Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
So is the general consensus here that Zimmerman is going to be found guilty or not? I want to know if I need to take my little brother in at my house for a few days if he's found not guilty and the riots start.
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Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)
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ArbyMelt
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This guy has to be getting record traffic right now. Surprised the servers can handle the traffic. Good business for him.
The Commish
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Your comment (if I remember correctly) was something like "Oh, head (part) of the neighborhood watch?? No problem with the number of times he called" On it's face, that comments suggests you think there's an acceptable amount of times one can make that call and part of that amount has something to do with him being part of the neighborhood watch. That's what I was asking about. For instance....IMO, calling the police/dispatch 6-7 times a year is getting into "boy who cried wolf" territory and has nothing to do with him being part of the watch.
Simply to say that I think those who think Zimmerman's police-call frequency is somehow unacceptable are wrong
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
That's what it looked like, she was asking him rapid fire alternating YES / NO questions
timschochet
Footballguy
So sick and tired of this. How do we know that, if he's convicted, some crazy NRA gun nuts or white supremacist types won't go tearing #### up?
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Thursday afternoon at the earliest, I'd say it's very strong to suggest Zimmerman will be found not-guilty for M2 and strong to suggest that he will be found not-guilty of Manslaughter. So plan accordingly, it could go until Friday or even into next week, but at the earliest it will be done tomorrow.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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timschochet
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
You watch this manure, post about a 1000 times on it and totally miss the trial of the decade which aired 6+ hours a day for 5 months.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Eh I didn't watch it either, it didn't interest meYou watch this manure, post about a 1000 times on it and totally miss the trial of the decade which aired 6+ hours a day for 5 months.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
So do you disagree with him which is likely? I'll take some odds if you're serious.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I'm not a court trial fan to be honest. Didn't watch any of Casey Anthony, or Scott Peterson. Didn't care. I watched a good bit of this trial because there are social and cultural issues involved.You watch this manure, post about a 1000 times on it and totally miss the trial of the decade which aired 6+ hours a day for 5 months.
Charlie Frown
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
No thanks. I've predicted all along that there won't be widespread violence (perhaps a few ugly incidents here and there, but nothing like Rodney King.) But it's not something I want to bet on.
I think predicting widespread violence is racist, frankly. And no, I don't care whether conservatives or liberals are the ones predicting it.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
I'm curious to see if the state of Florida does anything to extend the ending of this trial until Monday.
Is there any benefit to riot containment/prevention if the trial ends on a Monday instead of a Friday leading into a weekend?
I still don't think there will be any significant riots, but I don't doubt we will hear about isolated incidents in pockets like we heard earlier this week (might have been this morning it was posted) when a man was attacked and they said "Justice for Trayvon".
Is there any benefit to riot containment/prevention if the trial ends on a Monday instead of a Friday leading into a weekend?
I still don't think there will be any significant riots, but I don't doubt we will hear about isolated incidents in pockets like we heard earlier this week (might have been this morning it was posted) when a man was attacked and they said "Justice for Trayvon".
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Really? I mean, I get it that this case has captivated............. people. But why? Because people that have an agenda want to use it for their agenda. There are no great issues involved here. Two people that weren't ostensibly doing anything wrong were in the wrong place at the wrong time, there was an incorrect assumption or assumptions most likely which lead to an altercation and someone getting shot.I'm not a court trial fan to be honest. Didn't watch any of Casey Anthony, or Scott Peterson. Didn't care. I watched a good bit of this trial because there are social and cultural issues involved.You watch this manure, post about a 1000 times on it and totally miss the trial of the decade which aired 6+ hours a day for 5 months.
ATC1
Footballguy
If one of the 47 times he called leads to an arrest made, is it worth it?Your comment (if I remember correctly) was something like "Oh, head (part) of the neighborhood watch?? No problem with the number of times he called" On it's face, that comments suggests you think there's an acceptable amount of times one can make that call and part of that amount has something to do with him being part of the neighborhood watch. That's what I was asking about. For instance....IMO, calling the police/dispatch 6-7 times a year is getting into "boy who cried wolf" territory and has nothing to do with him being part of the watch.
