Ford Motor Company (1 Viewer)

[jonessed]

As long as it costs American car manufacturers more to produce their cars there will be better deals available from foreign companies. They would have to build the holy grail of cars to compete under current conditions.

 

[Chadstroma]

crappy cars + hybrid = crappy hybrid cars.Let me know when they stop making POS vehicles and maybe i'll buy American again

It takes year for perception to change. It used to be every *** car was considered crappy or junk. Ford is making a much better product now and hopefully time will change peoples perceptions.

I honestly don't know what he's talking about here. The Escape Hybrid has been knocked for interior(and I agree, I've been inside them) but as far as the mechanic reliability of the car I'd be curious to see if he can justify calling it "crappy". From what I've seen they have been very reliable and get better gas mileage than any of the Japanese SUV hybrids, and this coming from someone that was really looking forward to the Highlander Hybrid before it was released.

virtually all major automakers now produce "reliable" vehicles. Sure YMMV based on what you are doing to, or inside of your, car. But, in general, cars today do the basics very well. I'm talking design, innovation, amenities, extras, and the coherence and reliability of those things. When i sit inside my VW, my Audi, or my Acura, i like the car. I like the thought that has gone into very small details. I like that all the extras come together in a coherent product that works well. When I sit in the wife's US made car it just seems like they took a bunch of decent ideas, crammed them into the vehicle, and then put a cheap plastic casing around everything. The tolerances are despicable, details are overlooked, and components do not mesh very well.

Just trying to understand your position here. Are you casting ALL US made cars based on the experiences of your wife's car? You were very stingey with the details above and did a good job of being very vague. Can you give some examples of what you are talking about?? I ask these questions because I am a Ford owner and feel the exact same way about foreign trucks that you feel about domestic cars.

I honestly think that the American cars from any of the big three are usually pretty much crap. Even the one's that I like, say the Mustang, seem to have a 'cheap' interior that almost seems like it will break if you look at it wrong while the foreign cars tend to be better made. Does that still apply to the mechanics of the car? I have no idea. But as for trucks, give me a Ford (well... up until they remade the F-150 and now I think it is very ugly) or Chevy over what seems like plastic toy trucks from the foreign makers. A friend got the Titan (that is the Nissan big truck, right?) and I rode in it in the few months he had it before trading it in for a different car. I would not have bought it and laughed at him for buying the Titan as I waved him off and got into my F-150. I have not seen the Toyota big size truck in person but the smaller trucks were always very 'plastic' to me. I did have a Nissan Dessert Runner before my Ranger before my F-150. The Nissan was a decent lil' truck and nothing bad about it that I remember. My Ranger did have a moronic arm rest that broke (the engineering on that was just bad) but other than that, I loved my Ranger and I have had my F-150 since 2005 and love it with nothing bad to say about it at all... well... maybe that $450 to get a mirror fixed is just stupid..... but other than that, I can not see trading my F-150 in for a Nissan or Toyota version.

I can see this. The reality is, our cars cost more because of decisions made by the auto makers and the premium packages aren't one's typically sent to the dealerships "stock". We have to pay extra for the nicer things in a car. That's a difference I see, but it doesn't speak to the potential quality. I've been in some "limited edition" vehicles that were VERY nice. The standard edition of the same car (w/o the bells and whistles) has a completely different feel.

That makes sense... going back to the Mustang... a buddy of mine had one and it just felt so very cheap. Then again, it was basically a base model. I test drove a Mustang Mach 3 and besides loving the power and handeling I remember the inside being pretty solid or at least having that feel. But I think this is a failure in branding. A smart thing to do would be to seperate your brands. Yes, there is a place for base 'cheaper' cars but the problem is that those cars leave impressions about your whole brand. It would be smart to have Ford models be solid cars... the nicer things so to speak while having your cheaper cars the Mercury brand. So instead of using Fiesta's as a Ford brand you make it a Mercury brand and then protect the major brand but still provide some cars to a market. Then with a Mustang type of car, don't water it down to the point that one model is a Fiesta's cousin while the other seems to be a whole different car. Further, I have heard it a million times and even comments on shows like Top Gear, where the plastic feel of some cars... Top Gear was talking about the Jag's obvious Ford contributions of some plastic bean counter type additions... makes the entire feel cheap and hence possibly mechanically unreliable- be it real or not. Perception of the consumer is all important.

Wow, you must have one type of in at ford by getting to test drive a Mach 3, considering there were only 2 of that concept car built.

I meant Mach 1.

