Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

 

[Slapdash]

Sad to hear that 17 yr old smoking " weed " twice a week gets laughter from crowd.

I guess DARE is not working.

 

[timschochet]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Mind you... where we live, blonds are dumb.

Where are her parents to stop this? I didn't think she could look any worse than she did in the trial, but this is astounding.

how many blond jokes are out there?

Probably a similar amount to the black jokes. What's your point?

maybe that girl doesnt know any blonds and only heard blond jokes so she thinks that all blonds must be dumb. That tweet the lawyers daughter tweeted was pretty dumb

 

[jonessed]

Is that her lawyer sitting next to her?She'll need him with Piers lobbing these softball questions at her.

Yes. Just like Zimmerman had his lawyer next to him in the Hannity interview as Hannity lobbed his softballs.

What is she charged with?

Who? DiDi? She's not charged with anything. What's your point? The two points that you brought up are the same in both interviews.....they both have their lawyers present and are being served softballs.

So you think Zimmerman being charged with Murder 2 and thus requiring a lawyer to be present during this interview is the same ####### thing for DiDi having a laywer, because she is charged with what exactly?

Being stupid.

 

[Mentos]

Have any Scandinavian NHLers chimed in with any tweets yet?

 

[Abraham]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

I can make a compelling argument both ways on this. It's a broken window issue - make the school a pristine and special place and maybe a generation or two starts to rally and care and the cycle works and the area is helped. Or maybe it goes the other way and the money gets abused by bad administration and nothing changes.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.

 

[Joe McGee]

After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.

I found it very hard to believe that she was married to a lawyer and didn't know much about this case. But, that's just me.

 

[jonessed]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

Bad parents aren't suddenly going to become good parents because the schools have more money.

Some of the best public schools in my area are pretty rundown. They were built in the 60's so they are just ready to be replaced. Still fantastic schools though. It's all about the parents.

 

[MAC_32]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

maybe I am just jaded because of my experience with many of these parents, but I don't think it would do any good. It all starts at home, difficult to make corrections when the problems begin there. Just aren't enough resources.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

Bad parents aren't suddenly going to become good parents because the schools have more money.

Some of the best public schools in my area are pretty rundown. They were built in the 60's so they are just ready to be replaced. Still fantastic schools though. It's all about the parents.

Maybe with better schools and and more attention to the students needs those kids would grow up to be better parents and break the cycle?

 

[MAC_32]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

Bad parents aren't suddenly going to become good parents because the schools have more money.

Some of the best public schools in my area are pretty rundown. They were built in the 60's so they are just ready to be replaced. Still fantastic schools though. It's all about the parents.

Maybe with better schools and and more attention to the students needs those kids would grow up to be better parents and break the cycle?

maybe. Good luck passing the levy though.

 

[jonessed]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

Bad parents aren't suddenly going to become good parents because the schools have more money.

Some of the best public schools in my area are pretty rundown. They were built in the 60's so they are just ready to be replaced. Still fantastic schools though. It's all about the parents.

Maybe with better schools and and more attention to the students needs those kids would grow up to be better parents and break the cycle?

It won't work without parent and community support. You are trying to wag the dog. The community makes the school. If you want to fix urban schools you have to improve the communities they are in.

 

[Mario Kart]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

I like to think I am a pretty good teacher when it comes to my students. I try to get to know them and tell them the way the world is. I share my experiences with them and have explained to them, some are a personal level, others in a larger group but some students simply do not care. I have had students express that if some kids in class were raised right by their parents, they wouldn't act the way they do. That "thought" comes from 14-16 year old "kids".

Conferences this past year, out of my ~120 students, the first conference we had at our school, I had 16 parents/guardians show up. The second round of conferences in March, I had 12 parents/guardians show. It all starts in the home and then is either enhanced positively or negatively by friends. I, as the teacher, can do so much.

 

[timschochet]

After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.

No big surprise there.

Gun owners have become so politicized these days.

 

[jonessed]

After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.

No big surprise there.Gun owners have become so politicized these days.

Gun owners supporting gun rights is nothing new.

