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Do You Believe That The Modern "Tipping" Culture Has Gone Completely Out Of Control? (1/30) (1 Viewer)

What about tow truck drivers?

I had a car towed about 80 miles yesterday via AAA roadside. I don't know what the protocol is for tow truck drivers, or if one even exists. So I gave him a $20. He was appreciative, but didn't seem to be surprised to be getting it.
I’ve always given a 20 every time
maybe save the 20s and start a new car fund???
most recent time was for my sister’s Range Rover she leaves in storage. Stupid thing had a dead battery That required the energy of a solar flare to get started. Before that, twice in 20 years.
 
Would you do the same at McDonalds or Arbys?
If I’m honest, yes. If they asked. 25+ years of industry guilt is hard to overcome.

OK, but I don`t think they do that there. Have not been there is so long.
They don’t. I thought your question was a hypothetical.

It was, but a sub shop is the same thing.

I got a slice of pizza for 5 bucks the other day, the kid grabbed it and handed it to me, then turns the screen around with the tip%. Is that worthy of a tip?
 
Picked up a pizza at a nearby place. You have to order online in advance and then can pick it up. You have to enter your credit card on the site, but they still make you sign when you pick it up.

Get there to get my pizza and the guy tells me that their printer isn't working so they can't print a receipt for me to sign. He tells me I can just take the pizza and it will still batch out at close of day.

I am backing into the exit door to open it since I have both hands on my pizza and the guy shouts at me "wait sir, did you want to leave a tip?"
Lol. A few years ago i was picking up a to-go order and there were 3-4 teenagers at the checkout counter. I handed my card to the girl processing the payment and she asked if I wanted to include a tip. I said, No, just the total. What was that, she asked. Just the total, I replied. How much would you like to add, she asked, while the others watched. It seemed like she was showing off/teaching them how to pressure people into tipping. I could have clarified my No but I was high and I'm more prone to confrontation when I'm high. "What exactly are you asking me?" I said. Would you like to add a tip, she said, less confidently. "No. But I would like to pay for the food that I'm picking up." Then I wrote a negative review about the aggressive panhandler that I encountered at the place.

We need more jerks like me to stamp out this cancer upon society. But I think it's a losing battle.
 
Seems like a weird question but here goes.
We’re having our bathroom remodeled. Total cost including parts etc will be about $40k. The dude doing it is doing great, he owns and runs his own business.
Is this something we’re supposed to tip?
 
Seems like a weird question but here goes.
We’re having our bathroom remodeled. Total cost including parts etc will be about $40k. The dude doing it is doing great, he owns and runs his own business.
Is this something we’re supposed to tip?

Absolutely not. The proprietor is directly selling his labor at a rate of his choosing and is making some markup on the parts. He is not disadvantaged by an overall employment system the way restaurant employees making sub-minimum wage are.
 
Seems like a weird question but here goes.
We’re having our bathroom remodeled. Total cost including parts etc will be about $40k. The dude doing it is doing great, he owns and runs his own business.
Is this something we’re supposed to tip?
Please don't take this as a personal attack because I do not mean it as one in any way. But I want to say, the fact you even felt the need to ask this question does indeed go to show just how out of control the tipping culture has become.
 
I asked my teenage daughter this weekend about tipping. She’s 18 and has worked since she’s 14. She bussed for a year. Past 2.5 years as a server at a retirement home where she’s paid well but they don’t do tips. To my surprise she thinks the whole things is crazy. She won’t tip people unless she’s getting table service. She really hates the screens and the pressure, but she presses zero anyway. Proudest parent moment of my life.
 
General store type place with a deli near me will flip the tablet around for a tip when you walk in and grab a couple beers and some cheese from the cooler. It's out of control.
 
General store type place with a deli near me will flip the tablet around for a tip when you walk in and grab a couple beers and some cheese from the cooler. It's out of control.

wait, what? sounds intriguing but I'm not following - would you describe this a bit more?
They bill themselves as a "bakery and cafe" but it's a glorified bodega that sells pantry items, drinks, and also sandwiches/pastries from a deli area. Everything in the deli/pastry area is premade. There is no seating. There is no custom ordering. If I stroll in to buy 3 beers from the cooler they ask for a tip. If I buy a jar of mustard they ask for a tip. It's a bit much.
 