 

[Nugget]

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Please give Ford an honest look. I truly believe you'll be surprised by the quality, fit and finsih, and value the vehicles have. We are trying to differentiate ourselves from GM and Chrysler, and your support will help.

Thank you for your time and consideration

 

[The Duff Man]

Please stop by a Ford dealership and checkout the new vehicles. I think most will be pleasantly surprised. The new product is outstanding. I'm OK with whatever you choose to buy, but I think you owe it to yourself to kick some tires at your local Ford store.

Also check out Ford Drive One for how Ford is making better, safer, and environmentally friendly vehicles.

♫ "It's tiiiiiiime to drive a Ford again.... drive a Ford again!" ♫

♫ This is our country ♫Wait...is this going to be the end of those ads?! Because that would be a shame.

 

[Johnny Detroit]

on the crappy quality statement. granted, some obscure web site study is not exactly a "head turner", but if you research Consumer Report or JD Power the new generation ford vehicles rank higher than europeans and are on par with the japanese.

mind you i come from a ford family but drive a caddy and the wife a traverse. i am three vehicles removed from my last ford purchase, but do feel they get a bad rap based off the crap in the past.

i do concede the interior issues. even when comparing my caddy sts with my friends new lincoln, the inside is not even close. too much cheap looking plastic in what should be a luxury car.

 

[igbomb]

I'll keep buying American cars as long as they make them. I realize this might add a few more repair bills and a couple extra cars over a lifetime but it's the least I can do.

You do realize that Toyota and Honda are way more American built that any of the Big 3 right?I can't stand the perception of Japanese cars and American cars. That is so outdated thinking.Toyota, Honda, and now even Hyundai are all made right here in the grand ole USA.Meanwhile the Big 3 keep moving to Mexico and other 3rd world countries.It's America so we're all free to buy whatever we like, but at least you should know what "American" cars means before doing so.

While it's true that all of the car companies are very international, it is still complete garbage to suggest that Toyota or Honda is MORE American than the big three. While the gap isn't what it used to be, the American car producers build more of their cars in the US, use more suppliers from the US, and provide many more jobs in the US. Enough with the lies.

 

[Irish]

crappy cars + hybrid = crappy hybrid cars.Let me know when they stop making POS vehicles and maybe i'll buy American again

I've owned many Fords and some other brands and even a couple foreign vehicles. The Fords for the most part were the best vehicles I have owned, except for the POS Windstar my wife wanted. Every car manufacturer has flawed models and they also have stalwart models that have been selling great for years. It is up to the consumer to make a wise decision.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Basically, the company gathered roughly 300,000 online opinions about midsize cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Honda and Toyota. The data was pulled from such sites such as Auto Mall USA, Edmunds.com, IntelliChoice.com and Yahoo Autos from Oct. 31, 2007 through Nov. 1, 2008.

Well, that sounds like a reliable "study". About as reliable as a car from one of the big three American automakers

What problem do you have with it?

 

[Al Czervik]

Basically, the company gathered roughly 300,000 online opinions about midsize cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Honda and Toyota. The data was pulled from such sites such as Auto Mall USA, Edmunds.com, IntelliChoice.com and Yahoo Autos from Oct. 31, 2007 through Nov. 1, 2008.

Well, that sounds like a reliable "study". About as reliable as a car from one of the big three American automakers

What problem do you have with it?

Yeah, not sure how you can automatically discount 300,000 responses from shoppers on the top in-market automotive shopping sites.

 

[SofaKings]

Basically, the company gathered roughly 300,000 online opinions about midsize cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Honda and Toyota. The data was pulled from such sites such as Auto Mall USA, Edmunds.com, IntelliChoice.com and Yahoo Autos from Oct. 31, 2007 through Nov. 1, 2008.

Well, that sounds like a reliable "study". About as reliable as a car from one of the big three American automakers

What problem do you have with it?

Yeah, not sure how you can automatically discount 300,000 responses from shoppers on the top in-market automotive shopping sites.

It's all about fitting a survey into their wrong perception of the Big 3.

 

[Al Czervik]

Basically, the company gathered roughly 300,000 online opinions about midsize cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Honda and Toyota. The data was pulled from such sites such as Auto Mall USA, Edmunds.com, IntelliChoice.com and Yahoo Autos from Oct. 31, 2007 through Nov. 1, 2008.

Well, that sounds like a reliable "study". About as reliable as a car from one of the big three American automakers

What problem do you have with it?

