Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (3 Viewers)

[Fennis]

There is no chance the federal government charges Zimmerman with a crime. None. I am more likely to be charged of a federal crime than Zimmerman.

 

[timschochet]

There is no chance the federal government charges Zimmerman with a crime. None. I am more likely to be charged of a federal crime than Zimmerman.

Are you being investigated by the federal government as we speak?

 

[Christo]

I can make an argument for anything. Thankfully, we live in a country where our laws protect us from being arrested just because someone can make an argument that you did something.

What's your point?

I am glad you aren't un a position to enforce laws..

Me too. But it appears that those that are, will. And I'm having a little trouble understanding your motivation here. I understand you wanting to see that the law and justice are fairly administered. But are you actually rooting for this scumbag Zimmerman to get off? Why would anyone want that, based on what we know?

Link to anyone at the DOJ saying charges will be brought.

Link to where I suggested that would happen? I wrote that experts on TV claim it's a possibility. I wrote that I trust that those in authority will enforce the laws. For someone who takes such a strict intepretation of everything, you're awfully quick to take my comments and draw your own conclusion out of them.

You didn't say you trust that they will, you said it appears they will.

ENFORCE THE LAWS. Enforcing the law does not necessarily mean charges will be brought. It might mean no charges will be brought. Again, what happened to your strict intepretations?

So when you say enforce the laws in a case where you're convinced the suspect is guilty and all of the experts you've watched on TV have said the hate crime law is applicable, it includes not bringing charges. Got it.

 

[Fennis]

There is no chance the federal government charges Zimmerman with a crime. None. I am more likely to be charged of a federal crime than Zimmerman.

Are you being investigated by the federal government as we speak?

No.

 

[jon_mx]

I am not routing for anyone. What I am hoping for:

1. !ustice prevails. If Zimmerman killed and did not have to to protect his life, then I hope he gets prison time.

2. Authorities don't cave to the mob pressure. Zimmerman only gets charged when there is sufficient evidence.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

 

[timschochet]

I can make an argument for anything. Thankfully, we live in a country where our laws protect us from being arrested just because someone can make an argument that you did something.

What's your point?

I am glad you aren't un a position to enforce laws..

Me too. But it appears that those that are, will. And I'm having a little trouble understanding your motivation here. I understand you wanting to see that the law and justice are fairly administered. But are you actually rooting for this scumbag Zimmerman to get off? Why would anyone want that, based on what we know?

Link to anyone at the DOJ saying charges will be brought.

Link to where I suggested that would happen? I wrote that experts on TV claim it's a possibility. I wrote that I trust that those in authority will enforce the laws. For someone who takes such a strict intepretation of everything, you're awfully quick to take my comments and draw your own conclusion out of them.

You didn't say you trust that they will, you said it appears they will.

ENFORCE THE LAWS. Enforcing the law does not necessarily mean charges will be brought. It might mean no charges will be brought. Again, what happened to your strict intepretations?

So when you say enforce the laws in a case where you're convinced the suspect is guilty and all of the experts you've watched on TV have said the applicable hate crime law is applicable, it includes not bringing charges. Got it.

Link to where I stated I was convinced that the suspect was legally guilty? Link to where I stated that the TV experts I watched stated that the hate crime law was applicable, rather than "could be" applicable?But go ahead, keep making those assumptions. It demonstrates that you supposed adherence to the facts is little more than a charade. You adhere strictly to the facts when it suits you. When it suits you to make broad assumptions, then that's what you do.

 

[timschochet]

There is no chance the federal government charges Zimmerman with a crime. None. I am more likely to be charged of a federal crime than Zimmerman.

Are you being investigated by the federal government as we speak?

No.

Then I don't think your last sentence is correct. In fact, none of it is correct. The feds are investigating this case. That means there is a chance Zimmerman will be indicted by them.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I am not routing for anyone. What I am hoping for:

1. !ustice prevails. If Zimmerman killed and did not have to to protect his life, then I hope he gets prison time.

2. Authorities don't cave to the mob pressure. Zimmerman only gets charged when there is sufficient evidence.

ya, based on the way that law in florida is written...thats not justice.

 

[Christo]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

I need to know Zimmerman's story.

