Clark is better than I realized.Decent chance a better pass rusher would have been there at #29.
Just awful by KC. They could have signed Trey Flowers, a better player, for less, and not given up a 1 and a future 2.Wow
@AdamSchefter: Chiefs and Frank Clark reached agreement on a 5 yrs, $105.5 million contract - greater total than DeMarcus Lawrence, with $63.5 million guaranteed, per source.
I don't like this deal for KC, but I disagree with the bolded.Seattle won this deal by a mile. Not sure what KC is thinking, especially with Clark wanting a new deal.
What has Clark done to make anyone assume he's better than Ford or Houston? Both of whom were let go for cheaper.
Decent chance a better pass rusher would have been there at #29.
Chiefs have had a very strange off season all around, and dealing a 1st for a guy who has never been better than a decent starter is the tip of the iceberg. This is a team that looks to have taken multiple steps backward, and that is assuming nothing happens with Tyreek Hill.
Great move by Seattle, who is quietly rebuilding, they just made the playoffs last year, and threw people off that. Russell Wilson, Doug Baldwin, and Bobby Wagner are all that is left of the Super Bowl years.
Clark doesn't suck, its just that they are giving a monster deal, and lots of draft capital to fix a problem, that they didn't need to create, and its very possible, I'd argue likely, that they are going to fail. I also wonder how much of Clark's production is Pete Carroll related. Guys like Bruce Irvin and Cliff Avril put up their best numbers for him.Clark is better than I realized.
Over the past three years he's averaging:
The Chiefs lost Dee Ford and Justin Houston, they really needed a pass rusher.
- 40 tackles
- over 10 sacks
- over 2 forced fumbles
- over 1 fumble recovery
- over 20 QB hits
Clark provides pass rush and he is a play maker they need on the EDGE after moving 3-4 DE Chris Jones inside to DT.
At first I thought they gave up too much but the 29th pick is a low first and they improve their position in the 3rd round this year. After checking the numbers and how few players in the league have had at least 9 sacks over the past three years to note his rare value. I don't think KC could have done any better.
It is a good trade for them but also a good deal for Seattle IMHO.
Clark is not just a guy. He is getting paid. He has serious off field issues in his past.Clark doesn't suck, its just that they are giving a monster deal, and lots of draft capital to fix a problem, that they didn't need to create, and its very possible, I'd argue likely, that they are going to fail. I also wonder how much of Clark's production is Pete Carroll related. Guys like Bruce Irvin and Cliff Avril put up their best numbers for him.
They got a 2nd for Ford, then traded a 1st and possibly that 2nd for Clark. Is Clark better than Ford, I'd answer no, but he's been more consistent, but even then, he's not an additional 1st rounder better.
Clark is now the 3rd highest paid defensive player in the NFL, behind only Mack and Donald, 2 HOF'ers in their primes. By comparison, Clark is just a guy, combine that with off field issues, which seem to really be attracting themselves to KC lately, and this feels to me like a move we look back in a couple years and wonder what KC was thinking.
Dee Ford had 2 sacks in 2017 because he only played 6 games. Frank Clark is a good, but as you mentioned has off-field issues. Frank Clark is not worth a 1 and a 2 if Dee Ford is only worth a 2. Factor in that they gave him an enormous contract and this deal does not look good for KC. Massive overpay on the contract and the draft compensation it took to get him.Clark is not just a guy. He is getting paid. He has serious off field issues in his past.
KC is switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 so Dee Ford and Justin Houston didn't fit. They needed a starting 4-3 DE and got one of the best in the league.
The draft compensation is low for the value.. KC would not get a sure thing like Clark's production in the draft.
Clark is only 25 years old. Dee Ford is 28 and Justin Houston is 30. He is in his prime at the perfect age to build around and not a Dee Ford coming off a career season after an inconsistent 2 sack season at a position that does not fit the scheme they are transitioning to.
You may not like it but it really does make sense for KC who have two more years under Mahomes contract to make a big move like this.
I like the deal for both teams.
Just that derogatory tweet to that female reporter.Clark hasn't had any off field issues since turning pro, has he?
That’s part of the problem, though. He missed 11 games in 2014, missed 5 games in 2015, tried to play through an injury in 2016 and was a non-factor (0 sacks through the last eight games), and missed 10 games in 2017. His healthy season in ‘18 was a pretty big anomaly.Dee Ford had 2 sacks in 2017 because he only played 6 games.
Yep and yep. Although I assumed Seattle was taking a top WR early no matter what. And to be honest if I were them I'd take two. Baldwin is on his last leg and Lockett is a role player, a good one, but they need a true #1 in the worst way.More good news for Damien Williams. Takes away two early picks where they could have drafted a rb. Seahawks have to give Russell a legitimate number one WR early now.
Edit: Missed that the 2nd is a 2020, but still
I look at it as a way for them to trade back with two first round picks now. Schneider can pick up a few more seconds, thirds, fourths.....Yep and yep. Although I assumed Seattle was taking a top WR early no matter what. And to be honest if I were them I'd take two. Baldwin is on his last leg and Lockett is a role player, a good one, but they need a true #1 in the worst way.
Isn't Ford playing DE for SF ?Didn't make sense at first why they'd trade away Ford just to trade for Clark.
But they're transitioning to a 4-3 and needed a DE instead of an OLB.
Not a bad trade for them, I guess.
