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Forbes.com ranks the best general managers in sports (1 Viewer)

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The general manager is the most influential and scrutinized position in sports because he decides how the owner's money is spent on players.

Forbes.com's first-ever proprietary look at GMs in the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB grades each GM on two yardsticks. First, there's the performance (regular season winning percentage and postseason wins) during the GM's tenure versus the performance of his predecessor. Second, there's the GM's relative (to the league median) payroll compared with his predecessor's relative payroll.

Only the 98 current GMs with at least three years of service were reviewed. In terms of enhancing the value of a sports franchise, winning is more important than payroll. So we double-weight winning percentage in our scoring to discount GMs (like Mark Shapiro of the Cleveland Indians) who successfully cut costs but in so doing damaged their franchise.

The Timberwolves' McHale has been harshly criticized in the press for not giving superstar Kevin Garnett the supporting cast to win a championship. But McHale has guided the Timberwolves to eight playoff births and a .539 regular season winning percentage--more than double his predecessor’s .244. Winning improvement under McHale has been so great that it offset a 19% rise in salary against the NBA's median payroll during his 11 years as GM.

Another GM who has been under the gun the past few years is Glen Sather of the New York Rangers. Despite a bloated payroll, which topped out at a then NHL record $76.5 million in 2003, Sather has not been able to win a single post-season game in his six years in New York. His No. 12 ranking is attributed to prolonged success in Edmonton, where Sather paired Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier in building an Oilers dynasty that won five Stanley Cups.

There were also some predictable names atop our list. The highest rated baseball GM is Oakland's Billy Beane (No. 26 overall). Beane has been able to capture four division titles and win almost 60% of his games with the small-market A's by developing prospects. Beane has also kept his team’s payroll at 70% of the major league median. Having scouts emphasize statistics like on-base and slugging percentage has allowed Beane to find capable young talent to replace expensive free agent veterans.

Lou Lamoriello of the New Jersey Devils gained acclaim in hockey circles for his ability to put together championship teams with low payrolls. New Jersey's .592 winning percentage in 18 years under Lamoriello is more than twice that of his predecessor and higher than any other team in the NHL's Eastern Conference. Lamoriello has won with a payroll that has been just 75% of the typical hockey team.

Some team owners double as GMs. The success story here is Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys (No. 13), who turned the Cowboys from a has-been to a three-time Super Bowl champion. To his credit, Jones has actually spent less on players, on average, than his league counterparts during his 18-year reign. The failure? Cincinnati Bengals owner and GM Mike Brown (No. 97), who has won half as often as his predecessor, despite outpacing the league's median payroll by 4% since taking over the franchise in 1991.

Interestingly, most of MLB's GMs fall in the middle of the pack. One possible explanation is that baseball's relatively long season and greater yearly payroll fluctuations due to free agency create an unintended balancing effect.

Our rankings compare each general manager to the final three years of his predecessor's tenure in two categories: (1) performance (regular season winning percentage and playoff win totals) and (2) payroll spending (relative to the league median). Performance counts twice as much in our scoring as payroll spending. Scores account for all teams where the GM held the office and are indexed to 100. A score of 120 in winning improvement means the GM won 20% more games than his predecessor. A score of 80 in payroll containment means the GM spent 20% more than the previous GM relative to the league median.

Top 5 NFL GMs

1 A.J. Smith San Diego Chargers

2 Marty Hurney Carolina Panthers

3 Jerry Angelo Chicago Bears

4 Bill Polian Indianapolis Colts

5 Jerry Jones Dallas Cowboys

Bottom 5 NFL GMs

28 Bruce Allen Tampa Bay Buccaneers

29 Ozzie Newsome Baltimore Ravens

30 Matt Millen Detroit Lions

31 Mike Brown Cincinnati Bengals

32 Michael Lombardi Oakland Raiders

The rest here:

http://www.forbes.com/home/2007/03/02/spor..._0302gms_2.html

 
1 Kevin McHale 11 235 81 NBA Minnesota Timberwolves

2 Jay Feaster 3 222 71 NHL Tampa Bay Lightning

3 Billy King 8 215 89 NBA Philadelphia 76ers

*stops reading, deems ranking worthless*

 
When the #1 baseball guy comes in at #26 out of 98 on their list there's a problem with the ranking criteria. It's a good idea, and is probably pretty useful to look at within a single sport, but obviously the cross-sport comparisons aren't working.

