Fluoride in City/Public Water. Thoughts? (2 Viewers)

[D-Day]

Do people still drink tap water?

Depends on where you live. I'm fortunate now to live in an area where the tap water tastes good and is healthy. We have a nice water table. I didn't drink it in the area I lived before.

Yep. Tap water in some parts of the country is pretty gnarly.

I don't travel for work as much of some of the FFA'ers, but I get out of state about once a month and I am super happy that, when I stay at Marriott properties, that being in their "Elite" program means I get a couple of free bottles of water at check-in. I hate having to even use a little bit to take my nightly medications with nasty hotel tap water in most locations.

Our local tap water here in SoCal is pretty bad. I've become a water snob and don't really even like the "filtered" water that comes out of my fridge.

I try not to drink out of those low grade plastic bottles (another thing to be paranoid about ) but when I am in certain parts of the country (looking at you Texas) the water is just gross and will hoard those bottles for the stay,

Nanoplastics scare me. They are finding them in testicles now.

Sadly, people looking for nanoplastics in my testicles is the only sex it get nowadays.

 

[SofaKings]

A) I will watch Strangelove tonight again and B) lets get all up in arms over fluoride because of conspiracy theorists but not about lead in water, could it be the socioeconomic group affected by leaded water in those areas?

 

[coyote5]

I truly didn't know that fluoride in the water was actual political. Can I dare ask why?

It’s in the same category as vaccines, flat earth, whatever. People see something on social media or hear it on Joe Rogan and suddenly they know better than the leagues of scientists and studies that say/show otherwise.

Partially true but…

Most people who listen to ROGAN!!!!! don’t hear it from ROGAN!!!!! , they hear it from professionals that go on the Joe ROGAN!!!!! show.

Your point would have full merit if there hasnt been countless examples of our scientists and medical professionals being paid off to push products.

People no longer blindly trust main stream scientists/doctors/media/politicians because those groups have done it to themselves, not anyone else’s fault.


ETA - The irony of blaming Joe Rogan - a complete media spin- isn’t lost on you?

Welcome to the boards Joe!

 

[jhib]

I truly didn't know that fluoride in the water was actual political. Can I dare ask why?

One group wants to discuss weather or not fluoride in the water is beneficial or not.

The other group wants to take and use that argument, call people conspiracy theorists and call them stupid.

Well that's certainly a biased take on the issue - one side sounding all intellectually and ideologically pure while the other is just a bunch of meanies or something.

I mean, the big reason it's in the political news lately is that a political figure who may play a prominent role in the nation's public health policy has repeatedly made misleading and scientifically unsound comments on the health effects of the fluoridation program.

 

[urbanhack]

Do people still drink tap water?

Absolutely all I drink. Why on earth would I not?

I'm not sure if this spills over to your neck of the woods, but here's the source of PDX's tap water which I think is fantastic.

About the Bull Run Watershed

Located less than thirty miles east of Portland, the Bull Run Watershed's unique geography and rich history make it an iconic part of the story of our region. It serves as the primary drinking water supply for nearly one million people in the Portland metro area.

www.portland.gov

 

[the moops]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz. I remember reading an article a while back that said that more than 1/4 of bottled water is in fact just tap water

 

[BlackCrowes]

Do people still drink tap water?

amazingly, some get their tap water out of plastic bottle

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The fact we're turning our back on pretty much everything we learned and accomplished in the first 50-60 years of the 20th century doesn't bode well for the remaining 75 years of the 21st. The 20th century was an absolute ***** for quite a while.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Isn't flouride in water and whether or not it's included handled as a local issue? I haven't been following it closely but I'm not sure why the federal views of the new administration would matter either way, unless they're considering banning it federally?

We don't have flouride here in Utah so every time we go to the dentist we have to pay $20 extra to get this really gross stuff that sits on your teeth all day and makes everything taste like medicinal vomit. It sucks but gets the job done. But I guess the issue is in that case many people (especially poorer people) wouldn't pony up for it.

 

[General Malaise]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz. I remember reading an article a while back that said that more than 1/4 of bottled water is in fact just tap water

It is and the plastics leaching into the water ain't too bueno either.

 

[urbanhack]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz. I remember reading an article a while back that said that more than 1/4 of bottled water is in fact just tap water

It is and the plastics leaching into the water ain't too bueno either.

It's literally destroying the planet.

 

[Scoresman]

I truly didn't know that fluoride in the water was actual political. Can I dare ask why?

It’s in the same category as vaccines, flat earth, whatever. People see something on social media or hear it on Joe Rogan and suddenly they know better than the leagues of scientists and studies that say/show otherwise.