Yeah, not sure how you can automatically discount 300,000 responses from shoppers on the top in-market automotive shopping sites.

It's all about fitting a survey into their wrong perception of the Big 3.

Yeah, I think that is a pretty good example of the big problem. So many people have a false perception which runs so deep that they will argue against any information that goes against their beliefs.

 

[Chadstroma]

After praising my F-150.... it might be broke. My 4X is only switching to 4X High and will not go into 4X Low. Last winter I had a similiar situation where when I parked for the night in very cold weather in 4X High and then drove the next morning, it was stuck in 4X High and I could not get it into normal. I am hoping it is just the cold but even so, it is irriatating.

 

[Nugget]

The new 2009 F-150 is the safest truck ever. America's Safest Full-Size Pickup

Now if only they would advertise the truck on ESPN...

 

[Chadstroma]

The new 2009 F-150 is the safest truck ever. America's Safest Full-Size Pickup

Now if only they would advertise the truck on ESPN...

It seems that something else has gone haywire on my F-150. The 'lights on' or 'keys in the ignition' beeper goes off now all the time even when the lights are fine and the keys are in your hand. My appreciation of my F-150 is dropping very quickly. I think I might just never buy another American company car/truck ever again as long as they use union labor.

Top Gear had a segment on why Brits do not buy the best selling vehicle in the world, the F-150. It was hard to say anything that they pointed out that were negatives were wrong.

 

[snitwitch]

Basically, the company gathered roughly 300,000 online opinions about midsize cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Honda and Toyota. The data was pulled from such sites such as Auto Mall USA, Edmunds.com, IntelliChoice.com and Yahoo Autos from Oct. 31, 2007 through Nov. 1, 2008.

Well, that sounds like a reliable "study". About as reliable as a car from one of the big three American automakers

What problem do you have with it?

Yeah, not sure how you can automatically discount 300,000 responses from shoppers on the top in-market automotive shopping sites.

It's all about fitting a survey into their wrong perception of the Big 3.

Sofa -- is it your sense that Ford is going to survive this economic meltdown and come out of it in a better position than the other "big 2"?

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

the issue is not who makes a reliable, fuel-efficient car at the best price. the issue is who makes a profit making a reliable, fuel-efficient car.

look, ford could make gold-plated cars that give you gas back when you drive them, but that still would not make them a good company unless they could sell them at a profit.

the problem, folks, is that the big three can not sell their cars at a good enough price to stay solvent. the reason is it costs them so much more to make them than foreign producers. their problems have nothing to do with quality and everything to do with bad business practices and restrictive labor union mandates.

hey, if you want to overpay for a product just because it is made in the U.S., more power to you.....i am going to be intelligent and buy the best bang for my buck and let the companies that are horribly run go under.

 

[The Flying Turtle]

the issue is not who makes a reliable, fuel-efficient car at the best price. the issue is who makes a profit making a reliable, fuel-efficient car.look, ford could make gold-plated cars that give you gas back when you drive them, but that still would not make them a good company unless they could sell them at a profit.the problem, folks, is that the big three can not sell their cars at a good enough price to stay solvent. the reason is it costs them so much more to make them than foreign producers. their problems have nothing to do with quality and everything to do with bad business practices and restrictive labor union mandates.hey, if you want to overpay for a product just because it is made in the U.S., more power to you.....i am going to be intelligent and buy the best bang for my buck and let the companies that are horribly run go under.

It has more to do with cost of medical insurance and support of retirees, neither of which Toyota has (small number of retirees with no pensions and national healthcare). If the government takes over the pension obligation like it did with United airlines and insurance costs became more manageable (or we get national heath care) the cost of the average GM vehicle would drop $1800.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?

I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".

Thoughts?

 

[Birdie048]

My brother works at Ford. He used to own a dealership, but has moved on since then in the company. Hard to tell exactly what he does now.

Anyway.... Ford has $23 Billion debt which looks bad on paper, but they also have $18 B in Cash and $3 B is assets. Not a bad situation to be in since they did alot of restructure these last 2 years when they saw the problems coming. They knew they had to change or it was over.

They are in the strongest financial position of the Big 3. There are rumors that Ford is trying to buy Jeep from Chrysler. They have been trying to get it for years but have not been able to get it away from them. Maybe now it will go down -- don't know....

I agree that the Union helped create this problem, but they are not the sole responsible party for this sistuation. Mgt has to take it's fair share of the blame. Hold them accountable for the errors of their ways too!!