 

[timschochet]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

I like to think I am a pretty good teacher when it comes to my students. I try to get to know them and tell them the way the world is. I share my experiences with them and have explained to them, some are a personal level, others in a larger group but some students simply do not care. I have had students express that if some kids in class were raised right by their parents, they wouldn't act the way they do. That "thought" comes from 14-16 year old "kids".

Conferences this past year, out of my ~120 students, the first conference we had at our school, I had 16 parents/guardians show up. The second round of conferences in March, I had 12 parents/guardians show. It all starts in the home and then is either enhanced positively or negatively by friends. I, as the teacher, can do so much.

Again, have you seen the urban schools?

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the role of parents, but schools should have at LEAST a minimum of textbooks, supplies, teachers who give a crap, classrooms that don't look like fallout shelters after the apocalypse.

 

[timschochet]

After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.

No big surprise there.Gun owners have become so politicized these days.

Gun owners supporting gun rights is nothing new.

It is my impression that in the last decade or so it has become far more intense. Gun owners have become far more unified- and paranoid of losing their rights (I don't like to use that word, but it is accurate IMO).

 

[jonessed]

After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.

No big surprise there.Gun owners have become so politicized these days.

Gun owners supporting gun rights is nothing new.

It is my impression that in the last decade or so it has become far more intense. Gun owners have become far more unified- and paranoid of losing their rights (I don't like to use that word, but it is accurate IMO).

Many of them just happen to disagree with your interpretation of their rights. That doesn't make them paranoid. You have a nasty habit of trying to discount people you disagree with by putting them down.

 

[Abraham]

Gun support hasn't changed, it just got more visible with a dem in the White House as it always does.

 

[timschochet]

After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.

No big surprise there.Gun owners have become so politicized these days.

Gun owners supporting gun rights is nothing new.

It is my impression that in the last decade or so it has become far more intense. Gun owners have become far more unified- and paranoid of losing their rights (I don't like to use that word, but it is accurate IMO).

Many of them just happen to disagree with your interpretation of their rights. That doesn't make them paranoid. You have a nasty habit of trying to discount people you disagree with by putting them down.

No, it's not a question of my disagreement with them. It's a question of their reaction to events.

 

[MAC_32]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

I like to think I am a pretty good teacher when it comes to my students. I try to get to know them and tell them the way the world is. I share my experiences with them and have explained to them, some are a personal level, others in a larger group but some students simply do not care. I have had students express that if some kids in class were raised right by their parents, they wouldn't act the way they do. That "thought" comes from 14-16 year old "kids".Conferences this past year, out of my ~120 students, the first conference we had at our school, I had 16 parents/guardians show up. The second round of conferences in March, I had 12 parents/guardians show. It all starts in the home and then is either enhanced positively or negatively by friends. I, as the teacher, can do so much.

Again, have you seen the urban schools?I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the role of parents, but schools should have at LEAST a minimum of textbooks, supplies, teachers who give a crap, classrooms that don't look like fallout shelters after the apocalypse.

Your tunnel vision appears very thick.

 

[jonessed]

After watching that juror on CNN im convinced she swayed the 3 other jurors that thought zimmy was guilty,to go the other way.She comes off as a very strong personality ... shes married to an attorney and is privy to how the system works . 2 jurors thought manslaughter and 1 thought murder 2. I also think she knew a lot about the story before she was picked and had already made up her mind about what happened that night. Shes a gun owner and was very sympathetic to zimmy. Just my feeling.

No big surprise there.Gun owners have become so politicized these days.

Gun owners supporting gun rights is nothing new.

It is my impression that in the last decade or so it has become far more intense. Gun owners have become far more unified- and paranoid of losing their rights (I don't like to use that word, but it is accurate IMO).

Many of them just happen to disagree with your interpretation of their rights. That doesn't make them paranoid. You have a nasty habit of trying to discount people you disagree with by putting them down.

No, it's not a question of my disagreement with them. It's a question of their reaction to events.

Same thing. You are talking in circles.

 

[Widbil83]

This "interview" is embarrasing.

Watching the replay right now. Might be the worst interview of all time. The questions Piers is asking are hilarious. Then you see the audience in the background looking puzzled when she answers. SNL gold here.

