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From Fat to Fit 2025 - I Really Mean It This Time! (1 Viewer)

Turn 57 this weekend.

6' tall

I've been fluctuating between 200 and 215 for the better part of 20 years. I think I got below 200 maybe once around covid. I've been trending towards 210 the last few months but am making a big charge to get below 200 in the next four weeks. Spent the last week participating at the master worlds disc golf championship where I played and carried my bag for 8 straight days a lot of it in 90 degree heat with humidity. This has jump started my return to 200. I came back at 207 and have been crushing salads and water and my usual smoothie routine since my return.
The big thing about losing weight, other than weight loss drugs, is that no matter how many salads people eat, or whatever they’re eating, they don’t stick with it because they don’t like it. It has to be a lifestyle change that you can live with. I’m sure a lot of thought has to go into it.
I like all the stuff that I make and eat.
 
Turn 57 this weekend.

6' tall

I've been fluctuating between 200 and 215 for the better part of 20 years. I think I got below 200 maybe once around covid. I've been trending towards 210 the last few months but am making a big charge to get below 200 in the next four weeks. Spent the last week participating at the master worlds disc golf championship where I played and carried my bag for 8 straight days a lot of it in 90 degree heat with humidity. This has jump started my return to 200. I came back at 207 and have been crushing salads and water and my usual smoothie routine since my return.
The big thing about losing weight, other than weight loss drugs, is that no matter how many salads people eat, or whatever they’re eating, they don’t stick with it because they don’t like it. It has to be a lifestyle change that you can live with. I’m sure a lot of thought has to go into it.
I like all the stuff that I make and eat.
If it helps you to lose weight that is great. Good for you.
 
I had gained some fat heading into 2025, happy to have lost 3.3% body fat and 5 lbs in 2025. Down to 181 / 13.4%. I wouldn’t mind dropping another few lbs and 0.5% body fat in the next month or two.
 
In keeping with my own weekly weigh-ins and accountability today's weigh-in was 174.6, which is the lowest number I've seen this year. Inspired by @Mister CIA i started a weekly 24hr fast and will do a monthly 36hr fast. Feels like that might just do the trick to try and hit 170 around labor day.
I stopped with the 36-hour weekly fasting routine once I thought the weight started coming off a little too quickly (and generally not feeling great), but plan to eventually come back to it as a monthly-ish routine, as you are contemplating - feels great mentally to do this, just not too often.

Currently holding steady, weekly weigh-in yesterday was 169.1 at 15.1% bodyfat. I'm using my Samsung watch as my source for measuring bodyfat, and it seems aligned with the visuals.

Presently I'm doing a reset on my routine, something I should have done earlier, which is to track calories religiously and determine my BMR (base metabolic rate) as the meatheads refer to it. I'm targeting 2500 calories per day expecting to get a 2-3 week run of maintaining the same measurements. If in fact 2500 turns out to be my BMR number, then I'll begin the grind of dieting on 2000 calories per day - and we'll see if math works, where I should be dropping a pound per week (and mostly fat, I hope). I'll be aiming for 160, and at that point I'll reassess. I'm guessing I'll then be in the 11-12% bodyfat range.

<== Looks at calendar and identifies October 19th as my date to hit 160. Let's see what happens.
 
TDEE is another good #. Weight loss in pounds over 14 days * 250. Then ADD your average caloric intake for that same 14 days to that number. And you have your TDEE (assuming your activity level for any two weeks is similar).

TDEE - Cals In = deficit.

Related: down 64 pounds in 13 months, probably around 18-19% body fat now; 13-14 pounds and 5-6% body fat to go (targeting 13%). Find my motivation is slipping a little bit now that I'm back into normal clothes and look like myself again. Health and appearance gains from this last bit are going to be pretty minor compared to what I've already done.

Will need to crack down for ~100 days after vacation since I'm setting a hard stop of Thanksgiving (where I move to maintenance). The deadline is partly to help boost motivation -- one last push!! -- but partly just to have an end date. 17 months is a long time to be in a 600-800 calorie deficit. Grindy.
 
