For the love of God, do not elect Hilary Clinton next election. (1 Viewer)

[SaintsInDome2006]

It blows my mind that Sidney Blumenthal was making 10K per month from the "charity" when his job duties were to basically do political dirty work for Hillary....

And he made/makes money from Media Matters. And he is paid by the Super-Pac.

Still what gets me is that he was using that Executive Staff email style. He thought he would be working at the WH, so did she. I find it hard to believe that he was doing all that work for her, that he was doing it as an unauthorized member of the White House staff, and that he wasn't getting paid some other way for that. I don't think we have learned the entirety of that piece.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It blows my mind that Sidney Blumenthal was making 10K per month from the "charity" when his job duties were to basically do political dirty work for Hillary....

One other point of this - way up in this thread there is a discussion about the percent of the revenues actually spent on program activities at the charity and how actual grants and donations and such are just ~10% of the total of what comes in. And some pointed out that there is a good bit spent additionally in unitemized expenses and salaries with the idea that, hey, often charities spend money on salaries and expenses that go to support charity.

Blumenthal's salary at the CF really raises a question about how much of those salaries and expenditures really were supporting charity.

Another aspect of this is the practice that Hillary had of farming out some of her key aides to the Foundation, like Abedin and Mills, who like Blumenthal were being paid by the Foundation, and even other companies like Teneo. Unlike Blumenthal though they were also getting paid by the US government. I'm curious if Blumenthal also was getting compensated by the USG somehow but that has yet to be seen.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I'm assuming each release of emails will contain more harmful emails to Hillary, correct? Sort of like a tv show's plot building up over the course of a season.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm assuming each release of emails will contain more harmful emails to Hillary, correct? Sort of like a tv show's plot building up over the course of a season.

I don't know, that's a good question. There are a few different things going on - Hillary's emails released to Congress, Hillary's emails released to the press and citizens groups pursuant to the 5 year old lawsuits, and then the added influx of emails from others like Blumenthal, Mills and Abedin. I think some of this will have a buckshot pattern effect until next January when supposedly they will supposedly be finished.

 

[DocHolliday]

I'm assuming each release of emails will contain more harmful emails to Hillary, correct? Sort of like a tv show's plot building up over the course of a season.

You are correct. Politics is more entertainment than anything else at this point. Solving problems stopped long ago.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sorry, one more:

In a letter accompanying the documents sent to Capitol Hill on Tuesday, Assistant Secretary of State Julia Frifield noted that State has “provided the Benghazi Committee with over 50,000 pages of documents” and that “many” records in the new set are duplicates of ones previously given to the panel.

However, Frifield also said State is holding back some records. “A small number of documents implicate important Executive Branch institutional interests and are therefore not included in this production,” she wrote.

Apparently the WH is claiming executive privilege on a small number of documents and they just kind of threw that into a letter at the end in an oh-by-the-way manner.

Keep in mind Hillary has produced one email where the substance is entirely redacted already. The subject? Her call with the president on 9/11/12 about Benghazi, but these documents are not going to be turned over at all.

 

[The Commish]

Wait....so she used an AT&T account to???

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wait....so she used an AT&T account to???

Yep, through 9/20/09.

There's also a new (third) @clintonemail add appearing. The Clintons claim one is old, the other new, but they appear in the email correspondence produced in response to FOIA requests.

 

[The Commish]

So careless and reckless. Can't make this #### up

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Aside from the issue of the secreting of public records and Blumenthal's thick involvement, one other aspect of this is the WH blowing Hillary off for cabinet meetings and essentially handing Iraq policy over to Joe Biden. That should be a pretty interesting point should Biden indeed run for office, oddly enough he might have more foreign policy cred than Hillary at this point, which is pretty unusual for a VP, who supposedly typically is just a ministerial type who shows up for official events.

It's also bizarre to me that from an administrative standpoint so few people knew her official email address - even at State. This puts a new light on one of the emails which revealed that when CNN reported that Benghazi was actually a terrorist-militia attack per a State Department cable Hillary expressed surprise and asked why she hadn't received it. Well, duh, very few at State actually had her email address. She couldn't very well be receiving much information of substance by email if very few people working for her could get in touch with her. Secrecy has all sorts of problems organizationally but lack of notice and the filtering of information to a near siphon is one of them.

