Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[Carolina Hustler]

Statements reveal George Zimmerman’s mind-set before Trayvon Martin shooting.

http://bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view.bg?articleid=1061141042

For the first time last week, we heard Zimmerman, in his own words, explain to police what he said was going through his mind after he spotted the teen in his Sanford, Fla., neighborhood Feb. 26.

One thing is clear: To Zimmerman, it was not an isolated incident. It was the culmination of mounting concern and frustration about crime in the subdivision where he was Neighborhood Watch captain.

During the re-enactment, Zimmerman told officers the dispatcher asked whether he could re-establish eye contact with the teenager. A review of his call shows that’s not true.

Zimmerman drove a short distance down the street and again spotted Trayvon, he said.

Trayvon "came down and circled my car. ... He had his hand in his waistband," Zimmerman said during the re-enactment. Then Trayvon disappeared again, Zimmerman said.

One of the most debated questions about that night is: Why did Zimmerman get out of his pickup?

Zimmerman blames a question from the dispatcher and a bad memory. The dispatcher asked where Trayvon was and what direction he was headed, "and I could not remember the name of that street," Zimmerman said, "... then I thought to get out to look at a street sign, so I got out and started walking."

When the dispatcher asked whether he was following Trayvon, Zimmerman answered that he was. But when questioned later by detectives, he said he was trying to get a better address for police.

"I was just going in the same direction he was," Zimmerman said.

Serino grilled Zimmerman on the discrepancy.

"It sounds like you’re looking for him," Serino said. "You wanted to catch him. You wanted to catch the bad guy."

Detectives also played a 911 call, in which cries for help are audible. The issue of who was crying - Zimmerman or Trayvon - has been hotly debated.

"That doesn’t even sound like me," Zimmerman said. It’s unclear whether he was indicating that the voice might not be his, or just that his tone was so frightened he didn’t recognize it.

Zimmerman’s account of the death of Trayvon Martin begins long before he ever encountered the teen.

In fact, he spent the first several minutes of the interview talking about a string of earlier events that he says led to the fatal encounter.

"The neighborhood has had a lot of crimes," Zimmerman said. "My wife saw our neighbors get broken into, and she was scared ... so I decided to start a Neighborhood Watch program in my neighborhood."...(Thats for you C.H...he started the program, hence the self proclaimed watchman term...yes the community agreed after he approached them)[/B]

Zimmerman told Singleton that he had called police to report suspicious people multiple times, but "these guys always get away."

Regarding the name of the street issue, I've lived in my neighborhood for eight years and can't tell you the names of streets that are two and three blocks away. So I don't think it is THAT strange that he not remember the street names.

Same here. I know 2 street names in my neighborhood. The entrance, and my street which you turn onto from the entrance.. I have 2 culdesacs on either side of me. there are 3 houses on my street between them. I'm the middle house... So yes, 2 streets, that are each 1 house away from mine, and I couldn't tell you the names of them.. I've walked them with the kids during Halloween, but I've never had a reason to memorize their names..

A reason sort of like being head of your neighborhood watch?

You guys are picking insignificant nits..You'll still stumble over the biggest problem with your case..

There was an eye witness, that saw Zimmerman calling out for help, pinned and pummeled by Treyvon... Until that witness is removed from the equation, it doesn't matter if he says there were Kamikaze planes flying in.. That witness corroborates the most important part of his story.. That witness puts him in a position where he could have feared, and was calling for help..

There is also the problem of explaining why Treyvon didn't make it to his house if he was actually running from Zimmerman, and didn't double back to confront him.. He had plenty of time to make it home between the time Zimmerman lost him and the time Zimmerman got off the phone..

Picking at nits? The reason he actually got out of the car is a nit? Gotcha. But then again, we already know you're going to shoehorn everything so that it meets your conception of the whole affair.

Show me one time when you've given anything but an anti-Zimmerman perspective..I can show you several in the last several pages where I've viewed things from the opposite side..

You can't even admit there are some serious obstacles for the prosecution. And you're accusing me of being one sided..

Whatever buddy..

When have I ever denied there aren't serious obstacles for the prosecution? You're at odds with so many people you can't even keep them straight.eta: I'm anti-Zimmerman because whether it's legally deemed to be so or not, he's the reason that Martin is dead because Zimmerman is a wannabe cop with a violent past, carrying a gun while following strangers around.

When have you ever admitted it.. ?? That was my question.. You can either answer that question or deflect.. The first time I asked, you deflected. You want to try again?Can you show me 1 post of yours in here where you've conceded anything to the opposition?

There, 2 questions for you, lets see if you answer them..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

 

[jon_mx]

When have you ever admitted it.. ?? That was my question.. You can either answer that question or deflect.. The first time I asked, you deflected. You want to try again?Can you show me 1 post of yours in here where you've conceded anything to the opposition? There, 2 questions for you, lets see if you answer them..

Good luck with that.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

Not really

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

The audio interviews are better

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

I've seen these.. I just don't believe the inconsistencies are as large or as numerous as you think they are.. Like I said, I believe he's embellished his story, but I don't think that makes him guilty unless we remove the eye witness who has corroborated the most important part of his story..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

I've seen these.. I just don't believe the inconsistencies are as large or as numerous as you think they are.. Like I said, I believe he's embellished his story, but I don't think that makes him guilty unless we remove the eye witness who has corroborated the most important part of his story..

did you listen to the audio ones with serino ?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

I've seen these.. I just don't believe the inconsistencies are as large or as numerous as you think they are.. Like I said, I believe he's embellished his story, but I don't think that makes him guilty unless we remove the eye witness who has corroborated the most important part of his story..

did you listen to the audio ones with serino ?

