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From Fat to Fit 2025 - I Really Mean It This Time! (1 Viewer)

I'm reading your article Term and am stuck on the carb calcs. I'm 92 kilos, and walk about an hour a night. Maybe just under. So, per the chart, that's 5g/kg of carbs needed to keep glycogen stores at normal levels (it says 5-7, so I'm taking the low end). But 92*5 is 460g of carbs. Which would require 1840 carb calories a day. i.e. 92% of my total diet. Even 4g/kg would require 75% of daily calories to be carbs.

So what I think may be happening is that the combination of ~moderate exercise with the daily carb deficit depletes glycogen levels in long-term dieters. Maybe I (and other excercise + calorie deficit folks) really are in a deficit and our bodies hyperdrive glycogen when we inadvertently carb load? Is that plausible?
Sounds reasonable.

The sweet spot for carbohydrates (pun intended), mortality wise, is somewhere between 45-55% caloric intake (derived from the ARIC and PURE studies). For a 2K kcal diet, that's like more like 250g daily. So 460 seems like a lot, even if you are exercising regularly.

This is one reason I'm really interested to see the longterm fallout from current fad diets.
Maybe I missed it but as someone who is a proponent of the Mediterranean diet, shouldn't carbs from whole grains/fruit be distinguished from refined flour carbs?
The pun was not implying one should guzzle 250g of sugar, as processed foods + added sugar are not included in any healthy diet.

When I say carbohydrates, I mean fruits, veggies, legumes, and whole grains. Obviously, those contain other macronutrients as well, but the evidence suggests “good” carbohydrates should comprise most caloric intake.

A lot of junk nutrition advice is predicated on conflating carbohydrates with ultraprocessed foods, and simultaneously promoting unrestricted protein/fat. While only time will tell, I suspect we’ll see adverse health consequences from this trend, just as we saw bad stuff happen from low fat dogma decades ago.
 
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As I age (almost 51) I have noticed I am getting lazier and lazier. I am fine being lazy, but it has gotten a little out of hand recently. I haven't gained weight (although I should lose 10 pounds) and I still work out regularly (climb, run, tennis, bike, etc) but I have noticed that when I am not doing those things, I kinda just sit around. Rightfully so, it has annoyed my wife.

I am not a list maker. Barely have a list at work, kinda just rely on memory and emails and texts. But last week I decided I should try and accomplish a certain number of things a week. So I made a list up of things I am trying to do everyday. Goal is all of them, but I think if I get 7 or more of the 10, I am good. Here is what I came up with

1. Intermittent fast - 8 PM - 10 AM. Kinda cheating, cause I kinda always do this, but trying to avoid the getting high/drunk late night snacks
2. 6 minute stretch first thing in the morning
3. Exercise. Climb 2 times a week. Run 2 times a week. Lift 1 day. Yoga 1 day. Ride my bike 1 day.
4. Work on a house project. Have a hundred things - I used to take whole weekends to work on them, instead I am going to tackle a little bit each day
5. Declutter my life. Workshop is a mess with a million tools. Email inbox is a mess. Spend a little time each day tidying my life
6. In bed before 10 PM
7. Gallon of water a day
8. Hangboard for 5 minutes. I love climbing, but my finger strength is not where it should be.
9. Read for 30 minutes
10. Connect with wife (watch a show, make love, massage each other, go for a walk, dream big plans, etc)

It's only been a week and a half, but I have routinely gotten 9 of these things done a day. The in bed before 10 and the no food after 8 have been the ones I have missed most.

I am sure this list thing will only last a month or two, but I am hoping it changes bad habits.
Good idea. I see a couple 75 Hard enemies in there. I’m also planning on adding stretching, hangboard and house chores to my list.
 
Service dude we had come to the house asked me if I was a climber. On account of my calves and quads. Said I had a 'good frame'. Not necessarily who I expected to hear it from (NTTAWWI), but I took that as a win and ran straight to the bank with it.

Rocked in at 200.7 this morning. Fluky low weigh in, but sometime in the next couple weeks my #'s to start with a "1" for the first time in ~25 years.
Not sure what your frame admirer had in mind, but calves and quads aren’t high on the list of “climbing muscles”.
 
Normally when I'm on vacation I'll add a few pounds but not one in Boston, NH and especially NYC where I actually lost weight. The past week in NYC I've been averaging 26k steps daily. Makes me not feel bad about indulging in all that pizza and gelato. Gotta feed the machine 💪
Wow.. How do you find time to walk that much.. Good for you..

It can happen very easily in NYC when you're out and about (i.e. no car). Granted I was on vacation and not stuck in an office.
 
Service dude we had come to the house asked me if I was a climber. On account of my calves and quads. Said I had a 'good frame'. Not necessarily who I expected to hear it from (NTTAWWI), but I took that as a win and ran straight to the bank with it.

Rocked in at 200.7 this morning. Fluky low weigh in, but sometime in the next couple weeks my #'s to start with a "1" for the first time in ~25 years.
Not sure what your frame admirer had in mind, but calves and quads aren’t high on the list of “climbing muscles”.
Think he just wanted to smash
 
I tried the cheap straight magnesium from Costco a while back. Way to much elaxative for me. I stopped that supplement quickly.

