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Football practice on labor day? (2 Viewers)

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Daywalker

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Is this the norm.

My nephew, jv football.

Think it is insane.  Coaches, trainers, parents and kids have to plan their holiday around 330 practice.  Sure it is the head coaches decision.  Dont understand why the school allows it.

Not to mention im trying plan a fantasy draft and my nephew is a real guppie.

 
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What I’ve learned in my many, many years around youth/school sports...

If one coach in the league/region/division does it...the rest will follow out of fear of falling behind.

 
Very normal.  Always had practice as a player back in the day...always had practice as a coach in more recent days.  

ETA...but not at 3:30.  We would has go for a couple hours in the early AM to free up the day a little.

 
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Very normal for high school football these days.  The practice schedules were not made to be convenient for working parents or for any sort of family plans.    They expect you to build your life around football and not the other way around.   

 
My dad loved to tell this story:

He went to a tiny Catholic school back in the early 1950s.  There were like 55 guys split between varsity and JV.  Dad was a very undersized freshman,

 Their head coach was a  WWII vet who played for the Los Angeles pro team before the Rams showed up. 

So All Saints’ Day (the day after Halloween to you heathens) fell on a Saturday.  Pretty much all of the upperclassmen spent Halloween partying.  The coach called for a special practice at noon on Saturday.

All of the underclassmen/scrubs spent the practice showing up/beating the piss out of the hungover starters.

Coach spent the entire next week forcing the studs to prove themselves worthy via stadiums/laps/updowns/reps.  Nobody lost their positions probably but they paid for it.

 
Galileo said:
Very normal.  Always had practice as a player back in the day...always had practice as a coach in more recent days.  

ETA...but not at 3:30.  We would has go for a couple hours in the early AM to free up the day a little.
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Thats a lot more considerate.  Yet another example how the sun doesn't revolve around you.

 
Depending on your state, the HS football schedule could already be 2+ weeks in.  If the team had a  varsity game the previous Friday and another one the Friday after Labor Day, the coach only has MTW for practice.   Now the 330 start time is ludicrous but I get why they're practicing. 

 
I'm just surprised the schools are good with having to hire trainers to come in on labor day.  Cant be cheap.

We got teacher half days all the time but we got football on labor day.  Bizarre.

 
Galileo said:
Very normal.  Always had practice as a player back in the day...always had practice as a coach in more recent days.  

ETA...but not at 3:30.  We would has go for a couple hours in the early AM to free up the day a little.
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That’s worse.  At least 3:30 in the afternoon you could have all day Sat and Sun and part of Monday for family time.

And to the OP yes it’s normal.  My son is a senior and will have a game Friday evening off Sat and Sun with a Monday evening practice just like a normal week after all they have a game that upcoming Friday.

 
Daywalker said:
I'm just surprised the schools are good with having to hire trainers to come in on labor day.  Cant be cheap.

We got teacher half days all the time but we got football on labor day.  Bizarre.
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I imagine it's been that way for longer, but it's definitely been that way since the 90's. 

 
JaxBill said:
Depending on your state, the HS football schedule could already be 2+ weeks in.  If the team had a  varsity game the previous Friday and another one the Friday after Labor Day, the coach only has MTW for practice.   Now the 330 start time is ludicrous but I get why they're practicing. 
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See I think it’s a great time.  Most people are coming back from a long weekend on Monday afternoon anyway.  Just need to get home earlier.  Plus at least in my neck of the woods 3:30 is the normal practice time...right after school.

 
What's the matter with you? All season long you've been laughed at, crapped on. Now, you've got a chance to spit it back in their faces and what do you do? You're out there like a bunch of dead fish, not listening, bonehead plays, mistakes! I mean, don't you want to beat those bastards!

Alright, get out there now and - do the best you can.

 
matuski said:
Pretty easy solution if my family plans are inconvenienced:

"We won't be there coach"
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works great if your kid is one of the handful of best players (star QB, star player on offense or defense). if not, probably going to get the kid benched and or blackballed.

depends on how much of a chooch the coach is.. but given the state of HS sports.. he's probably a pretty big ****.

 
mr. furley said:
works great if your kid is one of the handful of best players (star QB, star player on offense or defense). if not, probably going to get the kid benched and or blackballed.

depends on how much of a chooch the coach is.. but given the state of HS sports.. he's probably a pretty big ****.
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Yeah, that approach doesn’t work with varsity sports.