I've listened to many, but no I didn't click on the ones in your link. I assume I've heard at least some of them.So I don't have to listen to all of them again, can you tell me which one you're talking about? I'll listen to it..And if you don't mind, tell me what you think of DeeDee's deposition.

 

[Witz]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

I've seen these.. I just don't believe the inconsistencies are as large or as numerous as you think they are.. Like I said, I believe he's embellished his story, but I don't think that makes him guilty unless we remove the eye witness who has corroborated the most important part of his story..

did you listen to the audio ones with serino ?

I've listened to many, but no I didn't click on the ones in your link. I assume I've heard at least some of them.So I don't have to listen to all of them again, can you tell me which one you're talking about? I'll listen to it..

And if you don't mind, tell me what you thing of DeeDee's deposition.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for him to comment on that as there is no way he can twist what she said into a positive for his cause.

 

[Witz]

Amazing how a single emoticon can sum up BK's crusade. Keep up the good fight!

 

[timschochet]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

I've seen these.. I just don't believe the inconsistencies are as large or as numerous as you think they are.. Like I said, I believe he's embellished his story, but I don't think that makes him guilty unless we remove the eye witness who has corroborated the most important part of his story..

did you listen to the audio ones with serino ?

I've listened to many, but no I didn't click on the ones in your link. I assume I've heard at least some of them.So I don't have to listen to all of them again, can you tell me which one you're talking about? I'll listen to it..

And if you don't mind, tell me what you thing of DeeDee's deposition.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for him to comment on that as there is no way he can twist what she said into a positive for his cause.

First of all i never considered what she had to say helpful, i do however think that the fact he was on the phone with her or anyone for that matter right up until the confrontation is key. As far as she goes , she sounds like a typical 16 yo girl who has been coached and is sick of talking about the whole thing.Getting any teen to say more than 2 word answers to any grown up is like pulling teeth. She doesnt sound very smart either.I did notice that she became more vocal when she talked about the moments right up until the phone went dead, like she did when her original statement was made some time back. Then she talks softer and less when she starts adding things that she didnt say before.

 

[timschochet]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

 

[Witz]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

I've seen these.. I just don't believe the inconsistencies are as large or as numerous as you think they are.. Like I said, I believe he's embellished his story, but I don't think that makes him guilty unless we remove the eye witness who has corroborated the most important part of his story..

did you listen to the audio ones with serino ?

I've listened to many, but no I didn't click on the ones in your link. I assume I've heard at least some of them.So I don't have to listen to all of them again, can you tell me which one you're talking about? I'll listen to it..

And if you don't mind, tell me what you thing of DeeDee's deposition.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for him to comment on that as there is no way he can twist what she said into a positive for his cause.

First of all i never considered what she had to say helpful, i do however think that the fact he was on the phone with her or anyone for that matter right up until the confrontation is key. As far as she goes , she sounds like a typical 16 yo girl who has been coached and is sick of talking about the whole thing.Getting any teen to say more than 2 word answers to any grown up is like pulling teeth. She doesnt sound very smart either.I did notice that she became more vocal when she talked about the moments right up until the phone went dead, like she did when her original statement was made some time back. Then she talks softer and less when she starts adding things that she didnt say before.

Thank you and I agree with most of what you say. It's a tough spot for her to be in no matter what (being among the last people to speak with Martin before he died) and especially at the age she was. Very unfortunate.

 

[Witz]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

Agree to an extent - difference though is around the overall context in the change to the witness statements. In the case of the girlfriend, her first statements don't offer much insight into the confrontation; her adding that Martin said something (not going back to dig up the extact phrase) like 'Get off me' dramatically changes her witness statement. In the case of the witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, that statement hasn't changed for that witness.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

In his statement at the police station, he knew off the top of his head the name of the company that did video surveillance of the gates, and the person to contact, and had their phone # in his phone. And he claimed he walked his dog regularly down that very same path. There are only 3 streets, and he's their watch captain. And yet.... He didn't know the name of the street so had to get out his truck to look for a street sign and then down a foot path to another street to get an address!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

That witness is the only thing they have left, so you know they are going to hang the proverbial hat on that one guy.The detective serino kept talking about a witness that tells a very different story than zimmermans , so who knows if any of them will wipe the other out or not.

 

[kutta]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

In his statement at the police station, he knew off the top of his head the name of the company that did video surveillance of the gates, and the person to contact, and had their phone # in his phone. And he claimed he walked his dog regularly down that very same path. There are only 3 streets, and he's their watch captain. And yet.... He didn't know the name of the street so had to get out his truck to look for a street sign and then down a foot path to another street to get an address!

Are you at least willing to admit you are wrong about dispatch not asking him for an address?

 

[Witz]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

That witness is the only thing they have left, so you know they are going to hang the proverbial hat on that one guy.The detective serino kept talking about a witness that tells a very different story than zimmermans , so who knows if any of them will wipe the other out or not.

Thanks for the good laugh before bed.

 

[timschochet]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

Agree to an extent - difference though is around the overall context in the change to the witness statements. In the case of the girlfriend, her first statements don't offer much insight into the confrontation; her adding that Martin said something (not going back to dig up the extact phrase) like 'Get off me' dramatically changes her witness statement. In the case of the witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, that statement hasn't changed for that witness.

Who knows? I've never read that witness's statement, have you? All I've ever read was a newspaper summary.

 

[Witz]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

Agree to an extent - difference though is around the overall context in the change to the witness statements. In the case of the girlfriend, her first statements don't offer much insight into the confrontation; her adding that Martin said something (not going back to dig up the extact phrase) like 'Get off me' dramatically changes her witness statement. In the case of the witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, that statement hasn't changed for that witness.

Who knows? I've never read that witness's statement, have you? All I've ever read was a newspaper summary.

