Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[BustedKnuckles]

One thing that was said today on tv that i didnt know , was that it took 15 minutes to transport zimmerman to the police station.If it was only 30 minutes from the time the cops got to the scene and them getting to the station that leaves 15 to question and treat zimmermans injuries, thats a tight window to clean him up where he looked like he wasnt even in a fight with head injuries and a smashed nose. And why didnt he have a bandage on his shiny dome if it was as gashed as some say it was? head injuries bleed like a stuck pig.Maybe they super glued the cut and sent him on his merry way

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

He is, in fact, currently innocent.

 

[ATC1]

Christo has stated several times in this thread that Zimmerman must testify in his own behalf. He (Christo) has explained that this is necessary because Zimmerman's defense will be that he acted in self-defense. I am not enough of a legal expert to give an opinion on this, but I can't remember the last time in one of these high-profile cases the accused actually took the stand. Any of you guys with some legal expertise agree with Christo on this point? Do you really think Zimmerman will testify? I hope Christo is right, especially if the case is televised, because that will make extreme drama.

I agree with him. None of the cases you mentioned did the defendant claim self defense.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

 

[timschochet]

Christo has stated several times in this thread that Zimmerman must testify in his own behalf. He (Christo) has explained that this is necessary because Zimmerman's defense will be that he acted in self-defense. I am not enough of a legal expert to give an opinion on this, but I can't remember the last time in one of these high-profile cases the accused actually took the stand. Any of you guys with some legal expertise agree with Christo on this point? Do you really think Zimmerman will testify? I hope Christo is right, especially if the case is televised, because that will make extreme drama.

I agree with him. None of the cases you mentioned did the defendant claim self defense.

Again I hope you're right. It's just that we never see it.

 

[timschochet]

This defense attorney seems a hell of lot more competent than the last two jokers.

 

[Guest]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Florida is screwy but in most states self-defense is something that the defendant has to prove. So given that he admitted that he intentionally killed Martin, the prosecution's case would be pretty perfunctory. The real case would be in Zimmerman trying to prove that he only acted defending himself.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Rioters rejoice as they are 1 step closer to that brand new flat screen TV, ask judge for a speedy trial.

Actually, this has delayed their shopping spree.

 

[jon_mx]

Christo has stated several times in this thread that Zimmerman must testify in his own behalf. He (Christo) has explained that this is necessary because Zimmerman's defense will be that he acted in self-defense. I am not enough of a legal expert to give an opinion on this, but I can't remember the last time in one of these high-profile cases the accused actually took the stand. Any of you guys with some legal expertise agree with Christo on this point? Do you really think Zimmerman will testify? I hope Christo is right, especially if the case is televised, because that will make extreme drama.

I agree with him. None of the cases you mentioned did the defendant claim self defense.

Again I hope you're right. It's just that we never see it.

If that happens, that will definitely add some spice to this.

 

[ATC1]

Christo has stated several times in this thread that Zimmerman must testify in his own behalf. He (Christo) has explained that this is necessary because Zimmerman's defense will be that he acted in self-defense. I am not enough of a legal expert to give an opinion on this, but I can't remember the last time in one of these high-profile cases the accused actually took the stand. Any of you guys with some legal expertise agree with Christo on this point? Do you really think Zimmerman will testify? I hope Christo is right, especially if the case is televised, because that will make extreme drama.

I agree with him. None of the cases you mentioned did the defendant claim self defense.

Again I hope you're right. It's just that we never see it.

I will say this though. Since it is 2nd degree murder charges, it might be possible the defnese may feel confident that Zimmerman did not have the intent to get a conviction, so he will not need to take the stand.

 

[ATC1]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Florida is screwy but in most states self-defense is something that the defendant has to prove. So given that he admitted that he intentionally killed Martin, the prosecution's case would be pretty perfunctory. The real case would be in Zimmerman trying to prove that he only acted defending himself.

Prosecution needs to proove intent first.

 

[The Commish]

Wait....I've lost track. So now Tim has trust in the public officials, because just a couple days ago, he had little faith saying that it was all about race and how unfairly all black people are treated by public officials. Jeez....I need a freakin' notebook!

Notebooks won't work for Tim.He's an ace backpedaller.