Broken record. Time to rededicate.

Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Step 2 got up early this morning and walked 2 miles .

Tomorrow is the 445 am test

I must change it's getting ridiculous.
My log....232

Woke up at 4:50 walked 2 miles ....it sucks as much as I thought. Was 3 minutes faster today.

Might starts a Garmin coach 5k tomorrow.

I'm so out of shape any movement is going to help. Slow and steady
 
Broken record. Time to rededicate.

Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Step 2 got up early this morning and walked 2 miles .

Tomorrow is the 445 am test

I must change it's getting ridiculous.
My log....232

Woke up at 4:50 walked 2 miles ....it sucks as much as I thought. Was 3 minutes faster today.

Might starts a Garmin coach 5k tomorrow.

I'm so out of shape any movement is going to help. Slow and steady

Those early days are painful but build character. There is no way I could walk 25k steps easily without feeling sore unless I started slowly like you just did and that was only ONE year ago. You gotta start somewhere. Keep it up!
 
Broken record. Time to rededicate.

Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Step 2 got up early this morning and walked 2 miles .

Tomorrow is the 445 am test

I must change it's getting ridiculous.
My log....232

Woke up at 4:50 walked 2 miles ....it sucks as much as I thought. Was 3 minutes faster today.

Might starts a Garmin coach 5k tomorrow.

I'm so out of shape any movement is going to help. Slow and steady
No weigh in.

4:50 f you. . . Did my initial run test but I think I screwed it up. I kept walking during the cool down to finish the 2 miles
 
Broken record. Time to rededicate.

Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Step 2 got up early this morning and walked 2 miles .

Tomorrow is the 445 am test

I must change it's getting ridiculous.
My log....232

Woke up at 4:50 walked 2 miles ....it sucks as much as I thought. Was 3 minutes faster today.

Might starts a Garmin coach 5k tomorrow.

I'm so out of shape any movement is going to help. Slow and steady
No weigh in.

4:50 f you. . . Did my initial run test but I think I screwed it up. I kept walking during the cool down to finish the 2 miles
Most of my life i was a night owl. Started working out in the am because it's when i had time and i can't imagine doing it any other way. It'll get easier if you stick with it.

Nice work on the run :thumbup: . The getting started is the hardest part and you're doing two really hard things at once, getting up really early and running.
 
Broken record. Time to rededicate.

Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Step 2 got up early this morning and walked 2 miles .

Tomorrow is the 445 am test

I must change it's getting ridiculous.
My log....232

Woke up at 4:50 walked 2 miles ....it sucks as much as I thought. Was 3 minutes faster today.

Might starts a Garmin coach 5k tomorrow.

I'm so out of shape any movement is going to help. Slow and steady
No weigh in.

4:50 f you. . . Did my initial run test but I think I screwed it up. I kept walking during the cool down to finish the 2 miles

and remember you don't have to force yourself to jog the whole thing. That can get boring to me. I'm a big fan of sprinting 100 yards, then walking 100, rinse and repeat.
 
I'm getting back on the wagon. In June of 2018 I was up to almost 240 before getting on the fit train. Ran my first and only marathon in 2019 and got down to about 193. Stayed pretty healthy until the middle of COVID and had my first backslide. Recovered for awhile but the last 4 years have been a roller coaster with more uphills than down... So now I'm back up to almost 240 again. Time to try to refund the motivation I found 7 years ago.
Update... Per my smart scale, I have gone from 237.6 and 27.7% body fat down to 228.6 and 25.9% body fat in a little less than a month. It's a good start. Comes mostly from being much better about what goes in the body - cutting way back on junk, eating proper portions, making more of an effort to hit "proper" macros, etc. But I have also got back to running regularly - helps boost some weight loss but that is really more about fitness and such. I have been running 3 days a week and have worked my way up to 15 miles last week. Adding in a 4th day a week this week. Also have been better about going for longer walks on non run days as well. Makes my dog a lot happier and healthier in the process.
 
Broken record. Time to rededicate.

Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Step 2 got up early this morning and walked 2 miles .

Tomorrow is the 445 am test

I must change it's getting ridiculous.
My log....232

Woke up at 4:50 walked 2 miles ....it sucks as much as I thought. Was 3 minutes faster today.

Might starts a Garmin coach 5k tomorrow.

I'm so out of shape any movement is going to help. Slow and steady
No weigh in.

4:50 f you. . . Did my initial run test but I think I screwed it up. I kept walking during the cool down to finish the 2 miles

and remember you don't have to force yourself to jog the whole thing. That can get boring to me. I'm a big fan of sprinting 100 yards, then walking 100, rinse and repeat.
Oh I only "ran" a total of 5 minutes in that 30.... Lol. It was supposed to be a 2 minute cool down .... I took it to 25 minutes : 😂

These have been mostly walking
 
Broken record. Time to rededicate.

Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Step 2 got up early this morning and walked 2 miles .

Tomorrow is the 445 am test

I must change it's getting ridiculous.
My log....232

Woke up at 4:50 walked 2 miles ....it sucks as much as I thought. Was 3 minutes faster today.

Might starts a Garmin coach 5k tomorrow.

I'm so out of shape any movement is going to help. Slow and steady
No weigh in.

4:50 f you. . . Did my initial run test but I think I screwed it up. I kept walking during the cool down to finish the 2 miles
Most of my life i was a night owl. Started working out in the am because it's when i had time and i can't imagine doing it any other way. It'll get easier if you stick with it.

Nice work on the run :thumbup: . The getting started is the hardest part and you're doing two really hard things at once, getting up really early and running.
It was mostly walking but I'll take it :)
 
Broken record. Time to rededicate.

Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Step 2 got up early this morning and walked 2 miles .

Tomorrow is the 445 am test

I must change it's getting ridiculous.
My log....232

Woke up at 4:50 walked 2 miles ....it sucks as much as I thought. Was 3 minutes faster today.

Might starts a Garmin coach 5k tomorrow.

I'm so out of shape any movement is going to help. Slow and steady
No weigh in.

4:50 f you. . . Did my initial run test but I think I screwed it up. I kept walking during the cool down to finish the 2 miles
Most of my life i was a night owl. Started working out in the am because it's when i had time and i can't imagine doing it any other way. It'll get easier if you stick with it.

Nice work on the run :thumbup: . The getting started is the hardest part and you're doing two really hard things at once, getting up really early and running.
It was mostly walking but I'll take it :)
Don't sell yourself short. You're doing something the vast majority wouldn't even think about doing.
 
Normally when I'm on vacation I'll add a few pounds but not one in Boston, NH and especially NYC where I actually lost weight. The past week in NYC I've been averaging 26k steps daily. Makes me not feel bad about indulging in all that pizza and gelato. Gotta feed the machine 💪
Leaving for 12 days in Ireland in a few hours and am hoping for the same. Gonna spend some time throughout the trip thinking about a new regime and looking for opportunities to get some work in. Nothing I've tried over the last 4 years has been sustainable and I've gained 40 lbs as a result. The one thing I'm sure of is I need more balance. I can sprinkle in a heavy lift once or twice per month and the same with a hard run, but need different movements around them instead of just lower impact of the same. My body just can't handle it and my once ever 6-8 week sessions with a massage therapist confirmed as much.
 
Normally when I'm on vacation I'll add a few pounds but not one in Boston, NH and especially NYC where I actually lost weight. The past week in NYC I've been averaging 26k steps daily. Makes me not feel bad about indulging in all that pizza and gelato. Gotta feed the machine 💪
Leaving for 12 days in Ireland in a few hours and am hoping for the same. Gonna spend some time throughout the trip thinking about a new regime and looking for opportunities to get some work in. Nothing I've tried over the last 4 years has been sustainable and I've gained 40 lbs as a result. The one thing I'm sure of is I need more balance. I can sprinkle in a heavy lift once or twice per month and the same with a hard run, but need different movements around them instead of just lower impact of the same. My body just can't handle it and my once ever 6-8 week sessions with a massage therapist confirmed as much.
You guys are better than me. I recently got back from a 5 day mountain bike trip and still found a way to gain a little weight :bag: (maybe it was muscle gains like @Major 💪)
 
So this is something I just had an AHA moment about, and ran my hypothesis through the resident genius in my browser.