 

[Al Czervik]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Yes, Ford was down 32% last month. Along with everyone else. Ford -32%GM -31%Chrysler -53%Toyota -37%Honda -35%Nissan -31%Industry -35%

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Want to support Ford Motor Company?

Not really.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Yes, Ford was down 32% last month. Along with everyone else. Ford -32%GM -31%Chrysler -53%Toyota -37%Honda -35%Nissan -31%Industry -35%

Ford was barely breaking even before their sales were down 32%. GM might as well have been shoveling money into a furnace. Down 32% for Ford is worse than down 37% for Toyota.

 

[The Flying Turtle]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Yes, Ford was down 32% last month. Along with everyone else. Ford -32%GM -31%Chrysler -53%Toyota -37%Honda -35%Nissan -31%Industry -35%

Ford was barely breaking even before their sales were down 32%. GM might as well have been shoveling money into a furnace. Down 32% for Ford is worse than down 37% for Toyota.

This must be that new fuzzy math. In my mind 37% is worse than 32%. Especially when Toyota makes a lot more cars than Ford.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Yes, Ford was down 32% last month. Along with everyone else. Ford -32%GM -31%Chrysler -53%Toyota -37%Honda -35%Nissan -31%Industry -35%

Ford was barely breaking even before their sales were down 32%. GM might as well have been shoveling money into a furnace. Down 32% for Ford is worse than down 37% for Toyota.

This must be that new fuzzy math. In my mind 37% is worse than 32%. Especially when Toyota makes a lot more cars than Ford.

Here's some fuzzy math for you.In 2007 Toyota made $17B.In 2007 Ford lost $2.7B.I'll save GM the embarrassment of posting their 2007 losses.Tell me which one can take a 30% sales hit better?ETA: Also just noticed you're another of the (ex)Michigan FBGs trying to talk the Big 3 up as much as possible. Never fails.

 

[Al Czervik]

ETA: Also just noticed you're another of the (ex)Michigan FBGs trying to talk the Big 3 up as much as possible. Never fails.

Dude, you show up in every thread that presents an opportunity to bash the Big 3. Just like there are bashers like you, there are supporters like us. Deal with it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

ETA: Also just noticed you're another of the (ex)Michigan FBGs trying to talk the Big 3 up as much as possible. Never fails.

:( Dude, you show up in every thread that presents an opportunity to bash the Big 3. Just like there are bashers like you, there are supporters like us. Deal with it.

 

[The Flying Turtle]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Yes, Ford was down 32% last month. Along with everyone else. Ford -32%GM -31%Chrysler -53%Toyota -37%Honda -35%Nissan -31%Industry -35%

Ford was barely breaking even before their sales were down 32%. GM might as well have been shoveling money into a furnace. Down 32% for Ford is worse than down 37% for Toyota.

This must be that new fuzzy math. In my mind 37% is worse than 32%. Especially when Toyota makes a lot more cars than Ford.

Here's some fuzzy math for you.In 2007 Toyota made $17B.In 2007 Ford lost $2.7B.I'll save GM the embarrassment of posting their 2007 losses.Tell me which one can take a 30% sales hit better?ETA: Also just noticed you're another of the (ex)Michigan FBGs trying to talk the Big 3 up as much as possible. Never fails.

You didn't say Toyota can take the hit better, you said a 32% loss is worse than a 37% loss. Percentage wise you are wrong, unit wise you are wrong since Toyota sold more vehicles.

 

[SofaKings]

Basically, the company gathered roughly 300,000 online opinions about midsize cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Honda and Toyota. The data was pulled from such sites such as Auto Mall USA, Edmunds.com, IntelliChoice.com and Yahoo Autos from Oct. 31, 2007 through Nov. 1, 2008.

Well, that sounds like a reliable "study". About as reliable as a car from one of the big three American automakers

What problem do you have with it?

Yeah, not sure how you can automatically discount 300,000 responses from shoppers on the top in-market automotive shopping sites.

It's all about fitting a survey into their wrong perception of the Big 3.

Sofa -- is it your sense that Ford is going to survive this economic meltdown and come out of it in a better position than the other "big 2"?

Yes. Ford began it's downsizing earlier(when they got rid of Nasser and Mulally has only expedited the process) than the other two and is in much better position financially. Not that that is saying a lot but I think they will come out stronger and leaner.

 

[SofaKings]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Yes, Ford was down 32% last month. Along with everyone else. Ford -32%GM -31%Chrysler -53%Toyota -37%Honda -35%Nissan -31%Industry -35%

Ford was barely breaking even before their sales were down 32%. GM might as well have been shoveling money into a furnace. Down 32% for Ford is worse than down 37% for Toyota.