Gonna try magnesium glycinate 500mg. Absorbs better. Helps with sleep. The primary reason I'm gonna try is the muscle recovery benefits.
 
As I age (almost 51) I have noticed I am getting lazier and lazier. I am fine being lazy, but it has gotten a little out of hand recently. I haven't gained weight (although I should lose 10 pounds) and I still work out regularly (climb, run, tennis, bike, etc) but I have noticed that when I am not doing those things, I kinda just sit around. Rightfully so, it has annoyed my wife.

I am not a list maker. Barely have a list at work, kinda just rely on memory and emails and texts. But last week I decided I should try and accomplish a certain number of things a week. So I made a list up of things I am trying to do everyday. Goal is all of them, but I think if I get 7 or more of the 10, I am good. Here is what I came up with

1. Intermittent fast - 8 PM - 10 AM. Kinda cheating, cause I kinda always do this, but trying to avoid the getting high/drunk late night snacks
2. 6 minute stretch first thing in the morning
3. Exercise. Climb 2 times a week. Run 2 times a week. Lift 1 day. Yoga 1 day. Ride my bike 1 day.
4. Work on a house project. Have a hundred things - I used to take whole weekends to work on them, instead I am going to tackle a little bit each day
5. Declutter my life. Workshop is a mess with a million tools. Email inbox is a mess. Spend a little time each day tidying my life
6. In bed before 10 PM
7. Gallon of water a day
8. Hangboard for 5 minutes. I love climbing, but my finger strength is not where it should be.
9. Read for 30 minutes
10. Connect with wife (watch a show, make love, massage each other, go for a walk, dream big plans, etc)

It's only been a week and a half, but I have routinely gotten 9 of these things done a day. The in bed before 10 and the no food after 8 have been the ones I have missed most.

I am sure this list thing will only last a month or two, but I am hoping it changes bad habits.

Christ, we’re a whole lot more alike than we are different.

I’m currently doing a very similar thing. Not smoking at night and in bed before 10 is the hardest.

Sobriety is so boring after awhile.
 
Other than a multivitamin and aomw
Fish oil I haven’t taken supplements in years but I’ve been exceeding routinely for awhile. I’ll look into the creatine thing a little more. Unused to take it 20 years ago in a red liquid vial that I would have to apply under my tongue.
 
Other than a multivitamin and aomw
Fish oil I haven’t taken supplements in years but I’ve been exceeding routinely for awhile. I’ll look into the creatine thing a little more. Unused to take it 20 years ago in a red liquid vial that I would have to apply under my tongue.
Creatine monohydrate is a game changer for me. If you take anything I believe that's the one.
 
Other than a multivitamin and aomw
Fish oil I haven’t taken supplements in years but I’ve been exceeding routinely for awhile. I’ll look into the creatine thing a little more. Unused to take it 20 years ago in a red liquid vial that I would have to apply under my tongue.
Creatine monohydrate is a game changer for me. If you take anything I believe that's the one.
I know this is a weight loss thread, but there are 4 supplements which have convincing data as ergogenic (performance enhancing) aids:

1. Caffeine
2. Creatine
3. Sodium bicarbonate
4. Beta-alanine
 
Sodium bicarbonate
:goodposting:

Muscle endurance hack

Eta. From an AI search:
"Athletes take sodium bicarbonate, also known as baking soda, to improve their performance in high-intensity exercise. It acts as a buffer against the buildup of hydrogen ions, which can lead to muscle fatigue and acidosis during intense physical activity. By buffering these ions, sodium bicarbonate helps maintain a more favorable intracellular pH level, allowing athletes to train harder and longer, and potentially perform better in short, high-intensity activities."
 
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Other than a multivitamin and aomw
Fish oil I haven’t taken supplements in years but I’ve been exceeding routinely for awhile. I’ll look into the creatine thing a little more. Unused to take it 20 years ago in a red liquid vial that I would have to apply under my tongue.
Creatine monohydrate is a game changer for me. If you take anything I believe that's the one.
Did you stick with a higher dose (10g)? I was curious if you noticed a difference.
 
Other than a multivitamin and aomw
Fish oil I haven’t taken supplements in years but I’ve been exceeding routinely for awhile. I’ll look into the creatine thing a little more. Unused to take it 20 years ago in a red liquid vial that I would have to apply under my tongue.
Creatine monohydrate is a game changer for me. If you take anything I believe that's the one.
Did you stick with a higher dose (10g)? I was curious if you noticed a difference.
I actually did stay on 10 and will continue. I did notice a little extra push so I'm staying on it.
 
No weight drop but up every morning with my routine. Today was 2.4 miles in 36 minutes

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Yep, it really comes down to calories in to calories out. If one outweighs the other you'll either lose or gain weight. It's still really early in your journey so don't go crazy making judgements with the scale. However, your body seems to be telling you If you want to keep your current diet that you'll need to increase the workouts. However, keep the workouts and shave off a few hundred calories daily and watch the magic happen.
 
