often very difficult to prove. But that doesn't change the law.

The principle here is that no matter what might precipitate an action, the action itself is what's at issue. Even if Zimmerman acted stupidly and followed Martin with a gun, IF at any point Zimmerman truly believed his life was threatened, then he is justified in shooting Martin. What Zimmerman did to precipitate this confrontation should not matter.

Now, as it happens, I have a really hard time believing Zimmerman's life was threatened. So far, there is absolutely no evidence of that.

It doesn't work at all You said that the "who" was important with regards to screaming to help determine who's innocent or guilty. I have no idea what your analogy does to support that assertion.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Just to stir the pot a little more......For those of you who say Zimmerman should have done whatever he was told on the phone by the police, here's a case where someone did:

Denver 911 operator mishandled road-rage call after which man was fatally shot, official saysPosted: 04/03/2012 01:00:00 AM MDTUpdated: 04/03/2012 08:22:39 AM MDTBy Tom McGheeThe Denver PostA Denver 911 operator was mistaken when he told a motorist to return to the area where he and his companions had been threatened in a road-rage incident — moments before a fatal shooting, the head of the city's emergency phone system acknowledged Monday.Jimma Reat, a 24-year-old Sudanese refugee, died in the incident.Reat and three companions had safely returned to his Wheat Ridge apartment and called 911 to report the altercation early Sunday when the 911 operator instructed them to drive back to Denver and wait for a police officer.While they waited, a Jeep that had been involved in the earlier incident appeared and someone opened fire, killing Reat."The call transpired very quickly," said Carl Simpson, executive director of Denver 911. "It got sideways very quickly. I am deeply saddened by the events that transpired. This call left me very saddened for the family."Of the operator, Simpson said: "I do know he didn't follow procedures."The operator, who will be placed on leave while an investigation of his actions is underway, has been in the position for two years, Simpson said. He didn't name the man, who failed to dispatch a police officer for about four minutes after one of Reat's brothers told him that a carload of men, one of them flourishing a gun, threatened them, according to a timeline of the incident provided by the Denver Manager of Safety's Office.The incident began after Reat, two of his brothers and a friend got into an altercation with a group of men in a red Jeep about 4 a.m. Sunday at Sheridan Boulevard and West 10th Avenue.Reat's brother, Gatwec Dengpathot, said the group had returned to the parking lot at Reat's apartment in Wheat Ridge after the altercation, during which someone threatened them with a gun."That is what really got me mad," Dengpathot said. "If they actually knew that there was a threat starting from 10th, why would they send the boys back to the other side of Denver. This is something that could have been avoided."My brother was a good, loving guy and he had no problem with anybody and he shouldn't have died that way."The operator told them to return to Denver, find a safe spot to park and wait for police. One of Reat's brothers, who was driving the Dodge Charger, was on a cellphone talking to the operator."He told the dispatcher that it isn't safe there," Dengpathot said. "We don't want to go there, that is where the problem happened, they were threatening us with a gun."But after a few moments, "they finally submitted to the (operator's) authority" and returned to West 29th Avenue, just east of Sheridan Boulevard, within Denver's border, Dengpathot said.They got out of the car and waited and then saw the red Jeep coming toward them."Jimma yelled out, 'Here comes those guys and they've got a gun,' " Dengpathot said. "Then four of them got out and one of them started firing."Instead of telling the brothers to come back to Denver, the operator should have collaborated with authorities in Wheat Ridge but didn't contact them, Simpson said. Had he done so, Wheat Ridge police could have responded to the apartment.Denver 911 operators do tell people to come back to Denver when they have been involved in a minor incident such as a fender-bender, Simpson said."I do know he didn't follow policies," Simpson said. "It does sound like he was following lower-level policies in a higher-level event."The original incident started at a traffic light as the group was driving north on Sheridan, at West 10th, when the Jeep rolled up beside the Charger, and the men inside started to call them "names using the N-word," Dengpathot said.The men, he said, got out of the Jeep and threw beer bottles, breaking the Charger's rear window. Reat's brother called 911 at 4:12 a.m., according to the timeline.Reat and his companions followed the Jeep while the brother stayed on the phone to give the operator information and license plate information. When the Jeep sped up, they gave up the pursuit and headed to Reat's apartment a few blocks away in Wheat Ridge.At the dispatcher's behest, they returned to 29th at Sheridan, and at 4:25 a.m. the dispatcher assigned a police officer to the call.About two minutes later, the dispatcher called for an ambulance."This is my organization, and I take responsibility," Simpson said.Tom McGhee: 303-954-1671 or tmcghee@denverpost.com

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20311925/denver-911-operator-mishandled-road-rage-call-after

 

[SacramentoBob]

Not sure what the controversy is here. Almost anytime there's a crime, the perp gets an unflattering photo and the victim gets a flattering photo. Let me know when you start your crusade against showing black perps in the worst light possible when being presented in the media and to let the police do their job before we jump to conclusions.

Portrayal of the Oakland shooter:http://media.mugshots.com/thumbs/gallery/images/6e/8c/One-Goh-mugshot-11788691.400x800.jpgPortrayal of the victims:http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1055471.1333543171!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_200/image.jpgPortrayal of the VT teacher murdered and her killers:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/snow-plow-driver-charged-in-death-vermont-teacher-wanted-to-get-girl-police-say/Here's a portrayal of a man accused of killing his GF and the victim:http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Benjamin%20and%20Kayla.pngMEDIA CONSPIRACY!!