 

[Neofight]

Really? That's the way you understood her comment telling him to run fast and him saying he wasn't going to run but he would walk? I've read the conversation with the cop; it doesn't read like you say it does. She doesn't claim he said that.

You must have missed the recorded deposition with the prosecutor then I guess.. Listen to that.. She said he was going home..at 8:48 then again at 16:28

You must've missed what you wrote earlier.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

What I've heard from John Doe sounded more credible.. The girl sounds like she's been coached and like she was making things up. She also changed her story a little bit.So until John Doe goofs up his testimony the same way I'll continue to put more weight in what he says..

Obviously all this has to make it through cross examination, but I have to think this girl will have a harder time with that kind of testimony in court. "It sounded a little like" and "you could say that" doesn't cut it in a court room. "I coulda heard Trayvon say that"...

Maybe John will botch his testimony as well.. but he hasn't yet..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

That witness is the only thing they have left, so you know they are going to hang the proverbial hat on that one guy.The detective serino kept talking about a witness that tells a very different story than zimmermans , so who knows if any of them will wipe the other out or not.

I'd like to know if that's something we haven't seen yet. Because everything else we've seen is pretty much useless..And regarding "That witness is the only thing they have left".. The prosecution has to prove him guilty. Right now he's innocent. That witness and his own testimony are pretty much the whole case. DeeDee ranks high on the list as well.. But other than that, What does the prosecution have? There was only 1 eye witness, and there was only 1 witness that can say she knows who said what.

You guys are saying "he didn't get out of his truck to check the street" but he says he did, and there isn't proof to say he didn't.. Doesn't matter if he's been there 30 years.. People have lapses in memory..

I think most of Chaos Commish's Post was spot on..

You guys are making way too much of these "inconsistencies".. Most of what you're pointing out can either be explained away, or will bare no fruit in court.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Carolina Hustler is right to this extent: if there is a witness who clearly saw Martin on top of Zimmerman swinging punches, then Zimmerman is probably going to be acquitted. Too much reasonable doubt if that happens.

However, none of us have any idea how solid this witness is going to turn out to be. None of us know how he will hold up under cross-examination; none of us know at this point exactly what he saw. At this point I don't think any of us can make the assumption that his testimony is going to be absolute (though CH has assumed this for about a month now.) We'll just have to wait and see.

Absent that testimony, I still believe this case is going to come down to Zimmerman's credibility on the witness stand. If he appears to be full of ####, I don't think reasonable doubt is going to be enough to get him off. He'll be found guilty, at the very least, of manslaughter.

As much as I hesitate to start dialog with you again, I'm still curious about the anti-Zimmerman side's opinion of DeeDee's deposition. Will you give your opinion?

When she is on the stand she will be asked why it appears that her testimony appeared to be different later on. Her answer at that time will determine how much credibility we can give her as a witness. Until then I think it's premature to for people to either use her as proof of anything, or to discount her. But the same could be said for the witness you keep bringing up as well.

Agree to an extent - difference though is around the overall context in the change to the witness statements. In the case of the girlfriend, her first statements don't offer much insight into the confrontation; her adding that Martin said something (not going back to dig up the extact phrase) like 'Get off me' dramatically changes her witness statement. In the case of the witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, that statement hasn't changed for that witness.

Who knows? I've never read that witness's statement, have you? All I've ever read was a newspaper summary.

There is video.. It's been posted in here. Hopefully someone will link it for you because I'm to lazy to look for it..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Really? That's the way you understood her comment telling him to run fast and him saying he wasn't going to run but he would walk? I've read the conversation with the cop; it doesn't read like you say it does. She doesn't claim he said that.

You must have missed the recorded deposition with the prosecutor then I guess.. Listen to that.. She said he was going home..at 8:48 then again at 16:28

You must've missed what you wrote earlier.

You suggested, giving an anecdote as your proof, that he wouldn't be going home, in contrary to all who have suggested he most likely doubled back.. The timeline doesn't work. DeeDee says he was going home but didn't get there because he was to tired to run from Zimmerman. Lets just get through this tid bit real quick then you can move on to whatever else you're talking about..

 

[Neofight]

Really? That's the way you understood her comment telling him to run fast and him saying he wasn't going to run but he would walk? I've read the conversation with the cop; it doesn't read like you say it does. She doesn't claim he said that.

You must have missed the recorded deposition with the prosecutor then I guess.. Listen to that.. She said he was going home..at 8:48 then again at 16:28

You must've missed what you wrote earlier.

You suggested, giving an anecdote as your proof, that he wouldn't be going home, in contrary to all who have suggested he most likely doubled back.. The timeline doesn't work. DeeDee says he was going home but didn't get there because he was to tired to run from Zimmerman. Lets just get through this tid bit real quick then you can move on to whatever else you're talking about..

This ain't what you were saying earlier, kiddo. And your timeline is precisely that; your timeline.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

In his statement at the police station, he knew off the top of his head the name of the company that did video surveillance of the gates, and the person to contact, and had their phone # in his phone. And he claimed he walked his dog regularly down that very same path. There are only 3 streets, and he's their watch captain. And yet.... He didn't know the name of the street so had to get out his truck to look for a street sign and then down a foot path to another street to get an address!

Are you at least willing to admit you are wrong about dispatch not asking him for an address?

So you think when the dispatch asked zimmy what address hes parked in front of he was really asking him to get out of his truck and walk a hundred or more yards away to get it? He parked on the same street he originally told dispatch he first saw treyvon, lets not forget there are 3 streets in the complex and oak st isnt even in the equation. He`s making up stories to justify following treyvon. I guess its just like the rest of this case, people will interpet things the way they see fit.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Really? That's the way you understood her comment telling him to run fast and him saying he wasn't going to run but he would walk? I've read the conversation with the cop; it doesn't read like you say it does. She doesn't claim he said that.

