Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[Clifford]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

You really are hung up on assuming Zimmerman thought with 100% certainty that Martin was a criminal. If I remember correctly he called the NEN and reported suspicious activity. Someone acting suspicious is not a criminal. Criminals are people that have been convicted of a crime. Zimmerman did not call 911 and report a robbery in progress. According to you that is the only time it is acceptable for someone to report someone, when they have eyewitness proof that the person they are reporting broke the law.

The world is not black and white and neither are the reasons for someone to call a non-emergency number.

Zimmerman was not patrolling either like you make him out to be, he was simply driving to Target to do his weekly shopping. But don't let me stop you from painting the picture you are working on to portray Zimmerman in the worst possible light.

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Look I get that he's your hero but you have his own words that Tray was "up to no good" and the whole "these ####### punks always get away" comment proved that he thought he was disrupting someone who is about to commit a crime. Otherwise there would be nothing to "get away" from, unless you count Zimmerman.

ETA 100% certainty is your own addition. No one can ever know 100% the content of his mind, but all words and actions associated with him at the time do in fact suggest he thought he was stopping a crime in progress.

Which in fact does make him paranoid, because he does not actually claim to have seen anything other than someone walking in the rain, staring at him, staring at houses. The dispatcher's comment was "Ok, so he's just walking around..." and Zimm added "looking AT houses" Not "into" houses or "peering into windows." Which would be suspicious.

Zimmerman finds the act of someone walking home in a light drizzle suspicious. Therefore, sorry, paranoid. There are break ins everywhere. It's the paranoid people who take that in and see criminals everywhere.

So I stand by my opinion that Zimm is not a racist, but is paranoid and does envision himself as some sort of crime-fighter.

 

[Clifford]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

 

[johnnycakes]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

I just heard about that in Arizona Ron's thread from the other day.

 

[The Commish]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

It's not on the 911 tapes....was it his re-enactment?

 

[cstu]

wow

Well I know what to get your for next year's t-shirt exchange.

 

[ATC1]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.

That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

GZ was a little over the top, I'll agree. He would call the police for a garage door being open in his neighborhood. However, in this case. If it is raining and I see someone looking in the houses. I certainly would have called the police. When I see him run down the T, I still wouldn't get out of my car, but i would assume much like what I think GZ did that TM was long gone.

I simply think he is a good guy that cares about the crime in his neighborhood. If he could have stayed in his car that night knowing what he does now, he would have.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

I just heard about that in Arizona Ron's thread from the other day.

Staring at Houses = Looking in Windows - doesn't seem like that much of a stretch, do you think Martin was admiring the architecture of the cookie cutter buildings in the gated community while standing on the wet grass in his white tennis shoes?Even the juror that was on Anderson Cooper interpreted it as being the same thing.

Why stretch at all? Isn't the truth better than whatever deductions you feel you can reasonably draw? I know the keys necessary to type the phrase "staring at houses" work on your keyboard, so why didn't you use them the first time?

 

[Clifford]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

It's not on the 911 tapes....was it his re-enactment?

No, it's people like JoJo making a completely illogical and unqualified leap that staring at houses means looking into windows.

 

[Clifford]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.

That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

GZ was a little over the top, I'll agree. He would call the police for a garage door being open in his neighborhood. However, in this case. If it is raining and I see someone looking in the houses. I certainly would have called the police. When I see him run down the T, I still wouldn't get out of my car, but i would assume much like what I think GZ did that TM was long gone.

I simply think he is a good guy that cares about the crime in his neighborhood. If he could have stayed in his car that night knowing what he does now, he would have.

Zimmerman did not say he saw anyone looking into houses or peering into windows. He said he saw someone walking home, "staring at me" "staring at houses". At no point did he say that Tray approached a house or was looking into houses or into windows. If that came from anywhere, it's not from the call, so even if he did claim that after he killed Trayvon, it's not believable, unless you really, really want to believe it.

 

[The Commish]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

I just heard about that in Arizona Ron's thread from the other day.

