Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[Tweaker]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

Who Cares if Martin was a thug. The point is he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and provoked by Zimmerman. So the point to the last few pages is that the Stand your Ground does not apply to Martin, even though he felt threatened by Martin? Or that does not matter!

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I'm a little late to this discussion, so I don't know if you were an eye witness to this or not. From the above post it sounds like you actually were there.

 

[GTBilly]

So have we figured out a way to make this Tim's fault yet?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

Who Cares if Martin was a thug. The point is he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and provoked by Zimmerman. So the point to the last few pages is that the Stand your Ground does not apply to Martin, even though he felt threatened by Martin? Or that does not matter!

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I'm a little late to this discussion, so I don't know if you were an eye witness to this or not. From the above post it sounds like you actually were there.

even the dude that shot treyvon said that treyvon wasnt doing anything wrong...other than looking suspicious because he wasnt running to get out of the rain.Treyvons GF also said he asnt doing anything wrong, just walking home and talking to her on his phone.

 

[jon_mx]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

Who Cares if Martin was a thug. The point is he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and provoked by Zimmerman. So the point to the last few pages is that the Stand your Ground does not apply to Martin, even though he felt threatened by Martin? Or that does not matter! Either way both were wrong, and to bad that Martin had to pay the price of his life for the actions started by Zimmerman.

agreed

BK is agreeing that Martin was also in the wrong. ....

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I always wanted to be post 15325

that is my lucky number!

(which sucks when I am playing craps)

I thought the page count seemed lower than I remember. Looks like about 900 posts have been removed from this thread.

Bye, bye, TexanFan02.oursouta40oz:

About time, my link

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

Who Cares if Martin was a thug. The point is he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and provoked by Zimmerman. So the point to the last few pages is that the Stand your Ground does not apply to Martin, even though he felt threatened by Martin? Or that does not matter! Either way both were wrong, and to bad that Martin had to pay the price of his life for the actions started by Zimmerman.

agreed

BK is agreeing that Martin was also in the wrong. ....

and it only took 1013 of his posts to get there

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[BustedKnuckles]

Judge in George Zimmerman's Florida trial will not step down

(Reuters) - A Florida judge on Wednesday rejected a motion asking him to step down from the murder trial of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, ruling the defense request was "legally insufficient."

"The court is not permitted to deny the allegations supporting the motion as untrue, reject them as unfounded, or comment upon them at all," Lester wrote in his order.

He went on to rule that despite the factual basis of the allegations they were not sufficient to require that he recuse himself. "The court finds the motion to be legally insufficient," Lester wrote.

In his July 5 order raising Zimmerman's bond, Lester rejected arguments by O'Mara that Zimmerman posed no risk to the community and his portrayal of the case against Zimmerman as weak.

"Under any definition, the defendant has flouted the system," Lester wrote at the time. He said Zimmerman's "stories changed with each retelling." Lester also said O'Mara attempted to portray Zimmerman as a confused young man who "experienced a moment of weakness" and may have acted out of a sense of betrayal by the justice system.

"This court finds the opposite. The defendant has tried to manipulate the system when he has been presented the opportunity to do so," Lester wrote.

Seems the judge has this idiot zimmerman all figured out....its about time someone in charge puts an end to zimmys streak of beating the system.

So basically the judge is saying the allegations that he is biased against Zimmerman are true. Not sure how he remains the judge that presides over this trial. at zimmys streak of beating the system

This thread really does not fail to generate comedy gold.

The judge in George Zimmerman's case can't disagree with George Zimmerman's lawyers' claim that he's not impartial, because then he'd be expressing an opinion and he really wouldn't be impartial. So when Judge Kenneth Lester denied Zimmerman's request that he step down, he had to accept all of Zimmerman's team's accusations as true, then still deny his request on the grounds that they were insufficient. "The court is not permitted to deny the allegations supporting the [defense's] motion as untrue, reject them as unfounded, or comment upon them at all. To do so establishes independent grounds for disqualification," Lester wrote. Instead, he has to assume they're true, but he still denied the request on the grounds that it was "legally insufficient."http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/george-zimmerman-will-have-make-due-judge-hes-got/55302/

 

[Witz]

Judge in George Zimmerman's Florida trial will not step down

(Reuters) - A Florida judge on Wednesday rejected a motion asking him to step down from the murder trial of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, ruling the defense request was "legally insufficient."