For example:

- it's September 2009 and the President's Chief of Staff does not even have the SOS's email address:

https://twitter.com/edhenry/status/616071070899175424/photo/1

 

[shadrap]

Appears many whitehouse officials knew she had a private server but flat out lied when asked. When asked "were you aware of Hillary using a private email server"? "No" was the answer. What, is answering truthful going to cause mass extinction? Apparently lies have no real consequence anymore. Sad state of politics in this country.

 

[FlapJacks]

Aside from the issue of the secreting of public records and Blumenthal's thick involvement, one other aspect of this is the WH blowing Hillary off for cabinet meetings and essentially handing Iraq policy over to Joe Biden. That should be a pretty interesting point should Biden indeed run for office, oddly enough he might have more foreign policy cred than Hillary at this point, which is pretty unusual for a VP, who supposedly typically is just a ministerial type who shows up for official events.

It's also bizarre to me that from an administrative standpoint so few people knew her official email address - even at State. This puts a new light on one of the emails which revealed that when CNN reported that Benghazi was actually a terrorist-militia attack per a State Department cable Hillary expressed surprise and asked why she hadn't received it. Well, duh, very few at State actually had her email address. She couldn't very well be receiving much information of substance by email if very few people working for her could get in touch with her. Secrecy has all sorts of problems organizationally but lack of notice and the filtering of information to a near siphon is one of them.

For example:

- it's September 2009 and the President's Chief of Staff does not even have the SOS's email address:

https://twitter.com/edhenry/status/616071070899175424/photo/1

drew dillon ‏@drewdil 18h18 hours ago@edhenry @pmarca more importantly, who are the other 16 "hrod"s?

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• Marc Andreessen ‏@pmarca 18h18 hours ago
  @drewdil @edhenry Oh my god, I think she had them killed...
  
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[SaintsInDome2006]

Appears many whitehouse officials knew she had a private server but flat out lied when asked. When asked "were you aware of Hillary using a private email server"? "No" was the answer. What, is answering truthful going to cause mass extinction? Apparently lies have no real consequence anymore. Sad state of politics in this country.

Well the President got caught up in this too. When asked (by CBS or CNN...) he said he wasn't aware of the private email add, the very next day Tim Carney (I think) the press secretary said oh yeah he knew, because it's ridiculous, they were emailing with her and her emails said "H" on them. I doubt they were corresponding with an anonymous spammer.

If they didn't realize it then they look like fools or people who weren't in touch with their own SOS. Axelrod's point is a pretty nice out but it's also problematic for Hillary, because he says sure he knew but he and the WH were never told about the private server or that she wasn't using any .gov email at all, which then makes it look like - maybe rightly - like she was deceiving them.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Aside from the issue of the secreting of public records and Blumenthal's thick involvement, one other aspect of this is the WH blowing Hillary off for cabinet meetings and essentially handing Iraq policy over to Joe Biden. That should be a pretty interesting point should Biden indeed run for office, oddly enough he might have more foreign policy cred than Hillary at this point, which is pretty unusual for a VP, who supposedly typically is just a ministerial type who shows up for official events.

It's also bizarre to me that from an administrative standpoint so few people knew her official email address - even at State. This puts a new light on one of the emails which revealed that when CNN reported that Benghazi was actually a terrorist-militia attack per a State Department cable Hillary expressed surprise and asked why she hadn't received it. Well, duh, very few at State actually had her email address. She couldn't very well be receiving much information of substance by email if very few people working for her could get in touch with her. Secrecy has all sorts of problems organizationally but lack of notice and the filtering of information to a near siphon is one of them.

For example:

- it's September 2009 and the President's Chief of Staff does not even have the SOS's email address:

https://twitter.com/edhenry/status/616071070899175424/photo/1

drew dillon ‏@drewdil 18h18 hours ago@edhenry @pmarca more importantly, who are the other 16 "hrod"s?

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• Marc Andreessen ‏@pmarca 18h18 hours ago
  @drewdil @edhenry Oh my god, I think she had them killed...
  
