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For the love of God, do not elect Hilary Clinton next election. (1 Viewer)

I think I'm more fearful of Bernie Sanders than I am Hilary. Hilary is an easy win for Trump. I think Cruz would lose. Paul Ryan could beat her but he'd have to ham it up quite a bit. John Kasich could beat her. Vice President plays a big role. Kasich wants a woman VP and that's a huge deal breaker for me.

I know what the Repulican field looks like and I would go nuts for a Trump / Cruz ticket. You don't think with their backs to the wall they don't agree to split their delegates so they guarantee themselves the card? Kasich has already aligned himself with the establishment. It takes a team to hijack a party.

 
Eminence said:
I think I'm more fearful of Bernie Sanders than I am Hilary. Hilary is an easy win for Trump. I think Cruz would lose. Paul Ryan could beat her but he'd have to ham it up quite a bit. John Kasich could beat her. Vice President plays a big role. Kasich wants a woman VP and that's a huge deal breaker for me.

I know what the Repulican field looks like and I would go nuts for a Trump / Cruz ticket. You don't think with their backs to the wall they don't agree to split their delegates so they guarantee themselves the card? Kasich has already aligned himself with the establishment. It takes a team to hijack a party.
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I can't decide what you think "splitting the delegates" would mean. How would that work in your estimation? Trump and Cruz would show up at the convention, neither with enough delegates to have the nomination, and then what happens?

 
squistion said:
In one of the Trump threads there is a complaint there is only one thread for Hillary and that is for her supporters (although hard to believe from most of the comments). And they felt there should be another thread for her haters to talk about her alleged crimes and moral character.

I remembered Eminence started a Hillary hate fest thread that had been forgotten.

So I am bumping this and Saints, maybe you can post 5 less articles each day in the main Hillary thread and also talk here about her evil doings. Hopefully Sinn Fein, Rich, The Commish, et al can join you and rant on a daily basis about Hillary as they do in that thread.

Go for it kids!
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Look at you emulating Trump supporters.  :lol:

 
I don't think Hilary Clinton is as strong of a candidate in the general election as the media portrays her to be.

She 's been losing to Bernie consistently and Trump has at least as many supporters as Sanders.

 
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Eminence said:
I don't think Hilary Clinton is as strong of a candidate in the general election as the media portrays her to be.

She 's been losing to Bernie consistently and Trump has at least as many supporters as Sanders.
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You never answered McGarnicle above: why is a woman VP a deal-breaker for you?

 
Eminence said:
I don't think Hilary Clinton is as strong of a candidate in the general election as the media portrays her to be.

She 's been losing to Bernie consistently and Trump has at least as many supporters as Sanders.
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Demographics pretty much ensures Trump gets crushed in the general (in my opinion). 

 
matuski said:
And this is why Clinton will walk in without a scratch to show for it.

The Right's leading argument... is Benghazi? :lmao:

I'd have challenged to see her birth certificate before this loser of an effort.
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2 years later, Benghazi and emails (which is only an excuse to bring up Benghazi some more).

Oof.

 
MaxThreshold said:
Hah!  National Security is funny!

2 years later - still making excuses for Hillary.
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You keep misinterpreting this (as you did two years ago).

I have never said Hillary was a good candidate.  I have only commented on how weak your side is to have no chance against her.  That the right can't produce a viable candidate says a lot more about themselves than Hillary.  

Thus you guys are reduced to trotting out the likes of Palin and Trump... with straight faces.

 
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matuski said:
You keep misinterpreting this (as you did two years ago).

I have never said Hillary was a good candidate.  I have only commented on how weak your side is to have no chance against her.  That the right can't produce a viable candidate says a lot more about themselves than Hillary.  

Thus you guys keep trotting out the likes of Palin and Trump... with straight faces.
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Your assumption is that Hillary is a viable candidate?  A candidate who is under FBI investigation?

AFAIK, Palin isn't campaigning and I don't think anyone is happy (on the GOP side) with Trump.  I agree the candidates the GOP have are less than desirable but they aren't any less viable than Hillary.

 
MaxThreshold said:
Your assumption is that Hillary is a viable candidate?  A candidate who is under FBI investigation?