 

[phrozen]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

no you don't know what happened that night with 100% certainty but keep beating that drum.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

no you don't know what happened that night with 100% certainty but keep beating that drum.

I know a unarmed teen who was walking home didnt have to die...anything else is just a bunch of legal grandstanding.

 

[Fennis]

There is no chance the federal government charges Zimmerman with a crime. None. I am more likely to be charged of a federal crime than Zimmerman.

Are you being investigated by the federal government as we speak?

No.

Then I don't think your last sentence is correct. In fact, none of it is correct. The feds are investigating this case. That means there is a chance Zimmerman will be indicted by them.

no, there realy isnt.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

I need to know Zimmerman's story.

ya because im sure he would be 100 % honest

 

[Da Guru]

Taking bets on when this thread passes GMTAN in posts. They have 73,000 in two years. We have 7,300 in one month.

And 4500 of the posts are by only 5 members....just think if everybody did their share.

2500

Seems like 4500

 

[Fennis]

Taking bets on when this thread passes GMTAN in posts. They have 73,000 in two years. We have 7,300 in one month.

And 4500 of the posts are by only 5 members....just think if everybody did their share.

2500

Seems like 4500

Seems like 6500

 

[jon_mx]

I am not routing for anyone. What I am hoping for:

1. !ustice prevails. If Zimmerman killed and did not have to to protect his life, then I hope he gets prison time.

2. Authorities don't cave to the mob pressure. Zimmerman only gets charged when there is sufficient evidence.

ya, based on the way that law in florida is written...thats not justice.

I don;t have issues with the law. If in fact Treyvon was pounding Zimmerman's head into the ground, no matter what color his skin or how much of a #### he was, he has a right to defend himself against such an assault. The law may go a tad too far, but that was the law Zimmerman acted under.

 

[Witz]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

I need to know Zimmerman's story.

ya because im sure he would be 100 % honest

Yet you are 100% sure he isn't. Got it.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

I need to know Zimmerman's story.

ya because im sure he would be 100 % honest

Yet you are 100% sure he isn't. Got it.

under the circumstances would YOU be honest?

 

[Witz]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

I need to know Zimmerman's story.

ya because im sure he would be 100 % honest

Yet you are 100% sure he isn't. Got it.

under the circumstances would YOU be honest?

So you are saying everyone who gives their side of the story is dishonest?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I am not routing for anyone. What I am hoping for:

1. !ustice prevails. If Zimmerman killed and did not have to to protect his life, then I hope he gets prison time.

2. Authorities don't cave to the mob pressure. Zimmerman only gets charged when there is sufficient evidence.

ya, based on the way that law in florida is written...thats not justice.

I don;t have issues with the law. If in fact Treyvon was pounding Zimmerman's head into the ground, no matter what color his skin or how much of a #### he was, he has a right to defend himself against such an assault. The law may go a tad too far, but that was the law Zimmerman acted under.

What part of zimmerman minding his own business dont you understand?

 

[jon_mx]

There is no law that requires you to mind your own business. Kicking someone's ### because they annoy you is not justification.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

There is no law that requires you to mind your own business. Kicking someone's ### because they annoy you is not justification.

wow

 

[jon_mx]

There is no law that requires you to mind your own business. Kicking someone's ### because they annoy you is not justification.

wow

Wow, what? Whereas it would be nice if people minded their own business, our prisions are not big enough. You want to make crap up to make Zimmerman guilty. That is the exact mentality that pisses me off. Zimmerman has rights too.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If the local authorites either fail to indict Zimmerman or are unable to secure a conviction due to the Stand Your Ground law, the fact that the federal authorities are also investigating this matter means he could be charged with a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act or the 1969 Federal Hate Crlmes Law. This is the way that ultimately, the two police officers who assaulted Rodney King went to prison. If Zimmerman is indicted for either of these acts, it's my understanding that Stand Your Ground will afford him no protection whatsoever, as it is a state law.

The feds got nothin'.

You don't know that. Also, they may not need anything beyond the basic facts of the case as we now know them. Armed Latino gets in confrontation with unarmed black youth. The black youth is shot dead. That may be enough for a federal indictment and trial.

