Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[avoiding injuries]

You know you probably didn't speak well during your testimony when some of the last questions are whether English is your 3rd language and do you admit to understanding the English language.

 

[jon_mx]

The prosecution's claim the Zimmerman racially profiled Martin and thus was motivated to kill him seems to be more than countered by the racial profiling Martin did on Zimmerman. They both approached this with a chip on their shoulders.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

whatever happened to playing the recording, was that swept under the proverbially rug by the judge too?

You need to stop suggesting the judge may dismiss this case without hearing the defense. No way that happens.

What reason did she give for not playing the tape with the jury present?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

whatever happened to playing the recording, was that swept under the proverbially rug by the judge too?

You need to stop suggesting the judge may dismiss this case without hearing the defense. No way that happens.

What kind of odds are you giving?

 

[Chaos Commish]

whatever happened to playing the recording, was that swept under the proverbially rug by the judge too?

You need to stop suggesting the judge may dismiss this case without hearing the defense. No way that happens.

What reason did she give for not playing the tape with the jury present?

She didn't really have one. She tried twice and was corrected both times and just shrugged. No judge has the guts to be the sole decider on this one.

 

[Gawain]

This is so anti-climactic with Didi off the stand.

 

[kentric]

Current witness has stated that she heard running.

 

[pittstownkiller]

CNN is making my head explode. Commentators are saying Rachel is credible and likeable. The disconnect between her and West was a generational thing. West didn't understand that teenagers speak slow and soft.

Followed by another commentator who was in the courtroom and said that some jurors would not even look at Rachel.

CNN = Tim

Thanks for the compliment. It's undeserved but I appreciate anyhow. For the record, while I do find her credible I don't find her like able.

Funny, I found her likable but not credible. There is no way that you, Tim, impartially can convict GZ of murder 2 based on her testimony.

 

[FootballDummy]

Zimmerman looks like a blimp. He's probably taken 20 years off his life even if he isn't convicted.

 

[drfeelgood]

Zimmerman looks like a blimp. He's probably taken 20 years off his life even if he isn't convicted.

He looks like he has been eating like a king since he got his hands on that money donated by fans.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman looks like a blimp. He's probably taken 20 years off his life even if he isn't convicted.

He looks like he has been eating like a king since he got his hands on that money donated by fans.

You don't need to be rich to get fat

 

[kentric]

Current witness has stated that she heard running.

She is now saying the argument started near the T and worked its way to the back of her townhouse. That is not a great distance and works against any chase argument. Or, it was the shortest chase in history. Works against the prosecution.

 

[jon_mx]

Jenna

 

[Joe McGee]

Zimmerman looks like a blimp. He's probably taken 20 years off his life even if he isn't convicted.

More time will come off with the civil trial.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

State's most damaging witness up there

 

[jon_mx]

I am not sure how a prolonged series of yells for help, bold well for the prosecution. She identifies it as one voice the whole time. If Zimmerman planned on killing Martin, he would just pull out the gun and fire. Martin would only get off a view yells for help before he is shot dead. I am having a hard time figuring out why anyone believes this could have been Martin screaming for so long. It almost had to be Zimmerman on the ground getting his ### kicked. The yelps to helps even verifies the story of his mouth being covered. Seems like a slam dunk witness who helps the defense.

 

[Worm]

State's most damaging witness up there

I am not sure how a prolonged series of yells for help, bold well for the prosecution. She identifies it as one voice the whole time. If Zimmerman planned on killing Martin, he would just pull out the gun and fire. Martin would only get off a view yells for help before he is shot dead. I am having a hard time figuring out why anyone believes this could have been Martin screaming for so long. It almost had to be Zimmerman on the ground getting his ### kicked. The yelps to helps even verifies the story of his mouth being covered. Seems like a slam dunk witness who helps the defense.

Heh.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Did this woman ever speak with Zimmerman before being that they were neighbors and he was the neighborhood watch guy?

 

[kentric]

State's most damaging witness up there

You being facetious or are you referring to the fact that her testimony seems most believable?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I hate how they silence whole sentences because they are worried the N-word is coming.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So are they going to ask her whether the voice screaming for help was the same voice who said "I have a gun, take my gun"?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

yeah, this judge is not biased in the slightest, she lets BDLR bring up Zimmerman's past totally unrelated to any questions that were asked. MOM asked if she ever saw Zimmerman angry or hotheaded.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

State's most damaging witness up there

You being facetious or are you referring to the fact that her testimony seems most believable?

Most damaging to the State, their own witness.

 

[kentric]

State's most damaging witness up there

You being facetious or are you referring to the fact that her testimony seems most believable?