Here they are broken out sport by sport:

Billy Beane 9 134 91 Oakland Athletics

Omar Minaya 5 128 109 New York Mets

Theo Epstein 4 132 94 Boston Red Sox

Brian Sabean 10 130 96 San Francisco Giants

Pat Gillick 26 123 85 Philadelphia Phillies

John Schuerholz 23 128 68 Atlanta Braves

Larry Beinfest 5 128 67 Florida Marlins

Walt Jocketty 12 125 70 St. Louis Cardinals

Dave Dombrowski 16 112 110 Detroit Tigers

Mike Flanagan 4 107 118 Baltimore Orioles

Bill Stoneman 8 116 91 Los Angeles Angels

Terry Ryan 12 103 128 Minnesota Twins

Kevin Towers 11 123 59 San Diego Padres

Jim Hendry 5 114 84 Chicago Cubs

Mark Shapiro 5 79 185 Cleveland Indians

Brian Cashman 9 114 78 New York Yankees

Daniel J. O'Dowd 7 95 122 Colorado Rockies

J.P. Ricciardi 5 97 115 Toronto Blue Jays

Ken Williams 6 115 58 Chicago White Sox

Doug Melvin 12 103 86 Milwaukee Brewers

Jim Bowden 12 91 91 Washington Nationals

Dave Littlefield 6 96 66 Pittsburgh Pirates

Bill Bavasi 9 82 103 Seattle Mariners

Kevin McHale 11 235 81 Minnesota Timberwolves

Billy King 8 215 89 Philadelphia 76ers

John Paxson 3 179 76 Chicago Bulls

Geoff Petrie 11 171 85 Sacramento Kings

Joe Dumars 6 155 104 Detroit Pistons

Randy Pfund 10 144 87 Miami Heat

Ernie Grunfeld 15 143 88 Washington Wizards

R.C. Buford 4 124 109 San Antonio Spurs

Jerry West 22 134 79 Memphis Grizzlies

Rick Sund 10 124 101 Seattle Supersonics

Larry Bird 3 126 88 Indiana Pacers

Donnie Nelson 4 129 67 Dallas Mavericks

Rod Thorn 14 120 91 New Jersey Nets

Elgin Baylor 21 103 139 Los Angeles Clippers

Kiki Vandeweghe 5 109 117 Denver Nuggets

John Nash 24 91 127 Portland Trail Blazers

Kevin O'Connor 9 90 102 Utah Jazz

Billy Knight 5 89 102 Atlanta Hawks

Mitch Kupchak 6 85 108 Los Angeles Lakers

Isiah Thomas 5 87 94 New York Knicks

Bernie Bickerstaff 10 96 63 Charlotte Bobcats

Larry Harris 3 73 110 Milwaukee Bucks

Danny Ainge 3 78 93 Boston Celtics

Allan Bristow 4 73 107 New Orleans Hornets

Bryan Colangelo 11 69 99 Toronto Raptors

Carroll Dawson 10 64 92 Houston Rockets

A.J. Smith 4 209 106 San Diego Chargers

Marty Hurney 5 191 91 Carolina Panthers

Jerry Angelo 6 186 93 Chicago Bears

Bill Polian 19 176 101 Indianapolis Colts

Jerry Jones 18 161 102 Dallas Cowboys

Carl Peterson 18 155 103 Kansas City Chiefs

Rich McKay 12 148 96 Atlanta Falcons

Scott Pioli 7 141 113 New England Patriots

Randy Mueller 9 141 101 Miami Dolphins

Kevin Colbert 7 139 100 Pittsburgh Steelers

James Harris 4 134 90 Jacksonville Jaguars

Ernie Accorsi 18 126 104 New York Giants

Ted Sundquist 4 116 108 Denver Broncos

Charley Armey 7 112 96 St. Louis Rams

Mickey Loomis 5 111 92 New Orleans Saints

Rod Graves 4 100 96 Arizona Cardinals

Rob Brzezinski 4 107 68 Minnesota Vikings

Vinny Cerrato 4 89 95 Washington Redskins

Floyd Reese 12 76 127 Tennessee Titans

Bruce Allen 12 82 105 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Ozzie Newsome 4 80 100 Baltimore Ravens