Staring at Houses = Looking in Windows - doesn't seem like that much of a stretch, do you think Martin was admiring the architecture of the cookie cutter buildings in the gated community while standing on the wet grass in his white tennis shoes?Even the juror that was on Anderson Cooper interpreted it as being the same thing.

I should have known...got it Personally I think he was looking at the houses because that's what Zimmerman said. I guess that's just my bias kicking in again.

 

[Clifford]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.

That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

GZ was a little over the top, I'll agree. He would call the police for a garage door being open in his neighborhood. However, in this case. If it is raining and I see someone looking in the houses. I certainly would have called the police. When I see him run down the T, I still wouldn't get out of my car, but i would assume much like what I think GZ did that TM was long gone.

I simply think he is a good guy that cares about the crime in his neighborhood. If he could have stayed in his car that night knowing what he does now, he would have.

Well, he already said he wouldn't do anything differently, which certainly suggests he would do the same thing again presented with similar circumstances. So he's still dangerous.

 

[The Commish]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.

That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

GZ was a little over the top, I'll agree. He would call the police for a garage door being open in his neighborhood. However, in this case. If it is raining and I see someone looking in the houses. I certainly would have called the police. When I see him run down the T, I still wouldn't get out of my car, but i would assume much like what I think GZ did that TM was long gone.

I simply think he is a good guy that cares about the crime in his neighborhood. If he could have stayed in his car that night knowing what he does now, he would have.

Well, he already said he wouldn't do anything differently, which certainly suggests he would do the same thing again presented with similar circumstances. So he's still dangerous.

He said that on Hannity though. I hold out hope that he was just in CYA mode and that he learned something from it and he would indeed handle things appropriately next time.

 

[Rayderr]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.

That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

GZ was a little over the top, I'll agree. He would call the police for a garage door being open in his neighborhood. However, in this case. If it is raining and I see someone looking in the houses. I certainly would have called the police. When I see him run down the T, I still wouldn't get out of my car, but i would assume much like what I think GZ did that TM was long gone.

I simply think he is a good guy that cares about the crime in his neighborhood. If he could have stayed in his car that night knowing what he does now, he would have.

Well, he already said he wouldn't do anything differently, which certainly suggests he would do the same thing again presented with similar circumstances. So he's still dangerous.

You talking about the pre-trial interview? Of course he's going to say that. Saying otherwise can be interpreted into an admission of guilt.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Also, can someone explain this "white tennis shoes, wet grass" nonsense to me? Is the argument that he wouldn't walk on wet grass with white tennis shoes unless he was up to no good? Because that one of the dumbest things I've ever heard from anyone who either knows or was once a teenager. Plus the same terrible logic, if accepted as valid, would also apply in reverse- if he was planning on snooping around looking into houses on wet grass and for some reason really cared about protecting his shoes, he wouldn't have worn them in the first place.

 

[The Commish]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

I just heard about that in Arizona Ron's thread from the other day.

Staring at Houses = Looking in Windows - doesn't seem like that much of a stretch, do you think Martin was admiring the architecture of the cookie cutter buildings in the gated community while standing on the wet grass in his white tennis shoes?Even the juror that was on Anderson Cooper interpreted it as being the same thing.

Why stretch at all? Isn't the truth better than whatever deductions you feel you can reasonably draw? I know the keys necessary to type the phrase "staring at houses" work on your keyboard, so why didn't you use them the first time?

Sure, once you get everyone to stop typing with their fingers the keys on their keyboard when they type "pursue" "chase" "stalk".

Because someone using hyperbole to justify the comment is just like you reading into words to fit your narrative? Think about it. You're basically using the "well, he really didn't mean that literally. He meant something else" line, so the next logical question is, where else did he do that and how do you know?

 

[maxwelledison]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

It's not on the 911 tapes....was it his re-enactment?

No, it's people like JoJo making a completely illogical and unqualified leap that staring at houses means looking into windows.

