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Fred Taylor vs Pittsburg this week (1 Viewer)
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He has missed 4 of his last 65 games, I don't think the nickname fits anymore. People who don't realize this let him slip in the draft. If he is your RB#3 (as thats as high as he should have been drafted) he will have a rough week, but will be one of the better RB#3s out there this year.In short he will have a rough week but will outperform his draft position by a long shot this year.
I'm sitting him (unless Westbrook cant go 
).
R. Browns 30 yards on 15 carries last week is a pretty good indicator of how good the Pitt D is. They shut down the running game, and forced CPep to put it up 37 times.
They'll try the same strategy on Jac - shut down Taylor and pressure the heck out of Leftwich.
).R. Browns 30 yards on 15 carries last week is a pretty good indicator of how good the Pitt D is. They shut down the running game, and forced CPep to put it up 37 times.
They'll try the same strategy on Jac - shut down Taylor and pressure the heck out of Leftwich.
Big Score
Footballguy
He's spent a lot of time on the bench earning that nickname. Why do you want to take it away from him?
Because I drafted him?Or maybe because I am hoping that I am making my observations based on all the data availible, not tired witty nicknames that may not accurately describe the situation today. I know you are joking but I have a feeling about Fred this year. He wont be a top 10 back, but he will outperform his ADP.He's spent a lot of time on the bench earning that nickname. Why do you want to take it away from him?
The reasonable bet is that Pitt locks down on Jax. But, Jax gets no respect. They beat Pitt and Cincy last year. Greg Jones ran pretty good against Pitt last year. I think better OL play and QB play will help Taylor not be in the same situation Brown was in last week. Sure he's not a #1 option, but if Taylor is your regular flex, #2 or whatever, I would not try to be too cute with the WDIS.
He will have a decent year. But, I don't think he will match his production from last season.Because I drafted him?Or maybe because I am hoping that I am making my observations based on all the data availible, not tired witty nicknames that may not accurately describe the situation today. I know you are joking but I have a feeling about Fred this year. He wont be a top 10 back, but he will outperform his ADP.He's spent a lot of time on the bench earning that nickname. Why do you want to take it away from him?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Jacksonville in general, and Fred in particular, get AMPED to play the Steelers. I would expect 80 yards rushing and a TD at a minimum.
shadow2k
Footballguy
To be fair...anyone see FTaylor not at least averaging more than the paltry 2.0ypc that Brown had? I'm not starting Taylor. But...RBrown sucked last week, big time. Yes, he scored two TD's...but if the rest of the team had played like RBrown, they'd have been shut out.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
What RB does well against the Steelers DT????To be fair...anyone see FTaylor not at least averaging more than the paltry 2.0ypc that Brown had? I'm not starting Taylor. But...RBrown sucked last week, big time. Yes, he scored two TD's...but if the rest of the team had played like RBrown, they'd have been shut out.
shadow2k
Footballguy
None, really. But most do better than 15/30 even against the best D's.What RB does well against the Steelers DT????To be fair...anyone see FTaylor not at least averaging more than the paltry 2.0ypc that Brown had? I'm not starting Taylor. But...RBrown sucked last week, big time. Yes, he scored two TD's...but if the rest of the team had played like RBrown, they'd have been shut out.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
Hate to tell ya..but R.Brown was rated 8th best RB in scoring week1 (basic and bonus leagues)..and thats against the Steelers..You see in FF land its points for the week who cares how the guy got them!None, really. But most do better than 15/30 even against the best D's.What RB does well against the Steelers DT????To be fair...anyone see FTaylor not at least averaging more than the paltry 2.0ypc that Brown had? I'm not starting Taylor. But...RBrown sucked last week, big time. Yes, he scored two TD's...but if the rest of the team had played like RBrown, they'd have been shut out.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
That sounds like my boat, but I've got M.Bell to think about. I'm benching Bell 'cause of the broken finger and Skeletor's intolerance for fumbles.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
For what its worth, Taylor has averaged about 75 yds/gm vs. the Steelers and got quite a few looks in the passing game last week.
shadow2k
Footballguy
I realize he scored a couple TD's. Doesn't mean he didn't play like crap. Watching that game reminded me of owning Stephen Davis last year.Hate to tell ya..but R.Brown was rated 8th best RB in scoring week1 (basic and bonus leagues)..and thats against the Steelers..You see in FF land its points for the week who cares how the guy got them!None, really. But most do better than 15/30 even against the best D's.What RB does well against the Steelers DT????To be fair...anyone see FTaylor not at least averaging more than the paltry 2.0ypc that Brown had? I'm not starting Taylor. But...RBrown sucked last week, big time. Yes, he scored two TD's...but if the rest of the team had played like RBrown, they'd have been shut out.