"The court is not permitted to deny the allegations supporting the motion as untrue, reject them as unfounded, or comment upon them at all," Lester wrote in his order.

He went on to rule that despite the factual basis of the allegations they were not sufficient to require that he recuse himself. "The court finds the motion to be legally insufficient," Lester wrote.

In his July 5 order raising Zimmerman's bond, Lester rejected arguments by O'Mara that Zimmerman posed no risk to the community and his portrayal of the case against Zimmerman as weak.

"Under any definition, the defendant has flouted the system," Lester wrote at the time. He said Zimmerman's "stories changed with each retelling." Lester also said O'Mara attempted to portray Zimmerman as a confused young man who "experienced a moment of weakness" and may have acted out of a sense of betrayal by the justice system.

"This court finds the opposite. The defendant has tried to manipulate the system when he has been presented the opportunity to do so," Lester wrote.

Seems the judge has this idiot zimmerman all figured out....its about time someone in charge puts an end to zimmys streak of beating the system.

So basically the judge is saying the allegations that he is biased against Zimmerman are true. Not sure how he remains the judge that presides over this trial. at zimmys streak of beating the system

This thread really does not fail to generate comedy gold.

The judge in George Zimmerman's case can't disagree with George Zimmerman's lawyers' claim that he's not impartial, because then he'd be expressing an opinion and he really wouldn't be impartial. So when Judge Kenneth Lester denied Zimmerman's request that he step down, he had to accept all of Zimmerman's team's accusations as true, then still deny his request on the grounds that they were insufficient. "The court is not permitted to deny the allegations supporting the [defense's] motion as untrue, reject them as unfounded, or comment upon them at all. To do so establishes independent grounds for disqualification," Lester wrote. Instead, he has to assume they're true, but he still denied the request on the grounds that it was "legally insufficient."http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/george-zimmerman-will-have-make-due-judge-hes-got/55302/

Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the clarification. Seems odd at face value but I see what is being said.

 

[SacramentoBob]

An entire week without a post????

 

[Charlie Frown]

Someone leaked a pic of Trayvon's dead body. I'm not interested enough anymore to link it.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Someone leaked a pic of Trayvon's dead body. I'm not interested enough anymore to link it.

This isnt the pic im sure. Im confused by Zimmermans story after seeing the position of the body and how far away from the walkway he is. If zimmys story is true he sure shimmied away from the walk quite some distance while treyvon sat on his chest and beat him.He said when he shot Trey that Trey fell straight backwards.http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/18/article-2146070-13269C26000005DC-448_634x522.jpg

 

[Charlie Frown]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

 

[Warrior]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

Who Cares if Martin was a thug. The point is he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and provoked by Zimmerman. So the point to the last few pages is that the Stand your Ground does not apply to Martin, even though he felt threatened by Martin? Or that does not matter!

.

I'm a little late to this discussion, so I don't know if you were an eye witness to this or not. From the above post it sounds like you actually were there.

even the dude that shot treyvon said that treyvon wasnt doing anything wrong...other than looking suspicious because he wasnt running to get out of the rain.Treyvons GF also said he asnt doing anything wrong, just walking home and talking to her on his phone.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

Who Cares if Martin was a thug. The point is he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and provoked by Zimmerman. So the point to the last few pages is that the Stand your Ground does not apply to Martin, even though he felt threatened by Martin? Or that does not matter!

.