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This also puts the lie in the canard that Hillary deleted emails which were purely personal because obviously she could create as many handles as she wanted. Even if her lie about "convenience" and the number of devices were true (which they're not) it would not matter because she could have made "hdr23" for personal use, or "hdr12" for personal use, and who knows maybe she was doing that and maybe everything in these hdr22 and hdr17 and hdr15 boxes/folders and the att emails were all entirely public records for official business after all. Maybe all of the half of the emails she deleted were actually just that, public records and official business.

 

[The Commish]

I wonder what the price tag was for having the secret service stand outside the door at AT&T to make sure things were nice and secure

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It blows my mind that Sidney Blumenthal was making 10K per month from the "charity" when his job duties were to basically do political dirty work for Hillary....

That seriously blows your mind? My mind would have been blown if Hillary and Blumenthal were operating completely on the up-and-up.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I wonder what the price tag was for having the secret service stand outside the door at AT&T to make sure things were nice and secure

Well I'm guessing her password for the att account was "chelseasmom" so...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And now, I interrupt this very serious thread about legitimate reasons to dislike Hillary for some actual possible "scandal":

Judicial Watch Sues for Secret Service Records of Costs for Bill Clinton’s Trips to Caribbean Island Owned by Registered Sex Offender Jeffrey EpsteinJUNE 23, 2015

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today that on June 15, 2015, it filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to obtain records of all Secret Service expenses incurred to provide “security and or/other services” to former President Bill Clinton during his trips to the Caribbean island of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Homeland Security (No. 1:15-cv-00915)).

According to the flight logbook obtained and first reported by Gawker.com, Clinton took more than a dozen trips aboard the private jet of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and was at least on one occasion accompanied by “4 secret service.” The logbooks also show Clinton flew alongside a woman who prosecutors believe procured underage girls to service Epstein and others.

Judicial Watch filed the FOIA lawsuit after DHS failed to comply with a January 15, 2015, FOIA request to the U.S. Secret Service, seeking the following:



Any and all records reflecting expenses incurred to provide security and/or other services to former President Bill Clinton and any companions for trips to the Caribbean island owned by Jeffrey Epstein known as Little St. James from 2001 to the present date.

The scandal involving the Epstein’s Boeing 727, dubbed the “Lolita Express,” and his private Caribbean Island of Little Saint James first came to light in December 2014, when Virginia Roberts – now a married, 31-year-old mother of three – filed an affidavit in a Florida federal court charging that at age 15 she was procured by socialite Ghislaine Maxwell to satisfy the sexual needs of Epstein and his friends.

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http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-sues-for-secret-service-records-of-costs-for-bill-clintons-trips-to-caribbean-island-owned-by-registered-sex-offender-jeffrey-epstein/

Now, is this seamy? Yes. Is this a cheap political stunt? Maybe.

But secret service costs are most likely also public records. And you know, the Secret Service was along, they're upstanding, diligent guys, who would never, ever embarrass the USA.

 

[Johnnymac]

Saints, are you a political writer or something? I ask because you seem to have a real hard on for Hillary. If you don't do this sort of thing for your paycheck I think you need to take it easy. It's not healthy. Besides, it's politics, they are all crooked in one way or another.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints, are you a political writer or something? I ask because you seem to have a real hard on for Hillary. If you don't do this sort of thing for your paycheck I think you need to take it easy. It's not healthy. Besides, it's politics, they are all crooked in one way or another.

Ok man, thanks. I'm going to a new brewery that opened up right now. I do love politics and political writing, and corruption is a personal, serious dislike of mine. In Hillary they merge, I do think she has taken an age old problem to a new level though. And I think this is potentially historical stuff. I also love beer, reading, writing, sports and football though, so maybe I will get back to those soon. Thanks for the good thoughts. Cheers.

 

[Johnnymac]

Saints, are you a political writer or something? I ask because you seem to have a real hard on for Hillary. If you don't do this sort of thing for your paycheck I think you need to take it easy. It's not healthy. Besides, it's politics, they are all crooked in one way or another.

Ok man, thanks. I'm going to a new brewery that opened up right now. I do love politics and political writing, and corruption is a personal, serious dislike of mine. In Hillary they merge, I do think she has taken an age old problem to a new level though. And I think this is potentially historical stuff. I also love beer, reading, writing, sports and football though, so maybe I will get back to those soon. Thanks for the good thoughts. Cheers.

Ok good to hear. Looks like you have things in balance.