 

[Rush Limbaugh Fan]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

You got anything to back that up or is this your typical bull####?

* [Zimmerman Complained About Sanford Police in Defense of Homeless Black Man](http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/24/George-Zimmerman-Black-Homeless-Man-Sanford-Police)
* [Tape showed Zimmerman's anger over black man's beating](http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting)
* [Zimmerman: Sanford Police Covered Up Beating Of Black Homeless Man By White Officer](http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/05/23/zimmerman-sanford-police-covered-up-beating-of-black-homeless-man-by-white-officer/)
* [in 2010 race-related beating case, George Zimmerman pushed to discipline same officers who investigated Trayvon Martin shooting](http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/)

 

[Mario Kart]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

I like to think I am a pretty good teacher when it comes to my students. I try to get to know them and tell them the way the world is. I share my experiences with them and have explained to them, some are a personal level, others in a larger group but some students simply do not care. I have had students express that if some kids in class were raised right by their parents, they wouldn't act the way they do. That "thought" comes from 14-16 year old "kids".

Conferences this past year, out of my ~120 students, the first conference we had at our school, I had 16 parents/guardians show up. The second round of conferences in March, I had 12 parents/guardians show. It all starts in the home and then is either enhanced positively or negatively by friends. I, as the teacher, can do so much.

Again, have you seen the urban schools?

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the role of parents, but schools should have at LEAST a minimum of textbooks, supplies, teachers who give a crap, classrooms that don't look like fallout shelters after the apocalypse.

I won't get into specifics but last year I spent more than $400 for my students on supplies, food, and other things. Might even have been more than $400 but that is not my point. I had students go all year without picking up a textbook for my class and some of those same students did not pick up any textbooks the whole year.

Not sure what schools you are referring to, at least mine, while not updated to 2010's standards, is a nice building overall. Not sure what amenities you want all schools to have but we have textbooks and computers. We do not have white boards in each room but we do have smart boards.

 

[tdoss]

In 513 Days Between Trayvon Shooting and Zimmerman Verdict, 11,106 Blacks Murdered by OTHER BLACKShttp://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/655...erdict-11106-blacks-murdered-by-other-blacks/

It's Bush's fault. Isn't that the standard line?

Good God...that is an UNBELIEVABLE number...holy crap!

 

[Tibetan Sherpa]

Is that her lawyer sitting next to her?She'll need him with Piers lobbing these softball questions at her.

Yes. Just like Zimmerman had his lawyer next to him in the Hannity interview as Hannity lobbed his softballs.

What is she charged with?

Who? DiDi? She's not charged with anything. What's your point? The two points that you brought up are the same in both interviews.....they both have their lawyers present and are being served softballs.

So you think Zimmerman being charged with Murder 2 and thus requiring a lawyer to be present during this interview is the same ####### thing for DiDi having a laywer, because she is charged with what exactly?

They both had lawyers during a softball interview. But it doesn't matter to you. You'll spew th same #### that you have been, so save it, Circus Boy.

So why does she need a lawyer? I know this question is really difficult for you to comprehend.

My guess is because she's not that articulate and may have needed help getting a point across? I don't know, nor do I think it matters much. Since you have been yapping during the entire thread, and know all the answers, you tell me? What sort of nefarious plot was she up to?

 

[tdoss]

I gotta think Zim makes serious duckets off of NBC and CNN...and deservedly so. I can't believe some of the crap they did to him.

As for his story...what more could there be? He already told his story many times...how could there be a best seller in that?

Maybe if he focuses on how he's had to live under a rock and how he's getting by while looking over his shoulder all the time, maybe...I could see that being somewhat compelling.

ducats

I'm thinking buckets of ducats...duckets.

Hey man...if she can redefine "cracka"...I can do what I want...

 

[tdoss]

Rachel Jeantel's whole interview was damage control for her racist, disrespectful, lying testimony. She pretty much tried to backtrack on everything she testified to.

One nugget from the juror was that 3 of the 6 believed ZImmerman was guilty entering deliberations. I wonder how long it would take for tim, Jojo, Christo, jonmx, busted knuckles, and crosseyed to come to a unanimous verdict.

