Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[Johnnymac]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

That's a scratch?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/George-Zimmerman-Head-Injury1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/20/new-photo-shows-george-zimmermans-bloodied-head/&h=360&w=640&sz=36&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=160&zoom=1&usg=__91x4W0cf-7bbZbrAPnVJzvVO0AA=&docid=3tYwR-jxgoqF6M&sa=X&ei=SMvxUfZFiNOKAv6lgMAF&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg&dur=256

Did you see the medical report? Those are two small scratches on the back of his head that bled. No stitches needed. No staples needed. It looks worse than it was.

 

[Courtjester]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

Oooohhh can I take a shot at this??

First of all, I agree with the verdict. But what I think happens, whatever you believe how it started, is altercation takes place, Zim is on his back and probably gets his head pounded into the ground once, maybe twice, but I bet the rest of the fight is just Zim rotating his head back and forth on the concrete avoiding punches or just as a result of the conflict. The resulting injuries are consistent with the scrapes on the back of the head.

As far as the witnesses statement today. This is just buyer's remorse on her part--"I feel bad, so I want to play both sides of the fence" to make myself feel better. It is no different than a guy breaking up with a girl, feeling bad about it and then trying to go back and tell her how great she is, but (inside) he knows he made the right call.

 

[Johnnymac]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

All the evidence matches up with his head hitting the concrete. If you can come up with a different scenario that matches all of the evidence we know about, you'd be one step ahead of the prosecutors of this case.Not sure why you don't believe it.

He didn't even need stitches man. Do you really believe that if his head was banged into the concrete that is the only extent of his injuries? That should have cracked his skull or at least needing stitches or probably staples. He also would have most likely lost consciousness. He got into a fight with a kid 50 lbs lighter than him and shot and killed him. I dont believe he was ever in fear for his life. At least the evidence didnt show me that he should have been. But whatever, it is what it is.

And that exaggeration right there should tell us all enough to know not to engage this one further.

Martin was 158 I think. Pretty sure GZ was over 200. If not, it still shows the guy is a #####. Fight with your fists and if you get your ### kicked, so be it.

 

[jon_mx]

he was 22 lbs lighter

 

[Johnnymac]

he was 22 lbs lighter

Ok, seems like a fair fight to me... Oh wait

 

[Todd Andrews]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

That's a scratch?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/George-Zimmerman-Head-Injury1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/20/new-photo-shows-george-zimmermans-bloodied-head/&h=360&w=640&sz=36&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=160&zoom=1&usg=__91x4W0cf-7bbZbrAPnVJzvVO0AA=&docid=3tYwR-jxgoqF6M&sa=X&ei=SMvxUfZFiNOKAv6lgMAF&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg&dur=256

Yes, a scratch.

 

[Christo]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

 

[jon_mx]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Zimmerman embellished his story. Zimmerman's head was hitting the sidewalk during the struggle and he man managed to work his way on to the grass. When you are in a fight, you probably don't remember exact details. Zimmerman"s story was substantially true.

And how do you know this? Because GZ said so?

His story was consistent with all the facts. Jon's testimony established Martin was on top beating up Zimmerman and Zimmerman was screaming for help. The 911 screams verified Zimmerman's fear. Didi's story was consistent with how Zimmerman said the encounter started. The injuries were all one-sided. The forensic evidence showed the gun shot was consistent with Zimmerman's account. If Zimmerman was lying, he was one lucky liar that all the other stuff lined up with his story. The lead investigator was very skeptical and tried hard to trip Zimmerman up, but ultimately believed Zimmerman. Zimmerman was over joyed when he was told it might have been captured on video.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

Age old custom that the victim of any assault has a duty to retreat!!!!!

 

[jon_mx]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

Age old custom that the victim of any assault has a duty to retreat!!!!!

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

Age old custom that the victim of any assault has a duty to retreat!!!!!

especially when you are pinned to the ground.

 

[cstu]

So, question to those that are happy with them finding him not guilty. Would you feel the same way if this were a child molestation case?

 

[The Commish]

This should keep thread going another 100 pages

So emotionally,she found ZImmerman guilty. But logically, she found him not guilty. Glad logic prevailed.

I think it'd be more accurate to say that she found him guilty morally, but innocent legally.

Pretty much....that won't go over well here though.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

So, question to those that are happy with them finding him not guilty. Would you feel the same way if this were a child molestation case?

But it wasn't. How about if it was your wife getting molested, should she just lay back and enjoy it or should she defend herself?

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Yes but the question really should be if it was a member of YOUR family, how many times would be okay before they defend themselves.

Seriously dude think before you post.

 

[renesauz]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

I saw the pics of the back of his head.....so yes, I absolutely believe it.

Not sure what people are expecting...it's not like he wasn't struggling, like he just relaxed and let TM slam him as hard as possible.

Would it have taken a fractured skull and 20 stitches to prove it to you? He would have had to be close to unconscious already for that to happen. Doesn't make the situation any less dangerous.