You must have missed the recorded deposition with the prosecutor then I guess.. Listen to that.. She said he was going home..at 8:48 then again at 16:28

You must've missed what you wrote earlier.

You suggested, giving an anecdote as your proof, that he wouldn't be going home, in contrary to all who have suggested he most likely doubled back.. The timeline doesn't work. DeeDee says he was going home but didn't get there because he was to tired to run from Zimmerman. Lets just get through this tid bit real quick then you can move on to whatever else you're talking about..

This ain't what you were saying earlier, kiddo. And your timeline is precisely that; your timeline.

I'm just pointing to the way DeeDee contradicts your suggested reasoning.. Kiddo.. So are you wrong, or is she?The distance he traveled from where Zimmerman last saw him, and the amount of time he had based on Zimmerman's 911 call recording are both pretty hard to contest. I've never put together a timeline of my own, I haven't needed to. A slow athlete can run 40 yards(120 feet) in 6 seconds. Trayvon made it 7 yards (21 feet) in 90 seconds. It's pretty obvious that he either stopped and waited for George, or doubled back.. He had plenty of time to get home.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

In his statement at the police station, he knew off the top of his head the name of the company that did video surveillance of the gates, and the person to contact, and had their phone # in his phone. And he claimed he walked his dog regularly down that very same path. There are only 3 streets, and he's their watch captain. And yet.... He didn't know the name of the street so had to get out his truck to look for a street sign and then down a foot path to another street to get an address!

Are you at least willing to admit you are wrong about dispatch not asking him for an address?

So you think when the dispatch asked zimmy what address hes parked in front of he was really asking him to get out of his truck and walk a hundred or more yards away to get it? He parked on the same street he originally told dispatch he first saw treyvon, lets not forget there are 3 streets in the complex and oak st isn't even in the equation. He`s making up stories to justify following treyvon. I guess its just like the rest of this case, people will interpet things the way they see fit.

When he got out of his truck, he wasn't parked on the same street where he first saw Trayvon. He first saw Trayvon on Retreat View, He was parked on Twin Trees when he got out of his truckIt doesn't matter how many streets there were in his neighborhood really, if you're drawing a blank, you're drawing a blank.. Have you never forgotten someones name? A co-worker, neighbor, or family friend? You know it, but you just can't remember it at the moment.. It comes to you eventually right. Could be the same situation..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Lawyer: Zimmerman is no threat, should be released

By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The jailed neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Trayvon Martin poses no threat to the community and should be released a second time on bail, his attorney said in a court motion released Monday

George Zimmerman's attorney asked that Zimmerman be granted bond for a second time as he awaits a second-degree murder charge in the 17-year-old Martin's shooting death during a confrontation in February in a gated community in Sanford, Fla. His attorney says Zimmerman isn't a flight risk and stayed in touch with law enforcement during his initial release on bail.

A judge will consider the request at a second bond hearing Friday.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense.

The neighborhood watch volunteer was granted a $150,000 bond last April but it was revoked earlier this month after prosecutors accused Zimmerman and his wife of misleading the court about how much money they had raised from donations to a website. Prosecutors say they had raised at least $135,000 from the website created by Zimmerman.

During the hearing, Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, testified that the couple had limited funds to use for bail since she was a fulltime nursing student and he wasn't working. Zimmerman did nothing to correct her as she testified by telephone due to safety concerns. Prosecutors say jailhouse calls between Zimmerman and his wife a few days before the hearing show the neighborhood watch volunteer instructing his wife on how to transfer funds raised by the website to her account.

Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, was later charged with making a false statement.

"Mr. Zimmerman's failure to advise the court of the existence of the donated funds at the initial bail hearing was wrong and Mr. Zimmerman accepts responsibility for his part in allowing the court to be misled as to his true financial circumstances," Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara wrote in the motion.

O'Mara also will ask Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester to reconsider his decision to make public all of Zimmerman's jailhouse calls and the statement of an unnamed witness. O'Mara said most of the calls aren't subject to the state's public records laws and the witness statement is irrelevant and could prejudice a potential jury.

Attorneys for two sets of media groups filed motions Monday arguing there was no need for the judge to reconsider his decision.

"There should be no further delay in the public's access to these public records," attorney Scott Ponce wrote in a motion for one media group that includes The Associated Press.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman lawyer argues for new bond

(CNN) -- George Zimmerman "accepts full responsibility" for misleading the judge about his finances, his lawyer said in a motion requesting a "reasonable bond" be set for his release from jail.

Zimmerman, 28, is a neighborhood watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder in connection with the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, 17, in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood in February. He told police he shot the teenager in self-defense and has pleaded not guilty.

He was ordered back to jail earlier this month, when a Florida judge who set his bond in April revoked it, citing the misrepresentation of about $150,000 in donations in an account controlled by Zimmerman that he had not disclosed at the April 20 bond hearing.

"Mr. Zimmerman's failure to advise the court of the existence of the donated funds at the initial bail hearing was wrong and Mr. Zimmerman accepts responsibility for his part in allowing the court to be misled as to his true financial circumstances," lead defense attorney Mark O'Mara wrote in a motion filed Friday. "Counsel, however, points to Mr. Zimmerman's voluntary disclosure of the fund and immediate surrender of any interest in the donated money through transfer of the fund to counsel for deposit in trust."

The money is now "under the control of an independent trustee and is not accessible to Mr. Zimmerman or his family," the motion said. "Any expenditure on behalf of Mr. Zimmerman must be approved by the fund administrator."

Zimmerman does have $20,000 "for ongoing living expenses," the motion said.