Most damaging to the State, their own witness.

gotcha

 

[Joe McGee]

The prosecutor is interviewing the witness and doesn't know how to use twitter. Awkward.

 

[Christo]

How long was Jeantel on the stand this morning?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Jenna

 

[Gawain]

How long was Jeantel on the stand this morning?

Think she was excused at 2:15pm, but defense reserved the right to recall her.

There was a whole big thing about her leaving and whether or not she could get a bus ticket. Preferably one written in non-cursive Creole I imagine.

 

[Christo]

How long was Jeantel on the stand this morning?

Think she was excused at 2:15pm, but defense reserved the right to recall her.

And she was thinking she'd get to go home last night.

 

[pittstownkiller]

How long was Jeantel on the stand this morning?

Painfully long.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

 

[The Commish]

whatever happened to playing the recording, was that swept under the proverbially rug by the judge too?

You need to stop suggesting the judge may dismiss this case without hearing the defense. No way that happens.

What reason did she give for not playing the tape with the jury present?

She didn't really have one. She tried twice and was corrected both times and just shrugged. No judge has the guts to be the sole decider on this one.

She said that if the girl's testimony today didn't match the testimony on tape, they could introduce the tape as evidence that she did say what the defense was suggesting. I didn't see a problem with it personally

 

[jon_mx]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

Explain in what universe, Martin who is inflicting most of the physical damage, is the one screaming for a prolonged period. I really don't get this part.

 

[The Commish]

State's most damaging witness up there

I am not sure how a prolonged series of yells for help, bold well for the prosecution. She identifies it as one voice the whole time. If Zimmerman planned on killing Martin, he would just pull out the gun and fire. Martin would only get off a view yells for help before he is shot dead. I am having a hard time figuring out why anyone believes this could have been Martin screaming for so long. It almost had to be Zimmerman on the ground getting his ### kicked. The yelps to helps even verifies the story of his mouth being covered. Seems like a slam dunk witness who helps the defense.

Heh.

There appears to be a mix up in the talking points memo that was sent out today.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

On "grass and concrete"

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

Explain in what universe, Martin who is inflicting most of the physical damage, is the one screaming for a prolonged period. I really don't get this part.

You heard how long "prolonged" was on the 911 tape. It's not that long.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

Explain in what universe, Martin who is inflicting most of the physical damage, is the one screaming for a prolonged period. I really don't get this part.

 

[jon_mx]

State's most damaging witness up there

I am not sure how a prolonged series of yells for help, bold well for the prosecution. She identifies it as one voice the whole time. If Zimmerman planned on killing Martin, he would just pull out the gun and fire. Martin would only get off a view yells for help before he is shot dead. I am having a hard time figuring out why anyone believes this could have been Martin screaming for so long. It almost had to be Zimmerman on the ground getting his ### kicked. The yelps to helps even verifies the story of his mouth being covered. Seems like a slam dunk witness who helps the defense.

Heh.

There appears to be a mix up in the talking points memo that was sent out today.

She destroys the timeline of any possible way it could have been Martin scream. She says there person screaming was desparate (I would have asked as if they were scared for their life)

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

Explain in what universe, Martin who is inflicting most of the physical damage, is the one screaming for a prolonged period. I really don't get this part.

You heard how long "prolonged" was on the 911 tape. It's not that long.

You don't think 40 seconds on the call +5-30 seconds prior is not prolonged?

Your bias is showing

 

[jon_mx]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

Explain in what universe, Martin who is inflicting most of the physical damage, is the one screaming for a prolonged period. I really don't get this part.

You heard how long "prolonged" was on the 911 tape. It's not that long.

add to it the screams before she called, and it is a hell of a lot longer than you would expect if someone pulled out a gun and fired it. Plus the muffled yelps make no sense in the Martin screaming universe. There is no case.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

Explain in what universe, Martin who is inflicting most of the physical damage, is the one screaming for a prolonged period. I really don't get this part.

You heard how long "prolonged" was on the 911 tape. It's not that long.

She said it was longer than what you hear on 911..

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

State's most damaging witness up there

I am not sure how a prolonged series of yells for help, bold well for the prosecution. She identifies it as one voice the whole time. If Zimmerman planned on killing Martin, he would just pull out the gun and fire. Martin would only get off a view yells for help before he is shot dead. I am having a hard time figuring out why anyone believes this could have been Martin screaming for so long. It almost had to be Zimmerman on the ground getting his ### kicked. The yelps to helps even verifies the story of his mouth being covered. Seems like a slam dunk witness who helps the defense.

Heh.

There appears to be a mix up in the talking points memo that was sent out today.

She destroys the timeline of any possible way it could have been Martin scream. She says there person screaming was desparate (I would have asked as if they were scared for their life)

She was asked if it sounded like someone that feared for their life and she responded yes.

