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Force Out Rule eliminated (1 Viewer)
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Weiner Dog
Footballguy
My bet it's simply an incomplete pass since the defender will not be touching the ball or separating the receiver from the ball. I could be wrong...
Rozelle
Moderator
Too lazy to go back and look, but under the old rule, did the DB get credit for a tackle?
houndirish
Footballguy
Not to hijack but I love this rule change. I thought it was crap that this rule was ever put in place. If a receiver's going to run a sideline route, the corner should be able to force him out of bounds to prevent a completion. Way too many rules have been put in place to favor the receivers. I'm thrilled to see this one trashcanned. Not to mention it wasn't reviewable and the refs screwed it up consistently.
I also feel, if you force a receiver outta bounds before he can get the feet down, you defended a pass.
rotorooter
Footballguy
I like the rule change too but it would be funny to see a 5'8 #165 Wr caught in the air and picked up and carried out of bounds by a #270 LB 
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
It will have very very very little to no impact on fantasy football, as the force out was rarely called. At most, you will lose points from a tackle. They get remembered because there were so few of them.
Pipes
Footballguy
I think it will have a pretty big fantasy impact. Not necessarily on the defensive side but some WR's could take a hit. It seems force outs are quite common on TD passes and teams may have to change how the run the fade route around the goalline. They can still run it but won't have quite as much room to pull it off.The Man With No Name said:
Rozelle
Moderator
Boston.com Mike Reiss | Football notesEliminating the force-out call by officials. The force-out is when officials allow a catch if a player is deemed to have been forced out of bounds without the chance to get two feet down in the field of play.
Rich McKay, cochair of the competition committee, estimated that there were 15 force-out calls in 2007. The feeling is that there are so many levels of judgment that go into the force-out call that it's best to eliminate it. If a receiver does not get two feet down in the field of play, the only call an official could make to grant a catch is if the player is "held up and carried" out of bounds.
TUNNEY: "This will make it easier on officials - any time you can eliminate judgment calls, that's good - but my concern is if it takes an advantage away from a receiver who made a good play. This is an area in which the game has changed. You used to have players like Ray Berry and Boyd Dowler who didn't do catching on the sidelines, they were over the middle. Now, defensive guys are much faster so offensive guys are playing to the sideline, where only the receiver can get it. My question would be: Does this hurt the receiver's ability to make plays?"
Only 15 in 2007, I'm surprised thats all there were, I would have guessed 30-40. I'm not sure how much of an impact it will have. Offenses will have to make some adjustments. The sideline won't quite be the safe haven it's been for the QB/WR.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
They addressed that.rotorooter said:I like the rule change too but it would be funny to see a 5'8 #165 Wr caught in the air and picked up and carried out of bounds by a #270 LB
obxlegends
Footballguy
My best guess is that McKay was referring to 15 plays for touchdowns. Much like yourself, I thought the number would be closer to 30-40 total plays.
massraider
Footballguy
I think the number of times this is actually an issue will be very, very small.
Rozelle
Moderator
So anyone else think ... when a defensive player forces a receiver out, he should be credited with a PD (pass defensed)? I think it's wrong to only credit a PD when you get your hands on the ball. A jarring hit, that knocks the ball lose, force outs, has the same result as slapping ball out of hands and deflections. All are good plays in which an incompleted pass is caused by a defensive player.
Here's Wikipedia take on PD:
In American football a Pass deflected, also known as a Pass defensed, is an incomplete pass that is caused by a defensive player. This is done by slapping or blocking the ball, and is an important statistic for determining a defensive back's effectiveness. An interception is like a deflected passes, but the defender actually catches it in an interception.
Is PD an official NFL statistic?
Here's Wikipedia take on PD:
In American football a Pass deflected, also known as a Pass defensed, is an incomplete pass that is caused by a defensive player. This is done by slapping or blocking the ball, and is an important statistic for determining a defensive back's effectiveness. An interception is like a deflected passes, but the defender actually catches it in an interception.
Is PD an official NFL statistic?
Red Herring
Footballguy
Rozelle
Moderator
On NFL.com, pass defensed appears to be an official stat, although I don't know what the requirements are for a defender to be credited with a PD. If I'm not mistaken it depends on how the home team's statistician scores it.
This is correct. This is what gives Buffalo and Philly DBs a little extra value.
Your pretty much in the same boat with tackles/assist.
Arizona scores alot of PD's, and so does Green Bay.
FF aside, if this is an important statistic for determining a defensive back's effectiveness, as Wikipedia suggest, hopefully it will be scored consistent (an incomplete pass that is caused by a defensive player).
PD's can really tell you about the play of the FS. When you have FS puttin' up 20 a year (Atogwe, Hamlin & Reed), you know their back there makin some plays.
This is correct. This is what gives Buffalo and Philly DBs a little extra value.
Your pretty much in the same boat with tackles/assist.
Arizona scores alot of PD's, and so does Green Bay.
FF aside, if this is an important statistic for determining a defensive back's effectiveness, as Wikipedia suggest, hopefully it will be scored consistent (an incomplete pass that is caused by a defensive player).
PD's can really tell you about the play of the FS. When you have FS puttin' up 20 a year (Atogwe, Hamlin & Reed), you know their back there makin some plays.
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Lash
Footballguy
the way a DB will defend sideline passes now WILL change
they will be taught to drive through the hip of the leaping WR instead of attacking the ball, it will be a practiced skill, and will somewhat eliminate the DB from turning and finding the ball in some cases (if you are beat time the WRs leap and drive to sideline)
it's a game-changing rulechange, HUGE defensive help here
they will be taught to drive through the hip of the leaping WR instead of attacking the ball, it will be a practiced skill, and will somewhat eliminate the DB from turning and finding the ball in some cases (if you are beat time the WRs leap and drive to sideline)
it's a game-changing rulechange, HUGE defensive help here