After ONE night out (a party, or dinner where I have maybe 2-3 beers) where I exceed my baseline by maybe 500 calories, I find that I put on 3-4 pounds. No surprise there really -- water weight can add up quick. But it takes 4-5 DAYS for things to return to normal -- and that gets kind of demoralizing. But...


✅ What Happens When You “Refeed” After a Deficit -- Glycogen Replenishment

After sustained calorie deficit (especially low carb or high activity), your muscle and liver glycogen stores are partially depleted. A meal rich in carbs and alcohol triggers rapid glycogen resynthesis. And for every 1 gram of glycogen, your body stores ~3–4 grams of water with it.

Let’s say you replenish 400g of glycogen (moderate estimate) → that's ~1.6 kg (3.5 lbs) of combined glycogen and water. This explains the overnight jump.

If you return to a modest deficit, it may take several days to fully re-deplete that glycogen. Once that happens, your body sheds the water over a day or two.

Beer = carbs + alcohol → spikes insulin, suppresses fat oxidation, and encourages glycogen refill. Alcohol also causes fluid retention initially, then mild dehydration (hormonal rebound can confuse things). Salty foods often eaten alongside amplify water retention further.

Summary
  • Glycogen refill +300–600g glycogen + 1.2–2.4kg water
  • Sodium from party food Additional water retention
  • Alcohol Mixed effects: insulin, fluid retention, delayed fat burning
  • Re-deficit after Gradual glycogen use → water release
  • Releasing a lot of fluid on day 4–5 Hallmark of glycogen + water loss
Bottom Line: Your body is very good at restoring glycogen when re-fed, and the scale jump is mostly water + glycogen, not fat. If you return to your deficit, the weight loss resumes as expected — shedding excess water after 4–5 days, just as you described.

Maybe this will help someone else keep the faith after a "bad" day. Seeing the scale go up and get stuck for almost a week after a single night out is such a buzzkill. But it's temporary -- get back on the horse and you'll shed it again, even if it takes a few days. At most you gained 3-4 'real' ounces.
 
So this is something I just had an AHA moment about, and ran my hypothesis through the resident genius in my browser.

After ONE night out (a party, or dinner where I have maybe 2-3 beers) where I exceed my baseline by maybe 500 calories, I find that I put on 3-4 pounds. No surprise there really -- water weight can add up quick. But it takes 4-5 DAYS for things to return to normal -- and that gets kind of demoralizing. But...


✅ What Happens When You “Refeed” After a Deficit -- Glycogen Replenishment

After sustained calorie deficit (especially low carb or high activity), your muscle and liver glycogen stores are partially depleted. A meal rich in carbs and alcohol triggers rapid glycogen resynthesis. And for every 1 gram of glycogen, your body stores ~3–4 grams of water with it.

Let’s say you replenish 400g of glycogen (moderate estimate) → that's ~1.6 kg (3.5 lbs) of combined glycogen and water. This explains the overnight jump.

If you return to a modest deficit, it may take several days to fully re-deplete that glycogen. Once that happens, your body sheds the water over a day or two.

Beer = carbs + alcohol → spikes insulin, suppresses fat oxidation, and encourages glycogen refill. Alcohol also causes fluid retention initially, then mild dehydration (hormonal rebound can confuse things). Salty foods often eaten alongside amplify water retention further.

Summary
  • Glycogen refill +300–600g glycogen + 1.2–2.4kg water
  • Sodium from party food Additional water retention
  • Alcohol Mixed effects: insulin, fluid retention, delayed fat burning
  • Re-deficit after Gradual glycogen use → water release
  • Releasing a lot of fluid on day 4–5 Hallmark of glycogen + water loss
Bottom Line: Your body is very good at restoring glycogen when re-fed, and the scale jump is mostly water + glycogen, not fat. If you return to your deficit, the weight loss resumes as expected — shedding excess water after 4–5 days, just as you described.