 

[humpback]

Not sure what the controversy is here. Almost anytime there's a crime, the perp gets an unflattering photo and the victim gets a flattering photo. Let me know when you start your crusade against showing black perps in the worst light possible when being presented in the media and to let the police do their job before we jump to conclusions.

Portrayal of the Oakland shooter:http://media.mugshots.com/thumbs/gallery/images/6e/8c/One-Goh-mugshot-11788691.400x800.jpgPortrayal of the victims:http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1055471.1333543171!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_200/image.jpgPortrayal of the VT teacher murdered and her killers:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/snow-plow-driver-charged-in-death-vermont-teacher-wanted-to-get-girl-police-say/Here's a portrayal of a man accused of killing his GF and the victim:http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Benjamin%20and%20Kayla.pngMEDIA CONSPIRACY!!

Why do you keep posting this? Let's completely ignore the fact that we still don't know if a crime was committed here and go with your theory on the photos- are those pictures you posted outdated like these ones were? I'm not saying conspiracy by any stretch, but they were very misleading, and had people saying things like "how could he have felt threatened, he outweighs him by over 100 lbs.", which is obviously false. It's part of the reason why it will be difficult to get an impartial jury.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I just want to say that I stick by that statement. Martin was walking home from the store and now he's dead because Zimmerman and his gun inserted themselves into his life. Who swung first, who was on top of who, and who was screaming don't matter to me at all.

Noted

I don't agree with PlasmaDogPlasma. It matters very much to me who screamed. I will say right now that if it were somehow proven that George Zimmerman was the one screaming, he is very likely innocent of any crime, as he probably considered his life was threatened. The fact that he precipitated the confrontation is irrelevant to me. On the other hand, if Trayvon was screaming I think that, while it's still very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, you have to figure from common sense that Zimmerman committed a crime here, at least manslaughter, possible murder. It just doesn't make sense that Zimmerman believed his life is threatened and Martin is the one screaming.

So the screaming to me is a central issue that will decide this case, at least in my own mind.

If this is true. I am curious to hear your opinion on my post before this one. Post 6849.

I don't really care much about the Neighborhood Watch guidelines and whether Zimmerman followed them. If a man with a gun follows an unarmed man and the result is the death of the unarmed man by shooting, the burden of proof is on the gunman to show that he was threatened in some way. If I don't see evidence of that (and in this case there is none) I'm going to be pretty sure that the guy with the gun is at fault.

The guidlines helps Zimmerman's credibility to his story. If he is the one screaming for help and follows this protocol to the "T", it makes his story more believable IMO. At first people were in an uproar that he was carrying or followed Trayvon. No where in the guidelines of the official Sanford police watch program does it say not too.

There was a video of not a scratch on Zimmerman. At that time people came to the conclusion that Zimmerman's story was BS. A week later there is a report that he was in fact treated at the scene and there were photos taken of his injury. Now the conversation turns immediately to the screams for help as Trayvon's.

We have some evidence that Zimmerman was on the bottom of a struggle. I have a hard time seeing Trayvon screaming for help while having Zimmerman pinned to the ground. Especially when the guidelines for the watch program says to scream for help to gain attention to the area and get the police to the scene.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

Where does that tell you to scream for help? It says to call the cops if you hear somebody, not to scream yourself.

 

[Neofight]

I just want to say that I stick by that statement. Martin was walking home from the store and now he's dead because Zimmerman and his gun inserted themselves into his life. Who swung first, who was on top of who, and who was screaming don't matter to me at all.

Noted

I don't agree with PlasmaDogPlasma. It matters very much to me who screamed. I will say right now that if it were somehow proven that George Zimmerman was the one screaming, he is very likely innocent of any crime, as he probably considered his life was threatened. The fact that he precipitated the confrontation is irrelevant to me. On the other hand, if Trayvon was screaming I think that, while it's still very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, you have to figure from common sense that Zimmerman committed a crime here, at least manslaughter, possible murder. It just doesn't make sense that Zimmerman believed his life is threatened and Martin is the one screaming.

So the screaming to me is a central issue that will decide this case, at least in my own mind.

If this is true. I am curious to hear your opinion on my post before this one. Post 6849.

I don't really care much about the Neighborhood Watch guidelines and whether Zimmerman followed them. If a man with a gun follows an unarmed man and the result is the death of the unarmed man by shooting, the burden of proof is on the gunman to show that he was threatened in some way. If I don't see evidence of that (and in this case there is none) I'm going to be pretty sure that the guy with the gun is at fault.

The guidlines helps Zimmerman's credibility to his story. If he is the one screaming for help and follows this protocol to the "T", it makes his story more believable IMO. At first people were in an uproar that he was carrying or followed Trayvon. No where in the guidelines of the official Sanford police watch program does it say not too.

There was a video of not a scratch on Zimmerman. At that time people came to the conclusion that Zimmerman's story was BS. A week later there is a report that he was in fact treated at the scene and there were photos taken of his injury. Now the conversation turns immediately to the screams for help as Trayvon's.