CNN just will not let the race thing go. The biased judge found no evidence of racial profiling. The FBI found no evidence of racial profiling. Piers Morgan is so desperate to interject raceinto it that he asked Casey Anthony's defense attorney if there was a subliminal race component to the case. The answer was of course not.

Nice try CNN.

wouldnt happen...ever...it would be a hung jury

I don't know...look, you guys know I don't agree with Tim on most everything...but to his credit...he did come around to "Not Guilty" on all charges brought forth.

 

[tdoss]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

God...I know I'm gonna hate myself for this...

Why do you think Zim is a racist? Give some examples please...wait...scratch that...give some VALID examples please...

 

[tdoss]

One thing that is happening that I cannot put my finger on is the following, and no disrespect to any of the parties involved or with the fallout of any of it or anything of that nature, but:

Of all the atrocities in America going on today, yesterday, whatever, leaders in the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, whoever else) are hanging their hat on this case to further publicize and take advantage of any perceived racial inequalities in America. Of all the things they could focus on (hate repeating these but Chicago, fatherless kids, poverty, whatever) they are hanging their hats on this case. Knowing (if the leaders cared to look at the evidence) what happened, the leaders are taking a stand with this. I don't care if you are black, white, latino, Martian, but knowing what we know about each of those communities, the black leaders are taking their stand here. That in itself is messed up and shows a lack of focus by the leaders, no?

A few years back when Bill Cosby spoke up, does anyone remember what backlash there was against him? Bill Cosby should have been "appointed" a leader to some degree.

I think it was mixed. There were many black people who agreed but many who didn't like being taken to task for essentially being called bad parents. Unfortunately there were a lot who would rather blame the government for not doing enough rather than take a look in the mirror.

Here's one idiot's response to him telling parents not to be frivolous with their money:

"It is interesting that Cosby expects poor parents, and youth, to be more fiscally responsible than those with far greater resources prove to be," Dyson writes.

But what about the often repeated assertion that poor blacks can't afford to be spendthrifts?

"There is a cruelty to such an observation," according to Dyson. "Not only is the poor parent, or child, at a great disadvantage economically, but they are expected to be more judicious and responsible than their well-to-do counterparts, with far fewer resources."

The main reason the reaction was mixed was because so many conservatives jumped to applaud Cosby, and that annoyed a lot of people. To those of us who are more sympathetic to traditionally liberal African-American concerns, it just seems that conservatives applaud anyone whose message correlates to the conservative principle of "it's not our problem." IMO, Cosby was correct in what he said, but the black plight in this country is not just something that they can fix themselves. It's the conservatives' problem, and my problem, and ALL of our problem, and we all need to work to fix it.

The main reason that the reaction was mixed is that the black community in general is not introspective. The so called problems and plight of the black community are always perceived to have been created by someone else. There is no responsibility for their own plight.Having grown up as a poor kid in a predominantely black community I have seen many of these things first hand. There are many in the black community who want to improve their lot in life and they toil relentlessly to achieve their dreams. While still others do nothing to improve their lot in life and instead rely on the largess of the government for everything from their cellphone to their place of residence. You watch the talking heads on MSNBC like Melissa Harris-Perry or Al Sharpton and their discussions revolve around how government and the rest of society can change in an effort to uplift the black community. But never do they speak of the responsibility of the black community to uplift themselves.

Look at Mexican immigrants. They willfully defy U.S. law to flee Mexico for a better life for themselves and their children. They work tirelessly here to not only support themselves and their family in the U.S., bit many of them send hundreds if not thousands of dollars back to their homeland to support their extended families. Many of these folks go on to own their own businesses within a generation. Many of them do avail themselves of our social safety net but it is a means to an end. Not the end game.

You can't compare blacks to Hispanics. In fact, you can't compare blacks to ANY immigrant or ethnic group, except possibly native Americans. Every other group came here willingly. It's a big difference.African-Americans were subject to 200 years of slavery. Then they were subject to another 120 years of being treated like total crap, third class citizens. They continue to suffer under institutionalized racism from our justice system even today. And yet we expect them to behave rationally- it's not our problem. Let them fix whatever is wrong themselves.