Maybe this will help someone else keep the faith after a "bad" day. Seeing the scale go up and get stuck for almost a week after a single night out is such a buzzkill. But it's temporary -- get back on the horse and you'll shed it again, even if it takes a few days. At most you gained 3-4 'real' ounces.
This is mainly for those seeking ketosis, correct? Otherwise, I’ve never considered full glycogen depletion as important for weight loss.
 
This is mainly for those seeking ketosis, correct? Otherwise, I’ve never considered full glycogen depletion as important for weight loss.
Not really sure what you're asking?

Over the last 14 months I've noticed that a SINGLE really large meal or a night out puts on 3-4 pounds. I knew it wasn't real weight, but couldn't figure out why it was so sticky. Like it takes 5 days to see weight drop back off. Which is just so demoralizing. Especially if maybe you'd been in a week where things weren't moving much anyway. 10 days seeing no progress makes it easy to get discouraged. Intuitively you'd think it would pass quickly if it was just "water weight".

So I started asking if it could be related to rapidly replenishing glycogen binding to water and that's what came back from CGPT. I kind of figured out already that the temp gains were just way stickier than you'd expect, so have gotten past worrying about it. Which was very helpful motivation-wise. And I thought an explanation why it happens might be useful to someone else in my spot.

ETA: I'm not on a ketosis diet or anything if that's what you meant. I eat what I want, but cap it around 2000 cals and get 8k+ steps a day.
 
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This is mainly for those seeking ketosis, correct? Otherwise, I’ve never considered full glycogen depletion as important for weight loss.
Not really sure what you're asking?

Over the last 14 months I've noticed that a SINGLE really large meal or a night out puts on 3-4 pounds. I knew it wasn't real weight, but couldn't figure out why it was so sticky. Like it takes 5 days to see weight drop back off. Which is just so demoralizing. Especially if maybe you'd been in a week where things weren't moving much anyway. 10 days seeing no progress makes it easy to get discouraged. Intuitively you'd think it would pass quickly if it was just "water weight".

So I started asking if it could be related to rapidly replenishing glycogen binding to water and that's what came back from CGPT. I kind of figured out already that the temp gains were just way stickier than you'd expect, so have gotten past worrying about it. Which was very helpful motivation-wise. And I thought an explanation why it happens might be useful to someone else in my spot.

ETA: I'm not on a ketosis diet or anything if that's what you meant. I eat what I want, but cap it around 2000 cals and get 8k+ steps a day.
Hmmm...as a general rule, the body attempts to maintain homeostasis, the metabolic status quo. This includes glycogen levels, which help "buffer" the blood, to keep blood glucose in a fairly stable range throughout the day.

I guess what I'm saying is there probably isn't enough variability in glycogen storage following dietary indiscretion to account for weight retention many days later, absent a lot of exercise or carbohydrate restriction. Bodybuilders may be a third group to consider, as their oversized muscles allow greater overall body glycogen.

This is all an academic point, as it's mostly water weight anyway. I'm just arguing water is retained in multiple other ways (corresponding to shifts in salt and protein, for example), and I doubt changes in glycogen storage/depletion account for much of it.

I've never really thought of what's going on biochemically though, so maybe it's a bigger contributor than I expect?

ETA Your scenario refers to refeeding after depleting one's glycogen. In the absence of liver/muscle disease (impaired glycogen synthesis), I don't think typical diet and activity levels promote that, including those involved in long term weight loss.
 
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I could also be reading a CGPT mirage. It makes a lot of mistakes.

But I have read that Glycogen depletion is the biggest reason you lose so much so quickly at the start of weight loss. It's not like you suddenly drop 10 pounds of "normal" water weight (without something else driving it). I think? Otherwise you'd be dehydrated (10 pounds is well over a gallon of fluid).