We have some evidence that Zimmerman was on the bottom of a struggle. I have a hard time seeing Trayvon screaming for help while having Zimmerman pinned to the ground. Especially when the guidelines for the watch program says to scream for help to gain attention to the area and get the police to the scene.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

Where does that tell you to scream for help? It says to call the cops if you hear somebody, not to scream yourself.

More to the point, it doesn't tell you to muffle someone else's screams with your Kel-Tec PF-9.

 

[Fennis]

Why do you keep posting this? Let's completely ignore the fact that we still don't know if a crime was committed here and go with your theory on the photos- are those pictures you posted outdated like these ones were? I'm not saying conspiracy by any stretch, but they were very misleading, and had people saying things like "how could he have felt threatened, he outweighs him by over 100 lbs.", which is obviously false. It's part of the reason why it will be difficult to get an impartial jury.

skinny zimmerman could kick fat zimmerman's ###.

 

[humpback]

Why do you keep posting this? Let's completely ignore the fact that we still don't know if a crime was committed here and go with your theory on the photos- are those pictures you posted outdated like these ones were? I'm not saying conspiracy by any stretch, but they were very misleading, and had people saying things like "how could he have felt threatened, he outweighs him by over 100 lbs.", which is obviously false. It's part of the reason why it will be difficult to get an impartial jury.

skinny zimmerman could kick fat zimmerman's ###.

Okay.

 

[Christo]

Not sure what the controversy is here. Almost anytime there's a crime, the perp gets an unflattering photo and the victim gets a flattering photo. Let me know when you start your crusade against showing black perps in the worst light possible when being presented in the media and to let the police do their job before we jump to conclusions.

Bump.

Whole lotta :whoosh: here. First, it's not unflattering photos that are the issue. Second, no one's saying a particular picture can't be used if that's all the media has. It's the media insisting upon continuing to use inaccurate photos once more realistic photos have come to light--for both the victim and suspect.

 

[Christo]

To expand on this:something my wife's aunt told me several years ago: according to studies that the networks do, if a viewer in his living room has a remote control and is fllipping channels (these days, this is not at random; the viewer has about a dozen or less channels that he watches on a regular basis and will flip between these to see what's on) he makes his decision about whether to stay on a channel in just a few seconds- that's it! That's why so many shows have logos at the bottom of the screen telling you what show you're watching today. And that's why, in the case of news shows, you will see a photograph behind (or alongside, as in split screen) the speaker that you instantly recognize. If you don't instantly recognize the photo, it's often too late; you're more likely to change the channel than you are to stay and figure out what's going on.

So again: Christo is wrong. The others who agree with him are wrong. Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives who keep bringing this issue up are wrong. The photos have nothing to do with shaping editorial comment, or public opinion. They have everything to do with familiarilty.

Convenient excuse.

 

[Christo]

Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume

the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

"Don't Hesitate to Call"

Reporting is the first step in

helping to stop crime.

You are making your

neighborhood a safer place

If the situation is routine, not

life threatening, then call the

non-emergency number,

688-5199. Remember: if you

are in doubt, call 911.

for you and your family

DO NOT

DELAY REPORTING. A few minutes

delay is enough time to reduce the chances of

ever catching the criminal. No exceptions to

this rule insures that:

I'm not saying everything Zimmerman did was right, but it seems to me he knew:1. to call the nonemergency number as Trayvon wasn't a threat at the start.

2. He says he got out of his car to tell the operator what corner he was on.

3. to scream for "help" when in trouble.

4. He frequently made calls for any suspicious activity including things listed on the site.

5. He talked to his neighbors frequently, so he knew them. Trayvon was not from his neighborhood.

6. It has been reported that he handed out fliers making people aware.

I read the entire thing and no where did it recommend to not carry a weapon. It does say not to get physically involved or not to apprehend the person. However, nowhere did I read that you should not follow the person to report activity.

Zimmerman seemed to follow this pretty throughly. Did he try to physically apprehend Trayvon? Maybe, that is where there is no facts to the case, but for someone so involved in this program. He should have known his limits as a watch person well.

Again, Not saying what Zimmerman is saying, or what is reported as what he is saying is fact. But does seem to follow this website for Neighborhood watch from the police department.

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

 

[ATC1]

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

SCREAMS FOR HELPAlways assume the scream is real and someone desperatelyneeds help. Quickly try to determine thelocation, source and nature of the scream andimmediately call the police. Heroes can bewounded or killed. Remember thatapprehension is the job of your policedepartment.

Where does that tell you to scream for help? It says to call the cops if you hear somebody, not to scream yourself.

***I can only speculate***I assume there is more than one member of the neighborhood watch then Zimmerman in the neighborhood. Zimmerman screamed for help for others to hear him and witness what was happening and call 911. Well it worked. There were multiple calls to 911 and a couple of witnesses, some we might not know about...thus keeping him from being arrested.

 

[Christo]

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

Link to where Zimmerman became physically involved or apprehended Trayvon before being attacked?

Trayvon's dead. Following him was physical involvement. These facts are not disputed by anyone.

And people were @ me for saying playing football means you have a history of violence.

