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Found out my son is being abused. Update #696 (1 Viewer)

timschochet said:
seahawk 17 said:
Update:I got the hell out of town and currently in a safe place. Yesterday I went to a lawyer just to get some advice on my situation. She told me that I am not in trouble and that the contempt charges will be dropped when this all gets sorted out. She advised me to go "camping" with the kids for a week or two, because the writ of assistance is not valid until the police give it to me. She also told me to make as many calls as I can to child welfare and start laying complaints on people. The good news is that I'm not breaking any laws and won't go to jail. The lawyer said it's a slow process and takes time for everybody to get on the same page.I know that going into hiding makes me look bad, but I have done everything the right way and have jack to show it. I think my ex knows the #### is about to hit the fan so she needs the kids back so she can do damage control.Thank you for those that are giving encouraging words and good advice, you really don't know how much that helps.
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So the first lawyer is out of town for two weeks, and the new lawyer tells you to go "camping" for a couple of weeks? Sorry, this simply does not make any sense. I just don't believe that any lawyer is going to advise you to hide out from the police and break the law.
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They give this sort of advice all the time. The police wanted to talk me once upon a time. They told me when they would coming to my house, they were being very aggressive and I didn't want to talk to them unless it was on my terms. The advice my lawyer gave me was, go spend the night somewhere, don't be home. Completely legal. Did it 3 times until we were ready to talk to them.
 
So I remember when the Seahawk 17s were a happily married couple sometimes posting together on FBGs. What makes you think she forgot your name here (it never changed) and that she wouldn't think to look and see what you're up to?

 
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desert rose said:
So I remember when the Seahawk 17s were a happily married couple sometimes posting together on FBGs. What makes you think she forgot your name here (it never changed) and that she wouldn't think to look and see what you're up to?
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:rolleyes:
 
desert rose said:
So I remember when the Seahawk 17s were a happily married couple sometimes posting together on FBGs. What makes you think she forgot your name here (it never changed) and that she wouldn't think to look and see what you're up to?
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I never keep a notebook but clearly it seems others do.
 
I would agree fishing with such bait is in poor taste. But unless I know he's fishing, I'm going to choose to believe he's sincere. I'm not going to try to poke holes in his story. If that makes me a fish, so be it. I can live with that. Far better than the alternative.

 
seahawk 17 said:
Update:I got the hell out of town and currently in a safe place. Yesterday I went to a lawyer just to get some advice on my situation. She told me that I am not in trouble and that the contempt charges will be dropped when this all gets sorted out. She advised me to go "camping" with the kids for a week or two, because the writ of assistance is not valid until the police give it to me. She also told me to make as many calls as I can to child welfare and start laying complaints on people. The good news is that I'm not breaking any laws and won't go to jail. The lawyer said it's a slow process and takes time for everybody to get on the same page.I know that going into hiding makes me look bad, but I have done everything the right way and have jack to show it. I think my ex knows the #### is about to hit the fan so she needs the kids back so she can do damage control.Thank you for those that are giving encouraging words and good advice, you really don't know how much that helps.
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I genuinely feel bad for you and hope this situation works out for you and your kids. But what the hell type of lawyer are you going to? Go camping with the kids for a week or two and hide out? WTF! :lmao:
 
Idiot Boxer said:
I would agree fishing with such bait is in poor taste. But unless I know he's fishing, I'm going to choose to believe he's sincere. I'm not going to try to poke holes in his story. If that makes me a fish, so be it. I can live with that. Far better than the alternative.
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Yeah, I'm with you 100%. This subject matter really isn't funny and it's hit home with me pretty hard. What if my ex-wife gets re-married? What if this guy abuses my sons? What if she protects him? How would I react? What would I do a million miles away. As a man with a heart and two children I love more than my own life, I just cringe and recoil from thinking about being involved in something like this. I can't imagine another human with a pulse inventing this story for amusement. I would call that psychotic behavior. Could it happen? Sure. But lord, I hope not. I don't think Seahawks has ever done anything on here to garner a reputation as a man who would make this up. I just don't think it's something he or anybody who posts here would do. And if I am fooled...if there are people in this world who would get their kicks making stories like this up, then congrats on fishing me. Congrats on winning the internet. Way to go on making me and others with a heart look foolish. Hope it was worth it. If true, it would lower my faith in humanity a little. It would make me lose faith in the people who post here. And by the by, I think the people who post here are good.Maybe I'm just naive. So what. I give a damn. I can't help it.
 