Other than a multivitamin and aomw
Fish oil I haven’t taken supplements in years but I’ve been exceeding routinely for awhile. I’ll look into the creatine thing a little more. Unused to take it 20 years ago in a red liquid vial that I would have to apply under my tongue.
Creatine monohydrate is a game changer for me. If you take anything I believe that's the one.
Did you stick with a higher dose (10g)? I was curious if you noticed a difference.
I actually did stay on 10 and will continue. I did notice a little extra push so I'm staying on it.

I also found 10gs worked best although I've seen more people upping their doses to 15-20g as well. This 5g universal dose recommendation seems like a carryover from the 90s and not something I'd treat as gospel. I seriously doubt a 200 lb man would have the same needs as a 120lb female.
 
Other than a multivitamin and aomw
Fish oil I haven’t taken supplements in years but I’ve been exceeding routinely for awhile. I’ll look into the creatine thing a little more. Unused to take it 20 years ago in a red liquid vial that I would have to apply under my tongue.
Creatine monohydrate is a game changer for me. If you take anything I believe that's the one.
Did you stick with a higher dose (10g)? I was curious if you noticed a difference.
I actually did stay on 10 and will continue. I did notice a little extra push so I'm staying on it.

I also found 10gs worked best although I've seen more people upping their doses to 15-20g as well. This 5g universal dose recommendation seems like a carryover from the 90s and not something I'd treat as gospel. I seriously doubt a 200 lb man would have the same needs as a 120lb female.
I've played around with as high as 20g and didn't notice the same difference as from 5g to 10g so I've stayed there. Sample size of one, but that was my experience. If i get bad sleep, or not enough sleep i will bump up to 20g based on what I've seen though as that might drive a higher need for brain atp. Agree that 5g isn't enough to affect brain levels and a hold over from possibly less research than we have now.

Eta I'm going to trial creatine with GAA (guanidinoacetic acid) added and see if it makes a difference.

 
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No weight drop but up every morning with my routine. Today was 2.4 miles in 36 minutes

Diet diet diet

Some of that is fat turning to muscle which weighs more. May not look like you’re losing weight on the scale, but you are.

Keep it up GB.

Maybe a little but I don't think he's doing strength training, just cardio which should lead to weight loss.

I said some. IIRC, Bell is still working up to running the whole time. Once he gets his sea legs back the lbs will fall off quicker.

We’re also not spring chickens. Shouldn’t push to extremes like he/we did when we were in our 20s and 30s. It’ll happen for him, just a tad slower.
 
Yeah I was lazy pos with injuries for the last 5 years....I'm sure some of my muscle in back and legs are reforming but no weights right now. Once I get back to a place I'm happy cardio/run wise I'll add some more stuff
 
Other than a multivitamin and aomw
Fish oil I haven’t taken supplements in years but I’ve been exceeding routinely for awhile. I’ll look into the creatine thing a little more. Unused to take it 20 years ago in a red liquid vial that I would have to apply under my tongue.
Creatine monohydrate is a game changer for me. If you take anything I believe that's the one.
Did you stick with a higher dose (10g)? I was curious if you noticed a difference.
I actually did stay on 10 and will continue. I did notice a little extra push so I'm staying on it.

I also found 10gs worked best although I've seen more people upping their doses to 15-20g as well. This 5g universal dose recommendation seems like a carryover from the 90s and not something I'd treat as gospel. I seriously doubt a 200 lb man would have the same needs as a 120lb female.
There are studies on weight based creatine dosing for muscle growth, whose results are inconsistent. They sometime include both “loading” and “maintenance” dosing. Moreover, needs seem to differ based on age, gender, and training status, among other variables.

It’s further clouded by (poorly supported) claims that creatine supplements positively impact brain and bone health.
Since the late 1990s, there has been substantial research investigating the beneficial effects of creatine supplementation on measures of muscle accretion and performance, bone structure, and brain function across a variety of populations. However, the optimal dose of creatine needed to achieve these benefits is unclear. Further, whether a ‘tissue-creatine dose relationship’ exists is unknown. In general, a creatine-loading phase (20 g/day for ≤ 7 days), with and without a creatine maintenance phase (i.e., 3–5 g/day) appears sufficient to produce skeletal muscle benefits. Alternatively, a relative dosing strategy of 0.10–0.14 g of creatine/kg/day appears to be a viable option, especially for healthy older adults. Beyond skeletal muscle, a small body of research shows that creatine supplementation can have favourable effects on measures of bone biology and structure in both disease state populations and healthy older adults. The relative dosing strategy of 0.10–0.14 g of creatine/kg/day and exercise training produces the most consistent bone benefits. From a brain perspective, both absolute and relative creatine dosing strategies are effective for increasing brain creatine levels but the optimal dosage and/or duration of ingestion to enhance brain function is unclear. Overall, there is evidence that ≥ 20 g/day or 0.3 g/kg/day for ≤ 7 days or ≥ 4 g/day for several months is likely required to increase total brain creatine concentrations. Confounding variables such as baseline (pre-supplementation) tissue creatine levels, muscle fiber morphology, bone remodelling/repair processes, brain bioenergetics, habitual dietary intake of creatine, biological sex, age, and physical activity likely dictate the dose of creatine required to produce a meaningful tissue response
So the optimal dose is unclear. The good news is, it’s pretty hard to overdose.
 
