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Fred Davis a no-show for Skins (1 Viewer)

WampusCat43

WampusCat43

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Washington Redskins second-round draft pick Fred Davis did not show up for minicamp practice Sunday, prompting the team to send security officials to find the tight end.

"Everybody was scouring," coach Jim Zorn said after practice. "Nobody heard from him, so there was one of two scenarios. Either there was some real trouble and we needed to find him, or he screwed up. I haven't even got to talk to him yet. I know he has been found. I believe it is more in the 'I screwed up' category."

The team was expected to give more details on Davis' absence later Sunday.

Davis was the 48th overall pick out of Southern California in last weekend's draft. He and the other rookies were staying in a local hotel during the three-day minicamp that ended Sunday.

 
Dominique Byrd looked pretty promising to a lot of people coming out of USC...things have not gone very well for him. The Skins who already have one of the best TE in the league take Fred Davis in the 2nd round.

I'm sure it's a minor thing but it doesn't get you off on the right foot.

 
WampusCat43 said:
The team was expected to give more details on Davis' absence later Sunday.
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On the final day of the Washington Redskins' minicamp, Jim Zorn was confronted with the first challenge of his nascent head coaching career when former Southern Cal tight end Fred Davis, the team's second selection in last weekend's NFL draft, did not report to practice yesterday and had to be located by team security personnel. Davis overslept and was not involved in any legal trouble, said Zack Bolno, Washington's executive director of communications.

Zorn, who is in his first year as a head coach after spending the past seven seasons as the Seattle Seahawks' quarterbacks coach, had a lengthy meeting in his office with Davis in the afternoon, according to Bolno. When asked if Davis would be disciplined, Bolno said the matter would be handled internally. Attempts to contact Davis were unsuccessful.
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Receivers and TEs from SC are starting to earn a terrible rep.

It's up to Steve Smith to save them!

 
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:reche: :eek:

:frerotte: :wall:

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-QG

 
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Ricky Williams during interviews :bag:

Jim McMahon ;)

Ted Washington :porked:

Fun bunch ;)

And a couple of non-football ones for Oscar Gamble :fro: and

Gabriel Saez :thumbup:

 
If I was an agent I wouldn't even let my rookies go to these camps (rounds 1-3).

I remember Merriman didn't go in his rookie year.

They are not under contract. If Davis showed up, blew out his knee and it was a career ending injury, you still think he gets that 12M contract a 2nd round pick would make?

It would be the Redskins not answering the phone, from Davis sitting in the hospital. We've already seen 2 rookies with pulled hammys. You're not under contract, you've already been drafted, and if you suffer a major injury you'd lose millons. They are forced to sign up regardless if you're a 2nd round pick.

As a rookie you shouldn't step foot on a field after the draft until you sign the contract.

 
teamroc said:
If I was an agent I wouldn't even let my rookies go to these camps (rounds 1-3).I remember Merriman didn't go in his rookie year.They are not under contract. If Davis showed up, blew out his knee and it was a career ending injury, you still think he gets that 12M contract a 2nd round pick would make?It would be the Redskins not answering the phone, from Davis sitting in the hospital. We've already seen 2 rookies with pulled hammys. You're not under contract, you've already been drafted, and if you suffer a major injury you'd lose millons. They are forced to sign up regardless if you're a 2nd round pick. As a rookie you shouldn't step foot on a field after the draft until you sign the contract.
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Man, get outta here with that. You do realize how long contracts take to negotiate? Months. Particularly, a couple HUNDRED of them. Most of these guys know its a privilege to play in the NFL and even have an opportunity to earn a $12M contract, which I dont think Fred Davis is coming close to by the way. And one of the few BAD things with the NFL is that the agents already play far too significant of a role as it is. Show up, WAKE UP, play, make your money, and be happy. Im sure the 2% of the athletes out there who would actually fall in line with what your talking about, skipping rookie camps, can easily be replaced. I hear what youre saying. On some level it makes sense. Just not a very realistic level.
 
