Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

So maybe we need to start a new thread to discuss the case without the lame race issue dominating a once compelling discussion.

Relax. I've said all I'm going to say about race, at least for now. I don't consider it a lame issue, but I don't see the need to repeat myself. It's out there. People know what I think, I know what they think, there's no need to go on and on about it. At least not for me.

On the other hand, the main reason that the last several pages of this thread have been more about race than any other aspect of this case is that there is no new news to report. We have no idea what, if anything is going on behind the scenes. When news come in that have legal implication, no doubt that will be the main topic again.

But we've goine round and round on the racial aspect. I realize most of you are sick and tired of talking about it. I know I am. Let's agree to disagree and move on.

A noble idea, but the bolded will most likely be impossible.

Quite possibly.

 

[The Commish]

Tim,

Your problem is with absolutes. Do you think police in small towns that have a 95% black population, as well as 95% black police force, harass blacks? There's probably a wide variety of harassment levels, ranging from none to let's make stuff up to convict the black man, depending on the police department you check out. If you asked most people they'd say that if you find a pattern of harassment by a police department it should be investigated and eradicated, as happened with the Rampart division of the LAPD back in 1996. Right now the Fullerton police department is taking a lot of heat for the murder of a homeless man and an apparent pattern of corruption. And that applies to harassment of whites, blacks, or any other color or group. But when you make blanket statements about ALL police officers and/or departments you insult both. And those are the people that put their lives on the line every day to make your community safe for you to live in. It's disgusting to me, quite honestly.

You make reasonable points here. I think the reason I tend to use absolutes in this discussion is because there are so many people here (and elsewhere) who reject the whole notion that blacks are, in general, treated differently by the police in this country. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems like every time an eception is raised, it is in order to discount the idea in the first place. I have yet to meet a single black person, or watch one on television, or read one, that has denied unequal treatment by police. This applies to blacks of all political convictions. It seems as if every teenage or adult black person in this country can relate some story about them being stopped, harrassed, made to answer questions which a white person would not. Of course this doesn't mean that all police do this, or that all police forces are equal. But I'm not going to discuss these nuances with you, until you're willing to accept my general premise that blacks are, as a rule, not treated the same. Until you, and others here, are willing to accept that as reality, I find the use of absolutes for discussion purposes sadly appropriate.

Show us evidence of this in this thread please.

 

[The Commish]

You're right. I DON"T care about genuine discussion about when I bring up race. In fact it bores me. I was trying to lighten the mood.

You're doing it wrong and failing miserably all while cluttering up a perfectly good thread. This is why I asked if you wouldn't mind taking it elsewhere.

 

[The Commish]

Over/Under for Tim to bring up race, 4 hours.

It should have been minutes and I take the under comfortably in both wagers.

 

[The Commish]

So maybe we need to start a new thread to discuss the case without the lame race issue dominating a once compelling discussion.

Nothing interesting is going to happen between now and the 10th. That's why the thread has taken the turn it has. It's just people talking to fill up space.

We'll see. I don't mind starting a thread to discuss the legal aspects of the case if it's warranted. That might be the best option.

 

[timschochet]

Tim,

Your problem is with absolutes. Do you think police in small towns that have a 95% black population, as well as 95% black police force, harass blacks? There's probably a wide variety of harassment levels, ranging from none to let's make stuff up to convict the black man, depending on the police department you check out. If you asked most people they'd say that if you find a pattern of harassment by a police department it should be investigated and eradicated, as happened with the Rampart division of the LAPD back in 1996. Right now the Fullerton police department is taking a lot of heat for the murder of a homeless man and an apparent pattern of corruption. And that applies to harassment of whites, blacks, or any other color or group. But when you make blanket statements about ALL police officers and/or departments you insult both. And those are the people that put their lives on the line every day to make your community safe for you to live in. It's disgusting to me, quite honestly.