Simply to say that I think those who think Zimmerman's police-call frequency is somehow unacceptable are wrong
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
You can be sick of it all you want, but I'm not making a political statement here, I'm asking a legitimate question. My brother lives right in the middle of downtown Orlando, bordering on heavily African-American populated areas and if riots do spring up, his building is going to be at ground zero. Sheriff's departments all over central and southern Florida are already sending out tweets and linking to websites urging people to remain calm if/when protesting the verdict.
You can be as PC as you like, but I remember Rodney King all too well. No one started burning the city to the ground when OJ got off, as furious as most people were. Casey Anthony got off and that ENRAGED the entire city of Orlando.... no riots. The fact is, things are most likely to pop off when there's a perceived racial injustice. I doubt any NRA members are going to go ape because they think Zimmerman was jailed just because he was "white."
lod01
Footballguy
3 hole wonder, Jodi Arias: '......you know how to work the booty' vs Zimmerman trial's: 'knock knock, whos' there.I'm not a court trial fan to be honest. Didn't watch any of Casey Anthony, or Scott Peterson. Didn't care. I watched a good bit of this trial because there are social and cultural issues involved.You watch this manure, post about a 1000 times on it and totally miss the trial of the decade which aired 6+ hours a day for 5 months.
You chose poorly.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'm not predicting widespread violence, my brother lives in Orlando, where this is on CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC all day every day. If it's going to happen anywhere, it's going to happen here or in south Florida, where Martin was from.
17seconds
root of all aliai
I'd give it a 5% chance of being convicted of murder 2
and a 25% chance of being convicted of manslaughter
it's only that high because I'm thinking back to the wacky juries of the past. anything is possible
and since I'm throwing out percentages... Personally I'm about 60% certain he actually committed manslaughter after following this whole thing. If I were on the jury I'd say not guilty on everything because of reasonable doubt and the inability of the prosecution to prove anything happened other than GZ's account.
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17seconds
root of all aliai
I think those questions were pretty standard, but what she pulled before arguing with West was pretty ####### weird. Trying to get Zimmerman to say yes and overruling his lawyer's objections to have more time.
"Can you take the stand?"
"When do you think you could take the stand?"
...how about now, you want to now?
would you could you in a boat? would you could you with a goat?
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Jojo the circus boy
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Defense win objection with State trying to impeach Z's trainer for advertising on his website the Z trial in order to impeach Mr. Root's testimony saying he added extra weight to the case.
State declines to call Mr. Lee.
State hasn't lined up their 3rd witness Mr. Fleishman (doesn't know his first name lol), who is the officer who arrested Z for the undercover battery in 2005.
State declines to call Mr. Lee.
State hasn't lined up their 3rd witness Mr. Fleishman (doesn't know his first name lol), who is the officer who arrested Z for the undercover battery in 2005.
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Jojo the circus boy
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Spanky267
Footballguy
Well I dont want to see any riots or anything. If the jury is smart they will wait until very late on Friday to issue their verdict. We, meaning Florida, are supposedto get hit by what is left of TS Chantal on late Friday or early Saturday. That rain maker should tamp down any random rioting or violence.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
What are the chances people riot over this?
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Truly not sure. But I know this is BIG news here in Orlando, and (statistically) some of the worst crime neighborhoods in the U.S border right on the downtown business/residential district, so I'm not taking any chances. I'd rather have my brother come stay with me at the beach for a day or two and have it be an unnecessary reason to drink a couple of beers then to risk even a 1% chance that he's going to be stuck in the middle of a war zone in a ground-floor apartment with a screened balcony.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Is it their fault they are prosecuting an innocent man which the facts support?
