Former Team Doc Speculates On Possible Surgery for Westbrook (1 Viewer)

[phillzphan]

(KFFL) Les Bowen, of the Philadelphia Daily News, reports Philadelphia Eagles RB Brian Westbrook (knee) might need arthroscopic surgery on his knee if rest does not resolve his recurring problems. Westbrook would miss two to six weeks if he had the surgery, but he would then be fine and not have to worry about how his knee is on a week-to-week basis. The team has recently acknowledged Westbrook has a bone bruise, which usually means there is damage to the articular cartilage. Westbrook's agent, Fletcher Smith, said he and the team have not yet discusses Westbrook's options.

then..

(KFFL) Correcting a previous report, Les Bowen, of the Philadelphia Daily News, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have acknowledged RB Brian Westbrook (knee) is dealing with a bone bruise. A bone bruise usually involves damage to the articular cartilage, which covers the end of the bone. Westbrook's agent, Fletcher Smith, said he and the team have not discussed Westbrook's options. Westbrook could choose to rest his knee, but he runs the risk of having to deal with his injury on a week-to-week basis. He is expected to play in the Week 5 game.

*******************************Joe edited to reflect more the tone of the original article pasted a few posts down.J

 

[phillzphan]

everyone on the eagles boards seem to be fine with it. they just want him to beat the cowboys and take a rest . if he can go back to 100%...i guess i like it. i would have to deal with a lot over the next few weeks when i'd really need him most.

i really think that the eagles aren't going to delay their decision and i'd expect big news either very soon...or right after the dallas game. whats 3-4 more days? if he doesn't do it then, i think that the eagles are pretty confident with his condition and he should be pretty good to go. we'll know a lot more within a week.

 

[brednbuddah]

FWIW,

source: cbs.sportsline...

Brian Westbrook, RB PHI

News: Eagles coach Andy Reid said that RB Brian Westbrook (knee) is feeling much better on Tuesday after swelling in his knee kept him from playing vs. Green Bay in Week 4, a surprise turn of events to say the least. Reid added that he was planning on keeping Westbrook out of practice on Wednesday. They will gameplan for Westbrook to play in Week 5 vs. Dallas. "When you have the bone bruises there is always the chance that there is something going on with the cartilage and that's why we have been holding him out," Reid said of Westbrook. "But we think he is going to be alright this week. We'll see how the inflammation stays out of there. It is out of there right now and hopefully it stays out of there."

Analysis: Looks like Westbrook will be a 'go' for Week 5, though the same was believed in Week 4 and he couldn't play. Owners who have Westbrook are urged to pick up Correll Buckhalter as he will play the most in his place if Westbrook cannot face the Cowboys. Then, when the inactives are announced (an hour before game time), you can start the appropriate RB. Monitor Westbrook's status throughout the week if you own him and plan on starting him.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Sounds like the first story was unsubstantiated and likely false if they issued a retraction approximately one hour after the original story broke.

 

[bonesman]

Sounds like the first story was unsubstantiated and likely false if they issued a retraction approximately one hour after the original story broke.

ehhhhhh... i don't really think it's unsubstantiated or false... it's a FACT he has the bone bruise... the stuff about the cartelage is speculation... but the chances are that there's probably an issue there, and there's eventually going to be some surgery that needs to get done. Let's just hope they do a better job than they did on D. Davis

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Sounds like the first story was unsubstantiated and likely false if they issued a retraction approximately one hour after the original story broke.

ehhhhhh... i don't really think it's unsubstantiated or false... it's a FACT he has the bone bruise... the stuff about the cartelage is speculation... but the chances are that there's probably an issue there, and there's eventually going to be some surgery that needs to get done. Let's just hope they do a better job than they did on D. Davis

What's false is that anyone associated with Westbrook or the Eagles is mentioning surgery. That was quickly retracted. The bone bruise is a fact. The cartilage damage is pure speculation. Bottom line we don't know how serious this is yet. For you to say he will eventually need surgery is still premature right now.