I don't think I am. But here's what I will concede to you guys:Like many of you, I will be watching this case very closely, because it fascinates me. If it turns out that the prosecution has no more evidence out there than we know at this present time (or at least, no more evidence of a decisive nature), then I will sadly conclude that I was wrong about this, and that those of you who disagree with me are right- that this woman must have been pressured into charging Zimmerman, that she should not have charged him. I will feel that way whether or not Zimmerman is ultimately convicted. There had better be new evidence. Otherwise the system is not what I thought it was. If Zimmerman is convicted based on the evidence the public knows now, that will be a travesty of justice. Zimmerman's actual guilt or innocence is much less relevant to me than the integrity of the system. There HAS to be new evidence, or there's been a royal screwing here.

I for one welcome your daily updates on what Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitchell are saying on HLN....thanks for your efforts

 

[identikit]

Wait....I've lost track. So now Tim has trust in the public officials, because just a couple days ago, he had little faith saying that it was all about race and how unfairly all black people are treated by public officials. Jeez....I need a freakin' notebook!

Notebooks won't work for Tim.He's an ace backpedaller.

I don't think I am. But here's what I will concede to you guys:Like many of you, I will be watching this case very closely, because it fascinates me. If it turns out that the prosecution has no more evidence out there than we know at this present time (or at least, no more evidence of a decisive nature), then I will sadly conclude that I was wrong about this, and that those of you who disagree with me are right- that this woman must have been pressured into charging Zimmerman, that she should not have charged him. I will feel that way whether or not Zimmerman is ultimately convicted. There had better be new evidence. Otherwise the system is not what I thought it was. If Zimmerman is convicted based on the evidence the public knows now, that will be a travesty of justice. Zimmerman's actual guilt or innocence is much less relevant to me than the integrity of the system. There HAS to be new evidence, or there's been a royal screwing here.

I for one welcome your daily updates on what Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitchell are saying on HLN....thanks for your efforts

I prefer Pantagraph News.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Maybe she will just try to pull a Lt. Caffey on Zimmermans Col. Jessip.

 

[Guest]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Florida is screwy but in most states self-defense is something that the defendant has to prove. So given that he admitted that he intentionally killed Martin, the prosecution's case would be pretty perfunctory. The real case would be in Zimmerman trying to prove that he only acted defending himself.

Prosecution needs to proove intent first.

It doesn't read like it.

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0782/Sections/0782.04.htmlIt reads as if they would just have to prove that the actions shows a disregard for human life not that there was any specific intent held by the defendant. In any case, I didn't say they didn't have to prove anything, just that there wasn't a whole lot in question.

 

[ATC1]

Wait....I've lost track. So now Tim has trust in the public officials, because just a couple days ago, he had little faith saying that it was all about race and how unfairly all black people are treated by public officials. Jeez....I need a freakin' notebook!

Notebooks won't work for Tim.He's an ace backpedaller.

I don't think I am. But here's what I will concede to you guys:Like many of you, I will be watching this case very closely, because it fascinates me. If it turns out that the prosecution has no more evidence out there than we know at this present time (or at least, no more evidence of a decisive nature), then I will sadly conclude that I was wrong about this, and that those of you who disagree with me are right- that this woman must have been pressured into charging Zimmerman, that she should not have charged him. I will feel that way whether or not Zimmerman is ultimately convicted. There had better be new evidence. Otherwise the system is not what I thought it was. If Zimmerman is convicted based on the evidence the public knows now, that will be a travesty of justice. Zimmerman's actual guilt or innocence is much less relevant to me than the integrity of the system. There HAS to be new evidence, or there's been a royal screwing here.

I agree with this.

 

[timschochet]

First important question: will a bond be granted?

Make a prediction.

 

[FavreCo]

Rioters rejoice as they are 1 step closer to that brand new flat screen TV, ask judge for a speedy trial.

Actually, this has delayed their shopping spree.

However, it gives them a better idea on the exact date and time to riot, thus increasing their chances of getting the TV they have scouted out.

 

[jon_mx]

First important question: will a bond be granted? Make a prediction.

Without a doubt.

 

[identikit]

Wait....I've lost track. So now Tim has trust in the public officials, because just a couple days ago, he had little faith saying that it was all about race and how unfairly all black people are treated by public officials. Jeez....I need a freakin' notebook!

Notebooks won't work for Tim.He's an ace backpedaller.