General store type place with a deli near me will flip the tablet around for a tip when you walk in and grab a couple beers and some cheese from the cooler. It's out of control.

wait, what? sounds intriguing but I'm not following - would you describe this a bit more?
They bill themselves as a "bakery and cafe" but it's a glorified bodega that sells pantry items, drinks, and also sandwiches/pastries from a deli area. Everything in the deli/pastry area is premade. There is no seating. There is no custom ordering. If I stroll in to buy 3 beers from the cooler they ask for a tip. If I buy a jar of mustard they ask for a tip. It's a bit much.

... yeah, i got a "TIP" for them: GFY
 
General store type place with a deli near me will flip the tablet around for a tip when you walk in and grab a couple beers and some cheese from the cooler. It's out of control.

wait, what? sounds intriguing but I'm not following - would you describe this a bit more?
They bill themselves as a "bakery and cafe" but it's a glorified bodega that sells pantry items, drinks, and also sandwiches/pastries from a deli area. Everything in the deli/pastry area is premade. There is no seating. There is no custom ordering. If I stroll in to buy 3 beers from the cooler they ask for a tip. If I buy a jar of mustard they ask for a tip. It's a bit much.

tks - yeah, very ungood

about a month ago my son picked up 4 pizzas with my credit card and I didn't think to give him tip instructions = I mean I just drove 20 minutes one way to get these things (I hate tipping on pick up orders - but I typically throw in 5% or so)

well he didn't feel comfortable tipping on my card without checking with me - so he didn't tip.

the girl at the counter made a big deal about it and yelled out real loud for all in the restaurant to hear - hey look! this cheapass didn't leave a tip!!

he was crushed. I felt so bad for him.
 
General store type place with a deli near me will flip the tablet around for a tip when you walk in and grab a couple beers and some cheese from the cooler. It's out of control.

wait, what? sounds intriguing but I'm not following - would you describe this a bit more?
They bill themselves as a "bakery and cafe" but it's a glorified bodega that sells pantry items, drinks, and also sandwiches/pastries from a deli area. Everything in the deli/pastry area is premade. There is no seating. There is no custom ordering. If I stroll in to buy 3 beers from the cooler they ask for a tip. If I buy a jar of mustard they ask for a tip. It's a bit much.

tks - yeah, very ungood

about a month ago my son picked up 4 pizzas with my credit card and I didn't think to give him tip instructions = I mean I just drove 20 minutes one way to get these things (I hate tipping on pick up orders - but I typically throw in 5% or so)

well he didn't feel comfortable tipping on my card without checking with me - so he didn't tip.

the girl at the counter made a big deal about it and yelled out real loud for all in the restaurant to hear - hey look! this cheapass didn't leave a tip!!

he was crushed. I felt so bad for him.

I would never buy pizza from that place again and let the owner/manager know why.
 
General store type place with a deli near me will flip the tablet around for a tip when you walk in and grab a couple beers and some cheese from the cooler. It's out of control.

wait, what? sounds intriguing but I'm not following - would you describe this a bit more?
They bill themselves as a "bakery and cafe" but it's a glorified bodega that sells pantry items, drinks, and also sandwiches/pastries from a deli area. Everything in the deli/pastry area is premade. There is no seating. There is no custom ordering. If I stroll in to buy 3 beers from the cooler they ask for a tip. If I buy a jar of mustard they ask for a tip. It's a bit much.

tks - yeah, very ungood

about a month ago my son picked up 4 pizzas with my credit card and I didn't think to give him tip instructions = I mean I just drove 20 minutes one way to get these things (I hate tipping on pick up orders - but I typically throw in 5% or so)

well he didn't feel comfortable tipping on my card without checking with me - so he didn't tip.

the girl at the counter made a big deal about it and yelled out real loud for all in the restaurant to hear - hey look! this cheapass didn't leave a tip!!

he was crushed. I felt so bad for him.

What? Never go there again
 
I hadn't been in a Panera since probably before Covid. I bought a loaf of French bread, I think it was $5.00 and the tip question comes up and I tapped no. But I can tell the young person behind the counter was super ticked off I didn't tip (the eyeroll and slamming the bread around was the giveaway) but I, mean, seriously? You really think you deserve a 20% tip for tapping three icon buttons on a screen, sidestepping a couple of steps to a basket full of bread, taking a loaf of bread out and putting it in a bag and handing it to me? That's tip worthy now? Isn't that just called doing your job?
 