For me, that just doesn't fly.

So you think we should offer social and/or political reparations for the sins of those that came before us? I don't disagree that blacks as a whole have had a ####ty deal in this country. I agree that there is some justifiable and worthwhile consideration for that. But trayvon Martin and Rodney king and Colin Powell and Barack Obama weren't slaves and weren't stolen from their homes in Africa. At what point is there enough separation between then and now that we call it a wash? Maybe we aren't there yet, and I so understand your point, but I'm not sure why me and my white suburban friends are supposed to feel guilty forever about the standing of black people in this country.

Can't word my take how I want so I will piggy back grandpa.I work with a lot of young under privileged people and my biggest issues seem to be with black people. The lack of responsibility and attitude of just expecting handouts without putting in the work is infuriating. It's an education issue that stems from home. We aren't going to get anywhere until the past is forgiven. But not forgotten.

Did you just have a stroke?

 

[tdoss]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

throwing money at education won't do any good if the parenting is still inadequate.

I've heard this response for years. Have you seen some of the urban schools? Absolutely we should throw money at them. They're in shameful shape. Perhaps if the kids had schools and teachers like my kids do (in nice upper middle class Orange County) it would have an effect on the parents.

How do you pay for those better schools, Tim? Most, who value their kids education will move to areas that have better schools. In those areas, it's typical that you'll pay higher taxes, mello roos, etc.

Better schools are available in other areas...move.

But it's not so simple, is it? Can't afford the higher priced homes, taxes and fees...

So how do you fix that? Go into those areas that are dilapidated and throw good money at the schools at the detriment to the schools you're paying for now? Or we all pay even more on top of what we are now? Or raise the taxes and fees of the areas that need the better schools?

I'm just not seeing your plan yet, Tim...count me on board if you can figure it out.

 

[Mario Kart]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

God...I know I'm gonna hate myself for this...

Why do you think Zim is a racist? Give some examples please...wait...scratch that...give some VALID examples please...

1. He got out of his car.

2. TBA

 

[tdoss]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

God...I know I'm gonna hate myself for this...

Why do you think Zim is a racist? Give some examples please...wait...scratch that...give some VALID examples please...

1. He got out of his car.

2. TBA

Silly cracka...streets are for kids.

Stay in the car, you racist, white devils.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

God...I know I'm gonna hate myself for this...

Why do you think Zim is a racist? Give some examples please...wait...scratch that...give some VALID examples please...

1. He got out of his car.

2. TBA

"####### Punk" without knowing a damn thing about him, or who he was. Starters!

 

[Mister CIA]

Okay mods, can you go ahead and merge all of this into the *** Official Crazy Florida Thread ***

TIA.

 

[tdoss]

http://www.idesigntimes.com/articles/6690/20130716/breaking-lapd-begin-mass-arrests-zimmerman-protestors.htm

Crenshaw jumping off a bit right now.

How many of these "gatherings" that require police to fire rubber bullets, tear gas and/or bean bags into the crowd before Tim admits he was wrong about riots? Just wondering what the over/under is on these events?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

This guy gets it

 

[tdoss]

Powerful message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mooiI9wIagY

Tim...you might want to plug your ears...knowledge is about to be dropped...

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Rachel Jeantel's whole interview was damage control for her racist, disrespectful, lying testimony. She pretty much tried to backtrack on everything she testified to.

One nugget from the juror was that 3 of the 6 believed ZImmerman was guilty entering deliberations. I wonder how long it would take for tim, Jojo, Christo, jonmx, busted knuckles, and crosseyed to come to a unanimous verdict.

CNN just will not let the race thing go. The biased judge found no evidence of racial profiling. The FBI found no evidence of racial profiling. Piers Morgan is so desperate to interject raceinto it that he asked Casey Anthony's defense attorney if there was a subliminal race component to the case. The answer was of course not.

Nice try CNN.

wouldnt happen...ever...it would be a hung jury

I don't know...look, you guys know I don't agree with Tim on most everything...but to his credit...he did come around to "Not Guilty" on all charges brought forth.