I don't think I am. But here's what I will concede to you guys:Like many of you, I will be watching this case very closely, because it fascinates me. If it turns out that the prosecution has no more evidence out there than we know at this present time (or at least, no more evidence of a decisive nature),

There will undoubtedly be important evidence than what we have now, since very little that we do have now is clear at all.

then I will sadly conclude that I was wrong about this, and that those of you who disagree with me are right- that this woman must have been pressured into charging Zimmerman, that she should not have charged him. I will feel that way whether or not Zimmerman is ultimately convicted. There had better be new evidence. Otherwise the system is not what I thought it was.

The two ideas that 1) she was pressured and 2) that she charged him for valid reasons aren't mutually exclusive. They could both be very easily true.

If Zimmerman is convicted based on the evidence the public knows now, that will be a travesty of justice. Zimmerman's actual guilt or innocence is much less relevant to me than the integrity of the system. There HAS to be new evidence, or there's been a royal screwing here.

I agree with this.

Bolded

 

[ATC1]

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0782/Sections/0782.04.htmlIt reads as if they would just have to prove that the actions shows a disregard for human life not that there was any specific intent held by the defendant. In any case, I didn't say they didn't have to prove anything, just that there wasn't a whole lot in question.

Agreed.

 

[SacramentoBob]

So was this guy on the run or not?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Love how the pro-Zimm crowd is backpedaling to "well she had no choice but to charge him now".

there was a pro-zimm crowd in here?I'll take a link...

 

[pettifogger]

Christo has stated several times in this thread that Zimmerman must testify in his own behalf. He (Christo) has explained that this is necessary because Zimmerman's defense will be that he acted in self-defense. I am not enough of a legal expert to give an opinion on this, but I can't remember the last time in one of these high-profile cases the accused actually took the stand. Any of you guys with some legal expertise agree with Christo on this point? Do you really think Zimmerman will testify? I hope Christo is right, especially if the case is televised, because that will make extreme drama.

Highly unlikely he'd testify. The 911 tape will come in as will his statements to the police on the night of the shooting. So why expose yourself to cross examination when your story of what happened is already in front of the jury? As for the 2nd degree charge if he did use a racial slur on the 911 tape before confronting the kid, an/or if it is the kid's voice shouting "no" right before the shot, there seems to be enough for 2nd degree. If those two items are not the facts, then it seems unlikely they could convict of anything more than manslaughter. The 2nd degree charge may have been included for procedural reasons, it could be dropped later before submission to a jury but it might have been problematic to add it if it was not charged at the outset. Depends on Florida criminal procedure rules. There's a lot that we don't know, such as what the police observed and wrote in their reports, if Zimmerman was taped when he was interviewed, if they took photos of his nose/scalp/jersey, what the forensic report shows about the angle of the entry wound and if they can tell whether the kid's hands were at his side or up at the time, or if he was laying with his back to the ground, what voice analysis of the 911 recordings shows, etc. We have only snippets of info about Mr. Zimmerman's past, I understand there was a resisting arrest or obstruction charge, and a domestic civil dispute/restraining order issue. All of that will be fleshed out too, not to mention the victim's past. This thread will keep on giving for a while.

 

[The Commish]

Love how the pro-Zimm crowd is backpedaling to "well she had no choice but to charge him now".

there was a pro-zimm crowd in here?I'll take a link...

Do you also have problems finding the ocean when you're on the beach?

 

[pettifogger]

Rioters rejoice as they are 1 step closer to that brand new flat screen TV, ask judge for a speedy trial.

Actually, this has delayed their shopping spree.

However, it gives them a better idea on the exact date and time to riot, thus increasing their chances of getting the TV they have scouted out.

I would think the cable news networks have the most to rejoice about, plus everyone from Rev. Al Sharpton to Rush Limbaugh.

 

[The Commish]

Why do I have a feeling this will see a plea deal before it sees a courtroom?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Love how the pro-Zimm crowd is backpedaling to "well she had no choice but to charge him now".

there was a pro-zimm crowd in here?I'll take a link...

Do you also have problems finding the ocean when you're on the beach?

If I am on a beach in Arizona, yes.

 

[Fennis]

Love how the pro-Zimm crowd is backpedaling to "well she had no choice but to charge him now".

there was a pro-zimm crowd in here?I'll take a link...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showuser=35609

 

[jon_mx]

Why do I have a feeling this will see a plea deal before it sees a courtroom?

It will never happen.

 

[The Commish]

Love how the pro-Zimm crowd is backpedaling to "well she had no choice but to charge him now".

there was a pro-zimm crowd in here?I'll take a link...

Do you also have problems finding the ocean when you're on the beach?

