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Fred Jackson & C.J. Spiller, RBs, Buffalo Bills (1 Viewer)

Fjax looked ordinary yesterday. That td he scored was on spiller's legs. Spiller brought them down the field and they they threw in fjax to pop it in. Spiller on the other hand looked dynamic...like he was in the first 3 games. Chan gailey needs to sway this rbbc towards spiller.
F Jax is a great back and he's getting healthier every week. They have no reason to sway one way or another. Both are great weapons.
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I absolutely hate owning both of these backs in a 2 RB league with no flex. They're basically taking up 2 roster spots while providing no production.
No production? This week in my .5 PPR league (with 3/4 of the Sunday night game done):Spiller is the #4 RB this week.

Fred is the #13 RB this week.
Yeah, unless they have a tough matchup like last week vs SF, I think most people would be happy to start both on a weekly basis when both are healthy.Gator> thats your own fault for playing in a league where you can only start 2 RB's. The vast majority of even basic leagues allow you to start 3, hell, in all of my money leagues I can start 4 and I dont think that is all that uncommon.
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Arent the vast majority of basic leagues start 2RBs/2WRs/flex, or in other words you are allowed start 3 RBs like I said?? In my leagues, we have 2 flexes, so you can start 4 RBs. I figured many other FBGs at least had leagues with 2 flexes, but maybe Im wrong. Regardless, I would think 90%+ leagues have at least a flex which the OP says his league does not.
 
Fjax looked ordinary yesterday. That td he scored was on spiller's legs. Spiller brought them down the field and they they threw in fjax to pop it in.

Spiller on the other hand looked dynamic...like he was in the first 3 games.

Chan gailey needs to sway this rbbc towards spiller.
I only have Spiller in 1 league, but Ive barely seen him play at all this year because of how busy Ive been. Today was my first sunday off in 6 weeks, they played his TD on a game break, and I literally rewinded and rewatched it 4 times. What a filthy move to slip the tackle and then take it outside for the TD.I was very high on him his rookie year. I wouldnt say I was down on him this year, but I think like many I believed BUF would be giving FJax 2/3rds or more of the carries regardless of how good Spiller looked last year once FJax was toast. I still think that had a very chance of coming true had FJax not gotten injured early, but at this point it looks like a blessing in disguise for both Spiller owners and the Bills coming to an obvious realization Spiller should be getting at least half of their RB touches.

 
The writing is on the wall. With 3 offensive linemen down we all know Gailey has to use Spiller more. Spiller can create on his own with mediocre run blocking. Fred Jackson cannot. Pass protection is also an issue as Fitzpatrick doesn't have time to make plays. They are going to lean on the run game for a while until their regular offensive linemen returns.
This favors Jackson.
As a third down back.
 
(KFFL)Buffalo Bills RB C.J. Spiller said he and RB Fred Jackson will continue to rotate every two series like they have been the last few games. Spiller said the team rotated the running backs every series when Jackson returned from his knee injury but decided neither running back could get into a rhythm in that situation. "We thought it would be best if we did two series so that is what we have done these last two games. We will continue to do that. If they want us in on certain plays, the coaching staff will do that but as far as me and Fred are concerned, we think two to three series each is better because it kind of keeps everybody fresh," Spiller said.

So fellas, if you own both and have other decent options at RB. Which of the two do you start?

 
(KFFL)Buffalo Bills RB C.J. Spiller said he and RB Fred Jackson will continue to rotate every two series like they have been the last few games. Spiller said the team rotated the running backs every series when Jackson returned from his knee injury but decided neither running back could get into a rhythm in that situation. "We thought it would be best if we did two series so that is what we have done these last two games. We will continue to do that. If they want us in on certain plays, the coaching staff will do that but as far as me and Fred are concerned, we think two to three series each is better because it kind of keeps everybody fresh," Spiller said.So fellas, if you own both and have other decent options at RB. Which of the two do you start?
If I had to choose between them, I'd go with Spiller. He's shown more big play ability and has been ( aside from his 1st week back from injury against NE and the SF blowout ) a solid contributor on limited touches.
 