I'm a little late to this discussion, so I don't know if you were an eye witness to this or not. From the above post it sounds like you actually were there.

even the dude that shot treyvon said that treyvon wasnt doing anything wrong...other than looking suspicious because he wasnt running to get out of the rain.Treyvons GF also said he asnt doing anything wrong, just walking home and talking to her on his phone.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

 

[jon_mx]

This thread keeps getting shorter. :worried:

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

This thread keeps getting shorter. :worried:

busted knuckles bait has gone stale, no more bites

 

[kutta]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

ya...the HUGE gashes that required no stitches. The SMASHED nose that not one person can prove was broken (no x-rays,no doctor confirmation)Yes im being factitious about the walk in the park.None the less that does not look like a guy who received the kind of beat down he described.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

ya...the HUGE gashes that required no stitches. The SMASHED nose that not one person can prove was broken (no x-rays,no doctor confirmation)Yes im being factitious about the walk in the park.None the less that does not look like a guy who received the kind of beat down he described.

They were just mosquito bites.. And the doctor who did, but really didn't report on the broken nose? You seem to forget Zimmerman's lawyer offering that information in court...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This past week we got a call at our office from the local police department wanting to know if such and such worked there. And I can hear in the background one of our warehouse workers(African American/Black) screaming he didn't do nothing. I told the officer he did work there and what was the problem. He said the guy had a DVD player and thought it might be stolen. I said it was a gift that was given to him, please let him go on his way.

That guy was stopped because he was riding a bicycle thru a predominant white neighborhood with a police force of mostly white officers, the racial profiling is real and it exists in many if not all places.

 

[Christo]

This past week we got a call at our office from the local police department wanting to know if such and such worked there. And I can hear in the background one of our warehouse workers(African American/Black) screaming he didn't do nothing. I told the officer he did work there and what was the problem. He said the guy had a DVD player and thought it might be stolen. I said it was a gift that was given to him, please let him go on his way. That guy was stopped because he was riding a bicycle thru a predominant white neighborhood with a police force of mostly white officers, the racial profiling is real and it exists in many if not all places.

How do you know it was because of his race? Are there a lot of white men riding bikes around that neighborhood carrying DVD players who aren't stopped?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

ya...the HUGE gashes that required no stitches. The SMASHED nose that not one person can prove was broken (no x-rays,no doctor confirmation)Yes im being factitious about the walk in the park.None the less that does not look like a guy who received the kind of beat down he described.

They were just mosquito bites.. And the doctor who did, but really didn't report on the broken nose? You seem to forget Zimmerman's lawyer offering that information in court...

Do those pictures taken after the incident pass your eye test? If so you have a very low standard of what a deadly beat down would look like. I could post a thousand pictures of people who had there faces beat in and and survived that make zimmermans injuries laughable.I know the law says he only needed to feel threatened but thats not his story,he describes a viscous beating and his injuries dont add up....in my opinion.

 

[SacramentoBob]

All the deleted posts are screwing me over when I click on show newest posts.

 

[kentric]

I'm pretty sure that he wasn't wearing that jacket during the scuffle. The police report indicated he had grass stains on his back. Personally, I'm not overly surprised he's not too dirty from the scuffle as that type of grass is very tight. Those who live in Florida and are familiar with that type of grass can tell you that it covers the ground well and provides quite a bit of cushion over Kentucky blue grass or grass in the North/Northeast.

 

[GeauxTigers]

This past week we got a call at our office from the local police department wanting to know if such and such worked there. And I can hear in the background one of our warehouse workers(African American/Black) screaming he didn't do nothing. I told the officer he did work there and what was the problem. He said the guy had a DVD player and thought it might be stolen. I said it was a gift that was given to him, please let him go on his way. That guy was stopped because he was riding a bicycle thru a predominant white neighborhood with a police force of mostly white officers, the racial profiling is real and it exists in many if not all places.

How do you know it was because of his race? Are there a lot of white men riding bikes around that neighborhood carrying DVD players who aren't stopped?

 

[ATC1]

I'm pretty sure that he wasn't wearing that jacket during the scuffle. The police report indicated he had grass stains on his back. Personally, I'm not overly surprised he's not too dirty from the scuffle as that type of grass is very tight. Those who live in Florida and are familiar with that type of grass can tell you that it covers the ground well and provides quite a bit of cushion over Kentucky blue grass or grass in the North/Northeast.