 

[Popinski]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

What do you believe caused the injuries to his head?

I'm just saying his injuries are not consistent with what he said happened. Thus, I believe his injuries are related to a regular old fistfight. He had a few scratches on the back of his head.

All the evidence matches up with his head hitting the concrete. If you can come up with a different scenario that matches all of the evidence we know about, you'd be one step ahead of the prosecutors of this case.Not sure why you don't believe it.

He didn't even need stitches man. Do you really believe that if his head was banged into the concrete that is the only extent of his injuries? That should have cracked his skull or at least needing stitches or probably staples. He also would have most likely lost consciousness. He got into a fight with a kid 50 lbs lighter than him and shot and killed him. I dont believe he was ever in fear for his life. At least the evidence didnt show me that he should have been. But whatever, it is what it is.

On what basis should banging someone's head onto concrete automatically necessitate a skull fracture or staples? Factors like the strength of the person doing it, person resisting, distance of the head from the concrete, etc. play far too big a role to make blind statements like that.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

It's a good thing we have so many board certified doctors checking in letting us know GZ's injuries were not life threatening but just regular 'ole fist fight injuries

 

[jonessed]

The "I'm devastated I voted to acquit a guilty murderer" schtick is priceless. She must have an agent working these deals.

 

[tdoss]

It's a good thing we have so many board certified doctors checking in letting us know GZ's injuries were not life threatening but just regular 'ole fist fight injuries

Creepy cracka punk@zzes should stay in their cars. Black folks cannot be held responsible if said cracka @zz cannot take beatin' like a man.

 

[Rayderr]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

I don;'t know why you want to go back to this since it's probably covered for about 50+ pages in this thread. But I believe that his head hitting the concrete was the result of it snapping back as Martin was grounding and pounding him. Given the emotional state ZImmerman was in (fear) It probably felt like he was getting his head slammed in and probably seemed to him a lot worse, a lot more, and a lot longer than it actually was. Victims of assault tend not to break out a stop watch and time it, keep a punch count and pay attention to fine details.

 

[Johnnymac]

Does anyone really believe GZ had his head banged onto the concrete sidewalk 4-6 times or whatever he said it was? I sure as hell don't.

Yes but the question really should be if it was a member of YOUR family, how many times would be okay before they defend themselves.

Seriously dude think before you post.

When did I say GZ couldnt defend himself? He's got two fists last time I checked. What if that was your kid he shot and killed? See, I do think....I just dont think like you.

 

[Kirby]

It's pretty scary that people that aint real bright are put on a jury and put in charge of a person's freedom.

 

[jon_mx]

the number of time Martin banged someone's head against concrete >>> the number of times I have banged someone's head against concrete.

 

[Johnnymac]

It's a good thing we have so many board certified doctors checking in letting us know GZ's injuries were not life threatening but just regular 'ole fist fight injuries

See, I'm actually going by the evidence. His head injuries were minor. I'm sorry if you dont understand that.

 

[jon_mx]

It's a good thing we have so many board certified doctors checking in letting us know GZ's injuries were not life threatening but just regular 'ole fist fight injuries

See, I'm actually going by the evidence. His head injuries were minor. I'm sorry if you dont understand that.

I doubt the evidence sways you much anyways. I posted many reasons why Zimmerman's story was credible and you ignored it. You are looking for excuses not to believe him.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

It's a good thing we have so many board certified doctors checking in letting us know GZ's injuries were not life threatening but just regular 'ole fist fight injuries

See, I'm actually going by the evidence. His head injuries were minor. I'm sorry if you dont understand that.

How many blows to the back of your head would you like someone to hit against a concrete pathway before you'd be concerned about receiving great bodily harm, being knocked unconscious, or being killed?It's idiots like you that think the end justifies the means and if GZ didn't die, then hey what do you know, he must have been wrong fearing for his life or great bodily harm since he survived the battery.

 

[Johnnymac]

It's a good thing we have so many board certified doctors checking in letting us know GZ's injuries were not life threatening but just regular 'ole fist fight injuries

See, I'm actually going by the evidence. His head injuries were minor. I'm sorry if you dont understand that.

How many blows to the back of your head would you like someone to hit against a concrete pathway before you'd be concerned about receiving great bodily harm, being knocked unconscious, or being killed?It's idiots like you that think the end justifies the means and if GZ didn't die, then hey what do you know, he must have been wrong fearing for his life or great bodily harm since he survived the battery.

Im not going to get into a message board fight with you. He couldnt fight back? Then he should have stayed in his car and waited for the cops.

 

[jon_mx]

It's a good thing we have so many board certified doctors checking in letting us know GZ's injuries were not life threatening but just regular 'ole fist fight injuries

See, I'm actually going by the evidence. His head injuries were minor. I'm sorry if you dont understand that.