O'Mara is asking Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to set a bond similar to the $150,000 bond initially given Zimmerman, arguing that he poses no danger to the community, is not a flight risk, and "cooperated fully" with police before his arrest.

"While released on the court's initial bond, Mr. Zimmerman fully complied with the conditions of his release; and when directed to surrender himself after the court revoked, he did so timely," the motion said.

His wife, Shellie Zimmerman, was arrested on a perjury charge on June 12, accused of lying at her husband's bond hearing about the couple's finances. She was released later that day after meeting the conditions of a $1,000 bond, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said.

Recordings of jailhouse phone calls showed that despite telling the court they were indigent during his April bond hearing, Zimmerman and his wife discussed -- in code, according to prosecutors -- money raised online to help in his defense.

Six calls made public Monday, out of about 151 total that Zimmerman made while incarcerated, appear to back up the prosecutor's assertions.

At her husband's April 20 bond hearing, Shellie Zimmerman testified she didn't know how much had been raised through the website her husband had set up before charges were filed.

And when asked whether the couple had money available to assist in his defense, she replied, "Um, not -- not that I'm aware of."

In one jailhouse phone conversation, Zimmerman asks his wife, "In my account, do I have at least $100?" She answers no, then tells him he has more like "$8, $8.60."

"So total everything, how much are we looking at?" Zimmerman asks his wife.

"Like $155," she responds.

Prosecutors claim the husband and wife were speaking in a type of code about their available funds, an assertion Zimmerman's lawyer said the defense has "never contested."

"There's no question that they were talking in this sort of simplistic kind of code, where they were talking about $155 when, without question, they were talking about $155,000," O'Mara told CNN's Piers Morgan.

In another call, Zimmerman asked his wife to "pay off all the bills," including Sam's Club and American Express bills, prosecutors said.

The couple also discussed how much money can be accessed and what to do with it, including transferring funds that were raised online for his defense to accounts belonging to Zimmerman's sister and wife, prosecutors said in a probable cause affidavit.

Prosecutors alleged the couple actually had about $135,000 of donations at their disposal when they both told the court, under oath, they were indigent.

O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer, later said his client ended up netting a total of $204,000 via PayPal accounts -- about $150,000 of which is now in an independently managed trust after $30,000 was used to pay for "life in hiding" and $20,000 has been kept liquid.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

Not really

Zimmerman repeatedly told police that Trayvon Martin sucker-punched him, tried to suffocate him and bashed his head into the concrete to the point it felt his “head was going to explode.” He said Trayvon tried to take his gun from him before saying: “You’re going to die tonight, motherf-----.” But Serino wondered why Zimmerman’s skull wasn’t fractured, why he didn’t know the street names of a tiny neighborhood where he’d lived for three years and why he had no defensive wounds on his hands. Serino got him to acknowledge what Trayvon’s parents and lawyers have said all along: that Zimmerman got out of his car that night not so much to check for an address to give police, but to find out where the teen went.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

I've seen these.. I just don't believe the inconsistencies are as large or as numerous as you think they are.. Like I said, I believe he's embellished his story, but I don't think that makes him guilty unless we remove the eye witness who has corroborated the most important part of his story..

did you listen to the audio ones with serino ?

I've listened to many, but no I didn't click on the ones in your link. I assume I've heard at least some of them.So I don't have to listen to all of them again, can you tell me which one you're talking about? I'll listen to it..

And if you don't mind, tell me what you thing of DeeDee's deposition.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for him to comment on that as there is no way he can twist what she said into a positive for his cause.

First of all i never considered what she had to say helpful, i do however think that the fact he was on the phone with her or anyone for that matter right up until the confrontation is key. As far as she goes , she sounds like a typical 16 yo girl who has been coached and is sick of talking about the whole thing.Getting any teen to say more than 2 word answers to any grown up is like pulling teeth. She doesnt sound very smart either.I did notice that she became more vocal when she talked about the moments right up until the phone went dead, like she did when her original statement was made some time back. Then she talks softer and less when she starts adding things that she didnt say before.

Thank you and I agree with most of what you say. It's a tough spot for her to be in no matter what (being among the last people to speak with Martin before he died) and especially at the age she was. Very unfortunate.

What bothers me is zimmermans version of when trey confronted him, i find it very hard to believe it went down that way if treyvon was still on the phone with his GF...doesnt add up.If he was talking to his GF and it was zimmerman who saw trey and approached him , that makes more sense. That and the witness who stated that he heard talking then arguing before a fight.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

Not really

Zimmerman repeatedly told police that Trayvon Martin sucker-punched him, tried to suffocate him and bashed his head into the concrete to the point it felt his “head was going to explode.” He said Trayvon tried to take his gun from him before saying: “You’re going to die tonight, motherf-----.” But Serino wondered why Zimmerman’s skull wasn’t fractured, why he didn’t know the street names of a tiny neighborhood where he’d lived for three years and why he had no defensive wounds on his hands. Serino got him to acknowledge what Trayvon’s parents and lawyers have said all along: that Zimmerman got out of his car that night not so much to check for an address to give police, but to find out where the teen went.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

Can you tell me which recording that is in? Not saying it didn't happen.. Just that I'd like to hear it for myself rather than trust sensationalized reporting that would also say "minor injuries that did not match the beating he said he received at the hands of a “child” who carried candy." Obviously the candy has no part in this story.. And the "child" was bigger than Zimmerman.. The reporter also isn't qualified to classify Zimmerman's injuries as "minor"..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

I've seen these.. I just don't believe the inconsistencies are as large or as numerous as you think they are.. Like I said, I believe he's embellished his story, but I don't think that makes him guilty unless we remove the eye witness who has corroborated the most important part of his story..

did you listen to the audio ones with serino ?