Huggie Bear?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm pretty sure that he wasn't wearing that jacket during the scuffle. The police report indicated he had grass stains on his back. Personally, I'm not overly surprised he's not too dirty from the scuffle as that type of grass is very tight. Those who live in Florida and are familiar with that type of grass can tell you that it covers the ground well and provides quite a bit of cushion over Kentucky blue grass or grass in the North/Northeast.

Huggie Bear?

actually he was according to multiple witnesses

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

ya...the HUGE gashes that required no stitches. The SMASHED nose that not one person can prove was broken (no x-rays,no doctor confirmation)Yes im being factitious about the walk in the park.None the less that does not look like a guy who received the kind of beat down he described.

They were just mosquito bites.. And the doctor who did, but really didn't report on the broken nose? You seem to forget Zimmerman's lawyer offering that information in court...

Do those pictures taken after the incident pass your eye test? If so you have a very low standard of what a deadly beat down would look like. I could post a thousand pictures of people who had there faces beat in and and survived that make zimmermans injuries laughable.I know the law says he only needed to feel threatened but thats not his story,he describes a viscous beating and his injuries dont add up....in my opinion.

It's fairly obvious from the numerous injuries that he was beaten. And it's fairly obvious this wasn't your garden variety scuffle. He has injuries to the back of his head and his face. The injuries on the back of his head give credence to the head against the concrete story. And if any of us were getting our heads bounced off the concrete, we'd certainly be in fear of severe bodily harm, which is the criteria here... Ad a struggle for the gun, and this is a no brainer..Of course he wasn't beat 'almost to death'.. Maybe the injuries would have been more severe if he hadn't had a gun..

You could say the same thing about the gun struggle.. "you don't look like you were almost shot to death" of course, because if he was shot, killed, incapacitated, he wouldn't be right here, right now... Everyone would be outraged that a Neighborhood watch captain was killed, or almost killed..

Your "eye test" isn't the criteria..

 

[mad sweeney]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

ya...the HUGE gashes that required no stitches. The SMASHED nose that not one person can prove was broken (no x-rays,no doctor confirmation)Yes im being factitious about the walk in the park.None the less that does not look like a guy who received the kind of beat down he described.

They were just mosquito bites.. And the doctor who did, but really didn't report on the broken nose? You seem to forget Zimmerman's lawyer offering that information in court...

Do those pictures taken after the incident pass your eye test? If so you have a very low standard of what a deadly beat down would look like. I could post a thousand pictures of people who had there faces beat in and and survived that make zimmermans injuries laughable.I know the law says he only needed to feel threatened but thats not his story,he describes a viscous beating and his injuries dont add up....in my opinion.

It's fairly obvious from the numerous injuries that he was beaten. And it's fairly obvious this wasn't your garden variety scuffle. He has injuries to the back of his head and his face. The injuries on the back of his head give credence to the head against the concrete story. And if any of us were getting our heads bounced off the concrete, we'd certainly be in fear of severe bodily harm, which is the criteria here... Ad a struggle for the gun, and this is a no brainer..Of course he wasn't beat 'almost to death'.. Maybe the injuries would have been more severe if he hadn't had a gun..

You could say the same thing about the gun struggle.. "you don't look like you were almost shot to death" of course, because if he was shot, killed, incapacitated, he wouldn't be right here, right now... Everyone would be outraged that a Neighborhood watch captain was killed, or almost killed..

Your "eye test" isn't the criteria..

You're right, it wasn't a "garden variety scuffle" because somehow all that damage was unleashed on poor Georgie without Martin having any wounds on his hands to show for it. And what is a garden variety scuffle anyways? I would think a garden variety scuffle would involve maybe getting punched in the face a time or two. Hell, Chad Johnson's wife had a bigger wound from one single headbutt, but she didn't have to kill the infinitely stronger Johnson over it. So I guess that must fall under your criteria for excessive assault with a super-extra deadly non garden variety weapon causing super-duper grievous bodily harm and extra-extra special circumstances.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The clueless is strong in this one.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The clueless is strong in this one.

yes you are correct Luke...but the pro martins have grown accustomed to the pro zimmermans cluelessnes in this thread.