 

[Christo]

Not sure what the controversy is here. Almost anytime there's a crime, the perp gets an unflattering photo and the victim gets a flattering photo. Let me know when you start your crusade against showing black perps in the worst light possible when being presented in the media and to let the police do their job before we jump to conclusions.

Bump.

Whole lotta :whoosh: here. First, it's not unflattering photos that are the issue. Second, no one's saying a particular picture can't be used if that's all the media has. It's the media insisting upon continuing to use inaccurate photos once more realistic photos have come to light--for both the victim and suspect.

You've already been corrected that they do it for journalism purposes.

Marketing. In other words they ditch journalism for

 

[TexanFan02]

Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume

the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

"Don't Hesitate to Call"

Reporting is the first step in

helping to stop crime.

You are making your

neighborhood a safer place

If the situation is routine, not

life threatening, then call the

non-emergency number,

688-5199. Remember: if you

are in doubt, call 911.

for you and your family

DO NOT

DELAY REPORTING. A few minutes

delay is enough time to reduce the chances of

ever catching the criminal. No exceptions to

this rule insures that:

I'm not saying everything Zimmerman did was right, but it seems to me he knew:1. to call the nonemergency number as Trayvon wasn't a threat at the start.

2. He says he got out of his car to tell the operator what corner he was on.

3. to scream for "help" when in trouble.

4. He frequently made calls for any suspicious activity including things listed on the site.

5. He talked to his neighbors frequently, so he knew them. Trayvon was not from his neighborhood.

6. It has been reported that he handed out fliers making people aware.

I read the entire thing and no where did it recommend to not carry a weapon. It does say not to get physically involved or not to apprehend the person. However, nowhere did I read that you should not follow the person to report activity.

Zimmerman seemed to follow this pretty throughly. Did he try to physically apprehend Trayvon? Maybe, that is where there is no facts to the case, but for someone so involved in this program. He should have known his limits as a watch person well.

Again, Not saying what Zimmerman is saying, or what is reported as what he is saying is fact. But does seem to follow this website for Neighborhood watch from the police department.

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

You mean Zimmerman's story?

 

[parasaurolophus]

To expand on this:something my wife's aunt told me several years ago: according to studies that the networks do, if a viewer in his living room has a remote control and is fllipping channels (these days, this is not at random; the viewer has about a dozen or less channels that he watches on a regular basis and will flip between these to see what's on) he makes his decision about whether to stay on a channel in just a few seconds- that's it! That's why so many shows have logos at the bottom of the screen telling you what show you're watching today. And that's why, in the case of news shows, you will see a photograph behind (or alongside, as in split screen) the speaker that you instantly recognize. If you don't instantly recognize the photo, it's often too late; you're more likely to change the channel than you are to stay and figure out what's going on.

So again: Christo is wrong. The others who agree with him are wrong. Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives who keep bringing this issue up are wrong. The photos have nothing to do with shaping editorial comment, or public opinion. They have everything to do with familiarilty.

Convenient excuse.

I like it when Tim makes up fake stories.

 

[Christo]

Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume

the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

"Don't Hesitate to Call"

Reporting is the first step in

helping to stop crime.

You are making your

neighborhood a safer place

If the situation is routine, not

life threatening, then call the

non-emergency number,

688-5199. Remember: if you

are in doubt, call 911.

for you and your family

DO NOT

DELAY REPORTING. A few minutes

delay is enough time to reduce the chances of

ever catching the criminal. No exceptions to

this rule insures that:

I'm not saying everything Zimmerman did was right, but it seems to me he knew:1. to call the nonemergency number as Trayvon wasn't a threat at the start.

2. He says he got out of his car to tell the operator what corner he was on.

3. to scream for "help" when in trouble.

4. He frequently made calls for any suspicious activity including things listed on the site.

5. He talked to his neighbors frequently, so he knew them. Trayvon was not from his neighborhood.

6. It has been reported that he handed out fliers making people aware.

I read the entire thing and no where did it recommend to not carry a weapon. It does say not to get physically involved or not to apprehend the person. However, nowhere did I read that you should not follow the person to report activity.

Zimmerman seemed to follow this pretty throughly. Did he try to physically apprehend Trayvon? Maybe, that is where there is no facts to the case, but for someone so involved in this program. He should have known his limits as a watch person well.

Again, Not saying what Zimmerman is saying, or what is reported as what he is saying is fact. But does seem to follow this website for Neighborhood watch from the police department.

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

You mean Zimmerman's story?

Did he give an interview today?

 

[Christo]

To expand on this:something my wife's aunt told me several years ago: according to studies that the networks do, if a viewer in his living room has a remote control and is fllipping channels (these days, this is not at random; the viewer has about a dozen or less channels that he watches on a regular basis and will flip between these to see what's on) he makes his decision about whether to stay on a channel in just a few seconds- that's it! That's why so many shows have logos at the bottom of the screen telling you what show you're watching today. And that's why, in the case of news shows, you will see a photograph behind (or alongside, as in split screen) the speaker that you instantly recognize. If you don't instantly recognize the photo, it's often too late; you're more likely to change the channel than you are to stay and figure out what's going on.

So again: Christo is wrong. The others who agree with him are wrong. Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives who keep bringing this issue up are wrong. The photos have nothing to do with shaping editorial comment, or public opinion. They have everything to do with familiarilty.