No weight drop but up every morning with my routine. Today was 2.4 miles in 36 minutes

Diet diet diet

I know you are like me and are a desk jockey. Do you have a standing desk and can you take 5 minute breaks and walk? It really adds up for being in a deficit.
 
Yeah I was lazy pos with injuries for the last 5 years....I'm sure some of my muscle in back and legs are reforming but no weights right now. Once I get back to a place I'm happy cardio/run wise I'll add some more stuff
Your doing awesome. Once u get to the time when your wanting to add weights I recommend resistance bands. I spent 30 bucks and literally have everything I need.
 
Yeah I was lazy pos with injuries for the last 5 years....I'm sure some of my muscle in back and legs are reforming but no weights right now. Once I get back to a place I'm happy cardio/run wise I'll add some more stuff
Your doing awesome. Once u get to the time when your wanting to add weights I recommend resistance bands. I spent 30 bucks and literally have everything I need.
Thank you sir but I was a gym rat/athlete through school and into my 30s

I have every band & weight you could imagine 😂

I know what to do just haven't done it for so long. Outside running always hated it.

I could play ice hockey for hours but ask me to go run a mile I'd hate it lol but that was a long time and 50 pounds ago
 
Yeah I was lazy pos with injuries for the last 5 years....I'm sure some of my muscle in back and legs are reforming but no weights right now. Once I get back to a place I'm happy cardio/run wise I'll add some more stuff
Your doing awesome. Once u get to the time when your wanting to add weights I recommend resistance bands. I spent 30 bucks and literally have everything I need.
Thank you sir but I was a gym rat/athlete through school and into my 30s

I have every band & weight you could imagine 😂

I know what to do just haven't done it for so long. Outside running always hated it.

I could play ice hockey for hours but ask me to go run a mile I'd hate it lol but that was a long time and 50 pounds ago
I was the same way (also a hockey player, defenseman that hated shift changes and could play a ton of minutes, but also wasn't much of a runner). My wife started running marathons and i would go watch. I'm super competitive and would get pretty fired up at the starts, the music, the people, seeing all the pre race jitters. The gun would go off and I'd be left standing there wishing i was a part of it. I was a little overweight and knew i needed to do something, so i signed up for a 5k and the competitive juices kicked in again and it gave me some extra motivation to train. I fell in love with race days and it was all the motivation i needed and gave me that competitive boost to get up in the morning and train. Better health worked it's way out from there.

So for me i needed a little something extra to get started and that was a 5k. By the time i hung up my running shoes and went to mountain biking I'd run a few marathons, half marathons, and i don't know how many 10ks. If motivation to get up every morning gets tough signing up for a race worked for me and now getting up and working out is routine and my whole day is off if I miss it.

Ps. Where did you play hockey?
 
Yeah I was lazy pos with injuries for the last 5 years....I'm sure some of my muscle in back and legs are reforming but no weights right now. Once I get back to a place I'm happy cardio/run wise I'll add some more stuff
Your doing awesome. Once u get to the time when your wanting to add weights I recommend resistance bands. I spent 30 bucks and literally have everything I need.
Thank you sir but I was a gym rat/athlete through school and into my 30s

I have every band & weight you could imagine 😂

I know what to do just haven't done it for so long. Outside running always hated it.

I could play ice hockey for hours but ask me to go run a mile I'd hate it lol but that was a long time and 50 pounds ago
I was the same way (also a hockey player, defenseman that hated shift changes and could play a ton of minutes, but also wasn't much of a runner). My wife started running marathons and i would go watch. I'm super competitive and would get pretty fired up at the starts, the music, the people, seeing all the pre race jitters. The gun would go off and I'd be left standing there wishing i was a part of it. I was a little overweight and knew i needed to do something, so i signed up for a 5k and the competitive juices kicked in again and it gave me some extra motivation to train. I fell in love with race days and it was all the motivation i needed and gave me that competitive boost to get up in the morning and train. Better health worked it's way out from there.

So for me i needed a little something extra to get started and that was a 5k. By the time i hung up my running shoes and went to mountain biking I'd run a few marathons, half marathons, and i don't know how many 10ks. If motivation to get up every morning gets tough signing up for a race worked for me and now getting up and working out is routine and my whole day is off if I miss it.

Ps. Where did you play hockey?
I did not play hockey "competitively" so to speak. Growing up friends of mine had an outdoor rink. I played in men's leagues from 19-32, but baseball was the sport I played the longest and most competitive. Followed by basketball and soccer
 
Better this week.

170.7 lbs at 15.0% bodyfat.

I have crossed over to the obsessive side and I'm tracking my diet with MacroFactor, and the plan is to adhere to its baked-in coached tracking feature. In theory, if I stick to the plan, I should slide into my goal right before the new year. And I have a new goal - 155 pounds. Not sure I want to maintain at that weight, but I'll find out. My overarching goal is to cut down to an ideal fat mass, and then simply spend the rest of my life gradually adding lean mass (until I can't).