You make reasonable points here. I think the reason I tend to use absolutes in this discussion is because there are so many people here (and elsewhere) who reject the whole notion that blacks are, in general, treated differently by the police in this country. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems like every time an eception is raised, it is in order to discount the idea in the first place. I have yet to meet a single black person, or watch one on television, or read one, that has denied unequal treatment by police. This applies to blacks of all political convictions. It seems as if every teenage or adult black person in this country can relate some story about them being stopped, harrassed, made to answer questions which a white person would not. Of course this doesn't mean that all police do this, or that all police forces are equal. But I'm not going to discuss these nuances with you, until you're willing to accept my general premise that blacks are, as a rule, not treated the same. Until you, and others here, are willing to accept that as reality, I find the use of absolutes for discussion purposes sadly appropriate.

Show us evidence of this in this thread please.

Nope. Done talking about it. And you're going to lose your bet.

 

[The Commish]

Tim,

Your problem is with absolutes. Do you think police in small towns that have a 95% black population, as well as 95% black police force, harass blacks? There's probably a wide variety of harassment levels, ranging from none to let's make stuff up to convict the black man, depending on the police department you check out. If you asked most people they'd say that if you find a pattern of harassment by a police department it should be investigated and eradicated, as happened with the Rampart division of the LAPD back in 1996. Right now the Fullerton police department is taking a lot of heat for the murder of a homeless man and an apparent pattern of corruption. And that applies to harassment of whites, blacks, or any other color or group. But when you make blanket statements about ALL police officers and/or departments you insult both. And those are the people that put their lives on the line every day to make your community safe for you to live in. It's disgusting to me, quite honestly.

You make reasonable points here. I think the reason I tend to use absolutes in this discussion is because there are so many people here (and elsewhere) who reject the whole notion that blacks are, in general, treated differently by the police in this country. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems like every time an eception is raised, it is in order to discount the idea in the first place. I have yet to meet a single black person, or watch one on television, or read one, that has denied unequal treatment by police. This applies to blacks of all political convictions. It seems as if every teenage or adult black person in this country can relate some story about them being stopped, harrassed, made to answer questions which a white person would not. Of course this doesn't mean that all police do this, or that all police forces are equal. But I'm not going to discuss these nuances with you, until you're willing to accept my general premise that blacks are, as a rule, not treated the same. Until you, and others here, are willing to accept that as reality, I find the use of absolutes for discussion purposes sadly appropriate.

Show us evidence of this in this thread please.

Nope. Done talking about it. And you're going to lose your bet.

Figured as much. I don't, for a second, believe you are done talking about it. It's easy to spew crap. It's tough to bag it up in any legit way. Jon's post was like 7241 and you were discussing your opinions on race less than 10 posts after that. Yeah, I lost

 

[timschochet]

Tim,

Your problem is with absolutes. Do you think police in small towns that have a 95% black population, as well as 95% black police force, harass blacks? There's probably a wide variety of harassment levels, ranging from none to let's make stuff up to convict the black man, depending on the police department you check out. If you asked most people they'd say that if you find a pattern of harassment by a police department it should be investigated and eradicated, as happened with the Rampart division of the LAPD back in 1996. Right now the Fullerton police department is taking a lot of heat for the murder of a homeless man and an apparent pattern of corruption. And that applies to harassment of whites, blacks, or any other color or group. But when you make blanket statements about ALL police officers and/or departments you insult both. And those are the people that put their lives on the line every day to make your community safe for you to live in. It's disgusting to me, quite honestly.

You make reasonable points here. I think the reason I tend to use absolutes in this discussion is because there are so many people here (and elsewhere) who reject the whole notion that blacks are, in general, treated differently by the police in this country. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems like every time an eception is raised, it is in order to discount the idea in the first place. I have yet to meet a single black person, or watch one on television, or read one, that has denied unequal treatment by police. This applies to blacks of all political convictions. It seems as if every teenage or adult black person in this country can relate some story about them being stopped, harrassed, made to answer questions which a white person would not. Of course this doesn't mean that all police do this, or that all police forces are equal. But I'm not going to discuss these nuances with you, until you're willing to accept my general premise that blacks are, as a rule, not treated the same. Until you, and others here, are willing to accept that as reality, I find the use of absolutes for discussion purposes sadly appropriate.