 

[Witz]

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Charlie Frown]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

ya...the HUGE gashes that required no stitches. The SMASHED nose that not one person can prove was broken (no x-rays,no doctor confirmation)Yes im being factitious about the walk in the park.None the less that does not look like a guy who received the kind of beat down he described.

They were just mosquito bites.. And the doctor who did, but really didn't report on the broken nose? You seem to forget Zimmerman's lawyer offering that information in court...

Do those pictures taken after the incident pass your eye test? If so you have a very low standard of what a deadly beat down would look like. I could post a thousand pictures of people who had there faces beat in and and survived that make zimmermans injuries laughable.I know the law says he only needed to feel threatened but thats not his story,he describes a viscous beating and his injuries dont add up....in my opinion.

It's fairly obvious from the numerous injuries that he was beaten. And it's fairly obvious this wasn't your garden variety scuffle. He has injuries to the back of his head and his face. The injuries on the back of his head give credence to the head against the concrete story. And if any of us were getting our heads bounced off the concrete, we'd certainly be in fear of severe bodily harm, which is the criteria here... Ad a struggle for the gun, and this is a no brainer..Of course he wasn't beat 'almost to death'.. Maybe the injuries would have been more severe if he hadn't had a gun..

You could say the same thing about the gun struggle.. "you don't look like you were almost shot to death" of course, because if he was shot, killed, incapacitated, he wouldn't be right here, right now... Everyone would be outraged that a Neighborhood watch captain was killed, or almost killed..

Your "eye test" isn't the criteria..

You're right, it wasn't a "garden variety scuffle" because somehow all that damage was unleashed on poor Georgie without Martin having any wounds on his hands to show for it. And what is a garden variety scuffle anyways? I would think a garden variety scuffle would involve maybe getting punched in the face a time or two. Hell, Chad Johnson's wife had a bigger wound from one single headbutt, but she didn't have to kill the infinitely stronger Johnson over it. So I guess that must fall under your criteria for excessive assault with a super-extra deadly non garden variety weapon causing super-duper grievous bodily harm and extra-extra special circumstances.

I keep hearing this argument. Are you saying that Zimmerman faked these injuries?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

link

I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

ya...the HUGE gashes that required no stitches. The SMASHED nose that not one person can prove was broken (no x-rays,no doctor confirmation)Yes im being factitious about the walk in the park.None the less that does not look like a guy who received the kind of beat down he described.

They were just mosquito bites.. And the doctor who did, but really didn't report on the broken nose? You seem to forget Zimmerman's lawyer offering that information in court...

Do those pictures taken after the incident pass your eye test? If so you have a very low standard of what a deadly beat down would look like. I could post a thousand pictures of people who had there faces beat in and and survived that make zimmermans injuries laughable.I know the law says he only needed to feel threatened but thats not his story,he describes a viscous beating and his injuries dont add up....in my opinion.

It's fairly obvious from the numerous injuries that he was beaten. And it's fairly obvious this wasn't your garden variety scuffle. He has injuries to the back of his head and his face. The injuries on the back of his head give credence to the head against the concrete story. And if any of us were getting our heads bounced off the concrete, we'd certainly be in fear of severe bodily harm, which is the criteria here... Ad a struggle for the gun, and this is a no brainer..Of course he wasn't beat 'almost to death'.. Maybe the injuries would have been more severe if he hadn't had a gun..

You could say the same thing about the gun struggle.. "you don't look like you were almost shot to death" of course, because if he was shot, killed, incapacitated, he wouldn't be right here, right now... Everyone would be outraged that a Neighborhood watch captain was killed, or almost killed..

Your "eye test" isn't the criteria..

You're right, it wasn't a "garden variety scuffle" because somehow all that damage was unleashed on poor Georgie without Martin having any wounds on his hands to show for it. And what is a garden variety scuffle anyways? I would think a garden variety scuffle would involve maybe getting punched in the face a time or two. Hell, Chad Johnson's wife had a bigger wound from one single headbutt, but she didn't have to kill the infinitely stronger Johnson over it. So I guess that must fall under your criteria for excessive assault with a super-extra deadly non garden variety weapon causing super-duper grievous bodily harm and extra-extra special circumstances.