Also, trying to apply more rigor in the gym. I've been winging it for 8 months now, and while the improvement has been significant, there's been no real effort to track and progress - adding either reps or weight, weekly. After wasting some time looking at various apps, I realized that this is a tailor-made task for a spreadsheet. So my spreadsheet is built, and I'm beginning with "Find my 12," which is to identify the highest weight (which will be a embarrassingly low weight) I can move for 4 sets of 12 reps. Once I hit that, I'll increase weight and reduce reps - and then progress on new weight until 4 sets of 12 reps is acheived once again. Rinse/repeat.
 
Better this week.

170.7 lbs at 15.0% bodyfat.

I have crossed over to the obsessive side and I'm tracking my diet with MacroFactor, and the plan is to adhere to its baked-in coached tracking feature. In theory, if I stick to the plan, I should slide into my goal right before the new year. And I have a new goal - 155 pounds. Not sure I want to maintain at that weight, but I'll find out. My overarching goal is to cut down to an ideal fat mass, and then simply spend the rest of my life gradually adding lean mass (until I can't).

Also, trying to apply more rigor in the gym. I've been winging it for 8 months now, and while the improvement has been significant, there's been no real effort to track and progress - adding either reps or weight, weekly. After wasting some time looking at various apps, I realized that this is a tailor-made task for a spreadsheet. So my spreadsheet is built, and I'm beginning with "Find my 12," which is to identify the highest weight (which will be a embarrassingly low weight) I can move for 4 sets of 12 reps. Once I hit that, I'll increase weight and reduce reps - and then progress on new weight until 4 sets of 12 reps is acheived once again. Rinse/repeat.
Sounds good, with some caveats:

1. There may be an age when lifting to failure makes potential for injury exceed strength/muscle benefits. I’ve not seen anything specific on this topic though, so I’m open to someone changing my mind.

2. You’re probably sacrificing some aerobic training by focusing so much on weights. I’ve mentioned this before, but studies show mortality benefit from resistance training plateaus pretty quickly, around 40 minutes per week. Meanwhile, moderate intensity aerobic training continues to show benefit up to 600 minutes weekly, with no harm up to 2000 minutes.

3. There’s a threshold when body fat percentage is too low. For younger people, that’s generally 5-6%, but it seems to be higher with age, such that 8-10% may be the floor. How tall are you?
 
174 this morning, so no change from last week. I've been stuck at 175 and change for most of the summer so maybe I've broken through that plateau. Got a bike race Saturday, so there's gonna be some carb loading at the end of the week and then a big effort and I'd expect weight to be wonky and unreliable this week. Gonna skip a weigh in this weekend and get back to it in two weeks.

@Mister CIA how are you measuring body fat? I've always judged it by appearance, but would like a better metric. I think it's a better stat than just weight.
 
New milestone reached! I’m down to 191lbs and that dropped me from obese to just overweight on the bmi scale. I know to not put too much stock in that but it made me happy today.
Hell ya buddy. If I have the choice of two words to be labeled, obese or overweight, give me overweight. Ha ha. It's a nice milestone. Congrats
 
Better this week.

170.7 lbs at 15.0% bodyfat.

I have crossed over to the obsessive side and I'm tracking my diet with MacroFactor, and the plan is to adhere to its baked-in coached tracking feature. In theory, if I stick to the plan, I should slide into my goal right before the new year. And I have a new goal - 155 pounds. Not sure I want to maintain at that weight, but I'll find out. My overarching goal is to cut down to an ideal fat mass, and then simply spend the rest of my life gradually adding lean mass (until I can't).

Also, trying to apply more rigor in the gym. I've been winging it for 8 months now, and while the improvement has been significant, there's been no real effort to track and progress - adding either reps or weight, weekly. After wasting some time looking at various apps, I realized that this is a tailor-made task for a spreadsheet. So my spreadsheet is built, and I'm beginning with "Find my 12," which is to identify the highest weight (which will be a embarrassingly low weight) I can move for 4 sets of 12 reps. Once I hit that, I'll increase weight and reduce reps - and then progress on new weight until 4 sets of 12 reps is acheived once again. Rinse/repeat.
Sounds good, with some caveats:

1. There may be an age when lifting to failure makes potential for injury exceed strength/muscle benefits. I’ve not seen anything specific on this topic though, so I’m open to someone changing my mind.

2. You’re probably sacrificing some aerobic training by focusing so much on weights. I’ve mentioned this before, but studies show mortality benefit from resistance training plateaus pretty quickly, around 40 minutes per week. Meanwhile, moderate intensity aerobic training continues to show benefit up to 600 minutes weekly, with no harm up to 2000 minutes.

3. There’s a threshold when body fat percentage is too low. For younger people, that’s generally 5-6%, but it seems to be higher with age, such that 8-10% may be the floor. How tall are you?
Appreciate the feedback.

Regarding workouts to failure, my routine is a work in progress. What I'm really aiming for is a way to measure/track and progressively lift more, and while putting together a regimen I thought it good to break it down to small weights I could do 4x12 to failure, more or less, just to establish a base. Also, important, most of my lifts are on machines or dumbbells, so failure is in essence just a matter of releasing or letting go with little to no risk. In Office Space parlance, "I wouldn't say I'm failing, Bob." So maybe going forward, once I can hit three set of 12 reps and then "fail" somewhere south of 12 on the 4th set - then I'll be ready to increment to next weight and progress once more until I hit 12,12,12, n, again. My plans are pretty fluid at the moment.