If you ignore the fact that he played against one of the best run Defenses in the league, on the road. And you ignore his recieving yardage you have a point. If you actually watched the game you would know that if he had any room to run at all he did so with authority and very rarely went down to only one defender, it took 2 almost all the time. The holes were not there in the middle, not much ANY RB can do about that. When he had any room at all he looked pretty damn good.I realize he scored a couple TD's. Doesn't mean he didn't play like crap. Watching that game reminded me of owning Stephen Davis last year.Hate to tell ya..but R.Brown was rated 8th best RB in scoring week1 (basic and bonus leagues)..and thats against the Steelers..You see in FF land its points for the week who cares how the guy got them!None, really. But most do better than 15/30 even against the best D's.What RB does well against the Steelers DT????To be fair...anyone see FTaylor not at least averaging more than the paltry 2.0ypc that Brown had? I'm not starting Taylor. But...RBrown sucked last week, big time. Yes, he scored two TD's...but if the rest of the team had played like RBrown, they'd have been shut out.
Sometimes the stat line does not tell the whole story. You can't ignore his 2TD's but harp on 2.0 YPC. Either accept them both or throw them both out.
You are correct, he wont get 2 TD's every game. But he will get 2 TD's more often than he will get only 2YPC.
I can't believe you honestly rank Taylor above Brown, but I guess that why they play the game. We will see how you rank them after they have a common opponent, and that opponent is Pit.
shadow2k
Footballguy
Well I never said I ranked Taylor above Brown. I drafted Taylor at 5.01 of a 12 teamer PPR. I had no shot at drafting Brown, but I wouldn't have felt confident drafting him in the first round at ANY position. Not to say I wouldn't have had him ranked in the top 12, I just wasn't confident in him. I'd rather have a proven guy like Rudi Johnson in the first round, who I know many people ranked below him.My point about Brown's 2.0ypc is that it was horrible, and I'd even go so far as to say that I doubt any other starting RB this year who gets at least 15 carries will be held that low vs PIT, home or away. You're welcome to bookmark this thread and throw that back in my face if and when it happens.If you ignore the fact that he played against one of the best run Defenses in the league, on the road. And you ignore his recieving yardage you have a point. If you actually watched the game you would know that if he had any room to run at all he did so with authority and very rarely went down to only one defender, it took 2 almost all the time. The holes were not there in the middle, not much ANY RB can do about that. When he had any room at all he looked pretty damn good.I realize he scored a couple TD's. Doesn't mean he didn't play like crap. Watching that game reminded me of owning Stephen Davis last year.Hate to tell ya..but R.Brown was rated 8th best RB in scoring week1 (basic and bonus leagues)..and thats against the Steelers..You see in FF land its points for the week who cares how the guy got them!None, really. But most do better than 15/30 even against the best D's.What RB does well against the Steelers DT????To be fair...anyone see FTaylor not at least averaging more than the paltry 2.0ypc that Brown had? I'm not starting Taylor. But...RBrown sucked last week, big time. Yes, he scored two TD's...but if the rest of the team had played like RBrown, they'd have been shut out.
Sometimes the stat line does not tell the whole story. You can't ignore his 2TD's but harp on 2.0 YPC. Either accept them both or throw them both out.
You are correct, he wont get 2 TD's every game. But he will get 2 TD's more often than he will get only 2YPC.
I can't believe you honestly rank Taylor above Brown, but I guess that why they play the game. We will see how you rank them after they have a common opponent, and that opponent is Pit.
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I think he will do ok...nothing great but I do think he will get a score. He better...my other options are Lamont vs. Baltimore and Kevin Jones vs. Chicago - NOT GOOD!!
oh I will, I willWell I never said I ranked Taylor above Brown. I drafted Taylor at 5.01 of a 12 teamer PPR. I had no shot at drafting Brown, but I wouldn't have felt confident drafting him in the first round at ANY position. Not to say I wouldn't have had him ranked in the top 12, I just wasn't confident in him. I'd rather have a proven guy like Rudi Johnson in the first round, who I know many people ranked below him.
My point about Brown's 2.0ypc is that it was horrible, and I'd even go so far as to say that I doubt any other starting RB this year who gets at least 15 carries will be held that low vs PIT, home or away. You're welcome to bookmark this thread and throw that back in my face if and when it happens.
I bet if I looked I could find one game where SA, LT and LG put up 2.0 ypc. I think you are putting too much stock in one night.I also think that thursday showed that the run game was the first priority for the fins, and that bodes well for Brown. Jax will abandon the run sooner than Saben will.
I have 10x more respect for you because you used the right "you're".