My understanding is that as you go into deficit at the start of a diet, your body burns glycogen before it gets to the fat and burns thru that very quickly. Which frees up the water bound to the glycogen in far greater quantities. Which is then excreted. That's what made me ask the Q of CGPT in the first place. It's seemed hard to square like 3-4 pounds of water weight gain for five days off 2-3 beers and a +500 calorie excess.
 
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I could also be reading a CGPT mirage. It makes a lot of mistakes.

But I have read that Glycogen depletion is the biggest reason you lose so much so quickly at the start of weight loss. It's not like you suddenly drop 10 pounds of "normal" water weight (without something else going driving it). I think? Otherwise you'd be dehydrated (10 pounds is well over a gallon of fluid).

My understanding is that as you go into deficit at the start of a diet, your body burns glycogen before it gets to the fat and burns thru that very quickly. Which frees up the water bound to the glycogen in far greater quantities. Which is then excreted. That's what made me ask the Q of CGPT in the first place. It's seemed hard to square like 3-4 pounds of water weight gain for five days off 2-3 beers and a +500 calorie excess.
Don't think it's a mirage. This sentence is doing the heavy lifting (emphasis mine):
After sustained calorie deficit (especially low carb or high activity), your muscle and liver glycogen stores are partially depleted.
As long as you're consuming ~130g of carbohydrates daily (that's a little more than half what you'd expect in a healthy 2K calorie diet), and not exercising a lot/intensely, I don't think glycogen stores are depleted much. But I really haven't studied this topic specifically.

Some glycogen is burned off in caloric deficit, for sure, but it doesn't need to be depleted entirely to burn fat/lose weight. So this question is, how much is lost, and how much does "topping off the tank" after dietary indiscretion contribute to water retention?
 
It said you might add back 300g-400g of glycogen. That seemed like a lot to me at a glance, but the math (with the water added) checked out with what I've seen over and over again (3-4 pounds). So, maybe? But definitely above my biology pay grade to say if it's right or not.
 
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It said you might add back 300g-400g of glycogen. That seemed like a lot to me at a glance, but the math (with the water added) checked out with what I've seen over and over again (3-4 pounds). So, maybe? But definitely above my biology pay grade to say if it's right or not.
Maybe. I've not noticed 3-4 pound weight gain following an extra 500 kcal consumption. Then again, I'm not trying to lose weight, don't count calories, or drink much, and rarely step on a scale.

I guess I'm intrinsically skeptical, as in vivo changes are seldom so "clean", in part because there are multiple regulatory/counter-regulatory mechanisms in play, most working to maintain homeostasis. But over the years, I've had many conversations with engineering types who want more predictable, mathematical explanations for biologic processes. IME, there are just too many variables, and a lot we don't understand. So distilling whole body changes to a couple chemical reactions is tough.

My degree is in biochemistry, but this is an unfamiliar concept; thanks for bringing it up. I'll try to educate myself. Looking at this article atm.
 
I think you're right. After pushing back and resolving some contradictions with the resident idiot in my browser it looks like glycogen retopping is maybe 150-200g. And total weight gain from that source is around 1.5-2.0 pounds. The rest is sodium driven water retention and food weight and etc.

For me (202 pounds), it's a legit 3-4 pound gain from one day of excess though. And it takes 4-5 days to work itself back off. Heavy price to pay motivationally for stepping off the wagon for even a minute.
 
I think you're right. After pushing back and resolving some contradictions with the resident idiot in my browser it looks like glycogen retopping is maybe 150-200g. And total weight gain from that source is around 1.5-2.0 pounds. The rest is sodium driven water retention and food weight and etc.

For me (202 pounds), it's a legit 3-4 pound gain from one day of excess though. And it takes 4-5 days to work itself back off. Heavy price to pay motivationally for stepping off the wagon for even a minute.
A quart of kung pao chicken adds 5 lbs overnight if you have been eating relatively clean. MSG loves holding water.
 