Convenient excuse.

I like it when Tim makes up fake stories.

The only thing missing was the race of his wife's aunt.

 

[TexanFan02]

Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume

the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

"Don't Hesitate to Call"

Reporting is the first step in

helping to stop crime.

You are making your

neighborhood a safer place

If the situation is routine, not

life threatening, then call the

non-emergency number,

688-5199. Remember: if you

are in doubt, call 911.

for you and your family

DO NOT

DELAY REPORTING. A few minutes

delay is enough time to reduce the chances of

ever catching the criminal. No exceptions to

this rule insures that:

I'm not saying everything Zimmerman did was right, but it seems to me he knew:1. to call the nonemergency number as Trayvon wasn't a threat at the start.

2. He says he got out of his car to tell the operator what corner he was on.

3. to scream for "help" when in trouble.

4. He frequently made calls for any suspicious activity including things listed on the site.

5. He talked to his neighbors frequently, so he knew them. Trayvon was not from his neighborhood.

6. It has been reported that he handed out fliers making people aware.

I read the entire thing and no where did it recommend to not carry a weapon. It does say not to get physically involved or not to apprehend the person. However, nowhere did I read that you should not follow the person to report activity.

Zimmerman seemed to follow this pretty throughly. Did he try to physically apprehend Trayvon? Maybe, that is where there is no facts to the case, but for someone so involved in this program. He should have known his limits as a watch person well.

Again, Not saying what Zimmerman is saying, or what is reported as what he is saying is fact. But does seem to follow this website for Neighborhood watch from the police department.

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

You mean Zimmerman's story?

Did he give an interview today?

I've only ever heard that "story" attributed to Zimmerman.

 

[jonessed]

To expand on this:something my wife's aunt told me several years ago: according to studies that the networks do, if a viewer in his living room has a remote control and is fllipping channels (these days, this is not at random; the viewer has about a dozen or less channels that he watches on a regular basis and will flip between these to see what's on) he makes his decision about whether to stay on a channel in just a few seconds- that's it! That's why so many shows have logos at the bottom of the screen telling you what show you're watching today. And that's why, in the case of news shows, you will see a photograph behind (or alongside, as in split screen) the speaker that you instantly recognize. If you don't instantly recognize the photo, it's often too late; you're more likely to change the channel than you are to stay and figure out what's going on.

So again: Christo is wrong. The others who agree with him are wrong. Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives who keep bringing this issue up are wrong. The photos have nothing to do with shaping editorial comment, or public opinion. They have everything to do with familiarilty.

Convenient excuse.

I like it when Tim makes up fake stories.

The only thing missing was the race of his wife's aunt.

He cracks me up. Flexibility for him is changing what he is 100% positive about on a regular basis.

 

[Christo]

Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume

the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

"Don't Hesitate to Call"

Reporting is the first step in

helping to stop crime.

You are making your

neighborhood a safer place

If the situation is routine, not

life threatening, then call the

non-emergency number,

688-5199. Remember: if you

are in doubt, call 911.

for you and your family

DO NOT

DELAY REPORTING. A few minutes

delay is enough time to reduce the chances of

ever catching the criminal. No exceptions to

this rule insures that:

I'm not saying everything Zimmerman did was right, but it seems to me he knew:1. to call the nonemergency number as Trayvon wasn't a threat at the start.

2. He says he got out of his car to tell the operator what corner he was on.

3. to scream for "help" when in trouble.

4. He frequently made calls for any suspicious activity including things listed on the site.

5. He talked to his neighbors frequently, so he knew them. Trayvon was not from his neighborhood.

6. It has been reported that he handed out fliers making people aware.

I read the entire thing and no where did it recommend to not carry a weapon. It does say not to get physically involved or not to apprehend the person. However, nowhere did I read that you should not follow the person to report activity.

Zimmerman seemed to follow this pretty throughly. Did he try to physically apprehend Trayvon? Maybe, that is where there is no facts to the case, but for someone so involved in this program. He should have known his limits as a watch person well.

Again, Not saying what Zimmerman is saying, or what is reported as what he is saying is fact. But does seem to follow this website for Neighborhood watch from the police department.

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

You mean Zimmerman's story?

Did he give an interview today?

I've only ever heard that "story" attributed to Zimmerman.

I've seen it in a few different articles.

 

[TexanFan02]

Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume

the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

"Don't Hesitate to Call"

Reporting is the first step in

helping to stop crime.

You are making your

neighborhood a safer place

If the situation is routine, not

life threatening, then call the

non-emergency number,

688-5199. Remember: if you

are in doubt, call 911.

for you and your family

DO NOT

DELAY REPORTING. A few minutes

delay is enough time to reduce the chances of

ever catching the criminal. No exceptions to

this rule insures that:

I'm not saying everything Zimmerman did was right, but it seems to me he knew:1. to call the nonemergency number as Trayvon wasn't a threat at the start.

2. He says he got out of his car to tell the operator what corner he was on.

3. to scream for "help" when in trouble.

4. He frequently made calls for any suspicious activity including things listed on the site.

5. He talked to his neighbors frequently, so he knew them. Trayvon was not from his neighborhood.

6. It has been reported that he handed out fliers making people aware.

I read the entire thing and no where did it recommend to not carry a weapon. It does say not to get physically involved or not to apprehend the person. However, nowhere did I read that you should not follow the person to report activity.