I hadn't been in a Panera since probably before Covid. I bought a loaf of French bread, I think it was $5.00 and the tip question comes up and I tapped no. But I can tell the young person behind the counter was super ticked off I didn't tip (the eyeroll and slamming the bread around was the giveaway) but I, mean, seriously? You really think you deserve a 20% tip for tapping three icon buttons on a screen, sidestepping a couple of steps to a basket full of bread, taking a loaf of bread out and putting it in a bag and handing it to me? That's tip worthy now? Isn't that just called doing your job?

They're probably pissed in general because their wage is most likely low assuming tips and then of course they don't get tipped because people rightfully think it's ridiculous.

Tipping culture needs to just go away. Pay people a livable wage from the get go and have my final price be what it says on the menu. Places that are starting to just automatically add 20% tip to each bill are on the right track. Next step is to just jack up the prices 20% and just say tipping not necessary or expected.
 
General store type place with a deli near me will flip the tablet around for a tip when you walk in and grab a couple beers and some cheese from the cooler. It's out of control.

wait, what? sounds intriguing but I'm not following - would you describe this a bit more?
They bill themselves as a "bakery and cafe" but it's a glorified bodega that sells pantry items, drinks, and also sandwiches/pastries from a deli area. Everything in the deli/pastry area is premade. There is no seating. There is no custom ordering. If I stroll in to buy 3 beers from the cooler they ask for a tip. If I buy a jar of mustard they ask for a tip. It's a bit much.

tks - yeah, very ungood

about a month ago my son picked up 4 pizzas with my credit card and I didn't think to give him tip instructions = I mean I just drove 20 minutes one way to get these things (I hate tipping on pick up orders - but I typically throw in 5% or so)

well he didn't feel comfortable tipping on my card without checking with me - so he didn't tip.

the girl at the counter made a big deal about it and yelled out real loud for all in the restaurant to hear - hey look! this cheapass didn't leave a tip!!

he was crushed. I felt so bad for him.

I would never buy pizza from that place again and let the owner/manager know why.
Exactly. As a former bartender, you DO NOT call out the people who do not tip. It sucks when it happens, but it is part of the deal, and you just have to roll with it. The girl at the counter should be fired.
 
there is nothing worse in the tipping world, then a teen or young 20s punk kid delivering pizza to your door, $32 for two pies, you leave an $8-$10 tip, they don't say a freakin word, no thanks, nothing. so when I tip nowadays, I make damn sure to let the waitress or the bar staff or the pizza delivery n00b know that I tipped , yes I'm 100% expecting a 'thank you!' from the person. that's it, not too much to ask. tipped a 27 yr old kid once, he lives 2 doors down his dad owns the pizzeria. son delivered our goods and we tipped him well because we know his mom and dad.we gave him $12 on a $35 order ONLINE. there's a TIP button on the website so you can just give the money there instead of signing anything when the guy comes to the door. I get a txt from the business saying driver didn't get a tip. I was like, first of all who the EFF is this, please announce yourself when you cold txt someone. second, the dooshy smarmy kid's tip is on the @#$*@#% website I have the receipt for the payment you dope! third, you need to know the 'driver' was a total a$$hat , totally rude like he knew he got a tip and didn't have to say or do anything just hand the pizza to us and not even say hi or by or here you go. but he waited for a handout thats for sure. just a wanker. turns out his dad was who txt me ( I don't have his phone # I don't hang out with the guy I just talk to him every so often). So I told him your son is a total jerk and needs an attitude adjustment when he's working in the services industry. haven't ordered food from there again, haven't spoken to the dad or mom since. I ignore them any time I See them nowadays, I could not believe a business had the balls to txt me, or anyone else, about a tip. I take it that is definitely NOT the first time this has been done by them. what friggin business owver tries to scold a ptron of 7 years for what they perceived to be a missed tip? then he had to txt me to apologize 'oh I see the tip was put on the website, sorry about it'. too late, go walk in traffic on i-95 , you doosh.