AFAIK, Palin isn't campaigning and I don't think anyone is happy (on the GOP side) with Trump.  I agree the candidates the GOP have are less than desirable but they aren't any less viable than Hillary.
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There's your disconnect.  Mainstream America sees Hillary as "meh," while Trump and Cruz are dangerous and completely un-electable loons.  It might get interesting if Kasich somehow manages to emerge from the convention, but if not, it's going to be the biggest landslide in modern history.

 
MaxThreshold said:
Your assumption is that Hillary is a viable candidate?  A candidate who is under FBI investigation?

AFAIK, Palin isn't campaigning and I don't think anyone is happy (on the GOP side) with Trump.  I agree the candidates the GOP have are less than desirable but they aren't any less viable than Hillary.
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Versus the likes of those the right is giving us?.. all day long.  Twice on Sundays.

Versus candidates in my lifetime?  I'd say Hillary ranks the lowest among Dem options in my voting life.

Which again only illustrates how helpless the right is that they cannot compete with her.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
There's your disconnect.  Mainstream America sees Hillary as "meh," while Trump and Cruz are dangerous and completely un-electable loons.  It might get interesting if Kasich somehow manages to emerge from the convention, but if not, it's going to be the biggest landslide in modern history.
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Are you the spokesman for Mainstream America?  Because Trump is within 6 points of Hillary now when it used to be double digits.

 
matuski said:
Versus the likes of those the right is giving us?.. all day long.  Twice on Sundays.

Versus candidates in my lifetime?  I'd say Hillary ranks the lowest among Dem options in my voting life.

Which again only illustrates how helpless the right is that they cannot compete with her.
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And that's YOUR disconnect.

 
The Bengahzi/Email clamor is akin to the birther contingent.

You will do more to help her (by making asszes of yourselves) than anything she could do herself.  All Hillary has to do is exactly what Obama did - sit back and fan the flames.

 
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matuski said:
The Bangahzi/Email clamor is akin to the birther continent.

You will do more to help her (by making asszes of yourselves) than anything she could do herself.  All Hillary has to do is exactly what Obama did - sit back and fan the flames.
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Amazing how the right doesn't realize this.  And the same with the absolutely insane social conservatism.  Death sentence in the general.

 
matuski said:
The Bengahzi/Email clamor is akin to the birther contingent.

You will do more to help her (by making asszes of yourselves) than anything she could do herself.  All Hillary has to do is exactly what Obama did - sit back and fan the flames.
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Nope, they're legitimate claims. The world has fallen apart with Hilary as Secretary of State, let's give her a promotion! Anyone who is unbiased can see these are substantial issues because they show her lack of competency and trust we an have in her...  as they are clear examples of her failures in public office.

She's a shrill, annoying person. Can't believe anyone wants her, she couldn't even beat Obama. Such a joke.

 
Eminence said:
Nope, they're legitimate claims. The world has fallen apart with Hilary as Secretary of State, let's give her a promotion! Anyone who is unbiased can see these are substantial issues because they show her lack of competency and trust we an have in her...  as they are clear examples of her failures in public office.

She's a shrill, annoying person. Can't believe anyone wants her, she couldn't even beat Obama. Such a joke.
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The question is whether she is to blame for the major issues in the middle east, not whether the world has fallen apart.  The secretary of state isn't in charge of keeping the entire world secure.

 
Eminence said:
Why not? Look how ####ty Europe is with woman leadership and look how poorly the first non-white president turned out. Things are so much better now than they were 8 years ago.
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Yeah, nothing bigoted here.

Upon reflection, I have to go along with Joffer--nobody born after 1880 can possibly be this obtuse.  It must be shtick.

 
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shader said:
The question is whether she is to blame for the major issues in the middle east, not whether the world has fallen apart.  The secretary of state isn't in charge of keeping the entire world secure.
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But she is a women in a job that should be held by a bad ### man, so it is obviously her fault. 

By the way Em, you suck. Can't believe you made me defend Hillary. 

 
Eminence said:
Why not? Look how ####ty Europe is with woman leadership and look how poorly the first non-white president turned out. Things are so much better now than they were 8 years ago.
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pretty awful stuff Eminence.  This isn't a KKK message board, you probably won't find much support here.

 
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apalmer said:
Yeah, nothing bigoted here.