twitch said:
teamroc said:
If I was an agent I wouldn't even let my rookies go to these camps (rounds 1-3).I remember Merriman didn't go in his rookie year.They are not under contract. If Davis showed up, blew out his knee and it was a career ending injury, you still think he gets that 12M contract a 2nd round pick would make?It would be the Redskins not answering the phone, from Davis sitting in the hospital. We've already seen 2 rookies with pulled hammys. You're not under contract, you've already been drafted, and if you suffer a major injury you'd lose millons. They are forced to sign up regardless if you're a 2nd round pick. As a rookie you shouldn't step foot on a field after the draft until you sign the contract.
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Man, get outta here with that. You do realize how long contracts take to negotiate? Months. Particularly, a couple HUNDRED of them. Most of these guys know its a privilege to play in the NFL and even have an opportunity to earn a $12M contract, which I dont think Fred Davis is coming close to by the way. And one of the few BAD things with the NFL is that the agents already play far too significant of a role as it is. Show up, WAKE UP, play, make your money, and be happy. Im sure the 2% of the athletes out there who would actually fall in line with what your talking about, skipping rookie camps, can easily be replaced. I hear what youre saying. On some level it makes sense. Just not a very realistic level.
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*lol* I'm glad your coffee kicked in by the end.It makes PERFECT sense. And players have held out. And it's not even holding out. They are NOT UNDER CONTRACT. To do anything. At all. Lets say you're fresh out of college. At a job fair a company is very interested in hiring you. You'd make crazy money, but for the first 3 months you'll be posted in Iraq. They'll buy you a plane ticket, send you over there, and assure you they'll be hard at work finalizing your huge contract. Of course you won’t be getting paid until it's done, but be a team player mmmkay?Uh, no. You don't risk millons due to peer pressure. And I said round 1-3 players. You're gonna replace all your day one picks? *LOL* With who? If Felix Jones doesn't want to join any rookie camps until he's under contract, fine Felix, we'll REPLACE YOU! *lol* And it actually happens all the time. Rookies don't show up, for various "camps" until a deal is done. Why risk it? For what? Honor? Courage? Seriously, this is business. The teams treat it like business, the players should treat it like business. Because we all know if Davis would have broken his neck last weekend at the skins camp, the Skins sure as hell arent signing him to a contract.
 
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teamroc said:
If I was an agent I wouldn't even let my rookies go to these camps (rounds 1-3).I remember Merriman didn't go in his rookie year.They are not under contract. If Davis showed up, blew out his knee and it was a career ending injury, you still think he gets that 12M contract a 2nd round pick would make?It would be the Redskins not answering the phone, from Davis sitting in the hospital. We've already seen 2 rookies with pulled hammys. You're not under contract, you've already been drafted, and if you suffer a major injury you'd lose millons. They are forced to sign up regardless if you're a 2nd round pick. As a rookie you shouldn't step foot on a field after the draft until you sign the contract.
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Merriman was a special talent with more bargaining power. He also plays a position at which you could get productive very fast with less practice time. As for losing money, the players are covered by the CBA as I understand it, and sign temporary contracts with their teams covering mini-camps, and also insuring them against injury. It's obviously not as good as a regular contract, but they are covered and get significant payouts in the event that they suffer career-ending injuries in rookie mini-camp.
 