How many blows to the back of your head would you like someone to hit against a concrete pathway before you'd be concerned about receiving great bodily harm, being knocked unconscious, or being killed?It's idiots like you that think the end justifies the means and if GZ didn't die, then hey what do you know, he must have been wrong fearing for his life or great bodily harm since he survived the battery.

Im not going to get into a message board fight with you. He couldnt fight back? Then he should have stayed in his car and waited for the cops.

it is not a crime to get out of ones car. it is a crime a crime to assault someone

 

[Rayderr]

It's a good thing we have so many board certified doctors checking in letting us know GZ's injuries were not life threatening but just regular 'ole fist fight injuries

See, I'm actually going by the evidence. His head injuries were minor. I'm sorry if you dont understand that.

How many blows to the back of your head would you like someone to hit against a concrete pathway before you'd be concerned about receiving great bodily harm, being knocked unconscious, or being killed?It's idiots like you that think the end justifies the means and if GZ didn't die, then hey what do you know, he must have been wrong fearing for his life or great bodily harm since he survived the battery.

Im not going to get into a message board fight with you. He couldnt fight back? Then he should have stayed in his car and waited for the cops.

What was the line his instructor used? He didn't want George shadowboxing for fear that the shadow would win? Yeah, sounds like a guy who could capably fight back.

 

[3C's]

holy crap, arguing the same #### again? let it go!

 

[Todd Andrews]

Why do bigots love George Zimmerman?

 

[Hang 10]

holy crap, arguing the same #### again? let it go!

I'm pretty sure we're only a couple pages away from everyone agreeing.

 

[Rayderr]

holy crap, arguing the same #### again? let it go!

But this is going to be the argument that settles it all!!!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

the number of time Martin banged someone's head against concrete >>> the number of times I have banged someone's head against concrete.

and yet you both lived......amazing

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

So by this logic anyone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia would be justified if they killed someone.

 

[Rayderr]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

So by this logic anyone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia would be justified if they killed someone.

Not guilty by reason of insanity.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

So by this logic anyone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia would be justified if they killed someone.

Not guilty by reason of insanity.

So just like Zimmerman they will go free to kill again...perfect

 

[ATC1]

The juror is right in that GZ may be questioning himself on his decision that night for the rest of his life. He took a life and if he believes in God he will have to answer for that night. I think the statement that he "got away with Murder". is just the commonly heard phrase though. If GZ did not fear for his life or great bodily harm, he got away with manslaughter.

 

[3C's]

holy crap, arguing the same #### again? let it go!

But this is going to be the argument that settles it all!!!

I'm sure. Now lets throw juror B29 into the mix. GUILTY!

 

[ATC1]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

So by this logic anyone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia would be justified if they killed someone.

Not guilty by reason of insanity.

So just like Zimmerman they will go free to kill again...perfect

Link?

 

[3C's]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-rdmG0k8S8k&t=80

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

So by this logic anyone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia would be justified if they killed someone.

Not guilty by reason of insanity.

So just like Zimmerman they will go free to kill again...perfect

Link?

Give it time

 

[Rayderr]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

So by this logic anyone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia would be justified if they killed someone.

Not guilty by reason of insanity.

So just like Zimmerman they will go free to kill again...perfect

Link?

Give it time

ok, how about now?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

The "I'm devastated I voted to acquit a guilty murderer" schtick is priceless. She must have an agent working these deals.

Jesus, you're the worst.

 

[3C's]

The "I'm devastated I voted to acquit a guilty murderer" schtick is priceless. She must have an agent working these deals.

Jesus, you're the worst.

And that would be saying a lot.

 

[jon_mx]

The "I'm devastated I voted to acquit a guilty murderer" schtick is priceless. She must have an agent working these deals.

Jesus, you're the worst.

Not even the worst on this page.

 

[3C's]

The "I'm devastated I voted to acquit a guilty murderer" schtick is priceless. She must have an agent working these deals.

Jesus, you're the worst.

Not even the worst on this page.

Keep trying, you'll get there.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

So by this logic anyone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia would be justified if they killed someone.

Not guilty by reason of insanity.

So just like Zimmerman they will go free to kill again...perfect

Link?

Give it time

ok, how about now?

a little longer...when he gets his gun , cape and mask back and hes out hunting would be criminals again.

 

[Hang 10]

Apparently after 500 pages some of our players still haven't accepted the fact that a person doesn't have to actually suffer great bodily harm first. It is the belief that you are in danger of suffering great bodily harm that triggers the right to self-defense.

So by this logic anyone who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia would be justified if they killed someone.

Not guilty by reason of insanity.

So just like Zimmerman they will go free to kill again...perfect

Or you could say that Zimmerman will go free to save more lives. Like he already has.

 

[jon_mx]

The "I'm devastated I voted to acquit a guilty murderer" schtick is priceless. She must have an agent working these deals.

Jesus, you're the worst.

Not even the worst on this page.

Keep trying, you'll get there.

I won't even attempt to catch up with Todd or BK.