This must be that new fuzzy math. In my mind 37% is worse than 32%. Especially when Toyota makes a lot more cars than Ford.

Here's some fuzzy math for you.In 2007 Toyota made $17B.In 2007 Ford lost $2.7B.I'll save GM the embarrassment of posting their 2007 losses.Tell me which one can take a 30% sales hit better?ETA: Also just noticed you're another of the (ex)Michigan FBGs trying to talk the Big 3 up as much as possible. Never fails.

You didn't say Toyota can take the hit better, you said a 32% loss is worse than a 37% loss.

l2r

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

 

[SofaKings]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

I don't work at Ford, nor do I have family at Ford.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

I don't work at Ford, nor do I have family at Ford.

Not surprisingly, you dodged the other stuff.

 

[SofaKings]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

I don't work at Ford, nor do I have family at Ford.

Not surprisingly, you dodged the other stuff.

30% is plenty of loss. Can they keep those losses up indefinitely? Of course not. Will those losses continue to be that large? Perhaps. Tough to say. Winter is traditionally the weakest period for automakers and they forecast accordingly...but I'm sure you already knew that.

 

[JAA]

the issue is not who makes a reliable, fuel-efficient car at the best price. the issue is who makes a profit making a reliable, fuel-efficient car.

look, ford could make gold-plated cars that give you gas back when you drive them, but that still would not make them a good company unless they could sell them at a profit.

the problem, folks, is that the big three can not sell their cars at a good enough price to stay solvent. the reason is it costs them so much more to make them than foreign producers. their problems have nothing to do with quality and everything to do with bad business practices and restrictive labor union mandates.

hey, if you want to overpay for a product just because it is made in the U.S., more power to you.....i am going to be intelligent and buy the best bang for my buck and let the companies that are horribly run go under.

It has more to do with cost of medical insurance and support of retirees, neither of which Toyota has (small number of retirees with no pensions and national healthcare). If the government takes over the pension obligation like it did with United airlines and insurance costs became more manageable (or we get national heath care) the cost of the average GM vehicle would drop $1800 and I still wouldnt buy them

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[Al Czervik]

So what do you do at Ford?

KRS- you have made this statement in many threads like this. I think most have been very clear that they do or do not work for the Big 3.However, who do you work for? What do you do?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So what do you do at Ford?

KRS- you have made this statement in many threads like this. I think most have been very clear that they do or do not work for the Big 3.However, who do you work for? What do you do?

I'm guessing Toyota.

 

[The Flying Turtle]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

Did Toyota make a profit in the 4th quarter of 2008? I have not seen the numbers.I do not work for any of the Big 3, but I am amazed by the people that want these companies to fail. The number of people that would be affected is too large to comprehend.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

So what do you do at Ford?

KRS- you have made this statement in many threads like this. I think most have been very clear that they do or do not work for the Big 3.However, who do you work for? What do you do?

Nothing to do with the auto industry whatsoever. Although according to some, some guy in Alaska who makes fishing poles for a living will lose his job if GM doesn't get a bailout. So maybe I work for them and don't know.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

Did Toyota make a profit in the 4th quarter of 2008? I have not seen the numbers.I do not work for any of the Big 3, but I am amazed by the people that want these companies to fail. The number of people that would be affected is too large to comprehend.

I want companies to fail that should fail since it will make things better for us overall.ETA: Toyota is forecasting a loss for 2008.

 

[SofaKings]

Have to admire the "tough love" argument.

 

[The Flying Turtle]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

Did Toyota make a profit in the 4th quarter of 2008? I have not seen the numbers.I do not work for any of the Big 3, but I am amazed by the people that want these companies to fail. The number of people that would be affected is too large to comprehend.

I want companies to fail that should fail since it will make things better for us overall.

You complain about people selectively answering posts, yet you still do so yourself when convenient. Was Toyota profitable in Q4 2008?Can you please let me know what companies should fail? United AirlinesFannie Mae / Freddie MacAIGUS Government

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I want companies to fail that should fail since it will make things better for us overall.

You must have been be a big fan of The Great Depression.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

Did Toyota make a profit in the 4th quarter of 2008? I have not seen the numbers.I do not work for any of the Big 3, but I am amazed by the people that want these companies to fail. The number of people that would be affected is too large to comprehend.

I want companies to fail that should fail since it will make things better for us overall.