I wouldn’t have an issue w the 3:30 Monday practice, it really is the most considerate time to have it. All of the fun for the weekend has already been had. 

 
mr. furley said:
works great if your kid is one of the handful of best players (star QB, star player on offense or defense). if not, probably going to get the kid benched and or blackballed.

depends on how much of a chooch the coach is.. but given the state of HS sports.. he's probably a pretty big ****.
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I can live with that.

 
mr. furley said:
works great if your kid is one of the handful of best players (star QB, star player on offense or defense). if not, probably going to get the kid benched and or blackballed.

depends on how much of a chooch the coach is.. but given the state of HS sports.. he's probably a pretty big ****.
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Freshman year my parents decided they wanted to start vacationing Thanksgiving week. I wasn't the best basketball player on the Jr. High teams, but I was a starter. Regular season games didn't begin for Freshman ball until after the break and I probably missed three practices with the vacation. I played minimally in our first 2-3 games and didn't start until sometime in January. Despite the team being exactly the same from Jr. High - except our best two were up on JV.

My parents then decided to put off Thanksgiving week vacationing until after I graduated.

 
This thread needs the wisdom of twitter user 3YearLetterman.  He'd have some of you guys doing Oklahoma drills in the parking lot with no water.

 
coyote5 said:
:lmao:  Sorry you're getting benched sport, but hey at least we got that extra two hours to spend at Six Flags!  We woulda missed that brawl in line at the Demon Dog and don't get me started on the elephant ears!
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Seems an odd way to go here.  Have fun with this fantasy?

I wouldn't be caught dead at a Six Flags.  

 
Nigel said:
No kidding...being a hockey parent will desensitize you to "inconveniences" like this pretty quickly. Or your kid won't play hockey.
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If I commit to a sporting event, we will be there.

If I book a vacation in January and you let me know about a sports event a couple weeks ahead of time, we won't be there.  AAU, JV, Varsity, tee ball, piano... whatever.

You guys seem to find this very controversial, seems pretty straight forward to me.

 
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matuski said:
Yes.. older one will and wants to be.

Younger one will as well despite not having an ounce of interest.
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Sooooo you feel it's important enough that your kids participate in varsity sports, whether they want to or not, but the minute they're an inconvenience to your plans... sorry coach?

Just seems odd to me.

 
coyote5 said:
Sooooo you feel it's important enough that your kids participate in varsity sports, whether they want to or not, but the minute they're an inconvenience to your plans... sorry coach?

Just seems odd to me.
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Not sure I get your issue here.

If I book a family vacation for Labor Day, and you inform me of a practice on a Holiday a couple weeks ahead of time - I will inform you we have plans and won't be there.

 
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matuski said:
If I commit to a sporting event, we will be there.

If I book a vacation in January and you let me know about a sports event a couple weeks ahead of time, we won't be there.  AAU, JV, Varsity, tee ball, piano... whatever.

You guys seem to find this very controversial, seems pretty straight forward to me.
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I don't yet know the specifics of my son's varsity hockey schedule, but I do know we can't schedule a family vacation that he'll be able to attend from Thanksgiving through the end of Feb. Likewise, if he played varsity football, I would assume he's not having the entirety of Labor Day weekend off given the first game of the season is a week or two later.

 
Nigel said:
I don't yet know the specifics of my son's varsity hockey schedule, but I do know we can't schedule a family vacation that he'll be able to attend from Thanksgiving through the end of Feb. Likewise, if he played varsity football, I would assume he's not having the entirety of Labor Day weekend off given the first game of the season is a week or two later.
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If I made these assumptions, I would plan accordingly.

If I did not make these assumptions, and the Holiday vacation was committed to prior ... :shrug:

 
coyote5 said:
Sooooo you feel it's important enough that your kids participate in varsity sports, whether they want to or not, but the minute they're an inconvenience to your plans... sorry coach?

Just seems odd to me.
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Also - it isn't important to me that my kids participate in varsity sports, it is important to me they participate in something.

Younger kid is a stud at most every sport I put him into.. he just doesn't care much at all.  He'd rather play videogames.  When high school comes around he will choose something or I will choose sports. :lol:

 
matuski said:
If I commit to a sporting event, we will be there.

If I book a vacation in January and you let me know about a sports event a couple weeks ahead of time, we won't be there.  AAU, JV, Varsity, tee ball, piano... whatever.