I keep hearing this argument. Are you saying that Zimmerman faked these injuries?

Nobody is saying he faked anything,although who knows for sure, ive heard theories that he may have hit himself with his gun to make his story more believable(i personally dont think that).Point is he told the cops he was punched in the face over and over and had his head bashed into the cement over and over.Those injuries dont look like someone who was beaten like he describes. Anyone who`s ever been in a real fight , not grade school kid stuff, knows that the injuries would be significant to both zimmermans face and treyvons hands.I would expect swelling on zimms face and treys hands . I would expect defensive wounds on zimmermans hands and arms, there were none.They found no blood on treyvons hands even though he supposably was covering zimmermans mouth with one hand and punching him with the other.All treyvon had was one tiny abrasion on his finger. It just doesnt add up. People can believe a proven liar all they want, im not buying it.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

...You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.

Lets assume for sake of argument that you are 100% correct here. Wouldn't that seem to make Zimmerman's actions legal in Florida? (Not right or just or moral or whatever judgment we may want to find, but within the Florida law?)

 

[BustedKnuckles]

...You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.

Lets assume for sake of argument that you are 100% correct here. Wouldn't that seem to make Zimmerman's actions legal in Florida? (Not right or just or moral or whatever judgment we may want to find, but within the Florida law?)

i think i read that he wont be using the SYG law as a defense because it doesnt apply in this case. I also think that if still alive, treyvon would have been able to claim it was he who was standing HIS dround against zimmy seeing it was zimmy who pursued trey.

 

[Christo]

...You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.

Lets assume for sake of argument that you are 100% correct here. Wouldn't that seem to make Zimmerman's actions legal in Florida? (Not right or just or moral or whatever judgment we may want to find, but within the Florida law?)

i think i read that he wont be using the SYG law as a defense because it doesnt apply in this case. I also think that if still alive, treyvon would have been able to claim it was he who was standing HIS dround against zimmy seeing it was zimmy who pursued trey.

SYG is just a subsection of FL's self-defense law. Of course he won't be using the SYG subsection because at the time he shot Martin he didn't have a choice to retreat--he was underneath Martin. But he will certainly be relying on the section of the law governing the justifiable use of force.

 

[Charlie Frown]

...You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.

Lets assume for sake of argument that you are 100% correct here. Wouldn't that seem to make Zimmerman's actions legal in Florida? (Not right or just or moral or whatever judgment we may want to find, but within the Florida law?)

i think i read that he wont be using the SYG law as a defense because it doesnt apply in this case. I also think that if still alive, treyvon would have been able to claim it was he who was standing HIS dround against zimmy seeing it was zimmy who pursued trey.

SYG is just a subsection of FL's self-defense law. Of course he won't be using the SYG subsection because at the time he shot Martin he didn't have a choice to retreat--he was underneath Martin. But he will certainly be relying on the section of the law governing the justifiable use of force.

I concur Counselor.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

...You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.

Lets assume for sake of argument that you are 100% correct here. Wouldn't that seem to make Zimmerman's actions legal in Florida? (Not right or just or moral or whatever judgment we may want to find, but within the Florida law?)

i think i read that he wont be using the SYG law as a defense because it doesnt apply in this case. I also think that if still alive, treyvon would have been able to claim it was he who was standing HIS dround against zimmy seeing it was zimmy who pursued trey.

SYG is just a subsection of FL's self-defense law. Of course he won't be using the SYG subsection because at the time he shot Martin he didn't have a choice to retreat--he was underneath Martin. But he will certainly be relying on the section of the law governing the justifiable use of force.

I concur Counselor.

dont roll your eyes at me young man !!!!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here is a nice link of evidence pics.

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I don't know what it means - or even that it means anything, but Zimmerman's clothes (and hands) seems way too clean for the scuffle in the rain.

it looks like he just got done walking thru a park enjoying the sights...not fighting for his life on the ground in the rain on grass and dirt and tar

I agree. Especially with his bloody head, because the back of my head usually starts spontaneously bleeding when I'm walking through the park enjoying the sights.

ya...the HUGE gashes that required no stitches. The SMASHED nose that not one person can prove was broken (no x-rays,no doctor confirmation)Yes im being factitious about the walk in the park.None the less that does not look like a guy who received the kind of beat down he described.