Upon reflection, I have to go along with Joffer--nobody born after 1880 can possibly be this obtuse.  It must be shtick.
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Shut up with that word bigot. Call me an ####### if that's how you feel. Bigot is a stupid word. I think women make better nurturers than men, does that make me a bigot too? Even though that's their natural role in nature.

Shame on me for thinking there are some jobs a man can do better than a woman and vice versa. If Hilary showed some type of prowess, I'd go for it. But she hasn't. Seriously, bigot is the dumbest word ever and it really makes me lose all respect for whoever uses it... as it's become the left's brainwashed "insult word". It's been used so much that it means nothing, it adds nothing, and it's borderline being used out of context.

Just call me an ####### because that's all you're really trying to say.

 
Eminence said:
Why not? Look how ####ty Europe is with woman leadership and look how poorly the first non-white president turned out. Things are so much better now than they were 8 years ago.
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How poorly Obama turned out?  You might want to take a look at the financial and property markets before you make yourself look so dumb.  If your net worth hasn't gone up significantly over the past 8 years, you have much bigger problems than who has been or will be in the White House, guy.

 
Bigot - a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

 
It's ironic that the people who use that word are often using them towards someone who simply has a different opinion. Those who know the meaning to the word are very amused.
 
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Eminence said:
Bigot - a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

 
It's ironic that the people who use that word are often using them towards someone who simply has a different opinion. Those who know the meaning to the word are very amused.
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your "first non-white president" statement.

That isn't bigotry.  That's racism.

 
shader said:
your "first non-white president" statement.

That isn't bigotry.  That's racism.
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Racist is much more fitting than bigot, that's for sure. At least it makes it sound like you know what you're talking about. I really don't think my comment's were racist though, I'm a big fan of Dr. Ben Carson and hope that he ends up being Donald's running mate.

There's two much of a small sample size to determine if black presidents are ineffective. It wouldn't even have to be the president's fault, it could be the country being unable to resonate with him, that doesn't make the country racist.

For example, you'll probably find middle school kids might respond better to a woman teacher than a man teacher. A group of black kids might respond better to a black teacher than a white teacher. A group of white kids might respond better to a white teacher than a black teacher. These kids aren't racist, biologically there are certain settings that we're just more comfortable with. I believe it's in our DNA and there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm not saying black's should go out and kill whitey but there's no use putting a square peg into a round hole.

 
Eminence said:
Shut up with that word bigot. Call me an ####### if that's how you feel. Bigot is a stupid word. I think women make better nurturers than men, does that make me a bigot too? Even though that's their natural role in nature.

Shame on me for thinking there are some jobs a man can do better than a woman and vice versa. If Hilary showed some type of prowess, I'd go for it. But she hasn't. Seriously, bigot is the dumbest word ever and it really makes me lose all respect for whoever uses it... as it's become the left's brainwashed "insult word". It's been used so much that it means nothing, it adds nothing, and it's borderline being used out of context.

Just call me an ####### because that's all you're really trying to say.
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Sometimes the truth hurts. Funny you should react like that to a word that "means nothing". I don't think I've ever used that word on these forums before, but a post that manages to denigrate every woman in the world and finds it necessary to point out that "the first non-white president" has turned out poorly (in your view), implying that only white men deserve to be president simple screams out for that characterization.  If you had said, "I don't think Hillary can handle the job" you would have merely posted an opinion.  To state that no woman can handle it and then to drag in the race of the current president, carries you beyond that.  Now you reinforce it by stating your belief that this is a job that a man can handle better than a woman? Perfect. Granted, I could have tried other words, but to do so would have only been me trying to be PC and I know how much you hate people to do that.  And, yes,I do think you're an #######, but that's not mutually exclusive to being bigoted. 

 
Eminence said:
Racist is much more fitting than bigot, that's for sure. At least it makes it sound like you know what you're talking about. I really don't think my comment's were racist though, I'm a big fan of Dr. Ben Carson and hope that he ends up being Donald's running mate.

There's two much of a small sample size to determine if black presidents are ineffective. It wouldn't even have to be the president's fault, it could be the country being unable to resonate with him, that doesn't make the country racist.