 

[nygiants56]

fools gold, IMO..He couldn't start last week, but the reports were that he was a "go"..now reports are saying he's OK this week, but I'd bet something else happens and he doesn't play well, if at all..

seems to me that Westy's PR campaign is trying to downplay things a bit..anytime a RB appears on the injury report with knee soreness week after week , it can't be a good thing..

 

[softball]

Sounds like the first story was unsubstantiated and likely false if they issued a retraction approximately one hour after the original story broke.

ehhhhhh... i don't really think it's unsubstantiated or false... it's a FACT he has the bone bruise... the stuff about the cartelage is speculation... but the chances are that there's probably an issue there, and there's eventually going to be some surgery that needs to get done. Let's just hope they do a better job than they did on D. Davis

What's false is that anyone associated with Westbrook or the Eagles is mentioning surgery. That was quickly retracted. The bone bruise is a fact. The cartilage damage is pure speculation. Bottom line we don't know how serious this is yet. For you to say he will eventually need surgery is still premature right now.

True. We don't know.Dom Davis has a bone bruise too, with swelling in the knee....

 

[Doctor Detroit]

FWIW,source: cbs.sportsline...Brian Westbrook, RB PHINews: Eagles coach Andy Reid said that RB Brian Westbrook (knee) is feeling much better on Tuesday after swelling in his knee kept him from playing vs. Green Bay in Week 4, a surprise turn of events to say the least. Reid added that he was planning on keeping Westbrook out of practice on Wednesday. They will gameplan for Westbrook to play in Week 5 vs. Dallas. "When you have the bone bruises there is always the chance that there is something going on with the cartilage and that's why we have been holding him out," Reid said of Westbrook. "But we think he is going to be alright this week. We'll see how the inflammation stays out of there. It is out of there right now and hopefully it stays out of there."Analysis: Looks like Westbrook will be a 'go' for Week 5, though the same was believed in Week 4 and he couldn't play. Owners who have Westbrook are urged to pick up Correll Buckhalter as he will play the most in his place if Westbrook cannot face the Cowboys. Then, when the inactives are announced (an hour before game time), you can start the appropriate RB. Monitor Westbrook's status throughout the week if you own him and plan on starting him.

He is so critical to my team in one of my leagues. I hope this is true.

 

[JaxBill]

That's the problem with these summaries from Rotoworld, kffl, etc. Things get lost in translation.

Anyway, here's the original article:

Les Bowen | Westbrook case presents dilemma

by Les Bowen

IT WON'T HAPPEN this week, with the game of the year, decade, century, epoch, millennium - choose whatever hyperbolic time reference you prefer - on tap.

Andy Reid said yesterday he expects to have Brian Westbrook in the lineup Sunday against Dallas, though he said Westbrook probably won't practice today. Reid didn't admit it, but that was probably why Westbrook was a surprise scratch from Monday night's game, so he would be able to go against the Cowboys, which is all many Eagles fans care about right now.

But as unfathomable as it might seem, the Birds' season won't end Sunday afternoon, whether Terrell Owens goes home with a smiley face or a scowl. The Eagles will still play 11 more games, with hopes of more in the postseason. And that is where we might have a problem.

Reid reluctantly has acknowledged that Westbrook's injury is a bone bruise, which might involve cartilage damage, and that it might be something that dogs the team's offensive catalyst all season.

The Eagles don't let their team physicians talk to reporters, but former team physicians and unaffiliated sports orthopedists are not under their control. Dr. Art Bartolozzi, former team orthopedist for the Eagles and the Flyers, said yesterday that while he doesn't know the specifics of Westbrook's case, it sounds pretty familiar. When a knee suffers a bone bruise, Bartolozzi said, the covering articular cartilage, the smooth, glistening, sliding surface at the end of a bone, tends to flake or peel off and create inflammation. The first treatment is rest, which the Eagles now have tried. The second is draining fluid that develops because of the irritation, which the Eagles also have tried. The third would be a cortico-steroid injection, to mitigate the irritation and cut down on the fluid being produced. We don't know if the Eagles have tried that.