If I am on a beach in Arizona, yes.

Sorry...I was using the well known definition of beach in this case.

 

[Christo]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Florida is screwy but in most states self-defense is something that the defendant has to prove. So given that he admitted that he intentionally killed Martin, the prosecution's case would be pretty perfunctory. The real case would be in Zimmerman trying to prove that he only acted defending himself.

Prosecution needs to proove intent first.

It doesn't read like it.

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0782/Sections/0782.04.htmlIt reads as if they would just have to prove that the actions shows a disregard for human life not that there was any specific intent held by the defendant. In any case, I didn't say they didn't have to prove anything, just that there wasn't a whole lot in question.

Intent, no. But state of mind is a requirement:

An act is ―imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind if it is an

act or series of acts that:

1. a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do

serious bodily injury to another, and

2. is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent, and

3. is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.

 

[cr8f]

2nd degree murder Wow. I wonder what evidence they have we don't know about. I wouldn't expect this from Florida.

She must have something we don't know about. I was expecting manslaughter, maybe the jury could pick between the 2 charges.

 

[The Commish]

Christo...would it be considered "ill will" if he was using racially charged labels like "coon" or "*****" etc? Is that what "ill will" means? Sorry for the dumb question, but I find it easier to get answers rather than assume.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Nothing I said is actually in dispute is it?Zimmerman killed someone.I think people who kill someone should be forced to prove self-defense court in most cases.I think Zimmerman is clinically whacked.Based on 'whacked,' I believe it's likely that parts of his story are proved to be lies.I don't believe it's open and shut that he'll beat the rap even in FL, though I think he's got decent shot.Which of those statements are you taking issue with?As for 'innocent' - I'm glad we live in a country where the burden is on the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime before they lock them up. At the same time, to the degree that I care I take some comfort that Zimmerman is going to live with this every day, and deal with it every time he meets someone new for the rest of his life. Just like OJ, I don't care much if he beats the rap - Zimmerman initiated and continued a completely avoidable and pointless encounter that resulted in death of a 17 year old who was minding his OFB and doing nothing wrong.

 

[jon_mx]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Nothing I said is actually in dispute is it?Zimmerman killed someone.I think people who kill someone should be forced to prove self-defense court in most cases.I think Zimmerman is clinically whacked.Based on 'whacked,' I believe it's likely that parts of his story are proved to be lies.I don't believe it's open and shut that he'll beat the rap even in FL, though I think he's got decent shot.Which of those statements are you taking issue with?As for 'innocent' - I'm glad we live in a country where the burden is on the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime before they lock them up. At the same time, to the degree that I care I take some comfort that Zimmerman is going to live with this every day, and deal with it every time he meets someone new for the rest of his life. Just like OJ, I don't care much if he beats the rap - Zimmerman initiated and continued a completely avoidable and pointless encounter that resulted in death of a 17 year old who was minding his OFB and doing nothing wrong.

Every statement you made which start with 'I think' or 'I believe' are very much in dispute and/or just plain false assertions. I suppose it technically true you may think them, but they are factually incorrect.

 

[phrozen]

Wait....I've lost track. So now Tim has trust in the public officials, because just a couple days ago, he had little faith saying that it was all about race and how unfairly all black people are treated by public officials. Jeez....I need a freakin' notebook!

Yep. No contradiction whatsoever. I have faith in the system. I don't like the way that blacks are treated by police, and I think it may have affected this case in the early stages. But where I have always differed with some of my more progressive friends (including the black ones) is that ultimately I believe. Mistakes are made. Deliberate wrongs happen. But we live in the greatest country on Earth and our justice system is a part of it. I'm not ashamed to say it, and I'm not ashamed to be called naive. I believe.

how many black progressive friends we talking here tim?

 

[ATC1]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Nothing I said is actually in dispute is it?Zimmerman killed someone.

I think people who kill someone should be forced to prove self-defense court in most cases.

I think Zimmerman is clinically whacked.

Based on 'whacked,' I believe it's likely that parts of his story are proved to be lies.

I don't believe it's open and shut that he'll beat the rap even in FL, though I think he's got decent shot.

Which of those statements are you taking issue with?

As for 'innocent' - I'm glad we live in a country where the burden is on the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime before they lock them up. At the same time, to the degree that I care I take some comfort that Zimmerman is going to live with this every day, and deal with it every time he meets someone new for the rest of his life. Just like OJ, I don't care much if he beats the rap - Zimmerman initiated and continued a completely avoidable and pointless encounter that resulted in death of a 17 year old who was minding his OFB and doing nothing wrong.