General Malaise said:
Idiot Boxer said:
I would agree fishing with such bait is in poor taste. But unless I know he's fishing, I'm going to choose to believe he's sincere. I'm not going to try to poke holes in his story. If that makes me a fish, so be it. I can live with that. Far better than the alternative.
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Yeah, I'm with you 100%. This subject matter really isn't funny and it's hit home with me pretty hard. What if my ex-wife gets re-married? What if this guy abuses my sons? What if she protects him? How would I react? What would I do a million miles away. As a man with a heart and two children I love more than my own life, I just cringe and recoil from thinking about being involved in something like this. I can't imagine another human with a pulse inventing this story for amusement. I would call that psychotic behavior. Could it happen? Sure. But lord, I hope not. I don't think Seahawks has ever done anything on here to garner a reputation as a man who would make this up. I just don't think it's something he or anybody who posts here would do. And if I am fooled...if there are people in this world who would get their kicks making stories like this up, then congrats on fishing me. Congrats on winning the internet. Way to go on making me and others with a heart look foolish. Hope it was worth it. If true, it would lower my faith in humanity a little. It would make me lose faith in the people who post here. And by the by, I think the people who post here are good.Maybe I'm just naive. So what. I give a damn. I can't help it.
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Agree with sentimental GM.This kind of fishing trip makes the OP, not the fish, look bad. Really bad.
 
desert rose said:
So I remember when the Seahawk 17s were a happily married couple sometimes posting together on FBGs. What makes you think she forgot your name here (it never changed) and that she wouldn't think to look and see what you're up to?
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A name change would probably be a good idea at this point. PM a mod. Although it would probably be smarter to just nuke everything under that name and start over.
 
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desert rose said:
For the record, I'm not agreeing with the doubters, I'm just advising a little discretion.
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That is what I intended with this post
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
seahawk 17 said:
... Going through a custody battle do you think I am going to post dumb stuff?...
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Based only on what you have posted in this thread - Yes. If this is real stop posting excuses for your own parenting.
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Not that I know anything about this, but if this is all real there are lots of things in these post that I wouldn't want to defend in front of a judge. Maybe in reality we could trust that a judge would discount all of this as things seen everyday, but I wouldn't want to trust that. My only real experience with "family court" as a witness had me seeing both sides foolishly confident in my pre and post event opinions thinking that their side was self evidently correct, that the whole gray mess was somehow black and white.
 
GroveDiesel said:
You should double check with your attorney, but some quick googling shows that both Indiana and Oregon have one party consent wire tapping laws. So you can legally record all the phone calls between you and the kids' mom and between her and the kids. I would seriously get on that immediately. Sounds like she's dumb enough to give you all sorts of evidence.
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http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.htmlgreat site detailing what type of restrictions on recording A/V. It's a site for newsreporters i think...

just google "can we tape"

Interstate phone calls

In light of the differing state laws governing electronic recording of conversations between private parties, journalists are advised to err on the side of caution when recording or disclosing an interstate telephone call. The safest strategy is to assume that the stricter state law will apply.

For example, a reporter located in the District of Columbia who records a telephone conversation without the consent of a party located in Maryland would not violate District of Columbia law, but could be liable under Maryland law. A court located in the District of Columbia may apply Maryland law, depending on its “conflict of laws” rules. Therefore, an aggrieved party may choose to file suit in either jurisdiction, depending on which law is more favorable to the party’s claim.