CARDIO! - I hate cardio, BUT, I love walking. I've got circuits measured out that vary between 4 and 7 miles, and weather permitting I do at least three, sometimes four or five walks per week. I kind of want to work a 5K run into my routine too, and maybe get a bicycle, but that's about where my cardio effort will peak. I'm not doing treadmills, stepmills, indoor bikes, etc. anymore.

On bodyfat, I'm 6'0" tall. Optimistically, if I can hit 155 I might touch 9%, but really don't know. It's more a personal challenge at the moment, and realistically probably not where I'll land long term, but I do have the classic skinny guy genes (Hey Sydney Sweeney, how you doin?). Maybe 11-12% for the long haul is where things settle.
 
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174 this morning, so no change from last week. I've been stuck at 175 and change for most of the summer so maybe I've broken through that plateau. Got a bike race Saturday, so there's gonna be some carb loading at the end of the week and then a big effort and I'd expect weight to be wonky and unreliable this week. Gonna skip a weigh in this weekend and get back to it in two weeks.

@Mister CIA how are you measuring body fat? I've always judged it by appearance, but would like a better metric. I think it's a better stat than just weight.
I'm using the bodyfat readings off my watch, which I know can be pretty inaccurate, but combined with visual self-evaluation, I think I'm in the ballpark at +- 2%. Really my north star is my waist measurement, and I'm hoping to shed about three more inches before declaring Mission Accomplished.
 
174 this morning, so no change from last week. I've been stuck at 175 and change for most of the summer so maybe I've broken through that plateau. Got a bike race Saturday, so there's gonna be some carb loading at the end of the week and then a big effort and I'd expect weight to be wonky and unreliable this week. Gonna skip a weigh in this weekend and get back to it in two weeks.
Meant to ask if you were still doing a 24-hour fast weekly (and 36-hour monthly?). I've cut bait on fasting routines, as I got a little too good at it when I dropped from 183-ish down to about 167 over a span of several weeks. Was feeling far less than optimal around that time. Now that I'm maintaining at about 170 and dialing things in with the MacroFactor app, I'm hoping for a smooth decent towards my goals while hitting my 2000+ calories per day. Currently the algorithm updated my weekly target to 2347 calories, which I think is a little high, but something that should sort itself out after building up a few more weeks of tracking as I stick with the coach's plan.
 
174 this morning, so no change from last week. I've been stuck at 175 and change for most of the summer so maybe I've broken through that plateau. Got a bike race Saturday, so there's gonna be some carb loading at the end of the week and then a big effort and I'd expect weight to be wonky and unreliable this week. Gonna skip a weigh in this weekend and get back to it in two weeks.
Meant to ask if you were still doing a 24-hour fast weekly (and 36-hour monthly?). I've cut bait on fasting routines, as I got a little too good at it when I dropped from 183-ish down to about 167 over a span of several weeks. Was feeling far less than optimal around that time. Now that I'm maintaining at about 170 and dialing things in with the MacroFactor app, I'm hoping for a smooth decent towards my goals while hitting my 2000+ calories per day. Currently the algorithm updated my weekly target to 2347 calories, which I think is a little high, but something that should sort itself out after building up a few more weeks of tracking as I stick with the coach's plan.
Yeah, I've been sticking to it and think it's helped me break through my plateau. I'll skip it this week as I've got a bike race, but plan on a 36 hr the in the next couple week for my monthly extended fast.

I had the same experience in the past where it became a little to effective and don't make it a regular thing because of that. I've always been under the impression a 1-2lb weekly loss is healthy and sustainable, so as long as that's the case i feel ok continuing till i reach my goal, which I'm knocking on the door of. I'm also lifting weights at a maintenance level and if i start to feel like that's getting a little heavier than it should be I'll bail aswell. There's pros and cons to it no doubt.

I kind of dirty bulked during the winter, so that's the extra fat I'm trying to dump. Once I'm where I want to be I'll start getting more serious in the gym and try to get some of the weight i lost back, but hopefully more muscle than fat.
 
Regarding workouts to failure, my routine is a work in progress. What I'm really aiming for is a way to measure/track and progressively lift more,
I'm a big fan of "Wendler 5-3-1" in the gym. There's no failure, but it's a progressive routine that works as a kind of 2 steps forward 1 step back in weight. There's different variations based on goals, but it relies on the big 4 compound lifts at it's core. I just add whatever accessories i feel i need (pullups, chinups, tris, ect) for a little more isolation. There's apps that make it super easy to track and follow. Worth looking at if you're not familiar and trying to nail down a routine.
 
Better this week.

170.7 lbs at 15.0% bodyfat.

I have crossed over to the obsessive side and I'm tracking my diet with MacroFactor, and the plan is to adhere to its baked-in coached tracking feature. In theory, if I stick to the plan, I should slide into my goal right before the new year. And I have a new goal - 155 pounds. Not sure I want to maintain at that weight, but I'll find out. My overarching goal is to cut down to an ideal fat mass, and then simply spend the rest of my life gradually adding lean mass (until I can't).