tipping has become too much for me,I still do it, but I dont need a tip jar at a gas station when I bring the 12 pack of miller lite to the counter and you punched 1 number and I did the rest with the card payment system. as others have said when I buy two beers from your bar at a water park, for $9.50 each, I'm not tipping for the first 2 ( wife and I ) .maybe on the 3rd or 4th, but at the end of the day, a bar would buy you a drink back eventually, but a bar at a water park, baseball game hell no. even those portable popup bars at food truck nights here in florida. why am I tipping you? you handed me a beer can from a cooler and opened it. it's called doing your job, maybe your employer should pay you more. like restaurants should. go to Ireland you don't tip.ever. they laugh at you 'silly Americans with their tipping nonsense'. charge me $12 for the burger instead of $8. no waitress goes out of her way for a tip. they do their job. deliver food.bring drinks. bring forks if one is missing. total time spent with a waitress at your table is about 75 seconds. is it really worth 25% tip on the bill? nope. I have had this talk with friends who are bartenders, or bar managers. but if you ever watch a bartender from afar, with money left on the bar, they'll swipe it in a NY minute. gang of theives all of them. you go to the pool table leave , say, $15 near your beer and cell phone,within 15 mins that money is gone. 'oh I thought you left, heres your $15 is the reply from the bartender. in other words, you caught me, I tried to steal it but I counted it beforehand just so I know how much to 'refund' you when you catch me committing a crime. ask any bartender friend of yours about this, they ALL do it. and they do it more at 12a-4a when you're super drunk they just take advantage of people. thats why bar owners are married to the jonb, working 90 hours a week, having 15 cameras on the bar staff at ALL times.
 
Had an interesting encounter Sunday night. Ordered two pizzas at 8:30 using the Pizza Hut app on my phone. It showed I could get delivery in 30 minutes, so I opted for that (usually I just go get it myself, it's 3 miles away). I added $10 tip on the app. ~35 min later a DoorDash driver shows up (had the DD logo on the pizza bag and her hat). She politely asks me if I ordered over the phone or using the app, and if I added a tip to my order. I told her yes and that it was $10, and she explains that Pizza Hut often passes their delivery orders to DD, but that it never ever includes a tip, and the only way she gets the tip is to go back to the restaurant and demand to have the order pulled up after confirming face to face with the customer that #1 a tip was added, and #2 what the amount of it was. If she asks for the tip as she's leaving to make the delivery they just tell her "nope, no tip on this one". I told her that I added $10 meant for her and asked if I needed to call the restaurant to explain that and she said "no, I'll get it, we do this song and dance every single day" and then she thanked me and left.
 
Had an interesting encounter Sunday night. Ordered two pizzas at 8:30 using the Pizza Hut app on my phone. It showed I could get delivery in 30 minutes, so I opted for that (usually I just go get it myself, it's 3 miles away). I added $10 tip on the app. ~35 min later a DoorDash driver shows up (had the DD logo on the pizza bag and her hat). She politely asks me if I ordered over the phone or using the app, and if I added a tip to my order. I told her yes and that it was $10, and she explains that Pizza Hut often passes their delivery orders to DD, but that it never ever includes a tip, and the only way she gets the tip is to go back to the restaurant and demand to have the order pulled up after confirming face to face with the customer that #1 a tip was added, and #2 what the amount of it was. If she asks for the tip as she's leaving to make the delivery they just tell her "nope, no tip on this one". I told her that I added $10 meant for her and asked if I needed to call the restaurant to explain that and she said "no, I'll get it, we do this song and dance every single day" and then she thanked me and left.
Well that's the scummiest thing I ever heard of.
 
DoorDash's customer interface should be able submit a second transaction for a tip directly to their driver (like tipping an Uber driver). That's a huge copout on DoorDash's part to only tender one transaction (between DD and the food seller) and leave it up to the food seller and driver to work out tips.
 
DoorDash's customer interface should be able submit a second transaction for a tip directly to their driver (like tipping an Uber driver). That's a huge copout on DoorDash's part to only tender one transaction (between DD and the food seller) and leave it up to the food seller and driver to work out tips.
Yeah, what a hassle for the driver. Having to go back a second time and fight for their tip. I always wonder how many of the tips we leave actually go to the intended party.
 
DoorDash's customer interface should be able submit a second transaction for a tip directly to their driver (like tipping an Uber driver). That's a huge copout on DoorDash's part to only tender one transaction (between DD and the food seller) and leave it up to the food seller and driver to work out tips.
Yeah, what a hassle for the driver. Having to go back a second time and fight for their tip. I always wonder how many of the tips we leave actually go to the intended party.
Reminds me of another thing. At our local Mexican restaurant, behind the register they have one of those rubbermaid drawer cubby things, like for holding office supplies/pens/paperclips/etc., and each drawer has a different servers name on it. When you take your check up to the register to pay and you write in a tip on a credit card receipt, the cashier reads the tip amount, removes that amount of cash from the register, and puts it directly into the server's cubbyhole drawer. As each server leaves for the night they empty their cubbyhole. No idea if this is common, but it's the only place I've ever seen where the cubbies are in view of the customers. Gives you a little piece of mind when you know you had Maria, and you see cash go into a drawer with Maria's name on it.
 