I'm sure beyond a reasonable doubt, and no it's not. If it was, what a nightmare the hate crimes statute would be.

Glad you're so certain. But I've been listening to commentators on television with some expertise in the two federal acts I listed above who have a different opinion. (Oh and BTW: personally, I think the hate crimes act IS a nightmare. But it's on the books, just like Stand Your Ground. These are the laws we're stuck with.)

It's a pretty huge leap to suggest Trayvon was killed because he's black with the only evidence being that he's black.. With that logic, I could say he was killed because he had short hair, or because he was carrying skittles, or because it was raining..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If the local authorites either fail to indict Zimmerman or are unable to secure a conviction due to the Stand Your Ground law, the fact that the federal authorities are also investigating this matter means he could be charged with a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act or the 1969 Federal Hate Crlmes Law. This is the way that ultimately, the two police officers who assaulted Rodney King went to prison. If Zimmerman is indicted for either of these acts, it's my understanding that Stand Your Ground will afford him no protection whatsoever, as it is a state law.

The feds got nothin'.

You don't know that. Also, they may not need anything beyond the basic facts of the case as we now know them. Armed Latino gets in confrontation with unarmed black youth. The black youth is shot dead. That may be enough for a federal indictment and trial.

The Feds don't like to indict without a good shot at conviction. And to win they would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman shot Martin because of his race:

(1) Offenses involving actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin.— Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person—

(A) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

(B) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if—

(i) death results from the offense; or

(ii) the offense includes kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

http://www.law.corne...ode/text/18/249That's a pretty high hurdle.

Well, let's discuss it. (Don't worry, I'm not going to get into a discussion about racism and society, or racism by the Sanford police: I'm only going to discuss what appear to be the facts of this case.)According to what I heard on TV, IF it can be proven that Zimmerman was racially profiling Martin, that may be enough to indict and/or convict, based on the known facts of the case.

Which facts do you suggest prove he was profiling Trayvon because he was black?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

To my point- the following was reported a few days back on all the major news outlets:Although the Justice Department two weeks ago publicly announced it would examine potential civil rights violations, the arrival of bureau agents represents a new phase in inquiries into the case.A senior law enforcement official confirmed that one potential piece of evidence is records of Zimmerman’s prior 911 calls to police dispatchers.This would seem to indicate that the feds are looking for a pattern of racial profiling by Zimmerman (which, IMO, is easily found, though some of you may debate that point.) If they find it, they can use this fact to charge him with a hate crime.

That's a pretty huge leap.. Care to make the connection for all of us who fail to see it?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If the local authorites either fail to indict Zimmerman or are unable to secure a conviction due to the Stand Your Ground law, the fact that the federal authorities are also investigating this matter means he could be charged with a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act or the 1969 Federal Hate Crlmes Law. This is the way that ultimately, the two police officers who assaulted Rodney King went to prison. If Zimmerman is indicted for either of these acts, it's my understanding that Stand Your Ground will afford him no protection whatsoever, as it is a state law.

The feds got nothin'.

You don't know that. Also, they may not need anything beyond the basic facts of the case as we now know them. Armed Latino gets in confrontation with unarmed black youth. The black youth is shot dead. That may be enough for a federal indictment and trial.

The Feds don't like to indict without a good shot at conviction. And to win they would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman shot Martin because of his race:

(1) Offenses involving actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin.— Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person—

(A) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

(B) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if—

(i) death results from the offense; or

(ii) the offense includes kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

http://www.law.corne...ode/text/18/249That's a pretty high hurdle.

Well, let's discuss it. (Don't worry, I'm not going to get into a discussion about racism and society, or racism by the Sanford police: I'm only going to discuss what appear to be the facts of this case.)According to what I heard on TV, IF it can be proven that Zimmerman was racially profiling Martin, that may be enough to indict and/or convict, based on the known facts of the case.

Doesnt zimmerman have a history of mentioning race in his complaints to police ?

He has a history of identifying the potential suspects in a manner any of us would use if asked to identify someone.That doesn't make him racist.. And that's not profiling

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Doesnt zimmerman have a history of mentioning race in his complaints to police ?