Doug B
Footballguy
That was all very leading ... figured that was light years out of bounds for a judge. Oh sure, afterwards she can claim "Well, I didn't COMPEL him ...", but come on.
The Commish
Footballguy
Worth what? I know that dispatch area probably had no idea how many times he called and it doesn't matter to them....so when you ask "is it worth it?" #1. I'm not sure what "it" is and #2. I'm not sure who's perspective you are asking me to speak from.If one of the 47 times he called leads to an arrest made, is it worth it?Your comment (if I remember correctly) was something like "Oh, head (part) of the neighborhood watch?? No problem with the number of times he called" On it's face, that comments suggests you think there's an acceptable amount of times one can make that call and part of that amount has something to do with him being part of the neighborhood watch. That's what I was asking about. For instance....IMO, calling the police/dispatch 6-7 times a year is getting into "boy who cried wolf" territory and has nothing to do with him being part of the watch.
Simply to say that I think those who think Zimmerman's police-call frequency is somehow unacceptable are wrong
The Commish
Footballguy
ATC1
Footballguy
Calling 6-7 times a year as neighborhood watch. I don't live in an area of high crime, but if I did, I would want someone to call in anything suspicious no matter how many times it is.Worth what? I know that dispatch area probably had no idea how many times he called and it doesn't matter to them....so when you ask "is it worth it?" #1. I'm not sure what "it" is and #2. I'm not sure who's perspective you are asking me to speak from.If one of the 47 times he called leads to an arrest made, is it worth it?Your comment (if I remember correctly) was something like "Oh, head (part) of the neighborhood watch?? No problem with the number of times he called" On it's face, that comments suggests you think there's an acceptable amount of times one can make that call and part of that amount has something to do with him being part of the neighborhood watch. That's what I was asking about. For instance....IMO, calling the police/dispatch 6-7 times a year is getting into "boy who cried wolf" territory and has nothing to do with him being part of the watch.
Simply to say that I think those who think Zimmerman's police-call frequency is somehow unacceptable are wrong
timschochet
Footballguy
Evilgrin, I was a little harsh in my response to you and I apologize. I detest the assumption that riots are inevitable, but of course you have to be concerned about them. Let's hope they don't occur.
The Commish
Footballguy
If he has the time....I guess?? If I lived in an area where that much suspicious activity was going on, I'd have to believe that I'd be rethinking my living arrangements or evaluate my personal definition of "suspicious".Calling 6-7 times a year as neighborhood watch. I don't live in an area of high crime, but if I did, I would want someone to call in anything suspicious no matter how many times it is.Worth what? I know that dispatch area probably had no idea how many times he called and it doesn't matter to them....so when you ask "is it worth it?" #1. I'm not sure what "it" is and #2. I'm not sure who's perspective you are asking me to speak from.If one of the 47 times he called leads to an arrest made, is it worth it?Your comment (if I remember correctly) was something like "Oh, head (part) of the neighborhood watch?? No problem with the number of times he called" On it's face, that comments suggests you think there's an acceptable amount of times one can make that call and part of that amount has something to do with him being part of the neighborhood watch. That's what I was asking about. For instance....IMO, calling the police/dispatch 6-7 times a year is getting into "boy who cried wolf" territory and has nothing to do with him being part of the watch.
Simply to say that I think those who think Zimmerman's police-call frequency is somehow unacceptable are wrong
Zow
Footballguy
1. I can see the social allure of this trial. It includes many levels of racism/stereotypes with 2nd amendment layers cloaked in self defense. If Zimmerman were white I could see this being the perfect case of old school hillbilly thinking against the ultra socially liberal position of the oppressed. I wouldn't be shocked if a poll of Zimmermans guilt could be divided evenly across party lines.
2. EG as a criminal lawyer I can say that I think we are looking at acquittal across the board here. I don't know Orlando or the chances of a riot, but if you believe thre may be one with an acquittal I'd start preparing. I'd estimate the jury takes a couple of days to make a decision. I don't think it'll be too quick.