Zimmerman seemed to follow this pretty throughly. Did he try to physically apprehend Trayvon? Maybe, that is where there is no facts to the case, but for someone so involved in this program. He should have known his limits as a watch person well.

Again, Not saying what Zimmerman is saying, or what is reported as what he is saying is fact. But does seem to follow this website for Neighborhood watch from the police department.

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

You mean Zimmerman's story?

Did he give an interview today?

I've only ever heard that "story" attributed to Zimmerman.

I've seen it in a few different articles.

Attributed to Zimmerman.

 

[Christo]

Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume

the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

"Don't Hesitate to Call"

Reporting is the first step in

helping to stop crime.

You are making your

neighborhood a safer place

If the situation is routine, not

life threatening, then call the

non-emergency number,

688-5199. Remember: if you

are in doubt, call 911.

for you and your family

DO NOT

DELAY REPORTING. A few minutes

delay is enough time to reduce the chances of

ever catching the criminal. No exceptions to

this rule insures that:

I'm not saying everything Zimmerman did was right, but it seems to me he knew:1. to call the nonemergency number as Trayvon wasn't a threat at the start.

2. He says he got out of his car to tell the operator what corner he was on.

3. to scream for "help" when in trouble.

4. He frequently made calls for any suspicious activity including things listed on the site.

5. He talked to his neighbors frequently, so he knew them. Trayvon was not from his neighborhood.

6. It has been reported that he handed out fliers making people aware.

I read the entire thing and no where did it recommend to not carry a weapon. It does say not to get physically involved or not to apprehend the person. However, nowhere did I read that you should not follow the person to report activity.

Zimmerman seemed to follow this pretty throughly. Did he try to physically apprehend Trayvon? Maybe, that is where there is no facts to the case, but for someone so involved in this program. He should have known his limits as a watch person well.

Again, Not saying what Zimmerman is saying, or what is reported as what he is saying is fact. But does seem to follow this website for Neighborhood watch from the police department.

What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or

apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Oops.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

You mean Zimmerman's story?

Did he give an interview today?

I've only ever heard that "story" attributed to Zimmerman.

I've seen it in a few different articles.

Attributed to Zimmerman.

In multiple stories.

 

[fatness]

Chief Lee had resisted Crump's requests to make the tapes public, but he was overruled by Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. On the night of Friday, March 16, Triplett invited Trayvon Martin's parents and their legal team into his office to listen to each of the calls, which he played on his computer.

"When we got to the cries for help, that was when Sybrina burst into tears," recalled Jackson. "She said, 'That's Trayvon. That's our son.' She ran out of the room crying." (Zimmerman's brother, Robert, would later swear the voice belonged to George.)

This would seem to go against the police account of Tracy Martin being unsure of whose voice it was on that recording. Strange this wasn't brought to light before.

The police version was that Dad said it was not his son's voice. So there's even more of a conflict than what you mention.

Police also said that Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, told them the voice pleading for help was not Trayvon.

link

 

[GDogg]

I just want to say that I stick by that statement. Martin was walking home from the store and now he's dead because Zimmerman and his gun inserted themselves into his life. Who swung first, who was on top of who, and who was screaming don't matter to me at all.

Noted

I don't agree with PlasmaDogPlasma. It matters very much to me who screamed. I will say right now that if it were somehow proven that George Zimmerman was the one screaming, he is very likely innocent of any crime, as he probably considered his life was threatened. The fact that he precipitated the confrontation is irrelevant to me. On the other hand, if Trayvon was screaming I think that, while it's still very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, you have to figure from common sense that Zimmerman committed a crime here, at least manslaughter, possible murder. It just doesn't make sense that Zimmerman believed his life is threatened and Martin is the one screaming.

So the screaming to me is a central issue that will decide this case, at least in my own mind.

If this is true. I am curious to hear your opinion on my post before this one. Post 6849.

I don't really care much about the Neighborhood Watch guidelines and whether Zimmerman followed them. If a man with a gun follows an unarmed man and the result is the death of the unarmed man by shooting, the burden of proof is on the gunman to show that he was threatened in some way. If I don't see evidence of that (and in this case there is none) I'm going to be pretty sure that the guy with the gun is at fault.

The guidlines helps Zimmerman's credibility to his story. If he is the one screaming for help and follows this protocol to the "T", it makes his story more believable IMO. At first people were in an uproar that he was carrying or followed Trayvon. No where in the guidelines of the official Sanford police watch program does it say not too.

There was a video of not a scratch on Zimmerman. At that time people came to the conclusion that Zimmerman's story was BS. A week later there is a report that he was in fact treated at the scene and there were photos taken of his injury. Now the conversation turns immediately to the screams for help as Trayvon's.

We have some evidence that Zimmerman was on the bottom of a struggle. I have a hard time seeing Trayvon screaming for help while having Zimmerman pinned to the ground. Especially when the guidelines for the watch program says to scream for help to gain attention to the area and get the police to the scene.

That's not included in the portion you copied. It doesn't say anything about screaming for help to gain attention. It says to assume that someone else's screams for help are real and to act on them by calling the police.Is this written somewhere else?