Show us evidence of this in this thread please.

Nope. Done talking about it. And you're going to lose your bet.

Figured as much. I don't, for a second, believe you are done talking about it. It's easy to spew crap. It's tough to bag it up in any legit way. Jon's post was like 7241 and you were discussing your opinions on race less than 10 posts after that. Yeah, I lost

Hey you never know what the future holds. But your bet was for 4 hours. You'll lose that one.

 

[identikit]

Tim,

Your problem is with absolutes. Do you think police in small towns that have a 95% black population, as well as 95% black police force, harass blacks? There's probably a wide variety of harassment levels, ranging from none to let's make stuff up to convict the black man, depending on the police department you check out. If you asked most people they'd say that if you find a pattern of harassment by a police department it should be investigated and eradicated, as happened with the Rampart division of the LAPD back in 1996. Right now the Fullerton police department is taking a lot of heat for the murder of a homeless man and an apparent pattern of corruption. And that applies to harassment of whites, blacks, or any other color or group. But when you make blanket statements about ALL police officers and/or departments you insult both. And those are the people that put their lives on the line every day to make your community safe for you to live in. It's disgusting to me, quite honestly.

You make reasonable points here. I think the reason I tend to use absolutes in this discussion is because there are so many people here (and elsewhere) who reject the whole notion that blacks are, in general, treated differently by the police in this country. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems like every time an eception is raised, it is in order to discount the idea in the first place. I have yet to meet a single black person, or watch one on television, or read one, that has denied unequal treatment by police. This applies to blacks of all political convictions. It seems as if every teenage or adult black person in this country can relate some story about them being stopped, harrassed, made to answer questions which a white person would not. Of course this doesn't mean that all police do this, or that all police forces are equal. But I'm not going to discuss these nuances with you, until you're willing to accept my general premise that blacks are, as a rule, not treated the same. Until you, and others here, are willing to accept that as reality, I find the use of absolutes for discussion purposes sadly appropriate.

Show us evidence of this in this thread please.

Nope. Done talking about it. And you're going to lose your bet.

Figured as much. I don't, for a second, believe you are done talking about it. It's easy to spew crap. It's tough to bag it up in any legit way. Jon's post was like 7241 and you were discussing your opinions on race less than 10 posts after that. Yeah, I lost

Hey you never know what the future holds. But your bet was for 4 hours. You'll lose that one.

Taking this thread really seriously, aren't you.

 

[timschochet]

Tim,

Your problem is with absolutes. Do you think police in small towns that have a 95% black population, as well as 95% black police force, harass blacks? There's probably a wide variety of harassment levels, ranging from none to let's make stuff up to convict the black man, depending on the police department you check out. If you asked most people they'd say that if you find a pattern of harassment by a police department it should be investigated and eradicated, as happened with the Rampart division of the LAPD back in 1996. Right now the Fullerton police department is taking a lot of heat for the murder of a homeless man and an apparent pattern of corruption. And that applies to harassment of whites, blacks, or any other color or group. But when you make blanket statements about ALL police officers and/or departments you insult both. And those are the people that put their lives on the line every day to make your community safe for you to live in. It's disgusting to me, quite honestly.