If none of those options offers lasting relief, the next step is an arthroscopic cleanout. Recovery time could be anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks, Bartolozzi said, depending on how much work is necessary. Bartolozzi emphasized that he wasn't saying Westbrook needs surgery, that he can't say that without examining him.

Another sports orthopedist, the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania's Dr. Brian Sennett, cautioned that even a "cleanout'' involves removing cartilage, and that there is no guarantee a surgeon wouldn't discover more damage than was apparent, lengthening the projected recovery time. Sennett said trying a longer rest period - say, several weeks - might be preferable to immediate surgery, should Westbrook not be A-OK after playing against the Cowboys.

Neither Bartolozzi nor Stennett seemed all that optimistic about taking a week-to-week approach over several months, given the level of discomfort Westbrook seems to be experiencing, and that sitting out practices doesn't seem to have helped Westbrook much so far. From the sideline, this looks very much like last season's dilemma, when the Eagles and Donovan McNabb thought the quarterback somehow could limp through the season with a sports hernia. We all know how that turned out.

Again, there's no way Westbrook doesn't try to play against the Cowboys. But after that, if more lengthy rest or an arthroscope can provide more benefit than crossing their fingers every week, wouldn't it make sense to take a loss or two if necessary, and give the offense a fighting chance down the stretch?

"I'm concerned about a knee that constantly swells,'' Bartolozzi said. "That indicates subtle damage to the cartilage or joint lining.''

These situations come up a lot in sports, and it's amazing how rarely teams are willing to err on the side of the long run. (Maybe if a surgeon eventually scopes Westbrook's knee, he could poke around in Antero Niittymaki's hip as well.)

Fletcher Smith is Westbrook's agent, and McNabb's agent, as well. Smith said yesterday that he and Westbrook haven't discussed whether an arthroscope would be advisable. "Honestly, I don't know'' whether such a decision could be coming, Smith said.

Smith reiterated that it was McNabb who felt confident he could soldier on last season, and that they felt surgery back then wasn't much of an option - Smith and McNabb felt the quarterback's season would be over if he let a surgeon open up his abdomen. This, obviously, is different.

"Right now, there's a gray area,'' Reid said yesterday, when asked whether Westbrook's knee could be a seasonlong concern. "Until he can get back out there and play on it, we'll keep an eye on it.''

Chances are, it won't be quite that simple.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15673587.htm

 

[One]

If he needs surgery DO IT NOW!!

get that guy ready for playoffs.

 

[BigTex]

fools gold, IMO..He couldn't start last week, but the reports were that he was a "go"..now reports are saying he's OK this week, but I'd bet something else happens and he doesn't play well, if at all..seems to me that Westy's PR campaign is trying to downplay things a bit..anytime a RB appears on the injury report with knee soreness week after week , it can't be a good thing..

 

[Tat]

Sounds like the first story was unsubstantiated and likely false if they issued a retraction approximately one hour after the original story broke.

ehhhhhh... i don't really think it's unsubstantiated or false... it's a FACT he has the bone bruise... the stuff about the cartelage is speculation... but the chances are that there's probably an issue there, and there's eventually going to be some surgery that needs to get done. Let's just hope they do a better job than they did on D. Davis

What's false is that anyone associated with Westbrook or the Eagles is mentioning surgery. That was quickly retracted. The bone bruise is a fact. The cartilage damage is pure speculation. Bottom line we don't know how serious this is yet. For you to say he will eventually need surgery is still premature right now.