You are right he was probably just high. That's why Zimmerman said something is wrong with him, like he's on drugs or something. Or maybe he wasn't high and he was casing the next house he was going to rob, I'll leave that decision up to you.

Those are clearly the only two options.

 

[Clifford]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

It's not on the 911 tapes....was it his re-enactment?

No, it's people like JoJo making a completely illogical and unqualified leap that staring at houses means looking into windows.

You are right he was probably just high. That's why Zimmerman said something is wrong with him, like he's on drugs or something. Or maybe he wasn't high and he was casing the next house he was going to rob, I'll leave that decision up to you.

So you are admitting that there was absolutely no reason to post what you posted?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

I just heard about that in Arizona Ron's thread from the other day.

Staring at Houses = Looking in Windows - doesn't seem like that much of a stretch, do you think Martin was admiring the architecture of the cookie cutter buildings in the gated community while standing on the wet grass in his white tennis shoes?Even the juror that was on Anderson Cooper interpreted it as being the same thing.

Why stretch at all? Isn't the truth better than whatever deductions you feel you can reasonably draw? I know the keys necessary to type the phrase "staring at houses" work on your keyboard, so why didn't you use them the first time?

Sure, once you get everyone to stop typing with their fingers the keys on their keyboard when they type "pursue" "chase" "stalk".

I have no idea what you mean. How about you just stop making stuff up instead of using the juvenile "they did it too!" defense?

 

[Clifford]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.

That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

GZ was a little over the top, I'll agree. He would call the police for a garage door being open in his neighborhood. However, in this case. If it is raining and I see someone looking in the houses. I certainly would have called the police. When I see him run down the T, I still wouldn't get out of my car, but i would assume much like what I think GZ did that TM was long gone.

I simply think he is a good guy that cares about the crime in his neighborhood. If he could have stayed in his car that night knowing what he does now, he would have.

Well, he already said he wouldn't do anything differently, which certainly suggests he would do the same thing again presented with similar circumstances. So he's still dangerous.

He said that on Hannity though. I hold out hope that he was just in CYA mode and that he learned something from it and he would indeed handle things appropriately next time.

Have you seen a retraction or apology for that statement?

 

[The Commish]

Where did the "looking in windows" come from?? Heard it in here a lot post trial.

Heard it a lot in the first few pages as well. Not a surprising coincidence to me.

It's not on the 911 tapes....was it his re-enactment?

No, it's people like JoJo making a completely illogical and unqualified leap that staring at houses means looking into windows.

You are right he was probably just high. That's why Zimmerman said something is wrong with him, like he's on drugs or something. Or maybe he wasn't high and he was casing the next house he was going to rob, I'll leave that decision up to you.

Telling that you limit the limitless possibilities to these two with your constant accusations of bias by everyone else. I think you can scratch "high" off the list given the toxicology report. For as much abuse as Tim has taken in this thread, you deserve as much, if not more for your behavior.

 

[The Commish]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.

That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

GZ was a little over the top, I'll agree. He would call the police for a garage door being open in his neighborhood. However, in this case. If it is raining and I see someone looking in the houses. I certainly would have called the police. When I see him run down the T, I still wouldn't get out of my car, but i would assume much like what I think GZ did that TM was long gone.

I simply think he is a good guy that cares about the crime in his neighborhood. If he could have stayed in his car that night knowing what he does now, he would have.

Well, he already said he wouldn't do anything differently, which certainly suggests he would do the same thing again presented with similar circumstances. So he's still dangerous.

He said that on Hannity though. I hold out hope that he was just in CYA mode and that he learned something from it and he would indeed handle things appropriately next time.

Have you seen a retraction or apology for that statement?

no, but I've dropped it (sans this thread and watching juror interviews should they arise). I'm not fully immersed in this like Jo Jo and Tim....