Had an interesting encounter Sunday night. Ordered two pizzas at 8:30 using the Pizza Hut app on my phone. It showed I could get delivery in 30 minutes, so I opted for that (usually I just go get it myself, it's 3 miles away). I added $10 tip on the app. ~35 min later a DoorDash driver shows up (had the DD logo on the pizza bag and her hat). She politely asks me if I ordered over the phone or using the app, and if I added a tip to my order. I told her yes and that it was $10, and she explains that Pizza Hut often passes their delivery orders to DD, but that it never ever includes a tip, and the only way she gets the tip is to go back to the restaurant and demand to have the order pulled up after confirming face to face with the customer that #1 a tip was added, and #2 what the amount of it was. If she asks for the tip as she's leaving to make the delivery they just tell her "nope, no tip on this one". I told her that I added $10 meant for her and asked if I needed to call the restaurant to explain that and she said "no, I'll get it, we do this song and dance every single day" and then she thanked me and left.
Discussed before but a tip before you get service is not a tip at all, it really should be renamed to "a we won't eff with your food and maybe you'll get it on time charge"
 
Paid for a round of golf at local municipal, the person who merely just checked me in at the clubhouse told me to follow the prompt on the card reader - which was asking me for a tip. Smallest % was 25, no prompt for none. Went with other and manually entered zero.

They literally did nothing for me except ring me up for a standard rate round.
 
Direct Headline: ‘No tip, no trip’: DoorDasher shows piles of orders sitting on restaurant counter, says it’s a result of non-tipping customers

By Braden Bjella Feb 6, 2023, 9:15 am CST

Amongst DoorDash drivers, there is a common saying: “no tip, no trip.” This means exactly what it sounds like. If a customer orders an item and does not tip, many DoorDash drivers will simply ignore the order as waiting for more profitable orders better serves their interests....Many users on TikTok have shared the alleged consequences of this mantra to viral success. One user claimed a pile of orders without tips was sitting for 4 hours owing to the fact that no one wanted to deliver them. Another video showed a pile-up of pick-up McDonald’s orders also allegedly caused by a lack of tips.

“If u don’t wanna tip, get it urself! Simple!” a user exclaimed.....“My daughter works for doordash and she gets paid like $2.00 per hour so her salary is based off of tips,” explained a third. “Also, rate your driver if you can!”...However, other users pointed out issues with the logic of “no tip, no trip.”....“What if they tip good but the person brings cold food? Or even steals food?” asked a commenter. “That’s why people don’t tip BEFORE. I always tip cash afterwards.”....“I don’t tip anymore bc the drivers sucked so bad but when they actually do a good job I give them cash when they come,” claimed a second....Some even shared their belief that the anger of Dashers against non-tippers is misguided....“We need to do away with the tip system and start holding these restaurant corporations responsible for liveable wages,” concluded an additional TikToker. “This is SO crazy!”


https://www.dailydot.com/irl/doordasher-shows-piles-of-non-tipping-orders/



Direct Headline: Some Bay Area Restaurants Add ‘Wellness Fee' to Their Menus

By Scott Budman July 16, 2021

Several eateries say the price of getting everything is going up, including good employees and at some point, they need to pass that cost on the customers. A restaurant in San Mateo has only been open for three weeks, and it’s already dealing with new economic realities. "It's the cost of the high wages in the Bay Area," said Marr Levin, co-owner of Refuge Restaurant. He said rising inflation means everything he serves costs more and it also means the wages he pays need to go up just to attract enough employees....

...So now, Refuge adds what it calls a 2% "wellness fee" to its bottom line. Literally, the bottom line on its menu....Pinstripes, a nearby restaurant and bowling alley, is also dealing with rising costs, and has decided on a wellness fee of 3%....And the county says it understands the economic realities, and hopes businesses are honest about what they're charging...."If business owners choose to do it, they need to be extremely transparent up front,” said David Canepa, San Mateo County supervisor. “And they need to say, within their wellness fee, what the wellness fee is for....."