You make reasonable points here. I think the reason I tend to use absolutes in this discussion is because there are so many people here (and elsewhere) who reject the whole notion that blacks are, in general, treated differently by the police in this country. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems like every time an eception is raised, it is in order to discount the idea in the first place. I have yet to meet a single black person, or watch one on television, or read one, that has denied unequal treatment by police. This applies to blacks of all political convictions. It seems as if every teenage or adult black person in this country can relate some story about them being stopped, harrassed, made to answer questions which a white person would not. Of course this doesn't mean that all police do this, or that all police forces are equal. But I'm not going to discuss these nuances with you, until you're willing to accept my general premise that blacks are, as a rule, not treated the same. Until you, and others here, are willing to accept that as reality, I find the use of absolutes for discussion purposes sadly appropriate.

Show us evidence of this in this thread please.

Nope. Done talking about it. And you're going to lose your bet.

Figured as much. I don't, for a second, believe you are done talking about it. It's easy to spew crap. It's tough to bag it up in any legit way. Jon's post was like 7241 and you were discussing your opinions on race less than 10 posts after that. Yeah, I lost

Hey you never know what the future holds. But your bet was for 4 hours. You'll lose that one.

Taking this thread really seriously, aren't you.

Are you?

 

[boots11234]

Tim,

Your problem is with absolutes. Do you think police in small towns that have a 95% black population, as well as 95% black police force, harass blacks? There's probably a wide variety of harassment levels, ranging from none to let's make stuff up to convict the black man, depending on the police department you check out. If you asked most people they'd say that if you find a pattern of harassment by a police department it should be investigated and eradicated, as happened with the Rampart division of the LAPD back in 1996. Right now the Fullerton police department is taking a lot of heat for the murder of a homeless man and an apparent pattern of corruption. And that applies to harassment of whites, blacks, or any other color or group. But when you make blanket statements about ALL police officers and/or departments you insult both. And those are the people that put their lives on the line every day to make your community safe for you to live in. It's disgusting to me, quite honestly.

You make reasonable points here. I think the reason I tend to use absolutes in this discussion is because there are so many people here (and elsewhere) who reject the whole notion that blacks are, in general, treated differently by the police in this country. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems like every time an eception is raised, it is in order to discount the idea in the first place. I have yet to meet a single black person, or watch one on television, or read one, that has denied unequal treatment by police. This applies to blacks of all political convictions. It seems as if every teenage or adult black person in this country can relate some story about them being stopped, harrassed, made to answer questions which a white person would not. Of course this doesn't mean that all police do this, or that all police forces are equal. But I'm not going to discuss these nuances with you, until you're willing to accept my general premise that blacks are, as a rule, not treated the same. Until you, and others here, are willing to accept that as reality, I find the use of absolutes for discussion purposes sadly appropriate.

Show us evidence of this in this thread please.

Nope. Done talking about it. And you're going to lose your bet.

Figured as much. I don't, for a second, believe you are done talking about it. It's easy to spew crap. It's tough to bag it up in any legit way. Jon's post was like 7241 and you were discussing your opinions on race less than 10 posts after that. Yeah, I lost

Hey you never know what the future holds. But your bet was for 4 hours. You'll lose that one.

Taking this thread really seriously, aren't you.

Are you?

I'm so glad I haven't gotten sucked into this pit of a thread. Why don't we all just wait and see what law enforcement does.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Carolina Hustler; what is your avatar?

Have you ever seen kungfu hustle?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Tim, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about.

But I do. You may not agree with me- many people don't. But don't accuse me of being ignorant about this subject matter. There are plenty of things that I'm ignorant about. Racism is not one of them.

Tim has 2 black friends and his wifes aunt that will corrobarate what he has said if you don't believe him..

More than that. But in truth I don't need any of them. Common sense will suffice.

Then why continue to bring them up?It does nothing to help along the discussion.Just the opposite.

The aunt was brought up specifically to discuss why the same photos were used over and over. That's not a common sense issue. You need to know a little bit about why TV does certain things in order to understand the reasons for that, and that they were in fact not the reasons that so many people around here were assuming to be true. The only reason I had any knowledge at all on this subject is because of my aunt, so I thought I would share it here. As for my black friends, I thought their imput on this subject might have more gravitas than my own.