I've listened to many, but no I didn't click on the ones in your link. I assume I've heard at least some of them.So I don't have to listen to all of them again, can you tell me which one you're talking about? I'll listen to it..

And if you don't mind, tell me what you thing of DeeDee's deposition.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for him to comment on that as there is no way he can twist what she said into a positive for his cause.

First of all i never considered what she had to say helpful, i do however think that the fact he was on the phone with her or anyone for that matter right up until the confrontation is key. As far as she goes , she sounds like a typical 16 yo girl who has been coached and is sick of talking about the whole thing.Getting any teen to say more than 2 word answers to any grown up is like pulling teeth. She doesnt sound very smart either.I did notice that she became more vocal when she talked about the moments right up until the phone went dead, like she did when her original statement was made some time back. Then she talks softer and less when she starts adding things that she didnt say before.

Thank you and I agree with most of what you say. It's a tough spot for her to be in no matter what (being among the last people to speak with Martin before he died) and especially at the age she was. Very unfortunate.

What bothers me is zimmermans version of when trey confronted him, i find it very hard to believe it went down that way if treyvon was still on the phone with his GF...doesnt add up.If he was talking to his GF and it was zimmerman who saw trey and approached him , that makes more sense. That and the witness who stated that he heard talking then arguing before a fight.

I guess we'd need to qualify that statement because DeeDee says in the most recent interview that they each spoke one sentence to each-other before the altercation..

 

[TexanFan02]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

 

[BustedKnuckles]

He said that dispatch asked him to get an address. That's not true.

Zimmerman:"Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck." [3:10]

Dispatcher:

"Alright, what address are you parked in front of?" [3:21]

He said that dispatch asked him to get to a point where he could see TM. That's not true.

Dispatcher:"Let me know if he does anything, OK?"

Zimmerman:

"OK."

Dispatcher:

"We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else."



(how can George let him know if he does anything if he doesn't keep Tray in sight?)

He tells the detective that it was the wind and not his running that caused the sound in the recording and that he was really walking, but then when he's walking to get the address that no one asked him to get, you don't hear any sound of the wind anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was NOT running. I said as much a couple hundred pages ago. You cannot talk as he was while running, maybe while jogging, but I preferred to say he was hustling. Over in one of the cabillion threads at JusticeQuest, a wildly anti-Zim site, someone tried to recreate the wind noise running. You cannot do it. Someone else got wind of this, tried, failed, and issued a challenge to anyone to try. What you can do is walk INTO the wind and get that exact same sound. If you turn around and walk WITH the wind, the sound disappears just like on the phone call. This suggests George headed back to his truck. You can create that sound by running into the wind, but then you have to explain his voice and him apparently turning back to go with the wind. He was hustling to the end of that building to see if he could see where Tray went, following the instructions from the dispatch bolded above. He lost him. If you think this argument developed because George said so, you're wrong. It's over a month old.

In the last few pages here, someone claimed that George chasing him down was clearly established from the beginning and not even part of the debate. That was the media narrative but it has always been BS. A billion articles making the claim doesn't make it true. They're just selling papers copying each other's terrible, lazy, sensationalized journalism.

Within the first 30 seconds of the 911 call zimmerman tells dispatch hes at 111 retreatview circle. Then the dispatch asks him what address hes parked in front of and hes says i dont know its a cut thru,but when you watch the video hes parked not far from the initial point that he first spots treyvon.

Oy, your confirmation bias is something. George's very first statement on the call is: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle."

The clubhouse was the address where Trayvon was, not George. Even that wasn't precise, it was just the best he could give because the mailbox kios where Tray was doesn't have an address. It is right next to the clubhouse though.

Then the dispatch asks for the address George is parked at and he doesn't know it. Most of the call is George bumbling for an address and with directions. George parked twice in his video walk through. Once at the clubhouse. Then he pulled out, went right on Twin Trails, saw Tray, turned around, parked again and then made the call. It's all consistent.

He also claims to know every single person that lives in that complex, but he cant remember a street name , even tho hes someone who takes his crime watching pretty damn seriously.Im not buying it.

This has nothing to do with him lying. He clearly did not know the name of the street that night. He bumbled all over the address and directions. All he knew if you listen to the call was Retreat View Circle. Mock him. But he isn't lying about it. He was clueless and couldn't give a decent answer.

Not really

Zimmerman repeatedly told police that Trayvon Martin sucker-punched him, tried to suffocate him and bashed his head into the concrete to the point it felt his “head was going to explode.” He said Trayvon tried to take his gun from him before saying: “You’re going to die tonight, motherf-----.” But Serino wondered why Zimmerman’s skull wasn’t fractured, why he didn’t know the street names of a tiny neighborhood where he’d lived for three years and why he had no defensive wounds on his hands. Serino got him to acknowledge what Trayvon’s parents and lawyers have said all along: that Zimmerman got out of his car that night not so much to check for an address to give police, but to find out where the teen went.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

Can you tell me which recording that is in? Not saying it didn't happen.. Just that I'd like to hear it for myself rather than trust sensationalized reporting that would also say "minor injuries that did not match the beating he said he received at the hands of a “child” who carried candy." Obviously the candy has no part in this story.. And the "child" was bigger than Zimmerman.. The reporter also isn't qualified to classify Zimmerman's injuries as "minor"..

the problem with the audio recordings is you can hear serino fine but zimmerman talks so damn low you cant hear his responses

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_threadThe audio interviews are better

If i was to recommend any of the auido recordings to listen to i would say Audio recorded interview with investigator serino febuary 29th (part 3). One thing that stands out is he claims to have gone to get an address but he never gives it to the dipatcher . H says he was on retreatview circle standing at the place he claims to be going to get an address ...thats strange Serino pretty much knows zimms full of crap at this point.Like serino kept asking zimm, what set this kid off ? what made him so mad that he attacked you and wanted to kill you?This kid with no prior history of violence ...what set him off.