Some Bay Area restaurants said that in addition to offering higher wages, they plan to bring workers back by offering extra benefits, including a healthcare package.


https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...ants-add-wellness-fee-to-their-menus/2595888/



Direct Headline: ‘Guilt Tipping’: Pressure to tip everywhere has gotten out of control

By Alex Mitchell April 8, 2022

...Paying via tablet is now the convenient norm at pizzerias, coffee shops, fast food joints and other quick-service spots across the city, but the gadgets are quick to ask if you want to add a healthy gratuity to your order. Touchscreens typically prompt patrons to leave a tip ranging from 18 to 30% — and sometimes even higher — when they grab and go....Occasionally, the prompts replace the old tip jar — upping the ante on what was customarily a tossed buck or some loose change. But in many instances, patrons are being pressured to pony up at places where they’ve never been expected to tip before — say, for waiting on line for their burgers and fries at Five Guys. And they’re not happy about the sudden ubiquity of gratuity gouging....“I was somewhere spending $23 on just coffee and pastries and the suggested tip was another $8 and I simply said no way. I’ll give a dollar or so as a custom tip amount, but let’s have a reality check here,” said Jared Goodman, a 26-year-old recruiter who lives in Brooklyn. “Recently I got a quick bite with my girlfriend and the suggested tip amounts were 25, 35 and even 40%. That’s just insane....”

....Helen Suskin, a consultant from the Upper East Side, told The Post that even though she tips regularly on everything from coffee to baked goods, her generosity isn’t exactly coming from the heart. When you order from a counter, she said, “there is no added service,” yet she feels compelled to leave a gratuity anyway. “You can call that guilt tipping.”...Others, however, say they won’t be cowed by the machines....“I don’t tip people who just are doing their jobs by doing counter work,” Chelsea resident Stanley Vogel said, adding that he always tips servers at full-service restaurants. But, “like in a bakery if they’re just giving me a loaf of bread, I’m not gonna tip ’em for that … I never tip people who are counter people that just bring me something I can get myself.”

....In New York City, restaurant servers often make below minimum wage, and patrons are expected to reward their hard work with tips that will augment their salaries. Yet “fast food” workers — a legal category that includes baristas and cashiers — are guaranteed the full minimum wage of $15 an hour....The popular electronic payment process system Square lets business owners dole out the electronic tips in a variety of ways: It could go directly to the person who processed the transaction or it might be pooled across staff, either per transaction (i.e., a $5 tip would yield $1 for five eligible employees) or by hours worked.

...But, unlike the old days when you might directly hand a 10-spot to your server, nobody seems to have a handle on where the counter-service tips go exactly....Still, they say technology makes it awkward....“I used to go to this butcher shop all the time and I never tipped in the jar. I was friendly with all the guys — but I never tipped,” Sholder said. “Now it comes up [digitally] and it feels like, ‘Oh, he’s a cheapskate, he didn’t tip.’ It puts pressure on me so I really don’t like it, I feel it should be more voluntary.”....When “you’re just pushing a button,” she said, there’s less appreciation from the staff. “You don’t get a lot of ‘Wow, thanks so much!’ It’s just kind of like there’s an expectation from their side.”

....The Post called four locations of Five Guys to ask how gratuities are divided among staffers. Two managers said they were “not sure exactly how,” while the other two declined to respond....“I’m skeptical of the whole thing,” said former busboy Bryan Reilly, 24, of Massapequa, Long Island. “It feels like it’s becoming my responsibility to make up for their workers being paid so little....


https://nypost.com/2022/04/08/guilt-tipping-pressure-to-tip-has-gotten-out-of-control/


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So I'm going to start a topic that is designed to increase discussion and participation in the FFA.

There have been some generally widespread changes in "tipping" in terms of take out food and restaurants, what are your own experiences and opinions on these changes? What do you find good or bad about them?

I can see the situation from two angles. I had a half ownership stake in a restaurant for about two years long ago. But, to be fair, it was long time ago. Obviously some issues within the industry never change and some have changed dramatically. I also see it from the perspective of someone who has been both dead broke and also did better financially later on from the customer side, but still again, someone in an age bracket where exposure to crowds changes the threat risk for COVID19. That's another practical consideration, particularly for older potential customers.