For the sake of making this conversation, as good as it is already, even better. Please haver your 2 black friends log in so we can surpase this hearsay testmony..

 

[urbanhack]

Tim,

Your problem is with absolutes. Do you think police in small towns that have a 95% black population, as well as 95% black police force, harass blacks? There's probably a wide variety of harassment levels, ranging from none to let's make stuff up to convict the black man, depending on the police department you check out. If you asked most people they'd say that if you find a pattern of harassment by a police department it should be investigated and eradicated, as happened with the Rampart division of the LAPD back in 1996. Right now the Fullerton police department is taking a lot of heat for the murder of a homeless man and an apparent pattern of corruption. And that applies to harassment of whites, blacks, or any other color or group. But when you make blanket statements about ALL police officers and/or departments you insult both. And those are the people that put their lives on the line every day to make your community safe for you to live in. It's disgusting to me, quite honestly.

You make reasonable points here. I think the reason I tend to use absolutes in this discussion is because there are so many people here (and elsewhere) who reject the whole notion that blacks are, in general, treated differently by the police in this country. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems like every time an eception is raised, it is in order to discount the idea in the first place. I have yet to meet a single black person, or watch one on television, or read one, that has denied unequal treatment by police. This applies to blacks of all political convictions. It seems as if every teenage or adult black person in this country can relate some story about them being stopped, harrassed, made to answer questions which a white person would not. Of course this doesn't mean that all police do this, or that all police forces are equal. But I'm not going to discuss these nuances with you, until you're willing to accept my general premise that blacks are, as a rule, not treated the same. Until you, and others here, are willing to accept that as reality, I find the use of absolutes for discussion purposes sadly appropriate.

Show us evidence of this in this thread please.

Nope. Done talking about it. And you're going to lose your bet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/nyregion/fighting-stop-and-frisk-tactic-but-hitting-racial-divide.html

 

[Carolina Hustler]

IF the police had just arrested Zimmerman and then he was released on bond while they do the investigation then we would not of heard about this. But because they did not arrest him, and he just walked away after killing a person is why there is the outrage. So if the police would of just stuck to their guts and arrested him and then put the case in the hands of the legal system like they normally do then we would not have 145+ pages of postings.

This will be Christo's expertise, but I'll venture a response..I don't think the crime they could have charged him with passed the trial of self defense. Therefore, they didn't have enough to charge him with. Lack of evidence against him, and the fact that they could be liable for infringing on his civil liberties if they were wrong...

 

[humpback]

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

No one can walk a mile in another persons shoes, no matter what race, sex, religion, age, etc. they are. We can't walk a mile in Zimmermans shoes either, but that hasn't stopped people from calling him a racist, saying he only called the cops because Martin was black, thinking there's no way he could have feared for his life, etc.

Right. So a whole lotta hot air in these 145 pages. My beef revolves around the gun's being in the equation. It isn't supposed to be in it for a reason. Were it not, Zimmerman proobably (not definitively...)wouldn't have had himself a case of "Gun Balls" and this wouldn't be a big waste of bandwidth.

No doubt, this thread is a giant cluster####. I'm not seeing what the gun has to do with race though?

The gun has nothing to do with race. It has to do with shooting someone.

I responded to your post about race which never mentioned a gun, you then agreed with my post but said your beef revolves around the gun. WTF?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet...

CNN: Expert Reports George Zimmerman Said ‘Punks’, Not Racial Slur

CNN’s Martin Savidge told Brooke Baldwin that audio forensics expert Tom Owen determined George Zimmerman said punks on the 9-1-1 call he made the night he shot Trayvon Martin, not a racial slur as has been previously reported.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-expert-reports-george-zimmerman-said-‘punks’-not-racial-slur/

In the CNN footage I watched, in the audio I heard, and from the opinion of the CNN staff Twhoever they were, including the sound guy) Zimmerman said "####in cold" and to their point, it was unseasonably cold that night on top of it being raining...