In one case, a New York trial court was asked to apply the Pennsylvania wiretap law — which requires consent of all parties — to a call placed by a prostitute in Pennsylvania to a man in New York. Unlike the Pennsylvania wiretap statute, the New York and federal statutes require the consent of only one party. The call was recorded with the woman’s consent by reporters for The Globe, a national tabloid newspaper. The court ruled that the law of the state where the injury occurred, New York, should apply. (Krauss v. Globe International)

The Supreme Court of California in Kearney v. Salomon Smith Barney applied California wiretap law to a company located in Georgia who routinely recorded business phone calls with its clients in California. California law requires all party consent to record any telephone calls, while Georgia law requires only one party consent. The state’s high court, applying choice of law principles, reasoned that the failure to apply California law would “impair California’s interest in protecting the degree of privacy afforded to California residents by California law more severely than the application of California law would impair any interests of the State of Georgia.”

In another case involving Pennsylvania law, four employees of the Times Leader, a newspaper in Wilkes-Barre, were arrested after they printed a transcript of a telephone conversation between a columnist in Pennsylvania and a murder suspect living in Virginia that was recorded without the suspect’s permission. The Virginia and federal statutes allow one party to record a conversation, while Pennsylvania, as discussed above, requires the consent of all parties. The man asked prosecutors to charge the journalists under the Pennsylvania law. The court eventually dismissed the charges against the newspaper staff — but on the unrelated ground that the suspect had no expectation of privacy during his telephone interview with the columnist. (Pennsylvania v. Duncan)

Federal law may apply when the conversation is between parties who are in different states, although it is unsettled whether a court will hold in a given case that federal law “pre-empts” state law. In Duncan, the newspaper argued that the federal law should pre-empt the state statutes, because the telephone call crossed state lines, placing it under federal jurisdiction. However, in that case, the court did not address the pre-emption issue. Moreover, as noted above, either state may choose to enforce its own laws.
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Polish Hammer said:
Doesn't Google Voice allow you to record conversations digitally while they are in process? I wonder if that would be a good/free/helpful thing here.
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The Google Voice app allows the recording of incoming Google Voice calls by pressing "4" at any point during the call. Both parties hear a prompt that says, "Call Recording On." This only works on calls placed to your Google Voice number.

http://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/an...p;answer=115037

 
seahawk 17 said:
Update:I got the hell out of town and currently in a safe place. Yesterday I went to a lawyer just to get some advice on my situation. She told me that I am not in trouble and that the contempt charges will be dropped when this all gets sorted out. She advised me to go "camping" with the kids for a week or two, because the writ of assistance is not valid until the police give it to me. She also told me to make as many calls as I can to child welfare and start laying complaints on people. The good news is that I'm not breaking any laws and won't go to jail. The lawyer said it's a slow process and takes time for everybody to get on the same page.I know that going into hiding makes me look bad, but I have done everything the right way and have jack to show it. I think my ex knows the #### is about to hit the fan so she needs the kids back so she can do damage control.Thank you for those that are giving encouraging words and good advice, you really don't know how much that helps.
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See I don't get this. You can afford to run and hide, but not move closer to your children? Move back to within a few miles of your children and all this nonsense will stop. Added bonus you will see your kids more. Win/win.
 
timschochet said:
Something's wrong here.I have followed this thread throughout, tried to give Seahawk what advice I could, and I have rejected skeptics who have suggested that this is one big fishing trip. But now...I am no lawyer, but what's being described makes no sense. There is no reason Seahawk should be hiding from the law. I know nothing about Seahawk, and child abuse is a terrible thing, and if this story is true then my heart goes out to him and his family and I wish them nothing but luck....but I'm beginning to suspect we are being fished. This story doesn't sound right to me.
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Justice is Blind, but it can be slow. It ios entirely possible the family judge that issed the writ has only heard one side of the story, and isn't aware of the substantiated abuse charges. :pickle: I'd hide out for a few weeks while my lawyer made sure that the judge who signed that writ was aware of the substantiation of the abuse (odds are he isn't), especially if my lawyer is OOT for a few days.
 