Matt Millen 6 55 104 Detroit Lions

Mike Brown 16 51 96 Cincinnati Bengals

Michael Lombardi 3 37 102 Oakland Raiders

Jay Feaster 3 222 71 Tampa Bay Lightning

Lou Lamoriello 18 202 75 New Jersey Devils

Don Waddell 6 195 88 Atlanta Thrashers

Glen Sather 26 152 131 New York Rangers

Pierre LaCroix 11 172 58 Colorado Avalanche

Jim Rutherford 11 148 98 Carolina Hurricanes

Dave Taylor 8 141 117 Los Angeles Kings

David Poile 23 152 69 Nashville Predators

Bobby Clarke 20 143 65 Philadelphia Flyers

Brian Burke 8 109 132 Anaheim Ducks

Bob Gainey 13 122 85 Montreal Canadiens

Kevin Lowe 15 121 87 Edmonton Oilers

Doug MacLean 4 121 76 Columbus Blue Jackets

Larry Pleau 8 109 102 St. Louis Blues

Mike Keenan 6 114 86 Florida Panthers

Craig Patrick 21 101 116 Pittsburgh Penguins

Darcy Regier 7 104 98 Buffalo Sabres

John Muckler 7 109 83 Ottawa Senators

George McPhee 8 101 86 Washington Capitals

Mike O'Connell 5 102 67 Boston Bruins

Mike Milbury 10 83 119 New York Islanders

Doug Armstrong 3 91 89 Dallas Stars

Mike Barnett 4 84 106 Phoenix Coyotes

Doug Risebrough 9 90 72 Minnesota Wild

Ken Holland 8 84 79 Detroit Red Wings

 
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How old is this list??? Bob Clarke isnt the GM in Philly anymore. I beleive he quite the 3rd week of the season. That was in like October!!

 
I guess the Eagles didn't make the list since Tom Heckert just took over last year, but the Philadelphia front office has been aces. They have mastered the art of dumping a player at his peak and not giving out a big salary to someone about to go into decline. The players they take heat for dumping never have success with their new teams. Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Hugh Douglas, Trotter, Ike Reese, Brian Mitchell, and now Garcia were all let go following stellar seasons, but had no success after leaving. The only guy who left and had success was Derrick Burgess who was an injury magnet as an Eagle, but has been an iron-man with the Raiders.

 
okPioli should be higherAnyone ranked under Matt Millen is a joke.Ken Holland last in Hockey????Horrible rankings
I would think that Ken Holland's ranking is hurt by the fact that Detroit has usually had one of the highest payrolls and that he may not have been the GM of Detroit's previous Stanley Cup championship.
 
1 Kevin McHale 11 235 81 NBA Minnesota Timberwolves

2 Jay Feaster 3 222 71 NHL Tampa Bay Lightning

3 Billy King 8 215 89 NBA Philadelphia 76ers

*stops reading, deems ranking worthless*
:thumbup: King in top 100 is horrible... top 3 is a fable , not to be taken serious.

I fit was not for ed Snyder being a nice guy , King would have packed his bags a long time ago...hell the 76ers hired Larry Brown to help King..!!

 
I don't see how Ozzie gets bottom 5 either.
I was very curious about that as well. Also can't figure out how Hurney is rated higher than Polian/Angelo. Polian got plenty of criticism for some of his moves when he had some very tough choices and he got the last laugh by winning it all. Seems like Polian should be #1 at the moment.
 
1 Kevin McHale 11 235 81 NBA Minnesota Timberwolves

2 Jay Feaster 3 222 71 NHL Tampa Bay Lightning

3 Billy King 8 215 89 NBA Philadelphia 76ers

*stops reading, deems ranking worthless*
:shrug: Maybe they should have had somebody with 2 ounces of common sense examine the forumla
 
Matt Millen has to be last regardless of criteria...maybe the worst in history in all sports.

And aside from football...Ken Holland LAST in hockey? That makes a mockery of the entire list.

 
What Forbes did is so subjective and involves so many uneven playing fields, you have to wonder why they even bothered to go there. Maybe they did a demographic study of their readership and found out not enough sports fans were buying their magazine.

Too many variables here. Big markets, small markets, sports with salary caps, sports without, etc. Plus, there are a lot of "committee situations" where there may not be a clear-cut GM OR the person who is designated the GM is actually just a figurehead for a powerful decision-making owner. And if so, how does Forbes know who is really pulling the strings when it comes to managing the franchise?

So, what next? Will Sports Illustratedattempt to rank the best writers for publications on finance? I, for one, can't wait. It may rival the swimsuit issue for popularity. :shrug:

 
Scott Pioli is absolutely a top 5 GM.