 

[Todd Andrews]

jojo = George Zimmerman

 

[kentric]

Also, can someone explain this "white tennis shoes, wet grass" nonsense to me? Is the argument that he wouldn't walk on wet grass with white tennis shoes unless he was up to no good? Because that one of the dumbest things I've ever heard from anyone who either knows or was once a teenager. Plus the same terrible logic, if accepted as valid, would also apply in reverse- if he was planning on snooping around looking into houses on wet grass and for some reason really cared about protecting his shoes, he wouldn't have worn them in the first place.

Go ahead, hide your head in the sand. For goodness sake man... He was walking on WET grass with WHITE sneakers. Its as clear as day he was up to no good.

 

[Parrothead]

Also, can someone explain this "white tennis shoes, wet grass" nonsense to me? Is the argument that he wouldn't walk on wet grass with white tennis shoes unless he was up to no good? Because that one of the dumbest things I've ever heard from anyone who either knows or was once a teenager. Plus the same terrible logic, if accepted as valid, would also apply in reverse- if he was planning on snooping around looking into houses on wet grass and for some reason really cared about protecting his shoes, he wouldn't have worn them in the first place.

Go ahead, hide your head in the sand. For goodness sake man... He was walking on WET grass with WHITE sneakers. Its as clear as day he was up to no good.

I learned from "Do the Right Thing" that black kids don't like getting their sneakers dirty ('dem ####s are ruined)

 

[jon_mx]

Personally, I would profile anyone wearing white tennis shoes.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Personally, I would profile anyone wearing white tennis shoes.

Agree. Pretty good chance they're looking to commit securities fraud.

And I know this may not be PC, but I can't help but be extra suspicious if they're white men. It's not racism, it's just common sense. A disproportionate amount of white collar crime is committed by white men. Are we supposed to just ignore the statistics and the evidence and treat these people as we do everyone else? I blame white culture.

 

[kentric]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

If Zimmerman was racist there would have been stuff that came out. If anything, there is a ton of evidence which suggest Zimmerman was a tolerant individual who embraced people of color.

I don't Zimmerman was racist. I think he was an overly paranoid man who saw himself as a crime-fighter, which was his central delusion about himself. Because of this delusion he needed "villians" to stop from committing crimes, and I think it was his delusion about himself, rather than hatred for Martin's skin color, which caused him to conclude, without reason, that Martin was a criminal.

That being said, if a white man dressed in a button down and khakis had been doing the exact same thing, I don't think it would have been as easy for Zimmerman's paranoid, delusional brain to convince itself that what it was looking at was a criminal.

Zimmerman is not a racist or a murderer in my opinion. He is, however, a highly paranoid, delusional, and dangerous individual that should be incarcerated to prevent him from creating any more situations like the one he created.

GZ was a little over the top, I'll agree. He would call the police for a garage door being open in his neighborhood. However, in this case. If it is raining and I see someone looking in the houses. I certainly would have called the police. When I see him run down the T, I still wouldn't get out of my car, but i would assume much like what I think GZ did that TM was long gone.

I simply think he is a good guy that cares about the crime in his neighborhood. If he could have stayed in his car that night knowing what he does now, he would have.

Well, he already said he wouldn't do anything differently, which certainly suggests he would do the same thing again presented with similar circumstances. So he's still dangerous.

He said that on Hannity though. I hold out hope that he was just in CYA mode and that he learned something from it and he would indeed handle things appropriately next time.

Have you seen a retraction or apology for that statement?

Don't expect to see one until after the Civil trial.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Hey did anyone pay attention when the juror said Martin was looking IN houses? (Anderson Cooper interview)

I'm guessing no by the amount of ineptitude on display today.

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Just terrible.

You made stuff up to make the kid's behavior seem worse than it was. Anyone who has read the last two pages of this thread can see it plain as day. Just admit it. Lashing out at everyone for seeing through your BS doesn't help your case.

 

[kentric]

Hey did anyone pay attention when the juror said Martin was looking IN houses? (Anderson Cooper interview)

I'm guessing no by the amount of ineptitude on display today.

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So we're supposed to believe what the juror says is gospel? What's your point here Jojo?