 

[Witz]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

The audio interviews are better

If i was to recommend any of the auido recordings to listen to i would say Audio recorded interview with investigator serino febuary 29th (part 3). One thing that stands out is he claims to have gone to get an address but he never gives it to the dipatcher . H says he was on retreatview circle standing at the place he claims to be going to get an address ...thats strange Serino pretty much knows zimms full of crap at this point.

Like serino kept asking zimm, what set this kid off ? what made him so mad that he attacked you and wanted to kill you?This kid with no prior history of violence ...what set him off.

Seriously - just stop it with this. Anyone who has ever committed a violent act did at one point in their life have 'no prior history of violence'.

 

[Witz]

Since Chris Serino keeps getting brought up, here's an interesting piece of information from a witness statement about a comment he made to this witness:

After I completed the statement, I cried and told him I'll never forget the cries for help and wish I could have helped. And the investigator by the name of Chris told me "If it makes you feel any better, the crys for help were not the person that died and your statement was the same as other witnesses".

According to Serino's statement to this witness, it was Zimmerman who was crying out for help.This was in the trial documents that were released by the Sanford Police Department.

Trial Documents

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Since Chris Serino keeps getting brought up, here's an interesting piece of information from a witness statement about a comment he made to this witness:

After I completed the statement, I cried and told him I'll never forget the cries for help and wish I could have helped. And the investigator by the name of Chris told me "If it makes you feel any better, the crys for help were not the person that died and your statement was the same as other witnesses".

According to Serino's statement to this witness, it was Zimmerman who was crying out for help.This was in the trial documents that were released by the Sanford Police Department.

Trial Documents

Old news...he even says it to zimmy during the interigation i posted just above. He used it to ask why his screams werent muffled like he claims during the fight.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

The audio interviews are better

If i was to recommend any of the auido recordings to listen to i would say Audio recorded interview with investigator serino febuary 29th (part 3). One thing that stands out is he claims to have gone to get an address but he never gives it to the dipatcher . H says he was on retreatview circle standing at the place he claims to be going to get an address ...thats strange Serino pretty much knows zimms full of crap at this point.

Like serino kept asking zimm, what set this kid off ? what made him so mad that he attacked you and wanted to kill you?This kid with no prior history of violence ...what set him off.

Seriously - just stop it with this. Anyone who has ever committed a violent act did at one point in their life have 'no prior history of violence'.

Ive been in many many fights, been in some very violent situations , but i can honestly say ive never wanted to kill anyone. Its either in you or its not. Out of nowhere treyvon is a natural born killer eh? With cool catch phrases like ''you gotta problem now homie'' and you`re gonna die tonight ''

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_threadThe audio interviews are better

If i was to recommend any of the auido recordings to listen to i would say Audio recorded interview with investigator serino febuary 29th (part 3). One thing that stands out is he claims to have gone to get an address but he never gives it to the dipatcher . H says he was on retreatview circle standing at the place he claims to be going to get an address ...thats strange Serino pretty much knows zimms full of crap at this point.Like serino kept asking zimm, what set this kid off ? what made him so mad that he attacked you and wanted to kill you?This kid with no prior history of violence ...what set him off.

I don't see the address issue as being that important.. I think the bigger issue is that he was outside in the area for a prolonged period of time. He says he waited at retreat view trying to get his flashlight to work, but at some point he starts heading back...I see how someone might figure he actually was actively looking for Trayvon. Problem I have is that his story may be easily twisted. Maybe he just made a series of dumb mistakes.. It is hard to recall all details of a situation like that as well..Could be embellishing, or could be full of ####, but then again, he could be telling the truth as well.. The argument is that this doesn't sound believable, not that we have proof he's lieing... Just because Zimmerman didn't do what we can all sit around here and say is common sense, with the comfort and benefit of hindsight, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Maybe he's telling the story the best way he can remember considering the circumstances.. And ultimately, none of that even matters if he has a witness that corroborates the most important part of the story..I have doubts, but then again, as much as we can trust any of these details, these are details I think everyone is confident in believing.. We know he was getting beat up, and we know Trayvon was on top of him, and he certainly sounded scared based on those screams for help on the tape. Even if I believe none of the story leading up to the confrontation, I don't believe Zimmerman attacked the kid. So he was scared, pinned, getting beat up... Seems the shot is legally warranted at that point..

 

[Witz]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

The audio interviews are better

If i was to recommend any of the auido recordings to listen to i would say Audio recorded interview with investigator serino febuary 29th (part 3). One thing that stands out is he claims to have gone to get an address but he never gives it to the dipatcher . H says he was on retreatview circle standing at the place he claims to be going to get an address ...thats strange Serino pretty much knows zimms full of crap at this point.

Like serino kept asking zimm, what set this kid off ? what made him so mad that he attacked you and wanted to kill you?This kid with no prior history of violence ...what set him off.

Seriously - just stop it with this. Anyone who has ever committed a violent act did at one point in their life have 'no prior history of violence'.

Ive been in many many fights, been in some very violent situations , but i can honestly say ive never wanted to kill anyone. Its either in you or its not. Out of nowhere treyvon is a natural born killer eh? With cool catch phrases like ''you gotta problem now homie'' and you`re gonna die tonight ''

Guess we learned two things tonight - 1). BK's experience with fighting is the baseline that all other fights should be measured against

2). BK has some special insight into Martin's mindset (as well as what phrases Martin may or may not use).