I think Tibetan Sherpa Busted Knuckles was admitting that he would refuse to see the light out of sheer stubbornness.

 

[CurlyNight]

CNN's interview with a juror was interesting. It all came down to that moment and nothing more. Seems if this case was in another state with no stand your ground, he would have been convicted of something.

Here's the interview:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-anderson-cooper-interviews-anonymous-member-of-zimmerman-jury-who-defends-acquittal-decision/

 

[CurlyNight]

As for Didi's interview on Piers Morgan, when asked about how she talks, she did say she has a bone structure problem for years that she's been putting off surgery for. This makes it tough for her to enunciate words clearly. That seems to explain her sounding like she's on drugs.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

This guy gets it

the hardcore Martin supporters need to open their eyes and watch this

Rachel Jeantel (DiDi) had authority issues, she hated Don West both on the stand and in front of Piers Morgan, she told the court she was not coming back another day, she don't have time for that.

This guy makes a good point that DiDi exemplifies the company Martin kept and is an indicator of the type of person Martin was, they shared the same values and acted out in similar manners.

People need to stop asking why George never blurted out he was with Neighborhood Watch and start asking why Martin never said he lived down the block and was visiting with his dad. I could understand if Martin didn't see or hear Zimmerman on the phone that he might think the guy was sketchy, but he witnessed Zimmerman in his car on the phone, he had an opportunity to eavesdrop Zimmerman while on the phone as to what he was talking about and he was not so dumb that he couldn't put 1 and 1 together. If you don't think he was in ear shot than you admit that Martin was far enough away from Zimmerman, meaning closer to Brandi Green's house then you previously admitted and that he had to have double backed to approach Zimmmerman.

 

[The Kerminator]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

You got anything to back that up or is this your typical bull####?

* [Zimmerman Complained About Sanford Police in Defense of Homeless Black Man](http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/24/George-Zimmerman-Black-Homeless-Man-Sanford-Police)
* [Tape showed Zimmerman's anger over black man's beating](http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting)
* [Zimmerman: Sanford Police Covered Up Beating Of Black Homeless Man By White Officer](http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/05/23/zimmerman-sanford-police-covered-up-beating-of-black-homeless-man-by-white-officer/)
* [in 2010 race-related beating case, George Zimmerman pushed to discipline same officers who investigated Trayvon Martin shooting](http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/)

Major ownage here.

 

[tdoss]

Rachel Jeantel's whole interview was damage control for her racist, disrespectful, lying testimony. She pretty much tried to backtrack on everything she testified to.

One nugget from the juror was that 3 of the 6 believed ZImmerman was guilty entering deliberations. I wonder how long it would take for tim, Jojo, Christo, jonmx, busted knuckles, and crosseyed to come to a unanimous verdict.

CNN just will not let the race thing go. The biased judge found no evidence of racial profiling. The FBI found no evidence of racial profiling. Piers Morgan is so desperate to interject raceinto it that he asked Casey Anthony's defense attorney if there was a subliminal race component to the case. The answer was of course not.

Nice try CNN.

wouldnt happen...ever...it would be a hung jury

I don't know...look, you guys know I don't agree with Tim on most everything...but to his credit...he did come around to "Not Guilty" on all charges brought forth.

I think Tibetan Sherpa Busted Knuckles was admitting that he would refuse to see the light out of sheer stubbornness.

Oh...gotcha. Yea...it'd be hung...some men, you just can't reach.

 

[Two Deep]

Mind you... where we live, blonds are dumb.

Where are her parents to stop this? I didn't think she could look any worse than she did in the trial, but this is astounding.

Stop her, she is getting paid for this. She'll be rolling out on all the talk shows.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

3 jurors thought not guilty...2 jurors thought manslaughter...1 juror thought murder 2 before deliberations

It was travesty bringing this to trial. No impartial juror would ever think that Zimmerman was guilty based on this joke of a case.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

.... I wonder how long it would take for tim, Jojo, Christo, jonmx, busted knuckles, and crosseyed to come to a unanimous verdict....

When they found the law too confusing would they have also punted?