They were just mosquito bites.. And the doctor who did, but really didn't report on the broken nose? You seem to forget Zimmerman's lawyer offering that information in court...

Do those pictures taken after the incident pass your eye test? If so you have a very low standard of what a deadly beat down would look like. I could post a thousand pictures of people who had there faces beat in and and survived that make zimmermans injuries laughable.I know the law says he only needed to feel threatened but thats not his story,he describes a viscous beating and his injuries dont add up....in my opinion.

It's fairly obvious from the numerous injuries that he was beaten. And it's fairly obvious this wasn't your garden variety scuffle. He has injuries to the back of his head and his face. The injuries on the back of his head give credence to the head against the concrete story. And if any of us were getting our heads bounced off the concrete, we'd certainly be in fear of severe bodily harm, which is the criteria here... Ad a struggle for the gun, and this is a no brainer..Of course he wasn't beat 'almost to death'.. Maybe the injuries would have been more severe if he hadn't had a gun..

You could say the same thing about the gun struggle.. "you don't look like you were almost shot to death" of course, because if he was shot, killed, incapacitated, he wouldn't be right here, right now... Everyone would be outraged that a Neighborhood watch captain was killed, or almost killed..

Your "eye test" isn't the criteria..

You're right, it wasn't a "garden variety scuffle" because somehow all that damage was unleashed on poor Georgie without Martin having any wounds on his hands to show for it. And what is a garden variety scuffle anyways? I would think a garden variety scuffle would involve maybe getting punched in the face a time or two. Hell, Chad Johnson's wife had a bigger wound from one single headbutt, but she didn't have to kill the infinitely stronger Johnson over it. So I guess that must fall under your criteria for excessive assault with a super-extra deadly non garden variety weapon causing super-duper grievous bodily harm and extra-extra special circumstances.

What are you insinuating? Zimmerman did it to himself? lol

And guess what, there was at least 1 cut on Trayvon's hand if I remember correctly from the coroners report.. It was the Martin family funeral director who the Martin family lawyer said couldn't find any sign of a fight on his hands..

Who am I gonna believe? The coroner? or the Martin family lawyers version of the Martin family funeral director? Hemmmm... Tough one here..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

He had a cut on his nose, and the doctor said he had a broken nose.. At this point, you saying you know better than the examining doctor?Where did the gashes come from on the back of his head?

The picture of Zimmerman's face straight on, in the police car showed a swollen nose as well..

Where did these injuries come from? If not from Trayvon? The ones specifically on the back of his head.?

 

[mad sweeney]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

He had a cut on his nose, and the doctor said he had a broken nose.. At this point, you saying you know better than the examining doctor?Where did the gashes come from on the back of his head?

The picture of Zimmerman's face straight on, in the police car showed a swollen nose as well..

Where did these injuries come from? If not from Trayvon? The ones specifically on the back of his head.?

All those vicious blows just happened to not mark up Martin's hands.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

He had a cut on his nose, and the doctor said he had a broken nose.. At this point, you saying you know better than the examining doctor?Where did the gashes come from on the back of his head?

The picture of Zimmerman's face straight on, in the police car showed a swollen nose as well..

Where did these injuries come from? If not from Trayvon? The ones specifically on the back of his head.?

All those vicious blows just happened to not mark up Martin's hands.

oh MS...you`re forgetting the ''abrasion'' on treys finger...lol...it wasnt even classified as a cut, thats how minor it was. The nose was NEVER proven to be broken by anyone in the medical field, all just conjecture. The tiny little cuts on his head didnt even need 1 stitch. You seem to be missing the point CH, nobody is saying there wasnt some kind of altercation, we are saying that it wasnt the magnitude that zimmerman is claiming based on the lack of injuries.

 

[jon_mx]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

Dude ...take a valium

 

[jon_mx]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

Dude ...take a valium

Ironic coming from a guy who claims to have been in dozens of fist fights as an 'adult'.