 

[Chaos Commish]

whatever happened to playing the recording, was that swept under the proverbially rug by the judge too?

You need to stop suggesting the judge may dismiss this case without hearing the defense. No way that happens.

What reason did she give for not playing the tape with the jury present?

She didn't really have one. She tried twice and was corrected both times and just shrugged. No judge has the guts to be the sole decider on this one.

She said that if the girl's testimony today didn't match the testimony on tape, they could introduce the tape as evidence that she did say what the defense was suggesting. I didn't see a problem with it personally

You don't see a problem with what? Not allowing the tape or allowing it? It seems like an important tidbit for the jury to hear, imo. Tone of voice is interesting, to me suggesting it was indeed rehearsed. The jury should be able to HEAR that, imo.

They played it without the jury and the judge denied playing it for the jury because Rachel didn't deny saying, "You want that too?" West pointed out that she did deny it. The judge agreed she was wrong, but then stated it didn't matter because Rachel didn't get to see a transcript. To which West, a little flustered, pointed out she'd seen two transcripts. The judge shrugged and said no tape for the jury. I admit court procedure confuses me... maybe I misunderstood something.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

State's most damaging witness up there

I am not sure how a prolonged series of yells for help, bold well for the prosecution. She identifies it as one voice the whole time. If Zimmerman planned on killing Martin, he would just pull out the gun and fire. Martin would only get off a view yells for help before he is shot dead. I am having a hard time figuring out why anyone believes this could have been Martin screaming for so long. It almost had to be Zimmerman on the ground getting his ### kicked. The yelps to helps even verifies the story of his mouth being covered. Seems like a slam dunk witness who helps the defense.

Heh.

There appears to be a mix up in the talking points memo that was sent out today.

wut?

 

[jon_mx]

BTW...all the lynch Zimmerman crowd was promising all kinds of new evidence would come out in the trial. So far it has been all stuff that has been out there. Nothing damaging at all.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

Explain in what universe, Martin who is inflicting most of the physical damage, is the one screaming for a prolonged period. I really don't get this part.

You heard how long "prolonged" was on the 911 tape. It's not that long.

She said it was longer than what you hear on 911..

The "yelps" not the "helps" is how I understood it. What I think matters though is Rachel and this woman's testimony lining up at least at the beginning where you have a confrontation (one understands what's said and the other doesn't) and both hear the same scuffle start, but Rachel hears an impact on the cell headset mic and Trayvon saying "get off" which implies Zimm started the physical confrontation.

 

[avoiding injuries]

State's most damaging witness up there

I am not sure how a prolonged series of yells for help, bold well for the prosecution. She identifies it as one voice the whole time. If Zimmerman planned on killing Martin, he would just pull out the gun and fire. Martin would only get off a view yells for help before he is shot dead. I am having a hard time figuring out why anyone believes this could have been Martin screaming for so long. It almost had to be Zimmerman on the ground getting his ### kicked. The yelps to helps even verifies the story of his mouth being covered. Seems like a slam dunk witness who helps the defense.

Heh.

There appears to be a mix up in the talking points memo that was sent out today.

wut?

He must have quoted that before reading further and seeing your explanation. Still no dog in the fight...lol

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So this witness is corroborating what Rachel said; heard voice 1, voice 2, voice 1 (but didn't hear what was said -- Rachel heard the exchange) and then scuffling on wet grass.

Explain in what universe, Martin who is inflicting most of the physical damage, is the one screaming for a prolonged period. I really don't get this part.

You heard how long "prolonged" was on the 911 tape. It's not that long.

She said it was longer than what you hear on 911..

The "yelps" not the "helps" is how I understood it. What I think matters though is Rachel and this woman's testimony lining up at least at the beginning where you have a confrontation (one understands what's said and the other doesn't) and both hear the same scuffle start, but Rachel hears an impact on the cell headset mic and Trayvon saying "get off" which implies Zimm started the physical confrontation.

She "could have" heard "a little" get off get off... Until today obviously when her testimony changed..

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

whatever happened to playing the recording, was that swept under the proverbially rug by the judge too?

You need to stop suggesting the judge may dismiss this case without hearing the defense. No way that happens.

What reason did she give for not playing the tape with the jury present?

She didn't really have one. She tried twice and was corrected both times and just shrugged. No judge has the guts to be the sole decider on this one.

She said that if the girl's testimony today didn't match the testimony on tape, they could introduce the tape as evidence that she did say what the defense was suggesting. I didn't see a problem with it personally

But judge refused to let jurors hear the tape.

 

[jon_mx]

Jenna was even a great character witness for Zimmerman and does not fit the zealot that the prosecution is trying to paint. This case is going up in smoke