Partially true but…

Most people who listen to ROGAN!!!!! don’t hear it from ROGAN!!!!! , they hear it from professionals that go on the Joe ROGAN!!!!! show.

Your point would have full merit if there hasnt been countless examples of our scientists and medical professionals being paid off to push products.

People no longer blindly trust main stream scientists/doctors/media/politicians because those groups have done it to themselves, not anyone else’s fault.


ETA - The irony of blaming Joe Rogan - a complete media spin- isn’t lost on you?

I've seen a few professionals I respect and follow go on Joe Rogan, but I don't think any of them are spouting the fluoride is not safe nonsense or other such things. There are kooky people in science, practicing bad science just like there are in any profession. The problem is, people seem to be willing to listen to these people and then blast the entire scientific community for it.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I truly didn't know that fluoride in the water was actual political. Can I dare ask why?

It’s in the same category as vaccines, flat earth, whatever. People see something on social media or hear it on Joe Rogan and suddenly they know better than the leagues of scientists and studies that say/show otherwise.

Partially true but…

Most people who listen to ROGAN!!!!! don’t hear it from ROGAN!!!!! , they hear it from professionals that go on the Joe ROGAN!!!!! show.

Your point would have full merit if there hasnt been countless examples of our scientists and medical professionals being paid off to push products.

People no longer blindly trust main stream scientists/doctors/media/politicians because those groups have done it to themselves, not anyone else’s fault.


ETA - The irony of blaming Joe Rogan - a complete media spin- isn’t lost on you?

I've seen a few professionals I respect and follow go on Joe Rogan, but I don't think any of them are spouting the fluoride is not safe nonsense or other such things. There are kooky people in science, practicing bad science just like there are in any profession. The problem is, people seem to be willing to listen to these people and then blast the entire scientific community for it.

Much like traditional newsprint media, Social media is now the most influential, irresponsible and prevalent source of propaganda in both directions.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I truly didn't know that fluoride in the water was actual political. Can I dare ask why?

One group wants to discuss weather or not fluoride in the water is beneficial or not.

The other group wants to take and use that argument, call people conspiracy theorists and call them stupid.

Well that's certainly a biased take on the issue - one side sounding all intellectually and ideologically pure while the other is just a bunch of meanies or something.

I mean, the big reason it's in the political news lately is that a political figure who may play a prominent role in the nation's public health policy has repeatedly made misleading and scientifically unsound comments on the health effects of the fluoridation program.

If biased means in plain English, what I believe to be true, then sure.

Group A: I think this stuff should be looked into and double checked to be sure it’s true. This thought process is exacerbated by the events of the past few years where the mass public was lied to repeatedly. That awakened a populace to start to ask questions about what’s in their food and water.

If the science and results hold true, wonderful! A healthy and reassured populace is a good thing!

Group B: I blindly trust the same people who just went along with what they were told to do and say. Merely questioning the science and medical community is hearsay, conspiracy and anyone who does such should be ridiculed.

 

[General Malaise]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz. I remember reading an article a while back that said that more than 1/4 of bottled water is in fact just tap water

It is and the plastics leaching into the water ain't too bueno either.

It's literally destroying the planet.

I know, GB. I know.

 

[SFBayDuck]

If the science and results hold true, wonderful! A healthy and reassured populace is a good thing!

I was with you until this part. Nothing wrong with skepticism, and I’d agree that the last few years has shined a light on that. But then when the science “holds true” many simply refuse to acknowledge it. When people repeatedly parrot completely debunked studies or narratives, that’s even worse than those that just believe everything they are told.

Back to the topic, in communities with affordable access to dental care and preventative maintenance, fluoride in the water might not be necessary anymore. But unfortunately that doesn’t describe large swaths of our country.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

If the science and results hold true, wonderful! A healthy and reassured populace is a good thing!

I was with you until this part. Nothing wrong with skepticism, and I’d agree that the last few years has shined a light on that. But then when the science “holds true” many simply refuse to acknowledge it. When people repeatedly parrot completely debunked studies or narratives, that’s even worse than those that just believe everything they are told.

Back to the topic, in communities with affordable access to dental care and preventative maintenance, fluoride in the water might not be necessary anymore. But unfortunately that doesn’t describe large swaths of our country.

It is super annoying when you show people facts and they ignore them. Agreed. Parroting untrue statements and events, also very bad.

On your second paragraph-I feel like there is plenty of money to address this issue that is currently being used for less benevolent reasons.