You complain about people selectively answering posts, yet you still do so yourself when convenient. Was Toyota profitable in Q4 2008?Can you please let me know what companies should fail? United AirlinesFannie Mae / Freddie MacAIGUS Government

All of them in their current form.

 

[The Flying Turtle]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

Did Toyota make a profit in the 4th quarter of 2008? I have not seen the numbers.I do not work for any of the Big 3, but I am amazed by the people that want these companies to fail. The number of people that would be affected is too large to comprehend.

I want companies to fail that should fail since it will make things better for us overall.

You complain about people selectively answering posts, yet you still do so yourself when convenient. Was Toyota profitable in Q4 2008?Can you please let me know what companies should fail? United AirlinesFannie Mae / Freddie MacAIGUS Government

All of them in their current form.

I don't understand your answer. What do you mean by current form?

 

[Nugget]

The new 2009 F-150 is the safest truck ever. America's Safest Full-Size Pickup

Now if only they would advertise the truck on ESPN...

It seems that something else has gone haywire on my F-150. The 'lights on' or 'keys in the ignition' beeper goes off now all the time even when the lights are fine and the keys are in your hand. My appreciation of my F-150 is dropping very quickly. I think I might just never buy another American company car/truck ever again as long as they use union labor.

Top Gear had a segment on why Brits do not buy the best selling vehicle in the world, the F-150. It was hard to say anything that they pointed out that were negatives were wrong.

PM me your VIN # and I'll pass along to a service engineer to see if there are similar problems elsewhere.Would you buy a Toyota if they were using Union labor?

The F150 is not offered in Europe.

 

[Chadstroma]

The new 2009 F-150 is the safest truck ever. America's Safest Full-Size Pickup

Now if only they would advertise the truck on ESPN...

It seems that something else has gone haywire on my F-150. The 'lights on' or 'keys in the ignition' beeper goes off now all the time even when the lights are fine and the keys are in your hand. My appreciation of my F-150 is dropping very quickly. I think I might just never buy another American company car/truck ever again as long as they use union labor.

Top Gear had a segment on why Brits do not buy the best selling vehicle in the world, the F-150. It was hard to say anything that they pointed out that were negatives were wrong.

PM me your VIN # and I'll pass along to a service engineer to see if there are similar problems elsewhere.Would you buy a Toyota if they were using Union labor?

The F150 is not offered in Europe.

I'll send that over to you prob tomorrow- I think my fiance is going to make me drive her because we are suppose to get snow. I will remember to write it down and send it to you then. Nope. I just do not trust union labor. It may have absolutely no cause and effect here but I do not think I want to gamble with that moving forward. I was a huge F-150 fan but these little things are starting to piss me off. I am not exactly jumping off the ship here. The thing that sold me on Ford trucks was seeing an F-150 start after it had fell off a clift of about 10 feet or so and drive up on a flatbed. But mine is 3 years old with only 19K on it and has been taken care of very well. Absolutely no reason to have this crap happen.

The Top Gear thing was not so much about that but rather the points made on Top Gear were very good. They have a lot of segments that are not exactly 'logical' because they have fun with the entire show. Usually they are checking out Euro sports cars and usually very high end.

 

[Nugget]

2010 Taurus

Full release Sunday afternoon. Showrooms this summer.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Did I hear the statistic correctly that Ford sales dropped by OVER 30% last month?I suppose it's a question of today's capacity versus historical recessions, but when you hear a number like that the schock reaction is "insolvent business".Thoughts?

Are you familiar with the auto industry? Toyota was down 30% in Nov...are they an "insolvent business" as well?

You're being ridiculous now.A 30% loss for Toyota and they can still turn a profit. Or they can lose money and not be insolvent. A 30% loss when you're already on the ropes can make you insolvent.So what do you do at Ford?

Did Toyota make a profit in the 4th quarter of 2008? I have not seen the numbers.I do not work for any of the Big 3, but I am amazed by the people that want these companies to fail. The number of people that would be affected is too large to comprehend.

I want companies to fail that should fail since it will make things better for us overall.

You complain about people selectively answering posts, yet you still do so yourself when convenient. Was Toyota profitable in Q4 2008?Can you please let me know what companies should fail? United AirlinesFannie Mae / Freddie MacAIGUS Government

All of them in their current form.

I don't understand your answer. What do you mean by current form?

I mean... their current form.

 

[Jobber]

2010 Taurus

Full release Sunday afternoon. Showrooms this summer.

If they break the 30 mpg barrier they may have something good here. If not...meh - just another sedan.