 

[DocHolliday]

Saints, are you a political writer or something? I ask because you seem to have a real hard on for Hillary. If you don't do this sort of thing for your paycheck I think you need to take it easy. It's not healthy. Besides, it's politics, they are all crooked in one way or another.

Ok man, thanks. I'm going to a new brewery that opened up right now. I do love politics and political writing, and corruption is a personal, serious dislike of mine. In Hillary they merge, I do think she has taken an age old problem to a new level though. And I think this is potentially historical stuff. I also love beer, reading, writing, sports and football though, so maybe I will get back to those soon. Thanks for the good thoughts. Cheers.

Don't let anyone talk you into stopping. You are doing a service to this country.

 

[FlapJacks]

" I heard on the radio that there's a cabinet meeting. Can I go?"

 

[Todd Andrews]

Saints is bringing the truth about the vile Hillary to the people.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

" I heard on the radio that there's a cabinet meeting. Can I go?"

 

[shadrap]

The Benghazi committee says in a statement:

The House Select Committee on Benghazi today released its March 4, 2015, subpoena to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in response to her inaccurate claim she had not been subpoenaed. The committee subpoenaed Clinton directly after it became aware of her exclusive use of personal email and a server and that the State Department was not the custodian of Clinton’s official record. The State Department failed to reveal this essential information to the Benghazi Committee or any other investigation into the Benghazi terrorist attacks until days before a media outlet was going to publish the information, meaning no investigation prior to the Benghazi Committee’s had access to the Secretary of State’s communications as part of its review.
Hillary must have simply misspoke or is a serial liar.

 

[Johnnymac]

The Benghazi committee says in a statement:

The House Select Committee on Benghazi today released its March 4, 2015, subpoena to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in response to her inaccurate claim she had not been subpoenaed. The committee subpoenaed Clinton directly after it became aware of her exclusive use of personal email and a server and that the State Department was not the custodian of Clinton’s official record. The State Department failed to reveal this essential information to the Benghazi Committee or any other investigation into the Benghazi terrorist attacks until days before a media outlet was going to publish the information, meaning no investigation prior to the Benghazi Committee’s had access to the Secretary of State’s communications as part of its review.
Hillary must have simply misspoke or is a serial liar.

The "Benghazi Committee" also has a problem with misspeak and lies.

 

[Stinger Ray]

The Benghazi committee says in a statement:

The House Select Committee on Benghazi today released its March 4, 2015, subpoena to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in response to her inaccurate claim she had not been subpoenaed. The committee subpoenaed Clinton directly after it became aware of her exclusive use of personal email and a server and that the State Department was not the custodian of Clinton’s official record. The State Department failed to reveal this essential information to the Benghazi Committee or any other investigation into the Benghazi terrorist attacks until days before a media outlet was going to publish the information, meaning no investigation prior to the Benghazi Committee’s had access to the Secretary of State’s communications as part of its review.

Hillary must have simply misspoke or is a serial liar.

The "Benghazi Committee" also has a problem with misspeak and lies.

So you admit Hillary misspeaks and lies.

 

[Johnnymac]

The Benghazi committee says in a statement:

The House Select Committee on Benghazi today released its March 4, 2015, subpoena to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in response to her inaccurate claim she had not been subpoenaed. The committee subpoenaed Clinton directly after it became aware of her exclusive use of personal email and a server and that the State Department was not the custodian of Clinton’s official record. The State Department failed to reveal this essential information to the Benghazi Committee or any other investigation into the Benghazi terrorist attacks until days before a media outlet was going to publish the information, meaning no investigation prior to the Benghazi Committee’s had access to the Secretary of State’s communications as part of its review.

Hillary must have simply misspoke or is a serial liar.

The "Benghazi Committee" also has a problem with misspeak and lies.

So you admit Hillary misspeaks and lies.

Yes, don't they all?

 

[cstu]

Saints, are you a political writer or something? I ask because you seem to have a real hard on for Hillary. If you don't do this sort of thing for your paycheck I think you need to take it easy. It's not healthy. Besides, it's politics, they are all crooked in one way or another.

Ok man, thanks. I'm going to a new brewery that opened up right now. I do love politics and political writing, and corruption is a personal, serious dislike of mine. In Hillary they merge, I do think she has taken an age old problem to a new level though. And I think this is potentially historical stuff. I also love beer, reading, writing, sports and football though, so maybe I will get back to those soon. Thanks for the good thoughts. Cheers.