Ozzie Newsome is in NO WAY a bottom 5 GM, that guy makes great draft/personel decisions all the freaking time. How many Pro-Bowlers has he drafted in round 1? Like all of them except Kyle Boller and Mark Clayton, right?

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Anyone ranked under Matt Millen is a joke.
Mike Brown has a much more impressive portfolio of putrid than Matt Millen.Matt Millen's mistakes are just fresher in everybody's minds.
 
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Ray Shero is the Pens GM and has been well before this season started. This article is posted March 2nd this year these guys don't have a clue.

 
Ray Shero is the Pens GM and has been well before this season started. This article is posted March 2nd this year these guys don't have a clue.
They also still have Milbury listed. And they don't list Ferguson, even though he has been GM for three years, as per their criteria.
 
Our rankings compare each general manager to the final three years of his predecessor's tenure
this is a very flawed way to evaluate a GM.
Exactly. 1) The last 3 years of a predecessor's tenure were more likely than not bad or he would not have been fired.2) Assuming it is a rare case where they weren't bad, the new GM is either going to have to do an even better job or his work is considered a failure.3) Any system that gives Matt Millen bonus points by comparing him to the last Lions GM rather than the rest of the current league is just flawed.
 
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This is a great example of a "statistical analysis" that is doomed from the very start. The criteria by which they try to define a successful GM lead them to a result which, even if you're a casual sports fan, doesn't hold up.

 
In the NFL who cares how much a GM spent?

Having Ozzie in the bottom 5 of that list is a joke. Teams just shelled out $75 million for three teams he drafted in rounds 4, 5 and 6.

 
In the NFL who cares how much a GM spent?

Having Ozzie in the bottom 5 of that list is a joke. Teams just shelled out $75 million for three teams he drafted in rounds 4, 5 and 6.
and Kemo and Weaver last year...hartwell a couple yrs ago--it goes on and onturns out his "Player Personel" days from '96-'01 weren't counted...they only started counting his tenure in the year of the purge, '02---which puts him in pretty dim light for that period

their high hit rate w/#1's is 2nd-to-none...what I'd like to see in the not too distant future is a home playoff win! :rolleyes:

 
In the NFL who cares how much a GM spent?

Having Ozzie in the bottom 5 of that list is a joke. Teams just shelled out $75 million for three teams he drafted in rounds 4, 5 and 6.
and Kemo and Weaver last year...hartwell a couple yrs ago--it goes on and onturns out his "Player Personel" days from '96-'01 weren't counted...they only started counting his tenure in the year of the purge, '02---which puts him in pretty dim light for that period

their high hit rate w/#1's is 2nd-to-none...what I'd like to see in the not too distant future is a home playoff win! :yawn:
When I saw that ranking, I figured they didn't count the years where he was running the show but did not have the title of "GM." What also goes along with that timing is that the years prior to him being "GM" were mostly the leaner "Art Modell Years" and he's now playing with Steve Bisciotti's big fat checkbook, so he's probably getting killed in the payroll portion of this fomula because he's spending money his owner likely doesn't mind him spending.Given the nature of the NFL salary cap, the payroll portion of this evaluation is really misguided.

 
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A.J. Smith is a quality GM but this list is horrible.

Kevin McHale is the best GM in all of sports? :goodposting: McHale wouldn't even make my top 50.

 
Our rankings compare each general manager to the final three years of his predecessor's tenure
this is a very flawed way to evaluate a GM.
:confused:Basically, they're being ranked on how badly their predecessor sucked. Kevin McHale's predecessor was atrocious, so McHale is rated highly just for rising to the level of medicre. Ozzie Newsome's predecessor (himself, really, just without the GM title) was great, so Newsome is rated poorly for being merely good. That's just absurd. How did this even pass a smell test?
 