 

[fatness]

Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program

SCREAMS FOR HELP

Always assume

the scream is real and someone desperately

needs help. Quickly try to determine the

location, source and nature of the scream and

immediately call the police. Heroes can be

wounded or killed. Remember that

apprehension is the job of your police

department.

"Don't Hesitate to Call"

Reporting is the first step in

helping to stop crime.

You are making your

neighborhood a safer place

If the situation is routine, not

life threatening, then call the

non-emergency number,

688-5199. Remember: if you

are in doubt, call 911.

for you and your family

DO NOT

DELAY REPORTING. A few minutes

delay is enough time to reduce the chances of

ever catching the criminal. No exceptions to

this rule insures that:

I'm not saying everything Zimmerman did was right, but it seems to me he knew:1. to call the nonemergency number as Trayvon wasn't a threat at the start.

2. He says he got out of his car to tell the operator what corner he was on.

3. to scream for "help" when in trouble.

4. He frequently made calls for any suspicious activity including things listed on the site.

5. He talked to his neighbors frequently, so he knew them. Trayvon was not from his neighborhood.

6. It has been reported that he handed out fliers making people aware.

I read the entire thing and no where did it recommend to not carry a weapon. It does say not to get physically involved or not to apprehend the person. However, nowhere did I read that you should not follow the person to report activity.

Zimmerman seemed to follow this pretty throughly. Did he try to physically apprehend Trayvon? Maybe, that is where there is no facts to the case, but for someone so involved in this program. He should have known his limits as a watch person well.

Again, Not saying what Zimmerman is saying, or what is reported as what he is saying is fact. But does seem to follow this website for Neighborhood watch from the police department.

It doesn't seem like he was familiar with the list of suspicious activities.

Time is critical in apprehending criminals. The

following is a list of suspicious activities and the criminal activity that might be

happening:

 Gathering (loitering) for an extended or

unusual period of time.

Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.

 Behaving strangely.

Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.

 With any sort of weapon(s).

Possibly planning any number of crimes.

 Carrying, concealing or transporting

anything unusual.

Possible burglar carrying stolen property.

 Looking into cars.

Possibly casing cars for theft of car or its

contents.

 Selling or conducting business on a street

corner, park or other place where business is

not licensed.

 Running, especially if carrying something of

value.

Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.

 Creating any type of disturbance

Disturbing the Peace or covering up noise of

some other activity.

 Going door to door, especially if someone

goes to the rear of the residence.

Possibly casing the neighborhood.

 Loiters around schools, parks or on your

street.

Possible burglar, sex offense, drugs or arson.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Glad to see we're breaking down the Neighborhood Watch code. Now we're really getting to the bottom of this.

 

[ATC1]

Glad to see we're breaking down the Neighborhood Watch code. Now we're really getting to the bottom of this.

Or we can let the media tell us...

 

[fatness]

Read the link and then tell me that the police say not to report as soon as anything seems questionable. Trayvon was not from around there. Zimmerman reports him neither on the street or the sidewalk. He is suspicious.

In his phone call to police Zimmerman was in his car and described Martin as walking towards him.

 

[ATC1]

It doesn't seem like he was familiar with the list of suspicious activities.

Time is critical in apprehending criminals. The

following is a list of suspicious activities and the criminal activity that might be

happening:

 Gathering (loitering) for an extended or

unusual period of time.

Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.

 Behaving strangely.

Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.

 With any sort of weapon(s).

Possibly planning any number of crimes.

 Carrying, concealing or transporting

anything unusual.

Possible burglar carrying stolen property.

 Looking into cars.

Possibly casing cars for theft of car or its

contents. (Not cars, but houses)

 Selling or conducting business on a street

corner, park or other place where business is

not licensed.

 Running, especially if carrying something of

value.

Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.

 Creating any type of disturbance

Disturbing the Peace or covering up noise of

some other activity.

 Going door to door, especially if someone

goes to the rear of the residence.

Possibly casing the neighborhood.

 Loiters around schools, parks or on your

street.

Possible burglar, sex offense, drugs or arson.

All things bolded was recorded during the call Zimmerman made to report the suspicious person.

 

[SacramentoBob]

He was looking into cars, carrying something unusual and running before Zimmerman made the call?

 

[fatness]

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

There is only one story saying that -- George Zimmerman's story. It is repeated a lot, that one story.

 

[fatness]

It doesn't seem like he was familiar with the list of suspicious activities.

Time is critical in apprehending criminals. The

following is a list of suspicious activities and the criminal activity that might be

happening:

 Gathering (loitering) for an extended or

unusual period of time.

Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.

 Behaving strangely.

Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.

 With any sort of weapon(s).

Possibly planning any number of crimes.

 Carrying, concealing or transporting

anything unusual.

Possible burglar carrying stolen property.

 Looking into cars.

Possibly casing cars for theft of car or its

contents. (Not cars, but houses)

 Selling or conducting business on a street

corner, park or other place where business is

not licensed.

 Running, especially if carrying something of

value.

Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.

 Creating any type of disturbance

Disturbing the Peace or covering up noise of

some other activity.

 Going door to door, especially if someone

goes to the rear of the residence.