Courtjester said:
timschochet said:
Something's wrong here.I have followed this thread throughout, tried to give Seahawk what advice I could, and I have rejected skeptics who have suggested that this is one big fishing trip. But now...I am no lawyer, but what's being described makes no sense. There is no reason Seahawk should be hiding from the law. I know nothing about Seahawk, and child abuse is a terrible thing, and if this story is true then my heart goes out to him and his family and I wish them nothing but luck....but I'm beginning to suspect we are being fished. This story doesn't sound right to me.
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Come spend a day in family court. We see dozens of Ex Parte Motions filed each week all claiming this abuse and that abuse. Some are filed under a provision which automatically turns the other parent's parenting time into a supervised parenting time pending a hearing. Just the filing of the motion does that--so you can see the possibility of abuses there.Some of these motions are legit, but probably 90% are not and are just filed by an ex trying to get leverage in a custody action or one parent's perception that something must not be right at the other parent's house. While everyone loves to bash the system and how it is "out to get them", these motions, while taken very seriously, are filed almost hourly.I have two kids (very happily married however), but I can't imagine going through what the OP is going through. That being said, there are other alternatives available other than running with the kids. In fact this is exactly the last thing a parent would want to do and may ultimately cause negative changes in his parenting time in the future, just saying....
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:pickle:
 
seahawk 17 said:
Update:I got the hell out of town and currently in a safe place. Yesterday I went to a lawyer just to get some advice on my situation. She told me that I am not in trouble and that the contempt charges will be dropped when this all gets sorted out. She advised me to go "camping" with the kids for a week or two, because the writ of assistance is not valid until the police give it to me. She also told me to make as many calls as I can to child welfare and start laying complaints on people. The good news is that I'm not breaking any laws and won't go to jail. The lawyer said it's a slow process and takes time for everybody to get on the same page.I know that going into hiding makes me look bad, but I have done everything the right way and have jack to show it. I think my ex knows the #### is about to hit the fan so she needs the kids back so she can do damage control.Thank you for those that are giving encouraging words and good advice, you really don't know how much that helps.
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gllllll peas
 
sho nuff said:
seahawk 17 said:
Update:I got the hell out of town and currently in a safe place. Yesterday I went to a lawyer just to get some advice on my situation. She told me that I am not in trouble and that the contempt charges will be dropped when this all gets sorted out. She advised me to go "camping" with the kids for a week or two, because the writ of assistance is not valid until the police give it to me. She also told me to make as many calls as I can to child welfare and start laying complaints on people. The good news is that I'm not breaking any laws and won't go to jail. The lawyer said it's a slow process and takes time for everybody to get on the same page.I know that going into hiding makes me look bad, but I have done everything the right way and have jack to show it. I think my ex knows the #### is about to hit the fan so she needs the kids back so she can do damage control.Thank you for those that are giving encouraging words and good advice, you really don't know how much that helps.
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The part that I don't believe is this supposed slow process. I agree it is somewhat slow...but not this damn slow.That or you have found yourself the worst possible lawyer/judge/CPS people possible.Because the ones causing Abuse have been able to pull things against you quite quickly.Maybe the system sucks that bad, but this seems way too fishy to believe for the most part.Thats not hate, just how things look from your posts.
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you have NO IDEA how slow the system is, especially when there is a lawyer on one end trying to slow it down...
 