(KFFL)Buffalo Bills RB C.J. Spiller said he and RB Fred Jackson will continue to rotate every two series like they have been the last few games. Spiller said the team rotated the running backs every series when Jackson returned from his knee injury but decided neither running back could get into a rhythm in that situation. "We thought it would be best if we did two series so that is what we have done these last two games. We will continue to do that. If they want us in on certain plays, the coaching staff will do that but as far as me and Fred are concerned, we think two to three series each is better because it kind of keeps everybody fresh," Spiller said.So fellas, if you own both and have other decent options at RB. Which of the two do you start?
Spiller probably has a better chance of getting more yardage, while F Jax has a better chance of scoring a TD. The number of receptions looks like it's going to be about even. Spiller is obviously the bigger threat to break the long one, while they pulled Spiller and let Jackson get the goalline carry last week, which he converted.
 
I have both and started Spiller last week.

Will be starting them both this week as I have Charles on a bye, but will likely start Spiller going forward unless things change.

 
102 total yards for Spiller and 120 yards plus a touchdown for Jackson. It's a bit surprising they didn't each have more attempts but I'm just going from the box score.

 
Had Spiller in over FJax, cost me about 10 points. Both seemed very effective against a terrible D. The 2 series rotation seemed to hold except when one of them needed aa breather.

I think most weeks I'd still take CJ due to the HR threat.

 
I think both of them could have had much better games. They were gashing the Titans. I think the Bills would have won if they would have just kept giving the ball to these two instead of having Fitz sling it all over the place.

 
I think both of them could have had much better games. They were gashing the Titans. I think the Bills would have won if they would have just kept giving the ball to these two instead of having Fitz sling it all over the place.
As bad that run defense is, you have to put that loss on Fitz. That INT with 3 minutes left was horrible.That offense would be a pinball machine if they had a good QB.
 
I think both of them could have had much better games. They were gashing the Titans. I think the Bills would have won if they would have just kept giving the ball to these two instead of having Fitz sling it all over the place.
As bad that run defense is, you have to put that loss on Fitz. That INT with 3 minutes left was horrible.That offense would be a pinball machine if they had a good QB.
they scored points on 5 of their first 6 drives in the game.it was a terrible INT and he also had a costly fumble.defense was clearly the reason for the loss, IMO. They just needed to keep the Titans out of the end zone at the end and couldn't do it.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
I think both of them could have had much better games. They were gashing the Titans. I think the Bills would have won if they would have just kept giving the ball to these two instead of having Fitz sling it all over the place.
As bad that run defense is, you have to put that loss on Fitz. That INT with 3 minutes left was horrible.That offense would be a pinball machine if they had a good QB.
they scored points on 5 of their first 6 drives in the game.it was a terrible INT and he also had a costly fumble.defense was clearly the reason for the loss, IMO. They just needed to keep the Titans out of the end zone at the end and couldn't do it.
Yeah, but you don't let Fitzpatrick throw 35 times while running 21 when Spiller/FJax average almost 7 a carry. That's horrible.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
I think both of them could have had much better games. They were gashing the Titans. I think the Bills would have won if they would have just kept giving the ball to these two instead of having Fitz sling it all over the place.
As bad that run defense is, you have to put that loss on Fitz. That INT with 3 minutes left was horrible.That offense would be a pinball machine if they had a good QB.
they scored points on 5 of their first 6 drives in the game.it was a terrible INT and he also had a costly fumble.defense was clearly the reason for the loss, IMO. They just needed to keep the Titans out of the end zone at the end and couldn't do it.
Fair and good points - both teams knew going in it was probably going to be a shootout. But Fitz has a profound lack of situational awareness. 3rd and 7 at midfield with less than 3 minutes left isn't the time to try to force it in to Donald Jones (Donald Jones!). If it's not there, that throws goes 8 feet over everyone's head into the bench, punt, and let's see if Hasselback can drive them 90 yards. That was a Sanchez-like mistake. He has too many starts under his belt to be making that kind of mental error.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
I think both of them could have had much better games. They were gashing the Titans. I think the Bills would have won if they would have just kept giving the ball to these two instead of having Fitz sling it all over the place.
As bad that run defense is, you have to put that loss on Fitz. That INT with 3 minutes left was horrible.That offense would be a pinball machine if they had a good QB.
they scored points on 5 of their first 6 drives in the game.it was a terrible INT and he also had a costly fumble.defense was clearly the reason for the loss, IMO. They just needed to keep the Titans out of the end zone at the end and couldn't do it.
Yeah, but you don't let Fitzpatrick throw 35 times while running 21 when Spiller/FJax average almost 7 a carry. That's horrible.
Chris Johnson was averaging 10 yards per carry and only got 18 attempts while Hasselbeck threw it 33 times.Bills were trailing for most of the game since their defense is a complete sieve.That same QB threw 2 TDs in the third quarter to put them in the lead.And a pass to the RB in the Bills offense isn't much different than a run. F.Jackson and Spiller combined for 14 receptions in the game. They both got plenty of touches.
 