 

[steelerfan1]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz.

some people from Flint may disagree, but probably mostly true. (hopefully)

 

[djmich]

Does anyone know if there are reliable long term test vs control analysis of the effects of fluoridation in water? Would be interested if you've seen any, thx.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Plastics in our infants, banned substances in our food supply, only one of two countries that allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise on TV/media, and high utilities have most people rightfully concerned.

Wondering WTF is in our drinking and bathing water seams like a reasonable thing to at least question and is hardly anything close to conspiracy or lunacy.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Does anyone know if there are reliable long term test vs control analysis of the effects of fluoridation in water? Would be interested if you've seen any, thx.

Edgar, D.D.S., president of the American Dental Association. “Even in an era with widespread availability of fluoride from various sources, other studies show that community water fluoridation prevents at least 25% of tooth decay in children and adults throughout their life span.

Note: this next one is “excessive exposure” - looking for one that has some info on accurate long term studies when exposed to acceptable levels.

Long-term exposure to excessive fluoride in water can lead to dental fluorosis (white spots or staining on teeth) in children with developing teeth, and in adults, skeletal fluorosis, a condition where fluoride accumulates in bones causing joint pain, stiffness, and potential bone weakness or fractures, particularly in older individuals; both conditions are primarily a result of consuming water with fluoride levels significantly above recommended standards.


Key points about long-term fluoride exposure:

• • Dental fluorosis:
    This is the most common adverse effect from excess fluoride, appearing as white spots or discoloration on teeth, especially in children during tooth development.
    
    
  • Skeletal fluorosis:
    When high levels of fluoride are consumed over a long period, it can accumulate in bones, leading to bone stiffness, joint pain, and increased fracture risk.
    
    
  • Potential concerns:
    While research is ongoing, some studies have raised concerns about possible links between high fluoride intake and cognitive issues, particularly in children.
    

Important factors to consider:

• • Recommended levels:
    Public health agencies set safe fluoride levels in drinking water to prevent tooth decay while minimizing the risk of adverse effects.
    
    
  • Individual variations:
    Susceptibility to fluoride-related issues can vary depending on factors like age, diet, and genetics

A lot more info here too

Office of Dietary Supplements - Fluoride

ods.od.nih.gov

 

[nirad3]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz. I remember reading an article a while back that said that more than 1/4 of bottled water is in fact just tap water

You know what Evian spelled backwards is?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Another good study by the American Cancer Society

Water Fluoridation and Cancer Risk

Many decades after fluoride was first added to drinking water in parts of the US, there’s still controversy around possible health effects. Learn more here..

amp.cancer.org

 

[the moops]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz.

some people from Flint may disagree, but probably mostly true. (hopefully)

There is no probably, mostly, or hopefully needed. Yes Flint was a disaster but it is the way extreme outlier. Fiji water had to recall 1.9 million bottles this past March yet we don’t use that example for reasons to not trust bottled water.

 

[djmich]

Does anyone know if there are reliable long term test vs control analysis of the effects of fluoridation in water? Would be interested if you've seen any, thx.

Edgar, D.D.S., president of the American Dental Association. “Even in an era with widespread availability of fluoride from various sources, other studies show that community water fluoridation prevents at least 25% of tooth decay in children and adults throughout their life span.

Note: this next one is “excessive exposure” - looking for one that has some info on accurate long term studies when exposed to acceptable levels.

Long-term exposure to excessive fluoride in water can lead to dental fluorosis (white spots or staining on teeth) in children with developing teeth, and in adults, skeletal fluorosis, a condition where fluoride accumulates in bones causing joint pain, stiffness, and potential bone weakness or fractures, particularly in older individuals; both conditions are primarily a result of consuming water with fluoride levels significantly above recommended standards.


Key points about long-term fluoride exposure:

• • Dental fluorosis:
    This is the most common adverse effect from excess fluoride, appearing as white spots or discoloration on teeth, especially in children during tooth development.
    
    
  • Skeletal fluorosis:
    When high levels of fluoride are consumed over a long period, it can accumulate in bones, leading to bone stiffness, joint pain, and increased fracture risk.
    
    
  • Potential concerns:
    While research is ongoing, some studies have raised concerns about possible links between high fluoride intake and cognitive issues, particularly in children.

Important factors to consider:

• • Recommended levels:
    Public health agencies set safe fluoride levels in drinking water to prevent tooth decay while minimizing the risk of adverse effects.
    