 

[jon_mx]

Do Tim's black friends know he is plagiarizing their opinions?

 

[jonessed]

Do Tim's black friends know he is plagiarizing their opinions?

The best thing about imaginary friends is they don't care what you say about them.

 

[glock]

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

No one can walk a mile in another persons shoes, no matter what race, sex, religion, age, etc. they are. We can't walk a mile in Zimmermans shoes either, but that hasn't stopped people from calling him a racist, saying he only called the cops because Martin was black, thinking there's no way he could have feared for his life, etc.

Right. So a whole lotta hot air in these 145 pages. My beef revolves around the gun's being in the equation. It isn't supposed to be in it for a reason. Were it not, Zimmerman proobably (not definitively...)wouldn't have had himself a case of "Gun Balls" and this wouldn't be a big waste of bandwidth.

No doubt, this thread is a giant cluster####. I'm not seeing what the gun has to do with race though?

The gun has nothing to do with race. It has to do with shooting someone.

I responded to your post about race which never mentioned a gun, you then agreed with my post but said your beef revolves around the gun. WTF?

I wasn't laughing at you, BTW. I was laughing along with your "clutster ####" line.My line about the gun referred to the whole cluster #### inspiring situation, not your response to any post.

 

[SacramentoBob]

The jealousy over Tim's black friends continues. Just because you don't know any black people well enough to have non-trivial conversations with them doesn't mean it's the same for everyone.

 

[jonessed]

The jealousy over Tim's black friends continues. Just because you don't know any black people well enough to have non-trivial conversations with them doesn't mean it's the same for everyone.

 

[Christo]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

 

[jon_mx]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

I walked a mile in women's shoes before, can I weigh in on the second point.

 

[timschochet]

Do Tim's black friends know he is plagiarizing their opinions?

The best thing about imaginary friends is they don't care what you say about them.

You guys are more imaginary than my friends are.

 

[TexanFan02]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

I walked a mile in women's shoes before, can I weigh in on the second point.

High heels or Uggs? You wacky Republican cross-dressers.

 

[timschochet]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

 

[jon_mx]

High heels or Uggs? You wacky Republican cross-dressers.

Stripper Platform Heels of course.

 

[glock]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

Okay. Maybe not overt. And I'm not referring to this case. Just referring to those who would have it that race issues raised by members of the black community are simply

 

[Christo]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

touche

 

[timschochet]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

Ok, the bolded is not pompous at all. Sure. And your 13 years of experience has given you exactly how much knowledge about a certain subject that I shall not name but begins with the letter "r" and rhymes with "pace- ism"??

 

[jon_mx]

Don't mess with Christo unless you wanna get burned.

 

[TexanFan02]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

Hamline?

 

[timschochet]

Don't mess with Christo unless you wanna get burned.

Ooh. I can see the marks already.

 

[Christo]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

Ok, the bolded is not pompous at all. Sure. And your 13 years of experience has given you exactly how much knowledge about a certain subject that I shall not name but begins with the letter "r" and rhymes with "pace- ism"??

And that's exactly why I said I don't want to be dragged into that discussion.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

Sig material right there.

 

[Christo]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

Hamline?

Fortunately, no.

 

[jon_mx]

Damn, I should have put the over/under at 8 days.

 

[timschochet]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

Ok, the bolded is not pompous at all. Sure. And your 13 years of experience has given you exactly how much knowledge about a certain subject that I shall not name but begins with the letter "r" and rhymes with "pace- ism"??

And that's exactly why I said I don't want to be dragged into that discussion.