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CrossEyed
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Fred always seems to play pretty well against the Steelers. I wouldn't sit him just because of the matchup.
i agree with thisIf you actually watched the game you would know that if he had any room to run at all he did so with authority and very rarely went down to only one defender, it took 2 almost all the time. The holes were not there in the middle, not much ANY RB can do about that. When he had any room at all he looked pretty damn good.I realize he scored a couple TD's. Doesn't mean he didn't play like crap. Watching that game reminded me of owning Stephen Davis last year.Hate to tell ya..but R.Brown was rated 8th best RB in scoring week1 (basic and bonus leagues)..and thats against the Steelers..You see in FF land its points for the week who cares how the guy got them!None, really. But most do better than 15/30 even against the best D's.What RB does well against the Steelers DT????To be fair...anyone see FTaylor not at least averaging more than the paltry 2.0ypc that Brown had? I'm not starting Taylor. But...RBrown sucked last week, big time. Yes, he scored two TD's...but if the rest of the team had played like RBrown, they'd have been shut out.
Lombardi's Orphan Son
Footballguy
2004 Fred Taylor vs. Steelers in Jax
27 rushes / 76 yds
5 catches / 34 yards
(total team 34 rushing attempts)
very close game, came down to a long missed field goal by Jax
2005 Jax rushing vs. Steelers in Pitt (no Fred Taylor)
18 rushes / 77 yards / 1 td (greg jones)
(total teams 32 rushing attempts)
i think the Steelers D is very similar 2006/2005/2004
i think you can expect very similar numbers. i liked the fact they left Fred in to score the rushing td last week against the cowboys, and IMO if they continue to use Fred in most situations they will see he is their best option.
-orphan
27 rushes / 76 yds
5 catches / 34 yards
(total team 34 rushing attempts)
very close game, came down to a long missed field goal by Jax
2005 Jax rushing vs. Steelers in Pitt (no Fred Taylor)
18 rushes / 77 yards / 1 td (greg jones)
(total teams 32 rushing attempts)
i think the Steelers D is very similar 2006/2005/2004
i think you can expect very similar numbers. i liked the fact they left Fred in to score the rushing td last week against the cowboys, and IMO if they continue to use Fred in most situations they will see he is their best option.
-orphan
I am playing him with great confidence. Definitely a player many took a pass on who will win championships!
thatguy
Footballguy
LT, last season week 7 VS Philly: 17 rushes, 7 yards.oh I will, I willWell I never said I ranked Taylor above Brown. I drafted Taylor at 5.01 of a 12 teamer PPR. I had no shot at drafting Brown, but I wouldn't have felt confident drafting him in the first round at ANY position. Not to say I wouldn't have had him ranked in the top 12, I just wasn't confident in him. I'd rather have a proven guy like Rudi Johnson in the first round, who I know many people ranked below him.
My point about Brown's 2.0ypc is that it was horrible, and I'd even go so far as to say that I doubt any other starting RB this year who gets at least 15 carries will be held that low vs PIT, home or away. You're welcome to bookmark this thread and throw that back in my face if and when it happens.
I also think that thursday showed that the run game was the first priority for the fins, and that bodes well for Brown. Jax will abandon the run sooner than Saben will.
I have 10x more respect for you because you used the right "you're".
Dont get me wrong, I am high on Fred this year. Just not willing to accept that Fred is going to produce more than Brown.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
-Pitt has a very good D, but it's not like dallas is swiss cheese. And Fred put up over 100 combined yards and had a TD versus dallas.
-With Greg Jones out, Leftwich appears to be Fred's only comp currently for goalline work. They tried Toefield on a 3rd and short and he lost yardage. Toefield also missed a blitz pick up on the only sack dallas got, so I expect he missed his chance for now.
-Fred was targetted 6 times and had 6 catches versus dallas. Surprising as that is, you can't ignore a pretty healthy pass catching day by the old man.
I'd predict Fred has a second week over around 100 combined yards and a TD. But if the Jags get a lead early, he could add a good deal to those numbers. Fred looked very sharp in the dallas game and still appears to be a homerun threat. Add in some receptions and goalline work and he could be a solid RB2 by the end of the season. And not a bad start this week.
-With Greg Jones out, Leftwich appears to be Fred's only comp currently for goalline work. They tried Toefield on a 3rd and short and he lost yardage. Toefield also missed a blitz pick up on the only sack dallas got, so I expect he missed his chance for now.
-Fred was targetted 6 times and had 6 catches versus dallas. Surprising as that is, you can't ignore a pretty healthy pass catching day by the old man.
I'd predict Fred has a second week over around 100 combined yards and a TD. But if the Jags get a lead early, he could add a good deal to those numbers. Fred looked very sharp in the dallas game and still appears to be a homerun threat. Add in some receptions and goalline work and he could be a solid RB2 by the end of the season. And not a bad start this week.
montanagold
Footballguy
I've been spending alot of time thinking about this match up. And why people can't think outside of the box with Fred. Its the beginning of the season and he is healthy! His team is playing one of their most important games of the season. He ran through Dallas last week and historically he has done decent-well against Steelers.
