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I think that's flawed. Situation shouldn't be used to raise a players ranking, only to lower it.
No.. stick with pre-draft. Bump players down that end up on teams with nearly equally talented starters at that position already in place. But don't elevate a player from where they are ranked just because they land in a good situation.Now do you take a RB in a nice spot? Or stick with your pre-Nfl draft rankings? That is the question.
Long-term, a stud is a stud and a scrub is a scrub. But that doesn't mean you should ignore situation. Domanick Davis is the poster boy for this phenomenon. He was an average talent at best, but he landed in a favorable situation where his only competition for touches consisted of scrubs and journeymen. So even though he was a weak player, he held a lot of FF value. He was considered a top 20 dynasty player at one point and if you drafted him cheap in your rookie draft you could've cashed out big time. So I think it's dangerous to completely ignore mediocre players in a good situation. If a guy like Choice or Forte gets picked by the Lions in the 2nd or 3rd round, he has a chance to give you a big return on your investment. In the long run he'll probably have less value than someone like James Hardy or Devin Thomas, but that doesn't mean you can't draft him and cash out once his value spikes. I also think it's clear that situation plays a major role in RB production. Clinton Portis has regressed since leaving Denver. Willis McGahee has been a marginal top 15 guy for most of his career, while similar talent Larry Johnson put up beastly numbers behind a great offensive line. Runners don't run in a vacuum. It would be foolish not to consider their surroundings.I think that's flawed. Situation shouldn't be used to raise a players ranking, only to lower it.No.. stick with pre-draft. Bump players down that end up on teams with nearly equally talented starters at that position already in place. But don't elevate a player from where they are ranked just because they land in a good situation.Now do you take a RB in a nice spot? Or stick with your pre-Nfl draft rankings? That is the question.
I have watched almost every Oregon game the past three years and it sounds like you have never watched him play. It sounds like you see his weight and assume he is not quick. He is not like Reggie Bush or Westbrook I'll give you that, but he is a patient runner with a quick burst and the ability to run someone over. He broke quite a few long runs this past year. He is nothing like Ron Dayne. I don't like the Fred Taylor comparison either. Ricky Williams, Steven Jackson, or Lynch I could agree with.Don't get this? Now I understand why others come on here and give me a hard time.Or anyone else doing rankings.Why because it comes from the top.EBF may be wrong in saying a player is like player 'X'.Can we get over it. Stewart is more like Dayne than Fred Taylor or Ricky Williams.But we get the point, thats what EBF thinks and its why EBF has Stewart so high. Moats at 1.05, I'm sure there was leagues were that happen.Case in point how many picked Drew at 1.05 or even in the first round His rookie year?Again EBF Great job.Enjoy your fantasy football team by drafting Ryan Moats 5th overall.
First off, I love your contributions to this forum. My question is what is fueling these particular adjustments? Is it more time to think about it or is it more consideration to what draft analysts have been saying the past week? I know Kelly recently had his pro day, but I'm not sure about the others...
It varies in each case. Forte is a player that I was initially fairly high on when he first came to my attention. I had him way too low on my first pass at this list though. Criminally low. I think it was a case of focusing too much on his negatives without giving equal weight to his positives. A lot of my comments about him are on point, but he is talented enough to justify a roll of the dice in the top 10.
I'm not patting myself on the back mostly because I think you're in great form this year, but there is subtle coming around to my way of thinking with a lot of this.
I was rigid on Bowe last year and I already knew better but just wouldn't listen to you, Bloom, coaches, scouts, everyone. It is a good lesson learning to stay open-minded or as I say, fickle. None of us can see enough to really know enough unless we're watching some monster like AD I guess.
Yea. Not necessarily because these RB's are great, but moreso because there's a lack of obvious impact receivers.
I think people tend to exaggerate the difference between the conferences. If it's BCS, it's big time football. I see what you're saying though. The argument about McFadden only being successful because the defenders were weak can be applied to any draft prospect. You're right about that. However, I've thought long and hard about these RB's and I'm sticking with my initial opinion of McFadden. I'm pretty confident that he's a fraud. He won't become a true stud FF back and will at best be a mild disappointment relative to his draft hype. He doesn't have the body type and running style needed to be a workhorse NFL RB. Plain and simple. He'll break some long runs and maybe even become a Robert Smith type player, but he's not the next Peterson or Tomlinson.