I'm reading your article Term and am stuck on the carb calcs. I'm 92 kilos, and walk about an hour a night. Maybe just under. So, per the chart, that's 5g/kg of carbs needed to keep glycogen stores at normal levels (it says 5-7, so I'm taking the low end). But 92*5 is 460g of carbs. Which would require 1840 carb calories a day. i.e. 92% of my total diet. Even 4g/kg would require 75% of daily calories to be carbs.

So what I'm wondering is if the combination of ~moderate exercise with the daily carb deficit depletes glycogen levels in long-term dieters. Maybe I (and other excercise + calorie deficit folks) really are in a deficit and our bodies hyperdrive glycogen when we inadvertently carb load? Is that plausible?
 
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I'm reading your article Term and am stuck on the carb calcs. I'm 92 kilos, and walk about an hour a night. Maybe just under. So, per the chart, that's 5g/kg of carbs needed to keep glycogen stores at normal levels (it says 5-7, so I'm taking the low end). But 92*5 is 460g of carbs. Which would require 1840 carb calories a day. i.e. 92% of my total diet. Even 4g/kg would require 75% of daily calories to be carbs.

So what I think may be happening is that the combination of ~moderate exercise with the daily carb deficit depletes glycogen levels in long-term dieters. Maybe I (and other excercise + calorie deficit folks) really are in a deficit and our bodies hyperdrive glycogen when we inadvertently carb load? Is that plausible?
Sounds reasonable.

The sweet spot for carbohydrates (pun intended), mortality wise, is somewhere between 45-55% caloric intake (derived from the ARIC and PURE studies). For a 2K kcal diet, that's like more like 250g daily. So 460 seems like a lot, even if you are exercising regularly.

This is one reason I'm really interested to see the longterm fallout from current fad diets.
 
I'm reading your article Term and am stuck on the carb calcs. I'm 92 kilos, and walk about an hour a night. Maybe just under. So, per the chart, that's 5g/kg of carbs needed to keep glycogen stores at normal levels (it says 5-7, so I'm taking the low end). But 92*5 is 460g of carbs. Which would require 1840 carb calories a day. i.e. 92% of my total diet. Even 4g/kg would require 75% of daily calories to be carbs.

So what I think may be happening is that the combination of ~moderate exercise with the daily carb deficit depletes glycogen levels in long-term dieters. Maybe I (and other excercise + calorie deficit folks) really are in a deficit and our bodies hyperdrive glycogen when we inadvertently carb load? Is that plausible?
Sounds reasonable.

The sweet spot for carbohydrates (pun intended), mortality wise, is somewhere between 45-55% caloric intake (derived from the ARIC and PURE studies). For a 2K kcal diet, that's like more like 250g daily. So 460 seems like a lot, even if you are exercising regularly.

This is one reason I'm really interested to see the longterm fallout from current fad diets.
Maybe I missed it but as someone who is a proponent of the Mediterranean diet, shouldn't carbs from whole grains/fruit be distinguished from refined flour carbs?
 
I think you're right. After pushing back and resolving some contradictions with the resident idiot in my browser it looks like glycogen retopping is maybe 150-200g. And total weight gain from that source is around 1.5-2.0 pounds. The rest is sodium driven water retention and food weight and etc.

For me (202 pounds), it's a legit 3-4 pound gain from one day of excess though. And it takes 4-5 days to work itself back off. Heavy price to pay motivationally for stepping off the wagon for even a minute.

We're about the same weight and I have experienced the exact same thing. Makes me want to end my cheat day routine but damn some food tastes so good and makes me happy :porked:. Oh well, just make sure I get 25k/daily (12 miles) and I'm good :lol:
 
As I age (almost 51) I have noticed I am getting lazier and lazier. I am fine being lazy, but it has gotten a little out of hand recently. I haven't gained weight (although I should lose 10 pounds) and I still work out regularly (climb, run, tennis, bike, etc) but I have noticed that when I am not doing those things, I kinda just sit around. Rightfully so, it has annoyed my wife.