Godsbrother said:
Mjolnirs said:
seahawk 17 said:
My attorney's office is closed until the 20th
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This does not compute.
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Agreed. This does not make sense to me.And no judge or court is going to look favorably on disobeying an order ro return the kids and hiding from the police.
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If you read post 337 it says that the "order" he is hiding from, has never been served on him. Ergo he is not in violation of it, until served. It's a free country, you don't have to be home when they try and serve you papers. So he is on vacation. The only possible thing is if there is an child custody agreement, but IIRC the cancelling of the counseling sessions rendered that moot in some way. Plus if anything he's guilty of a interference with custody thing, that would be a minor punishment compared to the knowledge that you are sending abused kids back to deal with a desperate abuser about to go down. :pickle:what judge wouldn't understand that?
 
timschochet said:
seahawk 17 said:
Update:I got the hell out of town and currently in a safe place. Yesterday I went to a lawyer just to get some advice on my situation. She told me that I am not in trouble and that the contempt charges will be dropped when this all gets sorted out. She advised me to go "camping" with the kids for a week or two, because the writ of assistance is not valid until the police give it to me. She also told me to make as many calls as I can to child welfare and start laying complaints on people. The good news is that I'm not breaking any laws and won't go to jail. The lawyer said it's a slow process and takes time for everybody to get on the same page.I know that going into hiding makes me look bad, but I have done everything the right way and have jack to show it. I think my ex knows the #### is about to hit the fan so she needs the kids back so she can do damage control.Thank you for those that are giving encouraging words and good advice, you really don't know how much that helps.
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So the first lawyer is out of town for two weeks, and the new lawyer tells you to go "camping" for a couple of weeks? Sorry, this simply does not make any sense. I just don't believe that any lawyer is going to advise you to hide out from the police and break the law.
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:whistle:
 
Doug B said:
About seahawk not returning the kids at the predetermined time: is he in the clear (or at least a lot better off in the eyes of a judge) if he professes to actually believe that his kids would be in danger in the ex's home?

Perhaps an analagous hypothetical situation: seahawk drives the kids to Oregon, pulls up into his ex's driveway, and witnesses the step-dad brandishing a pistol and slapping around the kids' mother out in the front yard. There are no neighbors around, and no other witnesses but seahawk & the kids. Seahawk wouldn't get in trouble (nothing that would stick, anyway) for turning the car around and heading back to Indiana, right?

Some will say it apples-to-oranges, but there is something similar about the two cases: seahawk has reason to believe his kids are unsafe in the ex's home.
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whether it would actually legally excuse the behavior (in some jurisdictions defense of another is a complete justification to a crime) it certainly would lead most humans (which all judges are) to sympathize/empathize with the parent, and suspend sentence etc.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
timschochet said:
seahawk 17 said:
Update:I got the hell out of town and currently in a safe place. Yesterday I went to a lawyer just to get some advice on my situation. She told me that I am not in trouble and that the contempt charges will be dropped when this all gets sorted out. She advised me to go "camping" with the kids for a week or two, because the writ of assistance is not valid until the police give it to me. She also told me to make as many calls as I can to child welfare and start laying complaints on people. The good news is that I'm not breaking any laws and won't go to jail. The lawyer said it's a slow process and takes time for everybody to get on the same page.I know that going into hiding makes me look bad, but I have done everything the right way and have jack to show it. I think my ex knows the #### is about to hit the fan so she needs the kids back so she can do damage control.Thank you for those that are giving encouraging words and good advice, you really don't know how much that helps.
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So the first lawyer is out of town for two weeks, and the new lawyer tells you to go "camping" for a couple of weeks? Sorry, this simply does not make any sense. I just don't believe that any lawyer is going to advise you to hide out from the police and break the law.
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They give this sort of advice all the time. The police wanted to talk me once upon a time. They told me when they would coming to my house, they were being very aggressive and I didn't want to talk to them unless it was on my terms. The advice my lawyer gave me was, go spend the night somewhere, don't be home. Completely legal. Did it 3 times until we were ready to talk to them.
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I have often advised clients not to answer their doors when the cops are looking for them. An arrest warrant, doesn't give PC to search/enter a home, absent PROOF that the named individual is there. I have also often advised clients with warrants that we were cleaning up, but were still active at the time, to sleep elsewhere, park their cars 3 blocks away and walk home thru back door/window etc.
 