Every part where you enter your opinion.Unreal. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

First important question: will a bond be granted? Make a prediction.

No bond, this has already been decided..

 

[fatness]

Why do I have a feeling this will see a plea deal before it sees a courtroom?

Because you're afraid Christo will be in the courtroom, and the trial will take 7 years.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Rioters rejoice as they are 1 step closer to that brand new flat screen TV, ask judge for a speedy trial.

Actually, this has delayed their shopping spree.

However, it gives them a better idea on the exact date and time to riot, thus increasing their chances of getting the TV they have scouted out.

But also gives these guys a better idea of the date as well..Come and GET IT!!

 

[fatness]

BTW, I've read a lot of comments here and elsewhere talking about riots.

Links to the riots that have been going on are appreciated. Thanks.

 

[SacramentoBob]

BTW, I've read a lot of comments here and elsewhere talking about riots.Links to the riots that have been going on are appreciated. Thanks.

Any gathering of 2 or more black people is a riot to some people in this thread.

 

[fatness]

I hope she knows something we I don't know.

Most people do.

 

[Christo]

Christo...would it be considered "ill will" if he was using racially charged labels like "coon" or "*****" etc? Is that what "ill will" means? Sorry for the dumb question, but I find it easier to get answers rather than assume.

The difficulty is linking the thought with the gun shot.Second degree murder: You walk in on your wife having sex with your best friend. He runs. The next day he comes up to you at the golf club to apologize. You grab your 9-iron from your bag and crack him upside the head a few times. It's not first degree murder because it wasn't premeditated. It's not manslaughter because too much time passed between catching him in bed and hitting him. But the act of swinging the club was caused by the ill will you have against him for sleeping with your wife.Let's assume here Zimmerman did call Martin a coon. It occurred several minutes before the gun shot. What happened between the time he said coon and pulled the trigger is very important. If Martin was the one who turned the encounter from verbal to physical, the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that racial animus is what caused Zimmerman to pull the trigger rather than Zimmerman pulling the trigger because Martin was hitting him.

 

[jon_mx]

First important question: will a bond be granted? Make a prediction.

No bond, this has already been decided..

On what basis? Is Zimmerman gonna flee? Is Zimmerman dangerous? Don't see a good argument to be made to deny bail.

 

[Courtjester]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Nothing I said is actually in dispute is it?Zimmerman killed someone.I think people who kill someone should be forced to prove self-defense court in most cases.I think Zimmerman is clinically whacked.Based on 'whacked,' I believe it's likely that parts of his story are proved to be lies.I don't believe it's open and shut that he'll beat the rap even in FL, though I think he's got decent shot.Which of those statements are you taking issue with?As for 'innocent' - I'm glad we live in a country where the burden is on the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime before they lock them up. At the same time, to the degree that I care I take some comfort that Zimmerman is going to live with this every day, and deal with it every time he meets someone new for the rest of his life. Just like OJ, I don't care much if he beats the rap - Zimmerman initiated and continued a completely avoidable and pointless encounter that resulted in death of a 17 year old who was minding his OFB and doing nothing wrong.

Every statement you made which start with 'I think' or 'I believe' are very much in dispute and/or just plain false assertions. I suppose it technically true you may think them, but they are factually incorrect.

And just to clarify Zimm doesn't have to "prove" anything. He is the defendant in this case and it is up to the DA to prove that he committed this crime beyond a reasonable doubt. All he has to do is provide a hint of doubt via a defense.

 

[Fennis]

First important question: will a bond be granted? Make a prediction.

No bond, this has already been decided..

On what basis? Is Zimmerman gonna flee? Is Zimmerman dangerous? Don't see a good argument to be made to deny bail.

what percent of people who are charged with 2nd degree murder in FL get bail?

 

[jon_mx]

BTW, I've read a lot of comments here and elsewhere talking about riots.Links to the riots that have been going on are appreciated. Thanks.

Link to where people said riots were happening.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Christo...would it be considered "ill will" if he was using racially charged labels like "coon" or "*****" etc? Is that what "ill will" means? Sorry for the dumb question, but I find it easier to get answers rather than assume.

If those names can be used outside of a racially motivated crime indictment, to prove 'Ill will', I would assume "These ###holes" would do just the same.. And certainly no arguing whether or not he said it..