Top 5 NFL GMs

1 A.J. Smith San Diego Chargers

2 Marty Hurney Carolina Panthers

3 Jerry Angelo Chicago Bears

4 Bill Polian Indianapolis Colts

5 Jerry Jones Dallas Cowboys

ummmmm.................. :hot:

Bottom 5 NFL GMs

28 Bruce Allen Tampa Bay Buccaneers

29 Ozzie Newsome Baltimore Ravens

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm.............. :unsure:

30 Matt Millen Detroit Lions

31 Mike Brown Cincinnati Bengals

32 Michael Lombardi Oakland Raiders
Now switch Ozzie and Jerry on the top and bottom 5's and maybe the list is a start. Whoever wrote this is an idiot if he thinks Ozzie Newsome is bottom 5 in the NFL. I'd like this guy to look at the Super Bowl they won, their pretty consistent good records, and all the friggin HOF'ers and multiple Pro Bowlers he's drafted. This from often late in the first round or late in the draft. The day I own an NFL franchise is the day I start calling Newsome every ten minutes with offers to come run my club. And Jerry Jones? Gimme a break! I guess we found out who the "brains" behind the Cowboys dynasty was when Jerry let Jimmy go. Sure, Jerry's puppet, Switzer, won a Super Bowl with Jimmy's players but after Jimmy's fingerprints faded, so did the team. Faded isn't the word, sucked is. For many years. It wasn't until Jerry swallowed his pride and brought in yet another HOF coach, Parcells, who demanded a ton of power to do things his way, that the team returned to respectability.

I'm sure pretty much everyone would be in agreeance with me here.

 
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I realize that they want these lists to stir up debate. And they don't have the guts to do a subjective ranking, so they have to come up with some sort of formula. I'm fine with that.

But this list is so bad, it should never have made it to print. Somebody needed to look at the list and say "guys, we need to tweak the formula a bit here, let's try it again next issue".

 
A.J. Smith 4 209 106 San Diego Chargers

Marty Hurney 5 191 91 Carolina Panthers

I'm a Panthers homer and I'd generally agree that Hurney is a pretty good G.M. but the Cats have really bombed on draft picks the last couple of years.

Jerry Angelo 6 186 93 Chicago Bears

Bill Polian 19 176 101 Indianapolis Colts

Jerry Jones 18 161 102 Dallas Cowboys

Carl Peterson 18 155 103 Kansas City Chiefs

Rich McKay 12 148 96 Atlanta Falcons

Scott Pioli 7 141 113 New England Patriots

Alrighty then. That the Patriots have chiseled out a dynasty, a really rockin' dynasty, perhaps the first one in the real salary cap era and Pioli is ranked 8th is a complete joke. :rolleyes:

Randy Mueller 9 141 101 Miami Dolphins

Kevin Colbert 7 139 100 Pittsburgh Steelers

James Harris 4 134 90 Jacksonville Jaguars

Ernie Accorsi 18 126 104 New York Giants

Ted Sundquist 4 116 108 Denver Broncos

Charley Armey 7 112 96 St. Louis Rams

Mickey Loomis 5 111 92 New Orleans Saints

Isn't this the same guy they've had for years? I think I'm giving most all the credit for the Saints' awesome 2006 to Sean Payton. He was the architect of this team. Before this year, what did the Saints do? What have they ever done? :thumbdown:

Rod Graves 4 100 96 Arizona Cardinals

The cardinals have had what, 1 winning season in the last 40 years? Are you kidding me??????

Rob Brzezinski 4 107 68 Minnesota Vikings

Vinny Cerrato 4 89 95 Washington Redskins

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: The Skins are the richest team in the NFL. They have billionaire toolbox for an owner who is willing to spend whatever it takes to get a winner. He also doesn't know football. Are you saying the team with the most money in the NFL can't put up a winner? Any G/M or draft guru will tell you that the "general managing" in the Redskins franchise is the

BIGGEST

JOKE IN THE NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Floyd Reese 12 76 127 Tennessee Titans

Best drafter of criminal turds in the NFL tied with the Bengals. Also, Jeff Fisher helps that franchise out bunches!!!!!

Bruce Allen 12 82 105 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jon Gruden stooge. Really love how they sign every 38 year old in the league and get themselves in salary cap hell because of it. Gruden's a great coach but he'd have been smart to have kept a great G.M., McKay. Seems a McKay disciple, Angello, did pretty well this year too.

Ozzie Newsome 4 80 100 Baltimore Ravens

Matt Millen 6 55 104 Detroit Lions

I can't think of the words.

Mike Brown 16 51 96 Cincinnati Bengals

Enjoys pushing himself to see how many convicts he can get on his team. Before Marvin showed up, the Bengals were really good.

Michael Lombardi 3 37 102 Oakland Raiders

What, you get credit for being by far the ####tiest team the league has seen in years and years and years......???????????
OK. :thumbup:
 

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