    
  • Individual variations:
    Susceptibility to fluoride-related issues can vary depending on factors like age, diet, and genetics

A lot more info here too

Office of Dietary Supplements - Fluoride

ods.od.nih.gov

Thanks. I did like five minutes of research and saw similar data points, but honestly all of these look like they’re framed in the case where the fluoride ingestion is beyond the recommended levels, which doesn’t really help understand what the impacts are over the long-term of taking it at the recommended levels

 

[heckmanm]

@GeneralJackD.Ripper

 

[djmich]

Does anyone know if there are reliable long term test vs control analysis of the effects of fluoridation in water? Would be interested if you've seen any, thx.

Edgar, D.D.S., president of the American Dental Association. “Even in an era with widespread availability of fluoride from various sources, other studies show that community water fluoridation prevents at least 25% of tooth decay in children and adults throughout their life span.

Note: this next one is “excessive exposure” - looking for one that has some info on accurate long term studies when exposed to acceptable levels.

Long-term exposure to excessive fluoride in water can lead to dental fluorosis (white spots or staining on teeth) in children with developing teeth, and in adults, skeletal fluorosis, a condition where fluoride accumulates in bones causing joint pain, stiffness, and potential bone weakness or fractures, particularly in older individuals; both conditions are primarily a result of consuming water with fluoride levels significantly above recommended standards.


Key points about long-term fluoride exposure:

• • Dental fluorosis:
    This is the most common adverse effect from excess fluoride, appearing as white spots or discoloration on teeth, especially in children during tooth development.
    
    
  • Skeletal fluorosis:
    When high levels of fluoride are consumed over a long period, it can accumulate in bones, leading to bone stiffness, joint pain, and increased fracture risk.
    
    
  • Potential concerns:
    While research is ongoing, some studies have raised concerns about possible links between high fluoride intake and cognitive issues, particularly in children.

Important factors to consider:

• • Recommended levels:
    Public health agencies set safe fluoride levels in drinking water to prevent tooth decay while minimizing the risk of adverse effects.
    
    
  • Individual variations:
    Susceptibility to fluoride-related issues can vary depending on factors like age, diet, and genetics

A lot more info here too

Office of Dietary Supplements - Fluoride

ods.od.nih.gov

Thanks. I did like five minutes of research and saw similar data points, but honestly all of these look like they’re framed in the case where the fluoride ingestion is beyond the recommended levels, which doesn’t really help understand what the impacts are over the long-term of taking it at the recommended levels

From your link, the bolded here is the part that imo is unacceptable.

In the United Kingdom, the National Health Service (NHS) Centre for Reviews and Dissemination, University of York, published a systematic review of water fluoridation in the year 2000. After searching through the medical literature, they included 26 studies in their analysis, all of which were considered to be of “low” to “moderate” quality. They concluded, “Overall, no clear association between water fluoridation and incidence or mortality of bone cancers, thyroid cancer, or all cancers was found.” However, they also noted, “Given the level of interest surrounding the issue of public water fluoridation, it is surprising to find that little high quality research has been undertaken.”

 

[TripItUp]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz. I remember reading an article a while back that said that more than 1/4 of bottled water is in fact just tap water

A) the pipes that carry the water are not closely montiored in many municipalities. And tap water (soft or hard) greatly varies by region.

And

B) Not all bottled water is created equal, Dasani is not the same as FIJI for example. The key to bottled water is picking the right brands.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz. I remember reading an article a while back that said that more than 1/4 of bottled water is in fact just tap water

A) the pipes that carry the water are not closely montiored in many municipalities. And water (soft or hard) for example greatly varies by region.

And

B) Not all bottled water is created equal, Dasani is not the same as FIJI for example. The key to bottled water is picking the right brands.

What are a few of the better brands for some quality H2O?

 

[TripItUp]

What are a few of the better brands?

Acqua Panna
Crystal Geyster

Are my go-tos.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

We have been struggling to figure out a resolution for drinking water at our house. Currently, we get the 5 gallon jugs from Deer Park scooped them up and put them inside so they’re not sitting out in the sun all day, but God knows where they’ve been prior to that.

Even if they aren’t exposed to the sun, I’d like to get away from drinking water that’s been in plastic.

I keep telling myself I’m going to install a water filtration system at the house, but it involves tearing up my laundry room and cutting into the main water supply. It’s not that I can’t do the job. It’s just how quickly I’ll need to have the laundry room back up and running and I don’t wanna hear any bitching after two or three days.

 

[TripItUp]

Rolling the dice with city tap water. Particularly in cities with old infrastructure. Rural tap water can be amazing depending on the source and infrastructure.

I've always lived in cities (SF/Phoenix/Chicago/NY/SD etc.) As a result, bottled spring water for me.

Currently live in SD where we have an expensive filtration/softening system at our home for most of our water use, but we don't drink it.