Possibly casing the neighborhood.

 Loiters around schools, parks or on your

street.

Possible burglar, sex offense, drugs or arson.

All things bolded was recorded during the call Zimmerman made to report the suspicious person.

OK, Hustler.

 

[Christo]

It doesn't seem like he was familiar with the list of suspicious activities.

Q: What is George Zimmerman's side of the story?

A: George Zimmerman has not spoken publicly. He told police that he spotted Martin as he was patrolling his neighborhood and called 911 to report a suspicious person.

"This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something," Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his sport utility vehicle. He added that the teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

"These a-------. They always get away," Zimmerman said on a 911 call.

A neighbor said there had been several break-ins in the community in the past year, including one in which burglars took a TV and laptops.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/questions-answers-neighborhood-shooting-16025675#.T3zhChFunl9

Time is critical in apprehending criminals. The

following is a list of suspicious activities and the criminal activity that might be

happening:

 Gathering (loitering) for an extended or

unusual period of time.

Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.

 Behaving strangely.

Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.

 With any sort of weapon(s).

Possibly planning any number of crimes.

 Carrying, concealing or transporting

anything unusual.

Possible burglar carrying stolen property.

 Looking into cars.

Possibly casing cars for theft of car or its

contents.

 Selling or conducting business on a street

corner, park or other place where business is

not licensed.

 Running, especially if carrying something of

value.

Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.

 Creating any type of disturbance

Disturbing the Peace or covering up noise of

some other activity.

 Going door to door, especially if someone

goes to the rear of the residence.

Possibly casing the neighborhood.

 Loiters around schools, parks or on your

street.

Possible burglar, sex offense, drugs or arson.

 

[GDogg]

It doesn't seem like he was familiar with the list of suspicious activities.

Time is critical in apprehending criminals. The

following is a list of suspicious activities and the criminal activity that might be

happening:

 Gathering (loitering) for an extended or

unusual period of time.

Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.

 Behaving strangely.

Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.

 With any sort of weapon(s).

Possibly planning any number of crimes.

 Carrying, concealing or transporting

anything unusual.

Possible burglar carrying stolen property.

 Looking into cars.

Possibly casing cars for theft of car or its

contents. (Not cars, but houses)

 Selling or conducting business on a street

corner, park or other place where business is

not licensed.

 Running, especially if carrying something of

value.

Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.

 Creating any type of disturbance

Disturbing the Peace or covering up noise of

some other activity.

 Going door to door, especially if someone

goes to the rear of the residence.

Possibly casing the neighborhood.

 Loiters around schools, parks or on your

street.

Possible burglar, sex offense, drugs or arson.

All things bolded was recorded during the call Zimmerman made to report the suspicious person.

Seriously? This is hilarious.He was looking into a car at Zimmerman who was following. He ran away from Zimmerman, who was following him. He was loitering? What did Zimmerman report he was carrying that was unusual?

Most of the things you bolded were things Zimmerman reported Martin was doing in response to Zimmerman while he was on the call. They weren't things that made Zimmerman suspicious to initiate the call.

 

[Christo]

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

There is only one story saying that -- George Zimmerman's story. It is repeated a lot, that one story.

 

[Chaos Commish]

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

There is only one story saying that -- George Zimmerman's story. It is repeated a lot, that one story.

That's not George Zimmerman's story. That's the story a police officer told a grief stricken Tracy Martin the day after the shooting was George's story. It seems to have suffered in translation. It's more likely George's actual story is the one where Trayvon approaches him from behind and left on the sidewalk between the buildings, and that was the first and basically final contact.

 

[Chaos Commish]

He was looking into cars, carrying something unusual and running before Zimmerman made the call?

Before Zimmerman made the call... what seems like the best information states that Zimmerman saw Trayvon in front of the clubhouse. The GF says Tray went under the awning there to get out of the rain. Makes sense, but to Zimmerman this was suspicious. So he stopped his car and watched Tray. Tray walked away from the black SUV acting suspicious which led him around the clubhouse to the central mailboxes. Zimmerman rounded the same corner, still driving and followed him past the first building, parked and made the call because Tray was not on the sidewalk but across the street behind some homes. If you look at the location of the next sidewalk where the shooting happened, what Tray was doing on the wrong side of the street behind homes makes sense. It was shorter not to use the sidewalk. To Zimmerman it was wandering around acting suspicious.

 

[Fennis]

Who will neighborhood watch the neighborhod watch?

 

[SacramentoBob]

He was looking into cars, carrying something unusual and running before Zimmerman made the call?

Before Zimmerman made the call... what seems like the best information states that Zimmerman saw Trayvon in front of the clubhouse. The GF says Tray went under the awning there to get out of the rain. Makes sense, but to Zimmerman this was suspicious. So he stopped his car and watched Tray. Tray walked away from the black SUV acting suspicious which led him around the clubhouse to the central mailboxes. Zimmerman rounded the same corner, still driving and followed him past the first building, parked and made the call because Tray was not on the sidewalk but across the street behind some homes. If you look at the location of the next sidewalk where the shooting happened, what Tray was doing on the wrong side of the street behind homes makes sense. It was shorter not to use the sidewalk. To Zimmerman it was wandering around acting suspicious.

So he wasn't doing those things I listed.