The cartilage they are referring to is articular cartilage, which is basically a thin, but hard membrane that covers the bones in the body. Articular cartilage helps the bones glide easily past each other during knee motion, and serves as a thin protective layer to the bones it covers. When knee injuries occur, this cartilage becomes damaged and bruised. Injuries to that area take longer to heal b/c they are always weight bearing and being used constantly. The injury worsens when bone on bone contact is made.This is the similar injury that Terrell Davis and Dominick Davis and Stephen Davis for that matter have.

Surgery is required to fix the lesions on the distal (most bottom part) of the femur /(thigh bone). In this surgery they have a few options, they can use a small pick or drill to make indentions in the affected area to promote bleeding which in turn regenerates the cartilage growth, or, if the lesion is big enough (the size of a nickel or larger), bone plugs can be taken from a non weight bearing portion of the femur and transplanted into the damages area.

If any of these procedures are done, one has a minimum of 6-8 weeks non weight bearing on that leg.

It sounds to me like Westbrook has this type of injury. The swelling is common because of the irritation involved with the bone on bone contact that his knee is taking.

Another thing that has me worried is when they were talking about him on Monday night. They showed him stretching and saying he couldn't go. My guess is that maybe something else could be wrong with him. Maybe he is trying so hard not to hurt his knee that he may be putting extra stress on his other leg causing some problems there.....

I will be interested to see if Westy goes in for a routine arthoscopy in the near future so that doctors can see just what is going on inside his knee.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

(KFFL) Les Bowen, of the Philadelphia Daily News, reports Philadelphia Eagles RB Brian Westbrook (knee) might need arthroscopic surgery on his knee if rest does not resolve his recurring problems. Westbrook would miss two to six weeks if he had the surgery, but he would then be fine and not have to worry about how his knee is on a week-to-week basis. The team has recently acknowledged Westbrook has a bone bruise, which usually means there is damage to the articular cartilage. Westbrook's agent, Fletcher Smith, said he and the team have not yet discusses Westbrook's options.

then..

(KFFL) Correcting a previous report, Les Bowen, of the Philadelphia Daily News, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have acknowledged RB Brian Westbrook (knee) is dealing with a bone bruise. A bone bruise usually involves damage to the articular cartilage, which covers the end of the bone. Westbrook's agent, Fletcher Smith, said he and the team have not discussed Westbrook's options. Westbrook could choose to rest his knee, but he runs the risk of having to deal with his injury on a week-to-week basis. He is expected to play in the Week 5 game.

Reid: Les, this is Andy ReidBowen: Hi Coa...

Reid: Les, Do you ever want to set foot in our complex again?

Bowen: Well of course I...

Reid: Then you better not be mentioning any surgery for Westbrook in your articles.

Bowen: But he has a bone bruise, right?

Reid: Yep.

Bowen: And they usually involve cartilage damage, right?

Reid: That's what the doc's tell me.

Bowen: And he can try to rest it...

Reid: [muffled]Mmm...good doughnut....Yep, you've got it.

Bowen: ...but rest might not heal it, right?

Reid: Maybe not.

Bowen: So wouldn't he need surgery to repair it in that case? That's what the Doctors I talked to told me.

Reid: No mention of surgery or you never talk to an Eagle again.

Bowen: Ok...no surgery. Uh...thanks coach. See ya at novacare.

Reid: Not unless I see that correction, Les.

[click]

Bowen: Boss - I've got a correction to make!!

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Sounds like the first story was unsubstantiated and likely false if they issued a retraction approximately one hour after the original story broke.

ehhhhhh... i don't really think it's unsubstantiated or false... it's a FACT he has the bone bruise... the stuff about the cartelage is speculation... but the chances are that there's probably an issue there, and there's eventually going to be some surgery that needs to get done. Let's just hope they do a better job than they did on D. Davis

What's false is that anyone associated with Westbrook or the Eagles is mentioning surgery. That was quickly retracted. The bone bruise is a fact. The cartilage damage is pure speculation. Bottom line we don't know how serious this is yet. For you to say he will eventually need surgery is still premature right now.