You guys seem to find this very controversial, seems pretty straight forward to me.
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The schedule may not be set, but there will be football practice Labor Day. There will be basketball or hockey practice around Thanksgiving and Christmas. There will be baseball around Easter. Etc. If you schedule something without regards to those unknown likelihoods don't get upset at the coach if it ends up impacting playing time. And don't get upset with your kid if they're upset with either you or the coach about it. 

Decisions have consequences. The consequence to skipping practice, no matter the circumstances, negatively impacts playing time - unless that kid is a star. No one likes reading that, but it's reality.

 
Daywalker said:
I'm just surprised the schools are good with having to hire trainers to come in on labor day.  Cant be cheap.

We got teacher half days all the time but we got football on labor day.  Bizarre.
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Usually the trainers get a set pay for the sports season. It shouldn't cost anything extra beyond that.  

 
MAC_32 said:
The schedule may not be set, but there will be football practice Labor Day. There will be basketball or hockey practice around Thanksgiving and Christmas. There will be baseball around Easter. Etc. If you schedule something without regards to those unknown likelihoods don't get upset at the coach if it ends up impacting playing time. And don't get upset with your kid if they're upset with either you or the coach about it. 

Decisions have consequences. The consequence to skipping practice, no matter the circumstances, negatively impacts playing time - unless that kid is a star. No one likes reading that, but it's reality.
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Like I said, if I know this, I would plan accordingly.

The OP does not appear to have been aware.  In the OP's situation, if I had prior commitments: "We won't be there".

I have full confidence that my kids will be able to handle whatever catastrophic consequences come their way as a result of missing a practice.

 
matuski said:
If I made these assumptions, I would plan accordingly.

If I did not make these assumptions, and the Holiday vacation was committed to prior ... :shrug:
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When my son was in high school, the coach said he'll let the freshmen get a pass but after that, no spring break for baseball players. 
Considering the player is OP's nephew and not his own kid, its fair to assume he was not aware. Im sure the player was though. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
When my son was in high school, the coach said he'll let the freshmen get a pass but after that, no spring break for baseball players. 
Considering the player is OP's nephew and not his own kid, its fair to assume he was not aware. Im sure the player was though. 
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Then there wouldn't be an issue.

I think there is some knee jerk reaction going on here.

 
matuski said:
If I commit to a sporting event, we will be there.

If I book a vacation in January and you let me know about a sports event a couple weeks ahead of time, we won't be there.  AAU, JV, Varsity, tee ball, piano... whatever.

You guys seem to find this very controversial, seems pretty straight forward to me.
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I don't see anything controversial about that but who books a family vacation for labor day?

And what's wrong with Six Flags?  Kids love it.   I personally would never go if not for the kids but that like 90% of the places I take my kids.  

 
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Pipes said:
That’s worse.  At least 3:30 in the afternoon you could have all day Sat and Sun and part of Monday for family time.

And to the OP yes it’s normal.  My son is a senior and will have a game Friday evening off Sat and Sun with a Monday evening practice just like a normal week after all they have a game that upcoming Friday.
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Actually, there would be football Saturday morning as well.  Coaches like to keep routines as much as possible.

A typical week might look something like this...

M - Review scouting report, Introduce game plan, walk through game plan, run/weight room

T - Heavy Defense (Individual drills, group drills, team D), Team Offense, film of opponent

W - Heavy Offense (Individual drills, group drills, team O), Team Defense, film of opponent

Th - Team O, Team D, all special teams, team dinner

F - game night

S - Watch game film, run/weight room

Su - off

 
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matuski said:
If I commit to a sporting event, we will be there.

If I book a vacation in January and you let me know about a sports event a couple weeks ahead of time, we won't be there.  AAU, JV, Varsity, tee ball, piano... whatever.

You guys seem to find this very controversial, seems pretty straight forward to me.
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I've got no problem with this mindset.    I agree, if you are getting late information, then by all means follow through with your plans.  However, committing to a sport, especially a varsity sport, means don't make your big travel plans during the season.  Our head football coach puts out his calendar in January for the summer...camp dates, 7 on 7 scrimmages, 2 a days, etc...  The hope is people plan around the bigger stuff.  Missing a week in the weight room for a week in July is not a problem.  Missing a week of 2 a days in August is going to be a problem.

 
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