 

[JHuber77]

please :IBTL:

 

[kentric]

Hey did anyone pay attention when the juror said Martin was looking IN houses? (Anderson Cooper interview)

I'm guessing no by the amount of ineptitude on display today.

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So we're supposed to believe what the juror says is gospel? What's your point here Jojo?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1307/15/acd.01.htmlIf the juror believed that's what happened who really gives a #### what I think?

The Defense did their job.

What does that have to do with you claiming ineptitude. People are referring to what actually was said, not what one of the jurors believed.

 

[Slapdash]

Hey did anyone pay attention when the juror said Martin was looking IN houses? (Anderson Cooper interview)

I'm guessing no by the amount of ineptitude on display today.

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Just terrible.

You made stuff up to make the kid's behavior seem worse than it was. Anyone who has read the last two pages of this thread can see it plain as day. Just admit it. Lashing out at everyone for seeing through your BS doesn't help your case.

Only two pages?

 

[Slapdash]

wow

Well I know what to get your for next year's t-shirt exchange.

Make sure to send more lube too.

 

[larry_boy_44]

You left out

1. Assumed Martin was a criminal for no reason at all

WRONG.

Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ... Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black. Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing? Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring... Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area... Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

What's wrong with that? They have had break-ins in the neighborhood, Martin was acting suspicious and was actually on drugs.

Really?

Yes.

No. Martin was not acting suspicious. He was walking slowly. He was a black teenage boy in a hoodie. That was suspicious enough for Zimmerman.People ask me why I think GZ was a racist. The first reason is because he racially profiled Trayvon Martin. Martin was suspicious mainly because he was black, IMO. If you disagree with this, I would suggest you have a 10 minute conversation with just about any black male in this country. They've all been through it. They'll set you straight.

So there has never in the history of the world been a time where a black male was thought to be suspicious where they deserved to be thought of as suspicious?

Sorry, Tim, just because there are racist cops and other issues doesn't mean that anytime someone sees a black teenager and is suspicious that they are being racist... Sometimes, the kid just actually looks suspicious...

 

[TobiasFunke]

Hey did anyone pay attention when the juror said Martin was looking IN houses? (Anderson Cooper interview)

I'm guessing no by the amount of ineptitude on display today.

.

Just terrible.

You made stuff up to make the kid's behavior seem worse than it was. Anyone who has read the last two pages of this thread can see it plain as day. Just admit it. Lashing out at everyone for seeing through your BS doesn't help your case.

Only two pages?

Maybe there's more, I just know of his fabrication about how the kid was looking in windows.

 

[tdoss]

Honest question from someone who hasn't followed the trial at all and has only a passing knowledge of the facts:

How does someone who is packing heat end up on the ground with punches being rained down on him by an unarmed 150 pound kid? Was this some sort of Cato-style sneak attack where Zimmerman didn't have an opportunity to pull his weapon and tell the kid to back the #### off?

It was dark, they did exchange words. From the trail an expert said TM threw the punch that broke GZ nose and GZ was stunned to the point that TM took advantage.At that point GZ did not feel his life was in danger, so he never pulled his weapon. Which is the correct action.

People haven't heard the term 'sucker punch'?

Cracka-punch

Whack-a-Cracka

 

[tommyboy]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

This post summarizes your idiocy. Hes latino and his grandfather was black. This case was never about race unless you are a mindless troll that sucks at the teet of the liberal media, which you are actually. Silly me. Nevermind

 

[Slapdash]

If Zimmerman was a horse would there still be as much outrage over his actions?

 

[worrierking]

I don't know if anybody has mentioned this, but isn't it possible that Martin didn't go home because he wanted to talk to Rachel on the phone and probably didn't want anybody else to hear it? He's on the phone, just hanging around in the rain and Zimmerman sees him. Because he is using headphones, Zimmerman can't tell he's on the phone and that makes Martin look like he's suspicious. If he had been holding the phone to his ear, perhaps Zimmerman would have seen that.

Then again, when Zimmerman loses sight of him, again Martin doesn't go home because he's talking to his girl.

Makes more sense than some of the other speculation.