The cartilage they are referring to is articular cartilage, which is basically a thin, but hard membrane that covers the bones in the body. Articular cartilage helps the bones glide easily past each other during knee motion, and serves as a thin protective layer to the bones it covers. When knee injuries occur, this cartilage becomes damaged and bruised. Injuries to that area take longer to heal b/c they are always weight bearing and being used constantly. The injury worsens when bone on bone contact is made.This is the similar injury that Terrell Davis and Dominick Davis and Stephen Davis for that matter have.

Surgery is required to fix the lesions on the distal (most bottom part) of the femur /(thigh bone). In this surgery they have a few options, they can use a small pick or drill to make indentions in the affected area to promote bleeding which in turn regenerates the cartilage growth, or, if the lesion is big enough (the size of a nickel or larger), bone plugs can be taken from a non weight bearing portion of the femur and transplanted into the damages area.

If any of these procedures are done, one has a minimum of 6-8 weeks non weight bearing on that leg.

It sounds to me like Westbrook has this type of injury. The swelling is common because of the irritation involved with the bone on bone contact that his knee is taking.

Another thing that has me worried is when they were talking about him on Monday night. They showed him stretching and saying he couldn't go. My guess is that maybe something else could be wrong with him. Maybe he is trying so hard not to hurt his knee that he may be putting extra stress on his other leg causing some problems there.....

I will be interested to see if Westy goes in for a routine arthoscopy in the near future so that doctors can see just what is going on inside his knee.

Good stuff...Man, I hope this is not serious, or I am going to really be hurting in a couple leagues.

 

[H.K.]

Just offered the Westbrook owner in my league Tiki for him. Westy will play for a few more weeks, get scoped in Week 7 and return after the bye. Time to take advantage of this situation is now!

 

[Joe Bryant]

That's the problem with these summaries from Rotoworld, kffl, etc. Things get lost in translation.

Anyway, here's the original article:

Les Bowen | Westbrook case presents dilemma

by Les Bowen

IT WON'T HAPPEN this week, with the game of the year, decade, century, epoch, millennium - choose whatever hyperbolic time reference you prefer - on tap.

Andy Reid said yesterday he expects to have Brian Westbrook in the lineup Sunday against Dallas, though he said Westbrook probably won't practice today. Reid didn't admit it, but that was probably why Westbrook was a surprise scratch from Monday night's game, so he would be able to go against the Cowboys, which is all many Eagles fans care about right now.

But as unfathomable as it might seem, the Birds' season won't end Sunday afternoon, whether Terrell Owens goes home with a smiley face or a scowl. The Eagles will still play 11 more games, with hopes of more in the postseason. And that is where we might have a problem.

Reid reluctantly has acknowledged that Westbrook's injury is a bone bruise, which might involve cartilage damage, and that it might be something that dogs the team's offensive catalyst all season.

The Eagles don't let their team physicians talk to reporters, but former team physicians and unaffiliated sports orthopedists are not under their control. Dr. Art Bartolozzi, former team orthopedist for the Eagles and the Flyers, said yesterday that while he doesn't know the specifics of Westbrook's case, it sounds pretty familiar. When a knee suffers a bone bruise, Bartolozzi said, the covering articular cartilage, the smooth, glistening, sliding surface at the end of a bone, tends to flake or peel off and create inflammation. The first treatment is rest, which the Eagles now have tried. The second is draining fluid that develops because of the irritation, which the Eagles also have tried. The third would be a cortico-steroid injection, to mitigate the irritation and cut down on the fluid being produced. We don't know if the Eagles have tried that.

If none of those options offers lasting relief, the next step is an arthroscopic cleanout. Recovery time could be anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks, Bartolozzi said, depending on how much work is necessary. Bartolozzi emphasized that he wasn't saying Westbrook needs surgery, that he can't say that without examining him.