Here's the point, counselor: there are several issues at play here in this story. You only want to discuss the legal aspects. That's fine. You don't think the other aspects are relevant. That's also fine, though I strongly disagree with you. But when I've tried to express that disagreement, you refuse to talk about it and give as your reason that I'm not as much of an expert on these other issues as you are on the subject of the law. I consider that to be a pretty terrible and weak argument, but I suppose you're free to make it. And FWIW when I talk about these other issues, I don't lecture anyone. I state my opinion, get responses, and then discuss those responses. It may feel like a lecture to you, but that's what happens when you learn new things.

 

[timschochet]

Damn, I should have put the over/under at 8 days.

Haven't discussed it and I don't plan on it. The only way I will is if:(a) someone brings up something CLEARLY new which touches on that issue which we haven't discussed before(b) there is real news regarding the Zimmerman case which touches on that issue.Otherwise I'm not going to discuss it because I'm bored with it. We all know where we stand. I've stated my viewpoint. Many of you disagree. It is not disrepectful of me to argue with you guys, but it would be very disrespectful for me to repeat the same arguments over and over when you guys have already heard it. I don't regard any of you (well most of you but I won't name any names) as idiots or jerks, so I have no wish to insult anyone's intelligence.

 

[humpback]

I wasn't laughing at you, BTW. I was laughing along with your "clutster ####" line.My line about the gun referred to the whole cluster #### inspiring situation, not your response to any post.

 

[Christo]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

Ok, the bolded is not pompous at all. Sure. And your 13 years of experience has given you exactly how much knowledge about a certain subject that I shall not name but begins with the letter "r" and rhymes with "pace- ism"??

And that's exactly why I said I don't want to be dragged into that discussion.

Here's the point, counselor: there are several issues at play here in this story. You only want to discuss the legal aspects. That's fine. You don't think the other aspects are relevant. That's also fine, though I strongly disagree with you. But when I've tried to express that disagreement, you refuse to talk about it and give as your reason that I'm not as much of an expert on these other issues as you are on the subject of the law. I consider that to be a pretty terrible and weak argument, but I suppose you're free to make it. And FWIW when I talk about these other issues, I don't lecture anyone. I state my opinion, get responses, and then discuss those responses. It may feel like a lecture to you, but that's what happens when you learn new things.

It may surprise you. But nothing you have said on the issue of race or racism is new to me. When I was in law school, I took a course called Critical Legal Studies which approaches the law from the starting position that it reflects the political values from the dominant groups within society. I also took a seminar called Feminism in the Workplace which applied many racial theories to women.

 

[timschochet]

It sure comes easy to some here to say that race has nothing to do with something- or anything- when you are not the one out of ten Americans that is a black man or woman. Mighty high horses up in here.

Walk a mile in the shoes and then get back to me.

The fact that you can't walk a mile in those shoes is the point. And it should preclude you from being able to pontificate on a message board about the black man's plight, state of mind- whatever. But it won't. So carry on.

Next topic for you guys out there in message board land- "What it's like to be a woman attempting to climb the corporate ladder in America." I'm sure some of you guys will have a lot to say on that as well.

There was no overt racism here by either Zimmerman or the police. The race issue is being raised by people who weren't even there. This is exactly why I don't want to get into the race issue. I don't want someone who wasn't even there to tell me it's about race and then turn around and tell me I can't understand because I'm white. That's not a conversation. That's a lecture. And I don't take lectures from people who don't even know if what they are saying is true.

What a pompus windbag you are. I like you anyway, though.Has it been 4 hours yet? I need my fix....

No, a "pompous windbag" is a person who insist upon lecturing others on a subject when they really don't know what they'r talking about.I went to law school and have been a practicing attorney for 13 years. You had dinner with a black guy.

Ok, the bolded is not pompous at all. Sure. And your 13 years of experience has given you exactly how much knowledge about a certain subject that I shall not name but begins with the letter "r" and rhymes with "pace- ism"??

And that's exactly why I said I don't want to be dragged into that discussion.