3. Again, the judge was all over Zimmerman to create a solid record of his refusal to testify. This is a big case, and if Zimmerman were to lose there's almost always an appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel. Judge wanted to make sure Zimmerman doesn't have grounds here that his attorney didn't let his testify. I will say that if they chose to not have him testify in a self defense case, everything must have gone perfectly for the defense.
2. EG as a criminal lawyer I can say that I think we are looking at acquittal across the board here. I don't know Orlando or the chances of a riot, but if you believe thre may be one with an acquittal I'd start preparing. I'd estimate the jury takes a couple of days to make a decision. I don't think it'll be too quick.
3. Again, the judge was all over Zimmerman to create a solid record of his refusal to testify. This is a big case, and if Zimmerman were to lose there's almost always an appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel. Judge wanted to make sure Zimmerman doesn't have grounds here that his attorney didn't let his testify. I will say that if they chose to not have him testify in a self defense case, everything must have gone perfectly for the defense.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Really? I mean, I get it that this case has captivated............. people. But why? Because people that have an agenda want to use it for their agenda. There are no great issues involved here. Two people that weren't ostensibly doing anything wrong were in the wrong place at the wrong time, there was an incorrect assumption or assumptions most likely which lead to an altercation and someone getting shot.I'm not a court trial fan to be honest. Didn't watch any of Casey Anthony, or Scott Peterson. Didn't care. I watched a good bit of this trial because there are social and cultural issues involved.You watch this manure, post about a 1000 times on it and totally miss the trial of the decade which aired 6+ hours a day for 5 months.
Media circus aside, it's not a particularly noteworthy case.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I think this is a far more intriguing case than the Casey Anthony or Jodi Arias cases. Not only because of the racial and social issues, but because justifiable homicide is one of the trickiest questions in criminal law. It's also somewhat unique in that I think it's a criminal case where the quality of the lawyering might really matter.
Gawain
Footballguy
Any if you guys had a chance to play this, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57592813-94/angry-trayvon-game-to-shut-down-following-complaints/ before it got pulled?
Charlie Frown
Footballguy
Defense rests?
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Hasn't changed.
Right now State will get to give their closing at 1PM tomorrow and they will recess for the night allowing the jurors to sleep on it - that is an awful lot of time to be thinking about what the State presents. Defense does not give their closing until Friday morning.
I would have rather had seen both closings occur on the same day, Mark O'Mara suggested it to the Judge and the Judge said, "The reason I told you what schedule I wanted is because it makes sense to me."
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ArbyMelt
Footballguy
Yes - and apparently no rebuttal from the State. Some arguing over Jury Instructions tomorrow AM (mostly the lesser charges), then the State closing starts at 1pm, looks like Defense will do closing Fri AM, should go to the Jury Friday afternoon.
ETA: no timetable offered on the verdict and subsequent riots.
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It is noteworthy because public pressure lead to charges being filed when there never should have been. It will be somewhat noteworthy for the response after the trial. I don't see riots, but I do see something like this:Really? I mean, I get it that this case has captivated............. people. But why? Because people that have an agenda want to use it for their agenda. There are no great issues involved here. Two people that weren't ostensibly doing anything wrong were in the wrong place at the wrong time, there was an incorrect assumption or assumptions most likely which lead to an altercation and someone getting shot.I'm not a court trial fan to be honest. Didn't watch any of Casey Anthony, or Scott Peterson. Didn't care. I watched a good bit of this trial because there are social and cultural issues involved.You watch this manure, post about a 1000 times on it and totally miss the trial of the decade which aired 6+ hours a day for 5 months.
Peaceful protesters hit the streets in several Florida towns and several towns outside of Florida. Opportunists see it as a chance to loot and vandalize. Some like the black panthers could even take the chance to try to stir up violence. No one can predict how widespread it will be, but there is legitimate reasons to prepare for the worse. Black leadership needs to get ahead of this game and keep it clean and police need to be ready for anything.