Then another issue is where are these tips going? Can anyone be sure that the money is going to the working class people who need it the most and have these tough front line jobs? Is there a hard line being crossed about some folks feeling "pressure" to give a tip? Do some feel they are being asked to subsidize expenses that should already be implied in the purchase price? Do some see this as a way to cook off lower prices on the menu but to squeeze out people on the back end? And certainly lots of small businesses have been financially hurting, many already wiped out, especially in the restaurant/food industry in the past several years, much of it coming from pandemic related issues.

I am more interested in looking at the cultural/social aspect of this issue and NOT any issue dovetailing into overall public policy in any specific area. And to gauge how people here feel about it from their own experience(s).

I'll leave this here for others to discuss. (1/30)
I always tip delivery drivers. Life on the road is a tough way to make a living.
 
Paid for a round of golf at local municipal, the person who merely just checked me in at the clubhouse told me to follow the prompt on the card reader - which was asking me for a tip. Smallest % was 25, no prompt for none. Went with other and manually entered zero.

They literally did nothing for me except ring me up for a standard rate round.

So stupid. I’m sure the software probably defaults to the tip screen but most businesses should override it cause they look stupid. There’s no reason a tip screen should come up for a cashier ringing up a sale.
 
Went on a hike yesterday at Snowbird. Afterwards wanted to grab some treats for the kids. Grabbed a few sodas, red bull for dad, twix, skittles. Take it up to the counter where the cashier is (kind of like where you put your tray down and pay like at an old-school Morrison's Cafeteria or something). Checkout lady "okay it's going to ask you how much you'd like to tip and then you can tap your card".

Options are 10%, 15%, 20% (at least it was 20/25/30 like some places are doing). This person is essentially a grocery store checkout clerk, no food services rendered here just scanning the skittles, etc barcade and pointing to the card machine). Changing it to zero required using the "custom tip" tiny button in the bottom right, typing in 0.00, and then confirming yes I'm sure. All this on an old-school resistive touchscreen so I have to mash down each on-screen button and press it like 4 times, all while the cashier lady stares right at it/me.

But screw it, I'm taking a stand. Not just going to hit 20% on this kind of stuff anymore.
 
Seems like a weird question but here goes.
We’re having our bathroom remodeled. Total cost including parts etc will be about $40k. The dude doing it is doing great, he owns and runs his own business.
Is this something we’re supposed to tip?
Please don't take this as a personal attack because I do not mean it as one in any way. But I want to say, the fact you even felt the need to ask this question does indeed go to show just how out of control the tipping culture has become.
Not sure I agree. Lots of these guys are salt-of-the-earth type people.

I tip all sorts of service people randomly when they do a great job. Doesn't have to be much. Case of energy drinks for the garbage man, extra $20 to the appliance delivery guys for some beers, wine and cheese for the siding repair guys during the holidays, etc.

In that situation I would maybe ask the guy in casual conversation what his favorite alcohol was. Scotch? Perhaps a bottle of Macallan 18 as a surprise gift when settling up

Tipping is great when people are moved to do so. Not so much when it's a guilt-driven expectation.
 
Went on a hike yesterday at Snowbird. Afterwards wanted to grab some treats for the kids. Grabbed a few sodas, red bull for dad, twix, skittles. Take it up to the counter where the cashier is (kind of like where you put your tray down and pay like at an old-school Morrison's Cafeteria or something). Checkout lady "okay it's going to ask you how much you'd like to tip and then you can tap your card".

Options are 10%, 15%, 20% (at least it was 20/25/30 like some places are doing). This person is essentially a grocery store checkout clerk, no food services rendered here just scanning the skittles, etc barcade and pointing to the card machine). Changing it to zero required using the "custom tip" tiny button in the bottom right, typing in 0.00, and then confirming yes I'm sure. All this on an old-school resistive touchscreen so I have to mash down each on-screen button and press it like 4 times, all while the cashier lady stares right at it/me.

But screw it, I'm taking a stand. Not just going to hit 20% on this kind of stuff anymore.

I believe it was posted earlier in this thread, or I read it elsewhere, that those tips usually don't go to the counter guy. The owner just keeps it. Screw that.
 
I believe it was posted earlier in this thread, or I read it elsewhere, that those tips usually don't go to the counter guy. The owner just keeps it. Screw that.
The big thing is the default. If someone WANTS to tip the counter person, fine. They need to be the ones pressing extra buttons. It needs to be extra work to tip, not to simply pay for everything YOU brought up to the counter.