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'Aaron Rudnicki said:
I think both of them could have had much better games. They were gashing the Titans. I think the Bills would have won if they would have just kept giving the ball to these two instead of having Fitz sling it all over the place.
As bad that run defense is, you have to put that loss on Fitz. That INT with 3 minutes left was horrible.That offense would be a pinball machine if they had a good QB.
they scored points on 5 of their first 6 drives in the game.it was a terrible INT and he also had a costly fumble.defense was clearly the reason for the loss, IMO. They just needed to keep the Titans out of the end zone at the end and couldn't do it.
Fair and good points - both teams knew going in it was probably going to be a shootout. But Fitz has a profound lack of situational awareness. 3rd and 7 at midfield with less than 3 minutes left isn't the time to try to force it in to Donald Jones (Donald Jones!). If it's not there, that throws goes 8 feet over everyone's head into the bench, punt, and let's see if Hasselback can drive them 90 yards. That was a Sanchez-like mistake. He has too many starts under his belt to be making that kind of mental error.
It was an awful throw at a bad time. He did the same kinds of things against the Giants last year to blow that game.Still doesn't absolve the defense of their embarassing performance. Most of the money on this team is spend on the defense. Wanndstedt is a former head coach and Super Bowl winning coordinator. A lot more is expected of them.The offense put up 27 points. The defense gave up 35 and didn't force any turnovers. You don't ever deserve to win a game when your defense gives up 35 points and forced no turnovers.Bills offensive drives in the game through the first 3 quarters:13 plays, 78 yards, TD10 plays, 68 yards, FG10 plays, 63 yards, FG1 play, -14 yards, fumble7 plays, 66 yards, TD9 plays, 80 yards, TDthrow in a special teams touchdown and the game should have been in hand at that point if the defense was even slightly below average.4th quarter drives:5 plays, 10 yards, punt (awful punt)3 plays, 3 yards, INT
1st-10, BUF36 3:55 F. Jackson rushed to the right for 4 yard gain 2nd-6, BUF40 3:12 R. Fitzpatrick passed to C. Spiller to the right for 1 yard loss 3rd-7, BUF39 2:57 J. McCourty intercepted R. Fitzpatrick for no gain
:shrug: They got 4 yards on 1st and got shut down on 2nd using a play that had worked for them pretty well all day.Then they threw 4 more times on the last drive.
 
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Aaron, you follow them more closely than most. Seems like these two RBs get theirs regrdless of how Fitz plays. Obvs there have been a couple bad run D matchups so far, but just in general, against average/below aaverage run defenses.

ROS is favorable. Fitz has a history of playing worse as the season goes along, but I like this combo and think they'll have some solid games.

 
Still curious to see how other owners are handling these guys. Are you starting both when they have a favorable matchup? Sitting them both when they go against Houston and Miami? Trading one?

I'm looking at holding on to Spiller and trading Jackson. Both are solid RB2's rest of the way but it can be a real killer to have 2 RB's facing a bad matchup one week and have to turn elsewhere. I do hate the idea of giving away a potential top 5-10 RB if one of them goes down, though.