From what I've read, yes. And this is why the feds may be able to construct a valid case here.Zimmerman was following Martin that night due to the fact that Zimmerman was suspicious of Martin because, even in part, of Martin's skin color, then it can be argued from there that Martin would not have been shot to death that night if not for Martin being a black youth. Therefore Zimmerman is guilty of a civil rights act or hate crime and subject to prosecution.

This was the opinion of at least one legal expert I watched. I have no idea if it's valid. Sounds like it could be though.

There is no evidence I've seen so far that would say Zimmerman found him suspicious because he was black..

 

[Christo]

Link to where I stated I was convinced that the suspect was legally guilty?

I was very sure that he was guilty of manslaughter, at the very least. I'm even more sure now. What I was NOT sure about was whether there was any way to convict him, due to reasonable doubt. Now this new information makes me wonder about that.

It's outrageous to me that Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet.

I have a really hard time believing Zimmerman's life was threatened. So far, there is absolutely no evidence of that.

In short, based on what we know, there is very little reason to believe in Zimmerman's story, and lots of reasons to believe that he is guilty of murder or manslaughter. None of the reasons are absolutely conclusive. But taken together they are so overwhelming at this point that I fail to understand how any reasonable person could think Zimmerman was innocent.

There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he was white.

Why are people trying so hard to deny that this whole story centers on race?

I believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and I would like to see him arrested and on trial.

I believe he's guilty of a major crime, so I'm hoping that he goes to prison for it.

 

[Christo]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

I need to know Zimmerman's story.

ya because im sure he would be 100 % honest

Part of knowing someone's story is determining whether he's telling the truth.

 

[Christo]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

I need to know Zimmerman's story.

ya because im sure he would be 100 % honest

Yet you are 100% sure he isn't. Got it.

under the circumstances would YOU be honest?

That's begging the question. You don't know the circumstances. Maybe the circumstances don't require him to lie.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here you go Tim, making up for more of that institutionalized racism:

Institutionalized racism

Okay I know guys some kids having a bit of fun, everyone does it right...

I am sure you can certainly understand their actions...

Guy looked like he drank too much obviously.. His own fault.. You can't be drunk out of your mind, mindlessly stumbling around.. He made himself a victim.. Where were his friends? None?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I can make an argument for anything. Thankfully, we live in a country where our laws protect us from being arrested just because someone can make an argument that you did something.

What's your point?

That your argument is baseless, and thank god the Justice system doesn't work like Tim thinks it should..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I can make an argument for anything. Thankfully, we live in a country where our laws protect us from being arrested just because someone can make an argument that you did something.

What's your point?

I am glad you aren't un a position to enforce laws..

Me too. But it appears that those that are, will. And I'm having a little trouble understanding your motivation here. I understand you wanting to see that the law and justice are fairly administered. But are you actually rooting for this scumbag Zimmerman to get off? Why would anyone want that, based on what we know?

We know nothing that proves Zimmerman is a scumbag.. It may very well be that he was honestly defending himself.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I can make an argument for anything. Thankfully, we live in a country where our laws protect us from being arrested just because someone can make an argument that you did something.

What's your point?

I am glad you aren't un a position to enforce laws..

Me too. But it appears that those that are, will. And I'm having a little trouble understanding your motivation here. I understand you wanting to see that the law and justice are fairly administered. But are you actually rooting for this scumbag Zimmerman to get off? Why would anyone want that, based on what we know?

Link to anyone at the DOJ saying charges will be brought.

Link to where I suggested that would happen? I wrote that experts on TV claim it's a possibility. I wrote that I trust that those in authority will enforce the laws. For someone who takes such a strict interpretation of everything, you're awfully quick to take my comments and draw your own conclusion out of them.

It's impossible without additional evidence..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

So if Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, then Zimmerman had no right to use his firearm?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

So if Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, then Zimmerman had no right to use his firearm?

its THAT respose that im talking about...get a clue

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

It does matter who touched who first.. It also matters if Zimmerman was in fear of bodily injury.. It also matters if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and would not stop and Zimmerman was crying out for help..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

It does matter who touched who first.. It also matters if Zimmerman was in fear of bodily injury.. It also matters if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and would not stop and Zimmerman was crying out for help..

i pray you`re never put into the situation that treyvon was

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I can make an argument for anything. Thankfully, we live in a country where our laws protect us from being arrested just because someone can make an argument that you did something.