 

[TripItUp]

Dasani and other brands of bottled water are pretty much the same as tap water although they may not go through city infrastructure so maybe there is an argument there...I don't drink either. Dasani is terrible as far as I'm concerned and it's all over the place so people must like it.

 

[urbanhack]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz.

some people from Flint may disagree, but probably mostly true. (hopefully)

There is no probably, mostly, or hopefully needed. Yes Flint was a disaster but it is the way extreme outlier. Fiji water had to recall 1.9 million bottles this past March yet we don’t use that example for reasons to not trust bottled water.

It still is...

And look no further than Nestle to see how they are destroying the environment and stealing public water for their own bottled water.

 

[urbanhack]

Dasani and other brands of bottled water are pretty much the same as tap water although they may not go through city infrastructure so maybe there is an argument there...I don't drink either. Dasani is terrible as far as I'm concerned and it's all over the place so people must like it.

I thought Dasani was started by Coke to bottle excess purified water they used to make sodas. I could be wrong, but I thought I remember that from years ago.

 

[the moops]

Not all bottled water is created equal, Dasani is not the same as FIJI for example. The key to bottled water is picking the right brands.

Indeed. However Fiji had the biggest recall in history I believe so not sure they are a good choice.

 

[djmich]

We have been struggling to figure out a resolution for drinking water at our house. Currently, we get the 5 gallon jugs from Deer Park scooped them up and put them inside so they’re not sitting out in the sun all day, but God knows where they’ve been prior to that.

Even if they aren’t exposed to the sun, I’d like to get away from drinking water that’s been in plastic.

I keep telling myself I’m going to install a water filtration system at the house, but it involves tearing up my laundry room and cutting into the main water supply. It’s not that I can’t do the job. It’s just how quickly I’ll need to have the laundry room back up and running and I don’t wanna hear any bitching after two or three days.

Had water filtration system at my prior house, for us install wasn't that bad, was great having it. Personally, I'd drink unfiltered tap before anything bottled in plastic.

 

[E Street Brat]

Do people still drink tap water?

Depends on where you live. I'm fortunate now to live in an area where the tap water tastes good and is healthy. We have a nice water table. I didn't drink it in the area I lived before.

Yep. Tap water in some parts of the country is pretty gnarly.

I don't travel for work as much of some of the FFA'ers, but I get out of state about once a month and I am super happy that, when I stay at Marriott properties, that being in their "Elite" program means I get a couple of free bottles of water at check-in. I hate having to even use a little bit to take my nightly medications with nasty hotel tap water in most locations.

Our local tap water here in SoCal is pretty bad. I've become a water snob and don't really even like the "filtered" water that comes out of my fridge.

I try not to drink out of those low grade plastic bottles (another thing to be paranoid about ) but when I am in certain parts of the country (looking at you Texas) the water is just gross and will hoard those bottles for the stay,

Nanoplastics scare me. They are finding them in testicles now.

Given the choice.
I'd rather have fluoride in my water then testicles.

 

[steelerfan1]

I've never drank tap water. Don't trust it.

Bottled spring water for all of my adult life. And my teeth are great because I take care of them.

You should. Tap water is filtered and regulated and tested and all that jazz.

some people from Flint may disagree, but probably mostly true. (hopefully)

There is no probably, mostly, or hopefully needed. Yes Flint was a disaster but it is the way extreme outlier. Fiji water had to recall 1.9 million bottles this past March yet we don’t use that example for reasons to not trust bottled water.

I’m cynical with a lot of things. It’s a curse.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Do people still drink tap water?

Depends on where you live. I'm fortunate now to live in an area where the tap water tastes good and is healthy. We have a nice water table. I didn't drink it in the area I lived before.

Yep. Tap water in some parts of the country is pretty gnarly.

I don't travel for work as much of some of the FFA'ers, but I get out of state about once a month and I am super happy that, when I stay at Marriott properties, that being in their "Elite" program means I get a couple of free bottles of water at check-in. I hate having to even use a little bit to take my nightly medications with nasty hotel tap water in most locations.

Our local tap water here in SoCal is pretty bad. I've become a water snob and don't really even like the "filtered" water that comes out of my fridge.

I try not to drink out of those low grade plastic bottles (another thing to be paranoid about ) but when I am in certain parts of the country (looking at you Texas) the water is just gross and will hoard those bottles for the stay,

Nanoplastics scare me. They are finding them in testicles now.

Given the choice.
I'd rather have fluoride in my water then testicles.

NTTAWWT

 

[the moops]

I'd rather have fluoride in my water then testicles.

I think that is the correct order