 
Still curious to see how other owners are handling these guys. Are you starting both when they have a favorable matchup? Sitting them both when they go against Houston and Miami? Trading one?I'm looking at holding on to Spiller and trading Jackson. Both are solid RB2's rest of the way but it can be a real killer to have 2 RB's facing a bad matchup one week and have to turn elsewhere. I do hate the idea of giving away a potential top 5-10 RB if one of them goes down, though.
We can play 2RB's and a flex so I'm holding both. If I traded one for sure it would be the wrong one. I'll never sit Spiller - too explosive as long as he's healthy.
 
I started both in week 7 for the first time due to injuries. It worked out OK, but I'm not comfortable doing that every week. Against a tough matchup I'd probably start Spiller and hopefully find someone else at flex.

 
I can only start two RBs. The rest of schedule looks tough to me. I have DMC and Mathews. Plus my trade deadline is passed.

What to do? I played Spiller last two weeks and he has been out scored by Jackson.

Sucks...

 
I am a Jackson owner who has sat him every week since he's been back. However, it seems like he is still consistently getting his and my guess is that they want him to be more of the workhorse and Spiller the changeup. Like 18-12, 20-15 in favor of FJax. And he's getting the goal-line work, no?

So while I do agree that Spiller is a viable option and could take over at some point, right now I am leaning toward making FJax my regular RB2 or Flex. FWIW.

 
I am a Jackson owner who has sat him every week since he's been back. However, it seems like he is still consistently getting his and my guess is that they want him to be more of the workhorse and Spiller the changeup. Like 18-12, 20-15 in favor of FJax. And he's getting the goal-line work, no?

So while I do agree that Spiller is a viable option and could take over at some point, right now I am leaning toward making FJax my regular RB2 or Flex. FWIW.
So what you are saying is you haven't been watching the games.Two series, two series out. Rinse and repeat. Both backs get 3rd down and GL opportunities if that comes in their series. The most exact 50-50 split in the NFL today.

That said, with a good matchup, either makes a decent flex or an upside RB2.

ETA: full disclosure - own 'em both, watch most of their games real time.

 
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So what you are saying is you haven't been watching the games.Two series, two series out. Rinse and repeat. Both backs get 3rd down and GL opportunities if that comes in their series. The most exact 50-50 split in the NFL today.That said, with a good matchup, either makes a decent flex or an upside RB2.ETA: full disclosure - own 'em both, watch most of their games real time.
Sometimes they do switch in and out, during a series - any insite on this? And I could have sworn Jackson got all GL work, but I could be mistaken.
 
So what you are saying is you haven't been watching the games.

Two series, two series out. Rinse and repeat. Both backs get 3rd down and GL opportunities if that comes in their series. The most exact 50-50 split in the NFL today.

That said, with a good matchup, either makes a decent flex or an upside RB2.

ETA: full disclosure - own 'em both, watch most of their games real time.
Sometimes they do switch in and out, during a series - any insite on this?

And I could have sworn Jackson got all GL work, but I could be mistaken.
Only when the current rb on that drive needs a breather.
 
So what you are saying is you haven't been watching the games.

Two series, two series out. Rinse and repeat. Both backs get 3rd down and GL opportunities if that comes in their series. The most exact 50-50 split in the NFL today.

That said, with a good matchup, either makes a decent flex or an upside RB2.

ETA: full disclosure - own 'em both, watch most of their games real time.
Sometimes they do switch in and out, during a series - any insite on this? And I could have sworn Jackson got all GL work, but I could be mistaken.
Post #160Last game Jackson had 17 touches while Spiller had 18.

Game Log

1st Q, 1st series - all FJax, TD pass FJax

1st Q, Brad Smith ran back kickoff for a TD

2nd Q, 2nd series - Spiller 5 touches, FJax 2 (CJ took a 2-play breather after a 20 yard run, came back in to run 2 more) FG

2nd Q, 3rd series - all FJax, FG

3rd Q, 4th Series - Fitz sack & fumble lost on first play

3rd Q, 5th Series - Spiller 4 touches, FJax 2, TD pass Donald Jones

3rd Q, 6th Series - FJax 5 touches, Spiller 2, TD pass Stevie Johnson

4th Q, 7th Series - all Spiller, punt

4th Q, 8th Series - FJax run, Spiller reception, Fitz interception

4th Q, 9th Series - 4 and out

 
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So what you are saying is you haven't been watching the games.