Another sports orthopedist, the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania's Dr. Brian Sennett, cautioned that even a "cleanout'' involves removing cartilage, and that there is no guarantee a surgeon wouldn't discover more damage than was apparent, lengthening the projected recovery time. Sennett said trying a longer rest period - say, several weeks - might be preferable to immediate surgery, should Westbrook not be A-OK after playing against the Cowboys.

Neither Bartolozzi nor Stennett seemed all that optimistic about taking a week-to-week approach over several months, given the level of discomfort Westbrook seems to be experiencing, and that sitting out practices doesn't seem to have helped Westbrook much so far. From the sideline, this looks very much like last season's dilemma, when the Eagles and Donovan McNabb thought the quarterback somehow could limp through the season with a sports hernia. We all know how that turned out.

Again, there's no way Westbrook doesn't try to play against the Cowboys. But after that, if more lengthy rest or an arthroscope can provide more benefit than crossing their fingers every week, wouldn't it make sense to take a loss or two if necessary, and give the offense a fighting chance down the stretch?

"I'm concerned about a knee that constantly swells,'' Bartolozzi said. "That indicates subtle damage to the cartilage or joint lining.''

These situations come up a lot in sports, and it's amazing how rarely teams are willing to err on the side of the long run. (Maybe if a surgeon eventually scopes Westbrook's knee, he could poke around in Antero Niittymaki's hip as well.)

Fletcher Smith is Westbrook's agent, and McNabb's agent, as well. Smith said yesterday that he and Westbrook haven't discussed whether an arthroscope would be advisable. "Honestly, I don't know'' whether such a decision could be coming, Smith said.

Smith reiterated that it was McNabb who felt confident he could soldier on last season, and that they felt surgery back then wasn't much of an option - Smith and McNabb felt the quarterback's season would be over if he let a surgeon open up his abdomen. This, obviously, is different.

"Right now, there's a gray area,'' Reid said yesterday, when asked whether Westbrook's knee could be a seasonlong concern. "Until he can get back out there and play on it, we'll keep an eye on it.''

Chances are, it won't be quite that simple.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15673587.htm

Thank you Jaxbill. Agree for sure that context is HUGE in understanding what is said with these news stories.J

 

[bjabrad]

Just offered the Westbrook owner in my league Tiki for him. Westy will play for a few more weeks, get scoped in Week 7 and return after the bye. Time to take advantage of this situation is now!

I agree that this is a buy opportunity now but I think he can be had for less in a few weeks. I am guessing based on what I've just read and looking at his upcoming schedule that he's going to get surgery during the season so that he can be ready for the last month of the regular season when PHI plays CAR, WAS, NYG, DAL and ATL to finish the season. If he goes in for surgery following the Dallas game this week then he will be out 2-6 weeks and be able to come back for the week 12 game vs IND. I just think that the Westbrook owner will be will to sell for less once it's established that he's actually going to get surgery and not only a weekly guessiing game.I hope I can have a team by then can withstand the loss of Westbrook and what I will have traded for him during his down time.

 

[H.K.]

Just offered the Westbrook owner in my league Tiki for him. Westy will play for a few more weeks, get scoped in Week 7 and return after the bye. Time to take advantage of this situation is now!

I agree that this is a buy opportunity now but I think he can be had for less in a few weeks. I am guessing based on what I've just read and looking at his upcoming schedule that he's going to get surgery during the season so that he can be ready for the last month of the regular season when PHI plays CAR, WAS, NYG, DAL and ATL to finish the season. If he goes in for surgery following the Dallas game this week then he will be out 2-6 weeks and be able to come back for the week 12 game vs IND. I just think that the Westbrook owner will be will to sell for less once it's established that he's actually going to get surgery and not only a weekly guessiing game.I hope I can have a team by then can withstand the loss of Westbrook and what I will have traded for him during his down time.

My assumption is that he'll miss three to four weeks. Obviously, he's got issues that will require rest at the least, surgery at the worst. If anyone has depth, its a good time to go for him IF its a PPR league.