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

The audio interviews are better

If i was to recommend any of the auido recordings to listen to i would say Audio recorded interview with investigator serino febuary 29th (part 3). One thing that stands out is he claims to have gone to get an address but he never gives it to the dipatcher . H says he was on retreatview circle standing at the place he claims to be going to get an address ...thats strange Serino pretty much knows zimms full of crap at this point.

Like serino kept asking zimm, what set this kid off ? what made him so mad that he attacked you and wanted to kill you?This kid with no prior history of violence ...what set him off.

Seriously - just stop it with this. Anyone who has ever committed a violent act did at one point in their life have 'no prior history of violence'.

Ive been in many many fights, been in some very violent situations , but i can honestly say ive never wanted to kill anyone. Its either in you or its not. Out of nowhere treyvon is a natural born killer eh? With cool catch phrases like ''you gotta problem now homie'' and you`re gonna die tonight ''

"you got a problem now homie" doesn't seem like it's outside of the relm of possibilities for an Urban teen.. The "you`re gonna die tonight" seems like an unreasonable statment to make if you're just trying to beat someone up for following you..I can see Trayvon punching, pummeling, head slamming, mouth covering.. I can't see Trayvon trying to shoot Zimmerman... That second statement doesn't sound right to me either..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

The audio interviews are better

If i was to recommend any of the auido recordings to listen to i would say Audio recorded interview with investigator serino febuary 29th (part 3). One thing that stands out is he claims to have gone to get an address but he never gives it to the dipatcher . H says he was on retreatview circle standing at the place he claims to be going to get an address ...thats strange Serino pretty much knows zimms full of crap at this point.

Like serino kept asking zimm, what set this kid off ? what made him so mad that he attacked you and wanted to kill you?This kid with no prior history of violence ...what set him off.

Seriously - just stop it with this. Anyone who has ever committed a violent act did at one point in their life have 'no prior history of violence'.

Ive been in many many fights, been in some very violent situations , but i can honestly say ive never wanted to kill anyone. Its either in you or its not. Out of nowhere treyvon is a natural born killer eh? With cool catch phrases like ''you gotta problem now homie'' and you`re gonna die tonight ''

Guess we learned two things tonight - 1). BK's experience with fighting is the baseline that all other fights should be measured against

2). BK has some special insight into Martin's mindset (as well as what phrases Martin may or may not use).

Is it possible for you to exchange any opinions based on reasonable ideals or do you just post little digs in place of thoughts? C.H and i are in different camps on this event but at least he offers some insight and logical give and take. He makes me stop and think about things i didnt think of and im sure i do the same .Try it sometime.

 

[Witz]

Again , i know im wasting my time ,but watch the interrogation`s for yourself.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/v-fullstory/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html#disqus_thread

The audio interviews are better

If i was to recommend any of the auido recordings to listen to i would say Audio recorded interview with investigator serino febuary 29th (part 3). One thing that stands out is he claims to have gone to get an address but he never gives it to the dipatcher . H says he was on retreatview circle standing at the place he claims to be going to get an address ...thats strange Serino pretty much knows zimms full of crap at this point.

Like serino kept asking zimm, what set this kid off ? what made him so mad that he attacked you and wanted to kill you?This kid with no prior history of violence ...what set him off.

Seriously - just stop it with this. Anyone who has ever committed a violent act did at one point in their life have 'no prior history of violence'.

Ive been in many many fights, been in some very violent situations , but i can honestly say ive never wanted to kill anyone. Its either in you or its not. Out of nowhere treyvon is a natural born killer eh? With cool catch phrases like ''you gotta problem now homie'' and you`re gonna die tonight ''

Guess we learned two things tonight - 1). BK's experience with fighting is the baseline that all other fights should be measured against

2). BK has some special insight into Martin's mindset (as well as what phrases Martin may or may not use).

Is it possible for you to exchange any opinions based on reasonable ideals or do you just post little digs in place of thoughts? C.H and i are in different camps on this event but at least he offers some insight and logical give and take. He makes me stop and think about things i didnt think of and im sure i do the same .Try it sometime.

Let's make a deal - if you promise to stop making posts where you state as fact your incorrect assumptions or better yet absolute falsehoods, I won't post responses calling you out on them. Sound good? Regarding the 'little digs' as you pointed out - take a quick look back in the history of this thread - you have clearly been responsible for more digs at me than I to you (there are some of those absolute falsehoods once again).



Nothing personal GB.

 

[Neofight]

Really? That's the way you understood her comment telling him to run fast and him saying he wasn't going to run but he would walk? I've read the conversation with the cop; it doesn't read like you say it does. She doesn't claim he said that.

You must have missed the recorded deposition with the prosecutor then I guess.. Listen to that.. She said he was going home..at 8:48 then again at 16:28

You must've missed what you wrote earlier.

You suggested, giving an anecdote as your proof, that he wouldn't be going home, in contrary to all who have suggested he most likely doubled back.. The timeline doesn't work. DeeDee says he was going home but didn't get there because he was to tired to run from Zimmerman. Lets just get through this tid bit real quick then you can move on to whatever else you're talking about..

This ain't what you were saying earlier, kiddo. And your timeline is precisely that; your timeline.

I'm just pointing to the way DeeDee contradicts your suggested reasoning.. Kiddo.. So are you wrong, or is she?The distance he traveled from where Zimmerman last saw him, and the amount of time he had based on Zimmerman's 911 call recording are both pretty hard to contest. I've never put together a timeline of my own, I haven't needed to. A slow athlete can run 40 yards(120 feet) in 6 seconds. Trayvon made it 7 yards (21 feet) in 90 seconds. It's pretty obvious that he either stopped and waited for George, or doubled back.. He had plenty of time to get home.

Oof, you go with the false dilemma to cover for moving the goalposts. I asked you to restore my faith brother, and you give me this crap.