What's your point?

I am glad you aren't un a position to enforce laws..

Me too. But it appears that those that are, will. And I'm having a little trouble understanding your motivation here. I understand you wanting to see that the law and justice are fairly administered. But are you actually rooting for this scumbag Zimmerman to get off? Why would anyone want that, based on what we know?

Link to anyone at the DOJ saying charges will be brought.

Link to where I suggested that would happen? I wrote that experts on TV claim it's a possibility. I wrote that I trust that those in authority will enforce the laws. For someone who takes such a strict intepretation of everything, you're awfully quick to take my comments and draw your own conclusion out of them.

You didn't say you trust that they will, you said it appears they will.

ENFORCE THE LAWS. Enforcing the law does not necessarily mean charges will be brought. It might mean no charges will be brought. Again, what happened to your strict intepretations?

So when you say enforce the laws in a case where you're convinced the suspect is guilty and all of the experts you've watched on TV have said the applicable hate crime law is applicable, it includes not bringing charges. Got it.

Link to where I stated I was convinced that the suspect was legally guilty? Link to where I stated that the TV experts I watched stated that the hate crime law was applicable, rather than "could be" applicable?But go ahead, keep making those assumptions. It demonstrates that you supposed adherence to the facts is little more than a charade. You adhere strictly to the facts when it suits you. When it suits you to make broad assumptions, then that's what you do.

It's applicable IF it can be proven that Zimmerman was acting on race..This is just a sad attempt by the media to squeeze more life giving juice for their agenda..

We know what they know, and we know nothing that would prove Zimmerman was racist or profiling..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

There is no chance the federal government charges Zimmerman with a crime. None. I am more likely to be charged of a federal crime than Zimmerman.

Are you being investigated by the federal government as we speak?

No.

Then I don't think your last sentence is correct. In fact, none of it is correct. The feds are investigating this case. That means there is a chance Zimmerman will be indicted by them.

But it proves nothing except that they are looking for proof..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

I need to know Zimmerman's story.

ya because im sure he would be 100 % honest

Yet you are 100% sure he isn't. Got it.

under the circumstances would YOU be honest?

If the honest story sets me free I would..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I am not routing for anyone. What I am hoping for:

1. !ustice prevails. If Zimmerman killed and did not have to to protect his life, then I hope he gets prison time.

2. Authorities don't cave to the mob pressure. Zimmerman only gets charged when there is sufficient evidence.

ya, based on the way that law in florida is written...thats not justice.

I don;t have issues with the law. If in fact Treyvon was pounding Zimmerman's head into the ground, no matter what color his skin or how much of a #### he was, he has a right to defend himself against such an assault. The law may go a tad too far, but that was the law Zimmerman acted under.

What part of zimmerman minding his own business dont you understand?

Neighborhood watch people should just mind their own buisness... Got it..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

So if Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, then Zimmerman had no right to use his firearm?

its THAT respose that im talking about...get a clue

Answer the question...

 

[timschochet]

Link to where I stated I was convinced that the suspect was legally guilty?

I was very sure that he was guilty of manslaughter, at the very least. I'm even more sure now. What I was NOT sure about was whether there was any way to convict him, due to reasonable doubt. Now this new information makes me wonder about that.

It's outrageous to me that Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet.

I have a really hard time believing Zimmerman's life was threatened. So far, there is absolutely no evidence of that.

In short, based on what we know, there is very little reason to believe in Zimmerman's story, and lots of reasons to believe that he is guilty of murder or manslaughter. None of the reasons are absolutely conclusive. But taken together they are so overwhelming at this point that I fail to understand how any reasonable person could think Zimmerman was innocent.

There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he was white.

Why are people trying so hard to deny that this whole story centers on race?

I believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and I would like to see him arrested and on trial.

I believe he's guilty of a major crime, so I'm hoping that he goes to prison for it.