Yes, and Houston will be playing 4-3 DE for Indianapolis, so it's clear that other GMs see them as potential fits in a 4-3. We'll see. Another wrinkle is that Spagnuolo himself favors big powerful edge rushers, which Ford is not. Houston is, but his production was not matching is pay grade. KC is essentially giving Houston's $20MM to Clark now, which should be a more productive use of that money.Isn't Ford playing DE for SF ?
https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthcharts.aspx
DEFENSE - SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
SFLDE94Thomas, Solomon 17/195Street, Kentavius 18/471Lewis-Moore, Kapron SF19
SFLDT91Armstead, Arik 15/193Jones, DJ 17/661THORNTON, CEDRIC SF18
SFRDT99Buckner, DeForest 16/196Day, Sheldon W/Jax
SFRDE00Ford, Dee T/KC9
Ford has missed a lot of games (Clark has missed 2 games in 4 years), Ford is older, isn't a fit for the new scheme, Clark has been consistently better. Houston is on the wrong side of 30, Clark is only 25 years old.Dee Ford had 2 sacks in 2017 because he only played 6 games. Frank Clark is a good, but as you mentioned has off-field issues. Frank Clark is not worth a 1 and a 2 if Dee Ford is only worth a 2. Factor in that they gave him an enormous contract and this deal does not look good for KC. Massive overpay on the contract and the draft compensation it took to get him.
He better be because they gave up picks and gave him a contract like he is Khalil Mack. I'm not saying he isn't good, but I don't think he is great and just think the picks combined with the draft compensation was too much for him.Bracie Smathers said:Louis RiddickVerified account @LRiddickESPN 5h5 hours ago
#Chiefs need pass rushers in their switch to a 4-3 that can play the run too! Frank Clark will do that for them better than anyone in this draft can. He is one of the best young DE’s in the #nfl.
Yeah absolutely. And when I said *early*, I meant relative to the WR ranks, not necessarily that they would be 1st rounders.ex-ghost said:I look at it as a way for them to trade back with two first round picks now. Schneider can pick up a few more seconds, thirds, fourths.....
Literally on his last leg. I would be surprised to see Baldwin ready week 1.barackdhouse said:Yep and yep. Although I assumed Seattle was taking a top WR early no matter what. And to be honest if I were them I'd take two. Baldwin is on his last leg and Lockett is a role player, a good one, but they need a true #1 in the worst way.
If that's true Seattle made a huge mistake... Why would they not take the value of the number 3 pick? More than likely there is a QB needy team that will reach for that pick to get ahead of the Raiders and Giants. If not, you have elite talent like Bosa or Williams.Bracie Smathers said:What the Jets were said to be offering.
https://twitter.com/ParkerLewisJR/status/1120760024664424454
Parker Lewis @ParkerLewisJR
Sounds like the Jets would've been willing to do a Frank Clark trade that included a first round pick swap (#3 for #21). The Chiefs deal probably makes more sense over the long haul for the Seahawks, but sitting at #3 on draft day would have been amazing.
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Why would Seattle not pounce on that deal?
They could have taken a blue-chip player at #3 or traded-down a couple of times to parlay the #3 pick into extra 2nd round picks in this draft and 'probably' at least one extra future 1st round pick and still get a 1st round pick higher than #29 or even higher than their 1st round pick at #21.
We see this all the time, though. Good young player lands a massive, record-breaking contract which looks preposterous until the next guy gets paid, then the guy after that makes even more, and as the process continues and the salary cap continues to increase, that first big contract looks cheaper and cheaper.There are only 15 players in the NFL making more than Frank Clark, 13 of which are QB's. I just can't get over what terrible resource management this move was.
JoeJoe88 said:More good news for Damien Williams. Takes away two early picks where they could have drafted a rb. Seahawks have to give Russell a legitimate number one WR early now.
Edit: Missed that the 2nd is a 2020, but still
barackdhouse said:Yep and yep. Although I assumed Seattle was taking a top WR early no matter what. And to be honest if I were them I'd take two. Baldwin is on his last leg and Lockett is a role player, a good one, but they need a true #1 in the worst way.
Well that may very well be. I guess I was saying what I think they should do, not necessarily what they will do. I like this WR class and see no reason why they couldn't get two of the top, say 6 or 7 in this class. I'd be surprised if they did. Certainly one, though.The current administration in Seattle nearly won back to back titles starting undrafted free agents on the outside at WR. I wouldn't mind them taking a WR, but I have my doubts that Carrol and Schneider value the WR position as much as you think they should.
Because of a couple plays? I bet all guys wish they got paid off a highlight reel.
Three consecutive years of top production.Because of a couple plays? I bet all guys wish they got paid off a highlight reel.
That's a very low bar for top production, if Clark's last 3 years qualify.Three consecutive years of top production.
You read it on the Intergoogle. Must be true.I saw the article about the Jets offering the #3 pick, for Clark and the #21.
29 is darn near a 2nd...Dee Ford had 2 sacks in 2017 because he only played 6 games. Frank Clark is a good, but as you mentioned has off-field issues. Frank Clark is not worth a 1 and a 2 if Dee Ford is only worth a 2. Factor in that they gave him an enormous contract and this deal does not look good for KC. Massive overpay on the contract and the draft compensation it took to get him.
True, but it also comes with a 5th year option which a 2nd does not. Even if it was a second I still wouldn't trade Dee Ford and a second for Frank Clark AND give him that contract. I hate the whole 4-3 3-4 argument too. A good coach should be able to figure out how to use talented players.29 is darn near a 2nd...
This is what I think some people are missing. Just because SEA got an A+ in the trade doesn't mean KC couldn't get an A-.Chiefs are in win now mode
I understand the NFL isn’t composed of choir boys but this just seemed like a strange trade acquisition given recent history with the franchise.Why are the chiefs still using draft picks to pick up guys who have beat up on women?