For example, you'll probably find middle school kids might respond better to a woman teacher than a man teacher. A group of black kids might respond better to a black teacher than a white teacher. A group of white kids might respond better to a white teacher than a black teacher. These kids aren't racist, biologically there are certain settings that we're just more comfortable with. I believe it's in our DNA and there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm not saying black's should go out and kill whitey but there's no use putting a square peg into a round hole.
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Whether Barack Obama stinks or is the best president in US history says nothing as to whether a black person could be a successful president.  There are plenty of horrible white presidents, and I'm sure if we had a big enough sample size, we'd see that there would eventually be good and bad black presidents.  

The point is that it really has nothing to do with the color of the skin, but what type of person each president is.  A key fact that you seem to be missing as you label everyone based on their race and color.

 
Eminence said:
Bigot - a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

 
It's ironic that the people who use that word are often using them towards someone who simply has a different opinion. Those who know the meaning to the word are very amused.
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Merriam-Webster:

 a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
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You clearly dislike or can't accept women or blacks based on your comment.

 
apalmer said:
Sometimes the truth hurts. Funny you should react like that to a word that "means nothing". I don't think I've ever used that word on these forums before, but a post that manages to denigrate every woman in the world and finds it necessary to point out that "the first non-white president" has turned out poorly (in your view), implying that only white men deserve to be president simple screams out for that characterization.  If you had said, "I don't think Hillary can handle the job" you would have merely posted an opinion.  To state that no woman can handle it and then to drag in the race of the current president, carries you beyond that.  Now you reinforce it by stating your belief that this is a job that a man can handle better than a woman? Perfect. Granted, I could have tried other words, but to do so would have only been me trying to be PC and I know how much you hate people to do that.  And, yes,I do think you're an #######, but that's not mutually exclusive to being bigoted. 
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It just doesn't make any sense by the definition of the word. Whose opinion am I being intolerant of? Yours? You can think anything you want.

Pick up a dictionary and learn what these words mean. You're the one who has an issue with my opinion, you're the bigot.

 
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Do you maybe have other claims that could be true? Sure.

But your use of the word bigot is completely incorrect.

 
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I don't think the word "bigot" resonates with people.  It gets thrown around so much it's lost it's impact.  

If someone makes a statement as eminence made, call it what it is.  Racist.  That's a much stronger word that has a big impact.  

 
matuski said:
MaxThreshold said:
Hah!  National Security is funny!

2 years later - still making excuses for Hillary.
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You keep misinterpreting this (as you did two years ago).

I have never said Hillary was a good candidate.  I have only commented on how weak your side is to have no chance against her.  That the right can't produce a viable candidate says a lot more about themselves than Hillary.  

Thus you guys are reduced to trotting out the likes of Palin and Trump... with straight faces
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It's really amazing how quickly the tides change in our political system when it comes to the perceived "health" of one of the parties.  I was making pretty much this same argument with respect to Kerry vs GWB.  I couldn't believe the democrats were in such a place that they couldn't find someone better and what that realization meant with respect to the democratic party.

We are truly witnessing a race to the bottom like we've never seen before.

 
shader said:
I don't think the word "bigot" resonates with people.  It gets thrown around so much it's lost it's impact.  

If someone makes a statement as eminence made, call it what it is.  Racist.  That's a much stronger word that has a big impact.  
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"Racist" covers his "first non-white president" comment, but not his comment about women executives.  Guess I could have gone with Racist and Sexist, but the all-inclusive bigot was easier. From his reaction, I don't think it's lost its impact with him.

 
apalmer said:
"Racist" covers his "first non-white president" comment, but not his comment about women executives.  Guess I could have gone with Racist and Sexist, but the all-inclusive bigot was easier. From his reaction, I don't think it's lost its impact with him.
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If you want some back and white, indefensible examples of his bigotry, just search for his opinions on GLBT folks.

 
Truly a sickness, you can't have open conversation with the left without them insulting you.

This is exactly why we will never have true progress. I am a loving Christian man who has no prejudice towards any race or gender but these goons are trying to paint me like a bad guy because they disagree.

Total bigots using fear and hate speech to hold my opinion down.

 
Never did I say a woman couldn't make a good President and if these are the kinds of arguments Hilary and her supporters have to resort to...

GOOD LUCK IN NOVEMBER

 
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