desert rose said:
So I remember when the Seahawk 17s were a happily married couple sometimes posting together on FBGs. What makes you think she forgot your name here (it never changed) and that she wouldn't think to look and see what you're up to?
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she sounds pretty stupid fwiw. My guess is on drugs/meth etc and prolly too fired to recall the website.But can we dig up a few of these posts?
 
desert rose said:
So I remember when the Seahawk 17s were a happily married couple sometimes posting together on FBGs. What makes you think she forgot your name here (it never changed) and that she wouldn't think to look and see what you're up to?
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she sounds pretty stupid fwiw. My guess is on drugs/meth etc and prolly too fired to recall the website.But can we dig up a few of these posts? Give us something to do until seahawks resurfaces...
 
Hipple and others make good arguments. Perhaps this story is true. On the other hand, per the attorney's supposed advice, he is not simply avoiding the police, he is also refusing to return the children, and hiding them. I admit I am ignorant about these types of issues, but I wonder whether that could be considered a felony. So I remain somehwat skeptical about this whole thing. Obviously, if it's all true, I wish Seahawk the best of luck.

 
:lmao: at the hippling. Love it.

Also, is it confirmed that was just a really messed up fishing trip? If so, that's sort of screwed up.

 
I think at this point Seahawk should be banned, IP banned, and all records purged. If it's true, he would want this, if not, we would want this.

 
Spent the weekend at a resort, I knew that time was running out so I wanted to give the kids a good time. Sunday until today we went camping(but no fishing :goodposting: )

Over the course of the weekend police hit my house, both of my parents, and my grandparents.) Everything was going fine until a few hours ago.

Over the weekend I emailed every news agency, the Governor's office, and both of my state Senator's.

I have been in contact with the Oregonian who wanted more info, and Oregon Senator Jeff Murkley's aid contacted DHS today on my behalf.

A few hours ago, I am at our camp sight and SIX cop cars pull up. They politely served me my paperwork, told me I was not in trouble, and whisked my kids away. They were traumatized to say the least.

As this happened around 5:00PST I made some calls and I am now on my way to getting hammered. I will pick up the fight at 8:00am and keep all of you posted.

 
seahawk 17 said:
Spent the weekend at a resort, I knew that time was running out so I wanted to give the kids a good time. Sunday until today we went camping(but no fishing :jawdrop: )Over the course of the weekend police hit my house, both of my parents, and my grandparents.) Everything was going fine until a few hours ago.Over the weekend I emailed every news agency, the Governor's office, and both of my state Senator's. I have been in contact with the Oregonian who wanted more info, and Oregon Senator Jeff Murkley's aid contacted DHS today on my behalf. A few hours ago, I am at our camp sight and SIX cop cars pull up. They politely served me my paperwork, told me I was not in trouble, and whisked my kids away. They were traumatized to say the least. As this happened around 5:00PST I made some calls and I am now on my way to getting hammered. I will pick up the fight at 8:00am and keep all of you posted.
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Don't forget to bang an 18 year old!
 
ffldrew said:
seahawk 17 said:
Spent the weekend at a resort, I knew that time was running out so I wanted to give the kids a good time. Sunday until today we went camping(but no fishing :jawdrop: )Over the course of the weekend police hit my house, both of my parents, and my grandparents.) Everything was going fine until a few hours ago.Over the weekend I emailed every news agency, the Governor's office, and both of my state Senator's. I have been in contact with the Oregonian who wanted more info, and Oregon Senator Jeff Murkley's aid contacted DHS today on my behalf. A few hours ago, I am at our camp sight and SIX cop cars pull up. They politely served me my paperwork, told me I was not in trouble, and whisked my kids away. They were traumatized to say the least. As this happened around 5:00PST I made some calls and I am now on my way to getting hammered. I will pick up the fight at 8:00am and keep all of you posted.
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Don't forget to bang an 18 year old!
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It was his brother, sheesh.
 
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