Regarding the bolded, it seems to me she's more Machiavellian in her quest to be President than how I view corruption in the sense of seeking personal financial gain. As shady as she is in getting there, IMO she's a true believer in her cause.

Also, in every election I'm reminded of this Douglas Adams quote:

It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Saints, are you a political writer or something? I ask because you seem to have a real hard on for Hillary. If you don't do this sort of thing for your paycheck I think you need to take it easy. It's not healthy. Besides, it's politics, they are all crooked in one way or another.

Ok man, thanks. I'm going to a new brewery that opened up right now. I do love politics and political writing, and corruption is a personal, serious dislike of mine. In Hillary they merge, I do think she has taken an age old problem to a new level though. And I think this is potentially historical stuff. I also love beer, reading, writing, sports and football though, so maybe I will get back to those soon. Thanks for the good thoughts. Cheers.

Regarding the bolded, it seems to me she's more Machiavellian in her quest to be President than how I view corruption in the sense of seeking personal financial gain. As shady as she is in getting there, IMO she's a true believer in her cause.

Also, in every election I'm reminded of this Douglas Adams quote:

It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

 

[cstu]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

 

[The Commish]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

I need evidence of these....tia

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

 

[MaxThreshold]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

She only wants the Presidency because a) she truly believes she's entitled to it it like she's next in line for the throne and b) She can use it to cash in.

She has no altruistic motives whatsoever. Surprised people still think that after all these years.

 

[trogg78]

I love all the armchair psychologists. Always good for a laugh.

 

[cstu]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

She only wants the Presidency because a) she truly believes she's entitled to it it like she's next in line for the throne and b) She can use it to cash in.

She has no altruistic motives whatsoever. Surprised people still think that after all these years.

Is that why as soon as Bill was elected she tried to get health care ('Hillarycare') pushed through, even knowing how much it would anger Republicans?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

She only wants the Presidency because a) she truly believes she's entitled to it it like she's next in line for the throne and b) She can use it to cash in.

She has no altruistic motives whatsoever. Surprised people still think that after all these years.

Is that why as soon as Bill was elected she tried to get health care ('Hillarycare') pushed through, even knowing how much it would anger Republicans?

Well actually, Bill campaigned on health care reform, not Hillary. And Hillary single-handedly ####ed it up by all accounts. Not the best example for you.

 

[Soonerman]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

She only wants the Presidency because a) she truly believes she's entitled to it it like she's next in line for the throne and b) She can use it to cash in.

She has no altruistic motives whatsoever. Surprised people still think that after all these years.

Is that why as soon as Bill was elected she tried to get health care ('Hillarycare') pushed through, even knowing how much it would anger Republicans?

Well actually, Bill campaigned on health care reform, not Hillary. And Hillary single-handedly ####ed it up by all accounts. Not the best example for you.

Exactly. She couldn't even get Democrats to vote for it.

 

[The Commish]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

She only wants the Presidency because a) she truly believes she's entitled to it it like she's next in line for the throne and b) She can use it to cash in.

She has no altruistic motives whatsoever. Surprised people still think that after all these years.

Is that why as soon as Bill was elected she tried to get health care ('Hillarycare') pushed through, even knowing how much it would anger Republicans?

I think this is a positive for her. It's one of the few things they campaigned on that she tried to follow through on. So she gets a check there. Problem is, she was so bad at it, she couldn't get her own party on board.

 

[cstu]

Well actually, Bill campaigned on health care reform, not Hillary. And Hillary single-handedly ####ed it up by all accounts. Not the best example for you.

I love it - I showed that she actually does care about doing what she's claims and you guys all retort "Yeah, but she's bad at it".

 

[Johnnymac]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

She only wants the Presidency because a) she truly believes she's entitled to it it like she's next in line for the throne and b) She can use it to cash in.

She has no altruistic motives whatsoever. Surprised people still think that after all these years.

Cash in what? I wouldn't vote for her either but I have no idea what she would be "cashing in" on.

 

[Stinger Ray]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

She only wants the Presidency because a) she truly believes she's entitled to it it like she's next in line for the throne and b) She can use it to cash in.