Also, trying to apply more rigor in the gym. I've been winging it for 8 months now, and while the improvement has been significant, there's been no real effort to track and progress - adding either reps or weight, weekly. After wasting some time looking at various apps, I realized that this is a tailor-made task for a spreadsheet. So my spreadsheet is built, and I'm beginning with "Find my 12," which is to identify the highest weight (which will be a embarrassingly low weight) I can move for 4 sets of 12 reps. Once I hit that, I'll increase weight and reduce reps - and then progress on new weight until 4 sets of 12 reps is acheived once again. Rinse/repeat.
Sounds good, with some caveats:

1. There may be an age when lifting to failure makes potential for injury exceed strength/muscle benefits. I’ve not seen anything specific on this topic though, so I’m open to someone changing my mind.

2. You’re probably sacrificing some aerobic training by focusing so much on weights. I’ve mentioned this before, but studies show mortality benefit from resistance training plateaus pretty quickly, around 40 minutes per week. Meanwhile, moderate intensity aerobic training continues to show benefit up to 600 minutes weekly, with no harm up to 2000 minutes.

3. There’s a threshold when body fat percentage is too low. For younger people, that’s generally 5-6%, but it seems to be higher with age, such that 8-10% may be the floor. How tall are you?
You brought up a great point I had never thought of:

1. There may be an age when lifting to failure makes potential for injury exceed strength/muscle benefits.

Very interesting. I'm 50 and increase weight, lift failure. I'm trying to get bigger. That's my mindset. I never thought of this point you mentioned. Kinda made me sad. This is inevitabley gonna happen. I guess the solution would simply be less weight longer sets. Maybe.
 
Better this week.

170.7 lbs at 15.0% bodyfat.

I have crossed over to the obsessive side and I'm tracking my diet with MacroFactor, and the plan is to adhere to its baked-in coached tracking feature. In theory, if I stick to the plan, I should slide into my goal right before the new year. And I have a new goal - 155 pounds. Not sure I want to maintain at that weight, but I'll find out. My overarching goal is to cut down to an ideal fat mass, and then simply spend the rest of my life gradually adding lean mass (until I can't).

Also, trying to apply more rigor in the gym. I've been winging it for 8 months now, and while the improvement has been significant, there's been no real effort to track and progress - adding either reps or weight, weekly. After wasting some time looking at various apps, I realized that this is a tailor-made task for a spreadsheet. So my spreadsheet is built, and I'm beginning with "Find my 12," which is to identify the highest weight (which will be a embarrassingly low weight) I can move for 4 sets of 12 reps. Once I hit that, I'll increase weight and reduce reps - and then progress on new weight until 4 sets of 12 reps is acheived once again. Rinse/repeat.
Sounds good, with some caveats:

1. There may be an age when lifting to failure makes potential for injury exceed strength/muscle benefits. I’ve not seen anything specific on this topic though, so I’m open to someone changing my mind.

2. You’re probably sacrificing some aerobic training by focusing so much on weights. I’ve mentioned this before, but studies show mortality benefit from resistance training plateaus pretty quickly, around 40 minutes per week. Meanwhile, moderate intensity aerobic training continues to show benefit up to 600 minutes weekly, with no harm up to 2000 minutes.

3. There’s a threshold when body fat percentage is too low. For younger people, that’s generally 5-6%, but it seems to be higher with age, such that 8-10% may be the floor. How tall are you?
You brought up a great point I had never thought of:

1. There may be an age when lifting to failure makes potential for injury exceed strength/muscle benefits.

Very interesting. I'm 50 and increase weight, lift failure. I'm trying to get bigger. That's my mindset. I never thought of this point you mentioned. Kinda made me sad. This is inevitabley gonna happen. I guess the solution would simply be less weight longer sets. Maybe.
Check out the post above. Sounds like what you're looking for. Might not be for everyone, but it really works for me.

Eta a link

 
I guess playing disc golf in hot weather works. Another tournament this weekend.

Already down to 203.
Now down to 201

I decided to go on a personal retreat this past weekend. There is a place in the cascade mountains called Breitenbush Hot Springs. It's nirvana for hippes. Natural hot spring soaking pools, natural steam hut, cold plunges galore, no devices allowed in all common areas, off the grid, meals included 100% vegetarian, nudity allowed in all soaking areas, river running through the resort for cold plunges as well. It's a pretty magical place.

Just got back last night and used it to fuel my journey. I think there's a good chance I can get to 195 before the end of the month.
 
Over the last 6 weeks I'm down about 11 lbs (237.5 to 226.4) and about 2.1% body fat (27.7% :sick: to 25.6%) as estimated by the smart scale I have at home. Lot of work to do but I'm making steady progress. Per Strava, I ran 68 slow, somewhat painful miles in the brutal heat of July. But made some decent gains in getting my HR to come down and it feels a little bit better each day. Light years from where I was a couple/few years ago but better than I was yesterday.