This isn't a WDIS... but, let me give you my thinking. In case you have similar thoughts.
My RBs:
McGahee - He doesn't do a whole lot to seperate himself right now. I'm guessing atleast 75 yards. With upside to 100 yards and TD. Especially if Miami continues to look like that. Has breakout potential in this game. I'm starting.
Droughns - what can I say? I think he has the talent.. I don't know if this team puts it together this week. This is a good week for Cinci to get the lead and test out Palmer some more. When Cleveland gets behind he becomes less of a factor.
T. Bell & M. Bell - T.Bell could go gangbusters... my bets on him this week. Mike still in picture. You have to like the matchup and the fact that their QB is out. Not sure what to think.. and I need to think more on this one.. the potential to breakout is there.
F. Taylor - Jacksonville just beat a tough Dallas team. They are coming out with their sharpest weapons to take Pitt. down. Taylor avgs about 75 yards a game against Pitt... and this Jacksonville team looks good defensively and offensively. I think Taylor has a good shot at his 75 yards and a TD. I'm thinking of Taylor right now as stud that isn't damaged yet. I'll probably start him... with considerations to T.Bell.
MG
This isn't a WDIS... but, let me give you my thinking. In case you have similar thoughts.
My RBs:
McGahee - He doesn't do a whole lot to seperate himself right now. I'm guessing atleast 75 yards. With upside to 100 yards and TD. Especially if Miami continues to look like that. Has breakout potential in this game. I'm starting.
Droughns - what can I say? I think he has the talent.. I don't know if this team puts it together this week. This is a good week for Cinci to get the lead and test out Palmer some more. When Cleveland gets behind he becomes less of a factor.
T. Bell & M. Bell - T.Bell could go gangbusters... my bets on him this week. Mike still in picture. You have to like the matchup and the fact that their QB is out. Not sure what to think.. and I need to think more on this one.. the potential to breakout is there.
F. Taylor - Jacksonville just beat a tough Dallas team. They are coming out with their sharpest weapons to take Pitt. down. Taylor avgs about 75 yards a game against Pitt... and this Jacksonville team looks good defensively and offensively. I think Taylor has a good shot at his 75 yards and a TD. I'm thinking of Taylor right now as stud that isn't damaged yet. I'll probably start him... with considerations to T.Bell.
MG
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think a good way to lose against the Steelers is to abandon the run early and I don't see the Jaguars doing that. They'll run early and they'll stick with it, which means a lot of touches for Freddy.
I doubt he'll run for 100 yards against the Steelers but I could see 70 rushing and another 25 receiving and a TD.
I doubt he'll run for 100 yards against the Steelers but I could see 70 rushing and another 25 receiving and a TD.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Play Fred, you'll be sorry if you start Turner IMO...
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jimmy b
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Oh come on, you gotta have some balls sometimes
Edited to say that I expect Taylor to get about 40 yds rushing, maybe catch a couple passes for not much, and ZERO TDs. I can see Turner getting plenty of playing time on Sunday, which should eclipse Taylor's stats. Now I know I'm taking a risk, and I'm not afraid of failure.
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montanagold
Footballguy
Haha... well Turner is also on my team. I've had that thought on him... and you do introduce an interesting strategy. I'm just not familiar enough with SD tendencies to not feel like thats a gamble.MG
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Somehow I don't think Fred Taylor will do better than 138 yds rushing and 17 rec, but I could be wrong
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
22 for 92, 3 for 29, 0 TD.
Pretty nice line against a tough D.
166 yds rushing with 1 TD, 9 catches for 70 yards on the season.
Is Fred an every week RB2? 2 good weeks against tough D's, both at home though. Or is he still just a matchup play/RB3?
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Pretty nice line against a tough D.
166 yds rushing with 1 TD, 9 catches for 70 yards on the season.
Is Fred an every week RB2? 2 good weeks against tough D's, both at home though. Or is he still just a matchup play/RB3?
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gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Looks like he's playing well enough to be a solid #2 at this point. The best thing is he's involved in the passing game, which makes him a duel threat. A nice surprise.
I beg to differ.In terms of where he was drafted and who he put them up against - those numbers to me are great.
delusional
Footballguy
i am moving him to my #2 over edge....
Markus P Dub
Footballguy
Does it hurt him if Winbush is out? Not sure if Fred runs with a FB leading the way. Obviously it helps because they’re running out of reliable GL options, so who knows FT might get some good looks at the stripe. And if he runs like he has been he can get those tough yards for a score.