Here's the point, counselor: there are several issues at play here in this story. You only want to discuss the legal aspects. That's fine. You don't think the other aspects are relevant. That's also fine, though I strongly disagree with you. But when I've tried to express that disagreement, you refuse to talk about it and give as your reason that I'm not as much of an expert on these other issues as you are on the subject of the law. I consider that to be a pretty terrible and weak argument, but I suppose you're free to make it. And FWIW when I talk about these other issues, I don't lecture anyone. I state my opinion, get responses, and then discuss those responses. It may feel like a lecture to you, but that's what happens when you learn new things.

It may surprise you. But nothing you have said on the issue of race or racism is new to me. When I was in law school, I took a course called Critical Legal Studies which approaches the law from the starting position that it reflects the political values from the dominant groups within society. I also took a seminar called Feminism in the Workplace which applied many racial theories to women.

Of course it's not new to you. I was being sarcastic. If it was new to you, you'd have to be a real moron which clearly you aren't. As an aside, if going to law school means you have to take a class on feminism in the workplace, then I'm glad I didn't go.

 

[thayman]

Damn, I should have put the over/under at 8 days.

Haven't discussed it and I don't plan on it. The only way I will is if:(a) someone brings up something CLEARLY new which touches on that issue which we haven't discussed before

(b) there is real news regarding the Zimmerman case which touches on that issue.

Otherwise I'm not going to discuss it because I'm bored with it. We all know where we stand. I've stated my viewpoint. Many of you disagree. It is not disrepectful of me to argue with you guys, but it would be very disrespectful for me to repeat the same arguments over and over when you guys have already heard it. I don't regard any of you (well most of you but I won't name any names) as idiots or jerks, so I have no wish to insult anyone's intelligence.

If that was true you wouldn't plagerise other people's work.

 

[renesauz]

Damn, I should have put the over/under at 8 days.

Haven't discussed it and I don't plan on it. The only way I will is if:(a) someone brings up something CLEARLY new which touches on that issue which we haven't discussed before(b) there is real news regarding the Zimmerman case which touches on that issue.Otherwise I'm not going to discuss it because I'm bored with it. We all know where we stand. I've stated my viewpoint. Many of you disagree. It is not disrepectful of me to argue with you guys, but it would be very disrespectful for me to repeat the same arguments over and over when you guys have already heard it. I don't regard any of you (well most of you but I won't name any names) as idiots or jerks, so I have no wish to insult anyone's intelligence.

Not positive, but pretty sure you've started talking about "it" again here.

 

[Fennis]

It may surprise you. But nothing you have said on the issue of race or racism is new to me. When I was in law school, I took a course called Critical Legal Studies which approaches the law from the starting position that it reflects the political values from the dominant groups within society. I also took a seminar called Feminism in the Workplace which applied many racial theories to women.

You also got an A+ in Replies that Only Use an Emoticon 101.

 

[Christo]

Of course it's not new to you. I was being sarcastic. If it was new to you, you'd have to be a real moron which clearly you aren't. As an aside, if going to law school means you have to take a class on feminism in the workplace, then I'm glad I didn't go.

Both courses were electives. A bunch of my classmates stuck the the "bar review" courses for their electives. I figured we'd get that stuff in the bar review classes so I took electives that that would force me to think. After a year of Con Law, I took another semester that specifically focused on the First Amendment and another on Constitutional Torts--which is civil actions for the deprivation of civil rights under the color of law.

 

[Christo]

It may surprise you. But nothing you have said on the issue of race or racism is new to me. When I was in law school, I took a course called Critical Legal Studies which approaches the law from the starting position that it reflects the political values from the dominant groups within society. I also took a seminar called Feminism in the Workplace which applied many racial theories to women.

You also got an A+ in Replies that Only Use an Emoticon 101.

That was one of my undergrad Poli Sci courses.

 

[Topes]

So which is it? Marketing or a "deliberate and cynical manipulation"???

Marketing is deliberate and cynical manipulation.

NSFW: Bill Hicks on Marketing