I am not a list maker. Barely have a list at work, kinda just rely on memory and emails and texts. But last week I decided I should try and accomplish a certain number of things a week. So I made a list up of things I am trying to do everyday. Goal is all of them, but I think if I get 7 or more of the 10, I am good. Here is what I came up with

1. Intermittent fast - 8 PM - 10 AM. Kinda cheating, cause I kinda always do this, but trying to avoid the getting high/drunk late night snacks
2. 6 minute stretch first thing in the morning
3. Exercise. Climb 2 times a week. Run 2 times a week. Lift 1 day. Yoga 1 day. Ride my bike 1 day.
4. Work on a house project. Have a hundred things - I used to take whole weekends to work on them, instead I am going to tackle a little bit each day
5. Declutter my life. Workshop is a mess with a million tools. Email inbox is a mess. Spend a little time each day tidying my life
6. In bed before 10 PM
7. Gallon of water a day
8. Hangboard for 5 minutes. I love climbing, but my finger strength is not where it should be.
9. Read for 30 minutes
10. Connect with wife (watch a show, make love, massage each other, go for a walk, dream big plans, etc)

It's only been a week and a half, but I have routinely gotten 9 of these things done a day. The in bed before 10 and the no food after 8 have been the ones I have missed most.

I am sure this list thing will only last a month or two, but I am hoping it changes bad habits.
 
Service dude we had come to the house asked me if I was a climber. On account of my calves and quads. Said I had a 'good frame'. Not necessarily who I expected to hear it from (NTTAWWI), but I took that as a win and ran straight to the bank with it.

Rocked in at 200.7 this morning. Fluky low weigh in, but sometime in the next couple weeks my #'s to start with a "1" for the first time in ~25 years.
 
Service dude we had come to the house asked me if I was a climber. On account of my calves and quads. Said I had a 'good frame'. Not necessarily who I expected to hear it from (NTTAWWI), but I took that as a win and ran straight to the bank with it.

Rocked in at 200.7 this morning. Fluky low weigh in, but sometime in the next couple weeks my #'s to start with a "1" for the first time in ~25 years.
Hilarious. Note self. Anytime serviceman comes to my house and compliments my calves leave a good review. Ha ha

Side note. Yesterday, they paid us 200 bucks at work to take physical from medical staff they brought in. Drew blood. Pretty complete physical. Every co worker had a number next to their bmi. They just drew line through mine. Gave me the same feeling you got from your cute calves feedback
 
Mistakes were made yesterday, and weather eliminated one extended walk, so not not my best week. I did encounter a water moccasin on one walk, so zone 4 cardio achievement was unlocked. At least there's that. Anyway, weekly weigh-in officially 173.4 and 16.7% bodyfat.

Regardless, based upon calorie counts, activity levels, and a little scientific wild *** guessing, I'm declaring 2400 calories my daily maintenance level, and accordingly will set my daily target at 2000-2100 calories. 12 weeks to go to hit target weight of 160.

To the grindstone!
 
Step 1 going to try weekly weigh ins
Could be counter productive for some, my wife thinks it's excessive, but I weigh in every morning. To some it can be discouraging when you're working hard and either the number isn't moving or goes up but for me if that happens it pushes me to work harder.

I'm in a pretty good place now. I think I can get a little better though. I've gone from (ufc) heavyweight to welterweight but I might try to get down to lightweight. Probably won't get there but I'll keep trimming the body fat off and it'll all be good. (From fat to fit?)
 
Heat is real. Did 3 mile walk in the morning yesterday and then 16 miles on a canoe in the afternoon. Tried to get a bike ride in today but I am wiped. I’m at a bench in the shade 4 miles in and have been here for 20 minutes sipping water and recovering. Pacing yourself may be a real thing.
 
Normally when I'm on vacation I'll add a few pounds but not one in Boston, NH and especially NYC where I actually lost weight. The past week in NYC I've been averaging 26k steps daily. Makes me not feel bad about indulging in all that pizza and gelato. Gotta feed the machine 💪
Wow.. How do you find time to walk that much.. Good for you..
 

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