 

[rascal]

Fortunately I traded for Droughns before last week to remove some of the risk with Westbrook. I can withstand him being out 2-4 weeks if he plays this week, and then comes back after his bye. More then that and Westbrook owners are going to be in trouble. More then likely Westbrook owners have a winning record with his production the first three weeks (even after week 4 he is the #1 scoring RB in the majority of leagues).

 

[rascal]

Just offered the Westbrook owner in my league Tiki for him. Westy will play for a few more weeks, get scoped in Week 7 and return after the bye. Time to take advantage of this situation is now!

I agree that this is a buy opportunity now but I think he can be had for less in a few weeks. I am guessing based on what I've just read and looking at his upcoming schedule that he's going to get surgery during the season so that he can be ready for the last month of the regular season when PHI plays CAR, WAS, NYG, DAL and ATL to finish the season. If he goes in for surgery following the Dallas game this week then he will be out 2-6 weeks and be able to come back for the week 12 game vs IND. I just think that the Westbrook owner will be will to sell for less once it's established that he's actually going to get surgery and not only a weekly guessiing game.I hope I can have a team by then can withstand the loss of Westbrook and what I will have traded for him during his down time.

My assumption is that he'll miss three to four weeks. Obviously, he's got issues that will require rest at the least, surgery at the worst. If anyone has depth, its a good time to go for him IF its a PPR league.

His value is lower now then in week three, but if they bench him in week 6 till after the bye (IMO what will happen) that will be the time to get him. Of course it depends on the owners situation. If they are losing games and needs production the owner will probably look to make a move, if not he will probably sit tight and wait it out.

 

[Two Deep]

Just had arthroscopic cleanout 4 weeks ago to clean out cartlidge. I was having on and off swelling, "catching" and continual discomfort. I still have minor swelling from surgery, some discomfort and weakness. Prior to my surgery the Dr. told me he can eliminate the "catching" but in the future I will still be prone to swelling and discomfort and not 100% due to the fact that it is a bone on bone condition. Once the cartlidge is gone it is gone. I guess what I am saying if Westbrook needs surgery look for him to be out 4 weeks at the very minimum and I would say even longer.

 

[phillzphan]

Just had arthroscopic cleanout 4 weeks ago to clean out cartlidge. I was having on and off swelling, "catching" and continual discomfort. I still have minor swelling from surgery, some discomfort and weakness. Prior to my surgery the Dr. told me he can eliminate the "catching" but in the future I will still be prone to swelling and discomfort and not 100% due to the fact that it is a bone on bone condition. Once the cartlidge is gone it is gone. I guess what I am saying if Westbrook needs surgery look for him to be out 4 weeks at the very minimum and I would say even longer.

this assume that you=westbrook. i'm going to go out on a limb and say thats not true.

 

[Two Deep]

Just had arthroscopic cleanout 4 weeks ago to clean out cartlidge. I was having on and off swelling, "catching" and continual discomfort. I still have minor swelling from surgery, some discomfort and weakness. Prior to my surgery the Dr. told me he can eliminate the "catching" but in the future I will still be prone to swelling and discomfort and not 100% due to the fact that it is a bone on bone condition. Once the cartlidge is gone it is gone. I guess what I am saying if Westbrook needs surgery look for him to be out 4 weeks at the very minimum and I would say even longer.

this assume that you=westbrook. i'm going to go out on a limb and say thats not true.

Your absolutely right I have a higher tolerance of pain as indicated by Westbrooks inability to stay in the line up. So you may as well count on 8 weeks for Westbrook to recover.

 

[zoos]

how is this different than dom davis' knee condition?

 

[zoos]

and i mean dom davis last year when he was ? for like half the season and an eternal GTD.

i believe "bone bruise" "cartilage" "bone on bone" all came up with him.