Places like that, leave a Google review. Can be very effective.
 
Went on a hike yesterday at Snowbird. Afterwards wanted to grab some treats for the kids. Grabbed a few sodas, red bull for dad, twix, skittles. Take it up to the counter where the cashier is (kind of like where you put your tray down and pay like at an old-school Morrison's Cafeteria or something). Checkout lady "okay it's going to ask you how much you'd like to tip and then you can tap your card".

Options are 10%, 15%, 20% (at least it was 20/25/30 like some places are doing). This person is essentially a grocery store checkout clerk, no food services rendered here just scanning the skittles, etc barcade and pointing to the card machine). Changing it to zero required using the "custom tip" tiny button in the bottom right, typing in 0.00, and then confirming yes I'm sure. All this on an old-school resistive touchscreen so I have to mash down each on-screen button and press it like 4 times, all while the cashier lady stares right at it/me.

But screw it, I'm taking a stand. Not just going to hit 20% on this kind of stuff anymore.
crap like this is just unnecessary and really pisses me off, of course they could just have the no tip button on the same screen but they're going out of their way to make you feel like a jerk and guilt you into giving them money
 
Seems like a weird question but here goes.
We’re having our bathroom remodeled. Total cost including parts etc will be about $40k. The dude doing it is doing great, he owns and runs his own business.
Is this something we’re supposed to tip?
Please don't take this as a personal attack because I do not mean it as one in any way. But I want to say, the fact you even felt the need to ask this question does indeed go to show just how out of control the tipping culture has become.
Not sure I agree. Lots of these guys are salt-of-the-earth type people.

I tip all sorts of service people randomly when they do a great job. Doesn't have to be much. Case of energy drinks for the garbage man, extra $20 to the appliance delivery guys for some beers, wine and cheese for the siding repair guys during the holidays, etc.

In that situation I would maybe ask the guy in casual conversation what his favorite alcohol was. Scotch? Perhaps a bottle of Macallan 18 as a surprise gift when settling up

Tipping is great when people are moved to do so. Not so much when it's a guilt-driven expectation.
I have never had a garbage man that I felt deserved a tip. Even here. We just moved in and the very first pickup our trash guy knocked over the recycle bin.

It's a cul de sac so he knew he did it. Just drove on.
 
i was down in st louis this weekend and went into a parnera on sunday am to get a bagel when i showed up no one was at the front i waited exactly 7 minutes i counted and then went around the corner and said hi is anyone up here politely well the guy came up and said i will be right with you and then went back and yelled for some other employer and he didnt seem happy well then no one came for another 7 minutes i counted again so i did the same thing and he came back and apologized and blamed the other employee who he then yelled for again and finally exasperatedly took my order for a bagel and an apple juice all he had to do was just hand me the stuff by now there was three more people waiting behind me it had been 15 minutes so i no tipped him on the way out and he got snippy about it definitely not the best parnera experience i have ever had but i guess sometimes you win some and sometimes you lose some take that to the bank brohans
 
Had an appliance repair person come to look at my refrigerator because the fan in the fridge was not working. In signing to pay the fee, there was a tip screen. First time that I’ve seen that from a repairman.
 
Had an appliance repair person come to look at my refrigerator because the fan in the fridge was not working. In signing to pay the fee, there was a tip screen. First time that I’ve seen that from a repairman.
Can't blame anyone for trying but no, skilled trades are not on the tip list.
 
Had an appliance repair person come to look at my refrigerator because the fan in the fridge was not working. In signing to pay the fee, there was a tip screen. First time that I’ve seen that from a repairman.
Can't blame anyone for trying but no, skilled trades are not on the tip list.

Agreed. However, when the locksmith guy showed up in 30 minutes and got me out of a bind, I didn't even hesitate to tip. A little bit of service and trade, I suppose.
 
Had an appliance repair person come to look at my refrigerator because the fan in the fridge was not working. In signing to pay the fee, there was a tip screen. First time that I’ve seen that from a repairman.
Can't blame anyone for trying but no, skilled trades are not on the tip list.
well i think we are blaming people for trying, that's kind of the point of the thread. I would think twice about hiring that guy again tbh bc I'd feel maybe he wasn't doing his best work next time if I don't tip him. Now if he did a great job of course I would but if I was on the fence could sway me in other direction.
 

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