ETA - just looked back - per strava, that's the most I have run in 1 month since July of 2022 when I did 69.5. I was about 1 min/mile faster time wise then but also about 15 lbs lighter as well.
 
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Ugh one month later and I'm still yo-yoing at about 237-238. Too many bad days slipped in there. Gonna try kicking a bad habit to the side which should do the trick. Should net me 2-3 pounds a week with keeping the rest the same. Fingers crossed.

I did get back on the routine of walking on the weekend. Just one day, but it's better than zero. Did a ton of yard work Saturday and knew I had more for Sunday so decided not to walk Sunday morning. Sore AF today, good grief this getting old stuff is real.

I am now fitting into 3xl shirts pretty easily and my 38 jeans are a little loose so not a total loss.
 
New milestone reached! I’m down to 191lbs and that dropped me from obese to just overweight on the bmi scale. I know to not put too much stock in that but it made me happy today.
Don’t let the haters lead you astray, nearly every major obesity study utilizes BMI, and it’s good enough for most of us.

Funny how people are quick to recognize perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of the good regarding a healthy diet, yet perseverate on BMI’s shortcomings, despite the mound of evidence it’s a useful health metric.

Anyway, congrats, and keep up the good work!
 
Better this week.

170.7 lbs at 15.0% bodyfat.

I have crossed over to the obsessive side and I'm tracking my diet with MacroFactor, and the plan is to adhere to its baked-in coached tracking feature. In theory, if I stick to the plan, I should slide into my goal right before the new year. And I have a new goal - 155 pounds. Not sure I want to maintain at that weight, but I'll find out. My overarching goal is to cut down to an ideal fat mass, and then simply spend the rest of my life gradually adding lean mass (until I can't).

Also, trying to apply more rigor in the gym. I've been winging it for 8 months now, and while the improvement has been significant, there's been no real effort to track and progress - adding either reps or weight, weekly. After wasting some time looking at various apps, I realized that this is a tailor-made task for a spreadsheet. So my spreadsheet is built, and I'm beginning with "Find my 12," which is to identify the highest weight (which will be a embarrassingly low weight) I can move for 4 sets of 12 reps. Once I hit that, I'll increase weight and reduce reps - and then progress on new weight until 4 sets of 12 reps is acheived once again. Rinse/repeat.
Sounds good, with some caveats:

1. There may be an age when lifting to failure makes potential for injury exceed strength/muscle benefits. I’ve not seen anything specific on this topic though, so I’m open to someone changing my mind.

2. You’re probably sacrificing some aerobic training by focusing so much on weights. I’ve mentioned this before, but studies show mortality benefit from resistance training plateaus pretty quickly, around 40 minutes per week. Meanwhile, moderate intensity aerobic training continues to show benefit up to 600 minutes weekly, with no harm up to 2000 minutes.

3. There’s a threshold when body fat percentage is too low. For younger people, that’s generally 5-6%, but it seems to be higher with age, such that 8-10% may be the floor. How tall are you?
Appreciate the feedback.

Regarding workouts to failure, my routine is a work in progress. What I'm really aiming for is a way to measure/track and progressively lift more, and while putting together a regimen I thought it good to break it down to small weights I could do 4x12 to failure, more or less, just to establish a base. Also, important, most of my lifts are on machines or dumbbells, so failure is in essence just a matter of releasing or letting go with little to no risk. In Office Space parlance, "I wouldn't say I'm failing, Bob." So maybe going forward, once I can hit three set of 12 reps and then "fail" somewhere south of 12 on the 4th set - then I'll be ready to increment to next weight and progress once more until I hit 12,12,12, n, again. My plans are pretty fluid at the moment.

CARDIO! - I hate cardio, BUT, I love walking. I've got circuits measured out that vary between 4 and 7 miles, and weather permitting I do at least three, sometimes four or five walks per week. I kind of want to work a 5K run into my routine too, and maybe get a bicycle, but that's about where my cardio effort will peak. I'm not doing treadmills, stepmills, indoor bikes, etc. anymore.

On bodyfat, I'm 6'0" tall. Optimistically, if I can hit 155 I might touch 9%, but really don't know. It's more a personal challenge at the moment, and realistically probably not where I'll land long term, but I do have the classic skinny guy genes (Hey Sydney Sweeney, how you doin?). Maybe 11-12% for the long haul is where things settle.
Fair enough.

I’m probably a little sensitive to overdoing things atm, 2 months out from completely tearing my hamstring, while doing a mild-moderately strenuous body weight exercise. Mind you, this occurred during slow, deliberate movement, after warming up, and I wasn’t even that fatigued.

Though it’s not my habit, moving forward I’ll be dialing back max exertion considerably. And stretching, a lot.

Walking can accomplish all your CV exercise, with much less wear and tear than running. Add hill intervals and you can even boost vO2 max. Biking is great, too.

155 is a reasonable weight at that height - BMI 21. I’m an inch or two shorter, and feel most energetic in the mid 150s.

And those bf goals seem realistic as well. Not sure about skinny genes (mom was morbidly obese), but I got as low as 5% in my twenties, and target 10% for middle age. Two months of inactivity hasn’t helped that cause though.
 

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