teamroc said:
twitch said:
teamroc said:
If I was an agent I wouldn't even let my rookies go to these camps (rounds 1-3).I remember Merriman didn't go in his rookie year.They are not under contract. If Davis showed up, blew out his knee and it was a career ending injury, you still think he gets that 12M contract a 2nd round pick would make?It would be the Redskins not answering the phone, from Davis sitting in the hospital. We've already seen 2 rookies with pulled hammys. You're not under contract, you've already been drafted, and if you suffer a major injury you'd lose millons. They are forced to sign up regardless if you're a 2nd round pick. As a rookie you shouldn't step foot on a field after the draft until you sign the contract.
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Man, get outta here with that. You do realize how long contracts take to negotiate? Months. Particularly, a couple HUNDRED of them. Most of these guys know its a privilege to play in the NFL and even have an opportunity to earn a $12M contract, which I dont think Fred Davis is coming close to by the way. And one of the few BAD things with the NFL is that the agents already play far too significant of a role as it is. Show up, WAKE UP, play, make your money, and be happy. Im sure the 2% of the athletes out there who would actually fall in line with what your talking about, skipping rookie camps, can easily be replaced. I hear what youre saying. On some level it makes sense. Just not a very realistic level.
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*lol* I'm glad your coffee kicked in by the end.It makes PERFECT sense. And players have held out. And it's not even holding out. They are NOT UNDER CONTRACT. To do anything. At all. Lets say you're fresh out of college. At a job fair a company is very interested in hiring you. You'd make crazy money, but for the first 3 months you'll be posted in Iraq. They'll buy you a plane ticket, send you over there, and assure you they'll be hard at work finalizing your huge contract. Of course you won’t be getting paid until it's done, but be a team player mmmkay?Uh, no. You don't risk millons due to peer pressure. And I said round 1-3 players. You're gonna replace all your day one picks? *LOL* With who? If Felix Jones doesn't want to join any rookie camps until he's under contract, fine Felix, we'll REPLACE YOU! *lol* And it actually happens all the time. Rookies don't show up, for various "camps" until a deal is done. Why risk it? For what? Honor? Courage? Seriously, this is business. The teams treat it like business, the players should treat it like business. Because we all know if Davis would have broken his neck last weekend at the skins camp, the Skins sure as hell arent signing him to a contract.
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I heard some of these coaches run tough mini-camps, but Iraq? Seriously? Actually the true answer to all this is that the (smart) agents will have taken care of this with insurance policies against injuries. I'm sure this is standard practice and why the rooks make their way out there.-QG
 
QuizGuy66 said:
I heard some of these coaches run tough mini-camps, but Iraq? Seriously? Actually the true answer to all this is that the (smart) agents will have taken care of this with insurance policies against injuries. I'm sure this is standard practice and why the rooks make their way out there.-QG
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Why don't unsigned rookies play in preseason games? Couldn't they just get insurance?Clearly it's too risky. And my view is, you can blow out a knee in training camp also. So why risk it? You think every single rookie in the top 100 took out a 5-10million dollar insurance policy? I doubt it. As I said, it's happened before. And I'm surprised more rookies don't stay away until they sign.
 
teamroc said:
Why don't unsigned rookies play in preseason games? Couldn't they just get insurance?
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I'm assuming by "unsigned rookies" you mean holdouts, so they're not attending most, if not all of TC/OTAs/mini-camps.Why don't they play in preseason games? Because they don't know a lick of the playbook. Why would a coach give anyone playing time, signed or unsigned, if they have no idea how to run the plays called? You're bringing up a situation that has absolutely nothing to do with money and everything to do with being able to perform/compete with the upper echelon of your field.
 
teamroc said:
QuizGuy66 said:
I heard some of these coaches run tough mini-camps, but Iraq? Seriously? Actually the true answer to all this is that the (smart) agents will have taken care of this with insurance policies against injuries. I'm sure this is standard practice and why the rooks make their way out there.-QG
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Why don't unsigned rookies play in preseason games? Couldn't they just get insurance?Clearly it's too risky. And my view is, you can blow out a knee in training camp also. So why risk it? You think every single rookie in the top 100 took out a 5-10million dollar insurance policy? I doubt it. As I said, it's happened before. And I'm surprised more rookies don't stay away until they sign.
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It seems that you're pretty close to answering your own question. Rookies show up for minicamp because they and their agents believe that the benefits largely outweigh the risks. They stay away from training camp (and preseason games) because they believe otherwise (and I believe the arrangement has probably been formalized through the CBA). This makes perfect sense. It's not as if there isn't a cost for missing camp. If the camp presents a significant risk of injury before a contract is signed, then maybe it makes sense to skip it. Minicamps don't really present the same risk. There's not a lot of full contact drills. Anyone who's even tweaked is held out of drills. The risk is probably only marginally more than that presented by staying in shape on your own. So rookies participate for the same reason that they continue to run and lift weights before a contract is signed. Because it makes economic sense.
 
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