 

[TobiasFunke]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

This post summarizes your idiocy. Hes latino and his grandfather was black. This case was never about race unless you are a mindless troll that sucks at the teet of the liberal media, which you are actually. Silly me. Nevermind

Just a thought- if you're going to call someone an idiot and/or mindless, you might want to take a couple seconds before you post to figure out if "never mind" is one word or two.

YWIA.

 

[ATC1]

I don't know if anybody has mentioned this, but isn't it possible that Martin didn't go home because he wanted to talk to Rachel on the phone and probably didn't want anybody else to hear it? He's on the phone, just hanging around in the rain and Zimmerman sees him. Because he is using headphones, Zimmerman can't tell he's on the phone and that makes Martin look like he's suspicious. If he had been holding the phone to his ear, perhaps Zimmerman would have seen that.

Then again, when Zimmerman loses sight of him, again Martin doesn't go home because he's talking to his girl.

Makes more sense than some of the other speculation.

She testified that she told him to just go home and he said Nah.

 

[ArbyMelt]

I don't know if anybody has mentioned this, but isn't it possible that Martin didn't go home because he wanted to talk to Rachel on the phone and probably didn't want anybody else to hear it? He's on the phone, just hanging around in the rain and Zimmerman sees him. Because he is using headphones, Zimmerman can't tell he's on the phone and that makes Martin look like he's suspicious. If he had been holding the phone to his ear, perhaps Zimmerman would have seen that.

Then again, when Zimmerman loses sight of him, again Martin doesn't go home because he's talking to his girl.

Makes more sense than some of the other speculation.

Trayvon was well aware GZ was "following him" and was scared from Rachel's testimony and was ~30 yards from "home", but 4 minutes later he ended a few hundred yards away. So you are saying he got distracted by talking to the girl and forgout about GZ and GZ attacked him? No evidence even remotely suggests that.

 

[maxwelledison]

If you guys aren't willing to at least acknowledge that a big part of Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin had to do with skin color, then theres very little for us to discuss. For me it's the starting point of this whole topic, and what makes this case so much more important than the killings which go on every day in this country. Despite the assertions of both prosecution and defense, this case was all about race, IMO.

This post summarizes your idiocy. Hes latino and his grandfather was black. This case was never about race unless you are a mindless troll that sucks at the teet of the liberal media, which you are actually. Silly me. Nevermind

Just a thought- if you're going to call someone an idiot and/or mindless, you might want to take a couple seconds before you post to figure out if "never mind" is one word or two.

YWIA.

Maybe he's into Nirvana?

 

[Slapdash]

I don't know if anybody has mentioned this, but isn't it possible that Martin didn't go home because he wanted to talk to Rachel on the phone and probably didn't want anybody else to hear it? He's on the phone, just hanging around in the rain and Zimmerman sees him. Because he is using headphones, Zimmerman can't tell he's on the phone and that makes Martin look like he's suspicious. If he had been holding the phone to his ear, perhaps Zimmerman would have seen that.

Then again, when Zimmerman loses sight of him, again Martin doesn't go home because he's talking to his girl.

Makes more sense than some of the other speculation.

Use your head here. It makes much more sense that he was high on PCP casing houses to rob.

 

[jon_mx]

If Zimmerman was a horse would there still be as much outrage over his actions?

If he was a horse, he would have the record for most beaten dead horse in history.

 

[Henry Ford]

If Zimmerman was a horse would there still be as much outrage over his actions?

If he was a horse, he would have the record for most beaten dead horse in history.

Until Zippy Chippy dies.

 

[Joe McGee]

If Zimmerman was a horse would there still be as much outrage over his actions?

Yes, there would be PETA riots all across the nation.

 

[jon_mx]

What happened to Tim? This was the best Whack-A-Tim thread ever.

 

[RCon]

If Zimmerman was a horse would there still be as much outrage over his actions?

I, for one, welcome our new gun-toting, equine overlords.

 

[Clifford]

You hate black people. We get it.