Two series, two series out. Rinse and repeat. Both backs get 3rd down and GL opportunities if that comes in their series. The most exact 50-50 split in the NFL today.

That said, with a good matchup, either makes a decent flex or an upside RB2.

ETA: full disclosure - own 'em both, watch most of their games real time.
Sometimes they do switch in and out, during a series - any insite on this? And I could have sworn Jackson got all GL work, but I could be mistaken.
Post #160Last game Jackson had 17 touches while Spiller had 18.

Game Log

1st Q, 1st series - all FJax, TD pass FJax

1st Q, Brad Smith ran back kickoff for a TD

2nd Q, 2nd series - Spiller 5 touches, FJax 2 (CJ took a 2-play breather after a 20 yard run, came back in to run 2 more) FG

2nd Q, 3rd series - all FJax, FG

3rd Q, 4th Series - Fitz sack & fumble lost on first play

3rd Q, 5th Series - Spiller 4 touches, FJax 2, TD pass Donald Jones

3rd Q, 6th Series - FJax 5 touches, Spiller 2, TD pass Stevie Johnson

4th Q, 7th Series - all Spiller, punt

4th Q, 8th Series - FJax run, Spiller reception, Fitz interception

4th Q, 9th Series - 4 and out
Awesome. Thanks for this.
 
Actually, snap counts the last two weeks did favor FJax: 40-30 week 6, 37-29 week 7. Touches have been 38-34.

So I guess it is fair to say the coaches favor Jackson slightly.

 
I am a Jackson owner who has sat him every week since he's been back. However, it seems like he is still consistently getting his and my guess is that they want him to be more of the workhorse and Spiller the changeup. Like 18-12, 20-15 in favor of FJax. And he's getting the goal-line work, no?

So while I do agree that Spiller is a viable option and could take over at some point, right now I am leaning toward making FJax my regular RB2 or Flex. FWIW.
So what you are saying is you haven't been watching the games.Two series, two series out. Rinse and repeat. Both backs get 3rd down and GL opportunities if that comes in their series. The most exact 50-50 split in the NFL today.

That said, with a good matchup, either makes a decent flex or an upside RB2.

ETA: full disclosure - own 'em both, watch most of their games real time.
You know how much money it would take to get me to watch a Bills' game?Thanks for the insight in this thread. Perhaps I'm grasping at straws trying to get a handle on this. FJax is probably my most difficult decision each week.

 
I am a Jackson owner who has sat him every week since he's been back. However, it seems like he is still consistently getting his and my guess is that they want him to be more of the workhorse and Spiller the changeup. Like 18-12, 20-15 in favor of FJax. And he's getting the goal-line work, no?

So while I do agree that Spiller is a viable option and could take over at some point, right now I am leaning toward making FJax my regular RB2 or Flex. FWIW.
So what you are saying is you haven't been watching the games.Two series, two series out. Rinse and repeat. Both backs get 3rd down and GL opportunities if that comes in their series. The most exact 50-50 split in the NFL today.

That said, with a good matchup, either makes a decent flex or an upside RB2.

ETA: full disclosure - own 'em both, watch most of their games real time.
You know how much money it would take to get me to watch a Bills' game?Thanks for the insight in this thread. Perhaps I'm grasping at straws trying to get a handle on this. FJax is probably my most difficult decision each week.
:lol: It's an interesting situation - pretty much the FF owner nightmare because it's so close to being an even split, yet with a good matchup, I think either one is worth rolling out. Not like leaning on Fitz is going to win them games.

 
It's all good, bro. I realize the default in TSP is literal interpretation, but we have more in common than differences in our thinking about this one.