So what? Not once did I state there that I believe Zimmerman is legally guilty. The fact is, I don't know one way or another. I certainly believe him to be actually guilty. In researching my quotes here, did you come across the numerous times when I said that if I was on the jury, I would vote to acquit?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its so frustrating reading peoples comments about the law and and zimmermans rights and saying he wont be proven guilty based on the laws in florida. How can any reasonable person even question if zimmerman is guilty of killing treyvon martin. Who cares if trey threw the first punch or pushed first .All that matters is he was minding his own business and zimmerman decided trey was doing something other than that. Then acted on it. Which led to treys totally unnecessary death.I couldnt even in good concience argue in zimmermans defense.Its disgusting that people do.Those that do come off like they have such little regard for human life.All they see is the way some words are written by some politician in 2005 and say thats all that matters.How many guilty scumbags go free on a technicality in court ? To many.A resonable person knows what happened the night trey was shot to death and if you dont theres something wrong with the way you`re wired.

Guilty of killing? I'll agree with that. But I don't know where that gets us. People don't necessarily go to jail just because they kill someone.And @ you knowing what happened that night.

Yes, i know what happened that night. It doesnt matter who touched who first, they argued and an altercation ensued,one that could have and should have been advoided had zimmerman minded his own business. Everyone here agrees on the timelines so what dont we know? We even have a eyewitness who heard them talking loudly then fighting. What more do you need to know?

It does matter who touched who first.. It also matters if Zimmerman was in fear of bodily injury.. It also matters if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and would not stop and Zimmerman was crying out for help..

i pray you`re never put into the situation that treyvon was

I don't want to be in either of their situations.. If I was being followed by neighborhood watch, I'd either ignore them, or stop, introduce myself, and explain that I was no threat..If I am pinned on the ground and someone is bouncing my head off the concrete, and I have a gun.. Count him a doughnut..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Link to where I stated I was convinced that the suspect was legally guilty?

I was very sure that he was guilty of manslaughter, at the very least. I'm even more sure now. What I was NOT sure about was whether there was any way to convict him, due to reasonable doubt. Now this new information makes me wonder about that.

It's outrageous to me that Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet.

I have a really hard time believing Zimmerman's life was threatened. So far, there is absolutely no evidence of that.

In short, based on what we know, there is very little reason to believe in Zimmerman's story, and lots of reasons to believe that he is guilty of murder or manslaughter. None of the reasons are absolutely conclusive. But taken together they are so overwhelming at this point that I fail to understand how any reasonable person could think Zimmerman was innocent.

I believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and I would like to see him arrested and on trial.

So what? Not once did I state there that I believe Zimmerman is legally guilty. The fact is, I don't know one way or another. I certainly believe him to be actually guilty. In researching my quotes here, did you come across the numerous times when I said that if I was on the jury, I would vote to acquit?

I was very sure that he was guilty of manslaughter, at the very least. I'm even more sure now. What I was NOT sure about was whether there was any way to convict him, due to reasonable doubt. Now this new information makes me wonder about that.

I believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and I would like to see him arrested and on trial.

 

[identikit]

I believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and I would like to see him arrested and on trial.

So what?

Not once did I state there that I believe Zimmerman is legally guilty. The fact is, I don't know one way or another. I certainly believe him to be actually guilty. In researching my quotes here, did you come across the numerous times when I said that if I was on the jury, I would vote to acquit?

There's one, for starters.

 

[Christo]

I was very sure that he was guilty of manslaughter, at the very least. I'm even more sure now. What I was NOT sure about was whether there was any way to convict him, due to reasonable doubt. Now this new information makes me wonder about that.

It's outrageous to me that Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet.

I have a really hard time believing Zimmerman's life was threatened. So far, there is absolutely no evidence of that.

In short, based on what we know, there is very little reason to believe in Zimmerman's story, and lots of reasons to believe that he is guilty of murder or manslaughter. None of the reasons are absolutely conclusive. But taken together they are so overwhelming at this point that I fail to understand how any reasonable person could think Zimmerman was innocent.

There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he was white.

Why are people trying so hard to deny that this whole story centers on race?

I believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter and I would like to see him arrested and on trial.

I believe he's guilty of a major crime, so I'm hoping that he goes to prison for it.

So what? Not once did I state there that I believe Zimmerman is legally guilty.

WTMF?