She has no altruistic motives whatsoever. Surprised people still think that after all these years.

Cash in what? I wouldn't vote for her either but I have no idea what she would be "cashing in" on.

You are clueless.

 

[timschochet]

If any of you read "Hard Choices", then you'll

Know that Hillary's main motive has always been the call of public service.

 

[Willie Neslon]

If any of you read "Hard Choices", then you'll

Know that Hillary's main motive has always been the call of public service.

Maybe, but she is bought and paid for to get in her current position. I guess it's inevitable for someone like her but I prefer someone who isn't beholden to big business.

 

[RCon]

If any of you read "Hard Choices", then you'll

Know that Hillary's main motive has always been the call of public service.

Because she says so? For those who believe she's a serial liar, I don't think that will be good enough.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Well actually, Bill campaigned on health care reform, not Hillary. And Hillary single-handedly ####ed it up by all accounts. Not the best example for you.

I love it - I showed that she actually does care about doing what she's claims and you guys all retort "Yeah, but she's bad at it".

Yeah you're pretty much kidding yourself.

The health care industry is the number 2 payor to Hillary for her speeches. Her campaign just did a fundraiser at Akin Gump which is the leading lobbyist for the health care industry, along with Patton Boggs, which just merged with Akin Gump. The slogan on the invite? "Keeping and revising" the ACA.

She and Bill have been paid by the Advanced Medical Technology Association, Pharmaceutical Care Management Assn, the Biotechnology Industry Organization, Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals, Premier Health Alliance, Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers, California Medical Association, etc. That goes along with all the banks which of course are at the top of their list. That's not campaign donations, that's cash in hand, like Harding Teapot Dome stuff from the 1920s. But you can add in the Foundation payments and the SuperPac and the usual corporate campaign donations. But the cash especially, that's pay to play. Half the money or more they have received in personal payment has been from companies who lobby Congress. Another way to look at it is that in 2014 alone corporations and groups that lobby Congress spent 1/18th of the amount they spent on Congress on Hillary alone, and that doesn't even include what they spent on Bill (or the Foundation or the campaign funding, etc.). This relationship dates back to at least 2006, when Hillary was the no. 2 overall recipient of health care industry campaign donations. Brass knuckle corporations don't hand over their millions like that for a 20 minute powerpoint. They want a return on that investment.

Hillary did not run on health care in 1992, Bill did. If the 1993-94 task for is to be criticized it's that Hillary likely insisted that Bill give her a "real" resume builder instead of dinner and menu planning. The goal there was to advance Hillary's career, not to advance health care. Her other main foray had been the theretofor totally innocuous and unheard of WH travel office, how do you screw that up? Well she managed to, and she did so badly. No, instead of handing that extremely important issue over to the DHH or Congressional leaders he handed it to the first lady. Result? Train wreck. And it was her fault.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If any of you read "Hard Choices", then you'll

Know that Hillary's main motive has always been the call of public service.

Do you know the term "self serving". Hard Choices is the definition of that.

Btw Bill was the one who ran for public office. Hillary never held a public position until she ran for US Senate... after being married to the president of the US.

Hillary took advantage of Bill getting elected state AG and then governor by advancing her career in private legal practice in Little Rock. She was the queen of all rain makers. At one point she was on the board of directors for Wal-Mart. Can you imagine such giving graft? Can you imagine the clients that dragged in? They're playing the same game now, only having flipped the roles.

 

[The Commish]

Well actually, Bill campaigned on health care reform, not Hillary. And Hillary single-handedly ####ed it up by all accounts. Not the best example for you.

I love it - I showed that she actually does care about doing what she's claims and you guys all retort "Yeah, but she's bad at it".

But that's the gig isn't it? Or is it just good enough to be for something with no ability to get that something accomplished?

 

[Johnnymac]

If that cause is Hillary Clinton, maybe. Other than that, she is no true believer. She's only interested in what's best for Hillary.

Which is her becoming President and pursuing the policies she believes in.

She only wants the Presidency because a) she truly believes she's entitled to it it like she's next in line for the throne and b) She can use it to cash in.

She has no altruistic motives whatsoever. Surprised people still think that after all these years.

Cash in what? I wouldn't vote for her either but I have no idea what she would be "cashing in" on.

You are clueless.

Thank you for answering the question.