 

[phillzphan]

and i mean dom davis last year when he was ? for like half the season and an eternal GTD. i believe "bone bruise" "cartilage" "bone on bone" all came up with him.

Well, first, there is no real bone on bone right now. If there were, this would be much more serious. The question remains though -- what is the real difference?More similarities first that scare me:They both had fluid drained. There is also this sketchy talk of the RB meeting with the team and discussing what to do. In this meeting with DD, he went on IR. Both are small backs who we know are taking a beating week in a week out. Both RBs get a lot of touches. Both backs are important to the team.But...whats the biggest difference? Philly is a real playoff contender. They have been keeping the status of Westy unknown really, and my guess (as others have argued for and against) is that its not SO serious. They are making decisions on whether they need him. This condition can improve with resting, and they may be opting to do just that in prep for the playoffs. In the NFL, just like any sports, it starts in the postseason. if your stud RB isn't healthy, if your pitching rotation sucks, you aren't going to make it the entire way.I really think that there are some similarities, but the biggest difference is that I think we are seeing Westy being rested for a reason. Again, we should know a lot more in like...5 days. Even if he does need surgery supposedly it will fix everything within 6 weeks. So, not out for the season unless something unexpectingly arises.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Just had arthroscopic cleanout 4 weeks ago to clean out cartlidge. I was having on and off swelling, "catching" and continual discomfort. I still have minor swelling from surgery, some discomfort and weakness. Prior to my surgery the Dr. told me he can eliminate the "catching" but in the future I will still be prone to swelling and discomfort and not 100% due to the fact that it is a bone on bone condition. Once the cartlidge is gone it is gone. I guess what I am saying if Westbrook needs surgery look for him to be out 4 weeks at the very minimum and I would say even longer.

this assume that you=westbrook. i'm going to go out on a limb and say thats not true.

Your absolutely right I have a higher tolerance of pain as indicated by Westbrooks inability to stay in the line up. So you may as well count on 8 weeks for Westbrook to recover.

Yeah right. You are a Joe Shmo and Westbrook is a professional athlete.

 

[Lauryn]

Just had arthroscopic cleanout 4 weeks ago to clean out cartlidge. I was having on and off swelling, "catching" and continual discomfort. I still have minor swelling from surgery, some discomfort and weakness. Prior to my surgery the Dr. told me he can eliminate the "catching" but in the future I will still be prone to swelling and discomfort and not 100% due to the fact that it is a bone on bone condition. Once the cartlidge is gone it is gone. I guess what I am saying if Westbrook needs surgery look for him to be out 4 weeks at the very minimum and I would say even longer.

this assume that you=westbrook. i'm going to go out on a limb and say thats not true.

Your absolutely right I have a higher tolerance of pain as indicated by Westbrooks inability to stay in the line up. So you may as well count on 8 weeks for Westbrook to recover.

 

[hammerd]

there is no doubt in my mind that they purposely decided to rest him last minute vs. a weak opponent in Green Bay to save him for a HUGE division rivalry game with Dallas, and then possibly shut him down for possible surgery, to then have him come back right before playoff time.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

IF that's the case, sell Westbrook after this week.

 

[brednbuddah]

serious question. Isn't this how Marshall Faulk's knee problems began? Wasn't he having his knee drained on a weekly basis during the tail end of a season (sorry, forget which year) due to inflammation/irritation in his knee?

secondly, I can understand why the Eagles would try to down play the extent Westbrook's knee if it is indeed a bigger problem than being reported. Correll Buckhalter hasn't exactly been able to stay on the field during his career (missed all of 2002, 2004 and 2005 due to injuries) and Ryan Moats has had a couple nice games, but is still unproven.

It would be telling if the Eagles sign a veteran back in the coming weeks.

 

[Devius]

now the question is...if westbrook is out for a few weeks...who should you look to pick up? moats or buckhalter? who has the bigger upside between the two?

 

[Lemmiwinks]

If they thought it was serious, wouldn't they have done an MRI already?