 
Fred Jackson - 5G, 21 targets, 17-134-1

C.J. Spiller - 7G, 22 targets, 19-173-1

@HOU -33.2%

@NE -15.3%

MIA -15.7%

@IND 21.3%

JAC 36.0%

STL -5.5%

SEA -24.6%

@MIA -15.7%

NYJ 13.2%
I dunno, this schedule looks pretty tough run D wise, however few teams that should force the Bills to pass because theyre down big. What are these percentages correlating with? I assume they are with an FBG SOS, but the color changes dont make sense really with that in mind.I have a gaping hole at WR3 in a start 3 WR league, but Im stocked at RB with Rice, AD, McGahee, Spiller, Leshoure...Im in first and starting to feel like swinging for the fences and shipping Spiller to a RB needy team because while I love the talent, I like those first 3 guys situations more right now. The Demaryius Thomas owner's RBs are CJ, DWill, Redman, and Draughn :unsure:

ETA: Im guessing the percentages are targets caught by the RBs, but just without looking up stats, 2/3rds of those teams strike me as above average or better run D's

 
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Fred Jackson - 5G, 21 targets, 17-134-1

C.J. Spiller - 7G, 22 targets, 19-173-1

@HOU -33.2%

@NE -15.3%

MIA -15.7%

@IND 21.3%

JAC 36.0%

STL -5.5%

SEA -24.6%

@MIA -15.7%

NYJ 13.2%
I dunno, this schedule looks pretty tough run D wise, however few teams that should force the Bills to pass because theyre down big. What are these percentages correlating with? I assume they are with an FBG SOS, but the color changes dont make sense really with that in mind.I have a gaping hole at WR3 in a start 3 WR league, but Im stocked at RB with Rice, AD, McGahee, Spiller, Leshoure...Im in first and starting to feel like swinging for the fences and shipping Spiller to a RB needy team because while I love the talent, I like those first 3 guys situations more right now. The Demaryius Thomas owner's RBs are CJ, DWill, Redman, and Draughn :unsure:

ETA: Im guessing the percentages are targets caught by the RBs, but just without looking up stats, 2/3rds of those teams strike me as above average or better run D's
The data is a week old - I'll try to post an updated ROS. But the basic formula is % above or % below average FF PTS ALLOWED TO RBS (PPR). Red is a tough D, Green is easy - soley with respect to FF pts allowed to RBs, not IRL.
 
FWIW (compare this to your FF situation), I have Martin and Old Man Willis. 10 days or so ago I looked @ ROS and figured I would start CJ/FJax no more than 2 times the rest of the way. This week ain't one of 'em.

 
FF PTS ALLOWED TO RBS (PPR)

@HOU -32.9%

@NE -15.0%

MIA -18.3%

@IND 14.0%

JAC 26.8%

STL 6.0%

SEA -22.4%

@MIA -18.3%

NYJ 9.1%

 
Jackson now droppable? :unsure:
Shallow leagues, yes.But he is one of the most clearly defined handcuffs around if you have the space. Had a couple elite 25+ point games in PPR (TEN and @NE) so no reason to dump him.
Yeah, debating this myself in a 10-teamer. It is tricky because you figure at any moment, Spiller could be out and Jackson can step right in and produce. Weeks 15 and 16 are fairly difficult though (Sea, Mia).
 
Jackson now droppable? :unsure:
Shallow leagues, yes.But he is one of the most clearly defined handcuffs around if you have the space. Had a couple elite 25+ point games in PPR (TEN and @NE) so no reason to dump him.
Yeah, debating this myself in a 10-teamer. It is tricky because you figure at any moment, Spiller could be out and Jackson can step right in and produce. Weeks 15 and 16 are fairly difficult though (Sea, Mia).
I'm in a 12 x 15 and dropped him for David Wilson. I let go a sure handcuff to my starter for a long shot flier (really not much value unless Bradshaw goes down). I figure Ahmad has more injury history but its a crap shoot trying to predict that. I did it mainly because I think Wilson is a special talent, and if he gets opportunity (BIG if), he will explode.If Spiller stays healthy, he might have some more monster games in the last 4 weeks. If he can't go, I think FJax will be more than adequate, but I feel his ceiling is lower.

Worst case for Wilson, he sees limited touches. I have two really talented starting RBs who I believe are largely match-up proof IMO: Doug Martin and C.J. Spiller. If I am wrong (or if one of those two gets hurt), so be it. My bet is they're both studs and I'm rolling with what got me here for the ROS.

ETA (for comparison sake): I also have Moreno, but he's nailed to the bench. Do not break glass except in an emergency thing.

 
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