Be sure and list any "developmental" guys you may like too
Agreed... and just imagine what he could do if properly motivated.
It would take a pretty big bump for one of the lesser receivers to get into the top 12. Most of the elite young quarterbacks already have good receivers to throw to, which means the passers who are capable of elevating a receiver's stats are already "spoken for" if you will. One situation worth watching is Dallas. TO is ancient and Crayton is trash. They have some projects behind those two, but no obvious future franchise WR. If they take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round then he might be worth stashing.With that said, there will inevitably be some receivers chosen earlier in the draft than expected and those guys will be worth a second look in FF leagues. At this time last year there weren't a lot of draftniks hyping James Jones, Laurent Robinson, or Mike Walker. There could be some unexpected top 100 picks again this year. This is not a great draft class if you need an impact WR though. There are some interesting projects out there, but no one who really screams superstar. I think that applies to this rookie crop as a whole (RB's and QB's included). Lots of interesting players. No one you really want to mortgage the farm on. I sold my 1.08 rookie pick in a PPR league for a 2009 1st because I didn't see anyone that I really wanted on my team.
Who the Sam Hill pissed in your corn flakes, brah? The dude worked is tail off - and shared. I for one, appreciate the effort and the player comparisons. Save the nitpicking for your own time.
Not EBF, but I was the party he traded with. Basically, I and another player traded 2009 drafts. the other guy involved has finished worst than me for two year running, but proposed the idea so i went for it as worth risk even though my team in that league is admittedlyCrippler said:
. EBF offered me his 2008 first for this guy's 2009. Our league is pretty close and competititve, so the difference between being a bottom feeder and competing a championship is only a couple of breaks here or there. I took the 1.08 because at worst, i know the handful of players who will be there. I also gives me a trade chip either for a veteran or to maybe move up in the draft. Finally, as for 2009 my very early read is that it is a pretty normal draft class where if don't have a top 5 pick, i will be getting the same quality player at 1.08 this year as would with a mediocore pick next year.
I don't think it was a bad deal for you. In the context of my team, the 1.08 didn't have much value. I didn't see an immediate impact player there and I don't need another WR project on my bench. That doesn't mean there won't be some talent on the board. There will be. The trick, as always, is picking the right guy.Not EBF, but I was the party he traded with. Basically, I and another player traded 2009 drafts. the other guy involved has finished worst than me for two year running, but proposed the idea so i went for it as worth risk even though my team in that league is admittedly
I have a good team in that league. Roethlisberger, ADP, Reggie, Fitzgerald, Coles, Holmes, Rice, Ma. Clayton, Berrian, Shockey, and some other guys. There's almost no way the player I picked at 1.08 would've helped me this year, so I decided to push back the pick a year. I also think there's some upside to the move since there's a chance the pick could be top 5. A bird in the bush is worth one in the hand er....Crippler said:
no. This was for 2008 picks.
Just remember buyer beware. I saw this in a league last year where a guy traded the 1.6 to the owner that had the 1st overall pick that year thinking he would get top 3 this year and more of an impact player. The pick ended up being the 1.12 in this draft. Basically Brady Quinn for Chad Henne in the end but this is also a very deep draft and if it was last year it probably would have been a bustI don't think it was a bad deal for you. In the context of my team, the 1.08 didn't have much value. I didn't see an immediate impact player there and I don't need another WR project on my bench. That doesn't mean there won't be some talent on the board. There will be. The trick, as always, is picking the right guy.Not EBF, but I was the party he traded with. Basically, I and another player traded 2009 drafts. the other guy involved has finished worst than me for two year running, but proposed the idea so i went for it as worth risk even though my team in that league is admittedly
And from what I have read, you are on the nose coolnerd for next years group.
He's moving up. Maybe as high as WR2. I was a little too hard on him early on. It's true that he has a bit of the tall receiver disease, but he's a pretty fluid runner and I like his hand-eye coordination. He reminds me a little bit of Reggie Wayne. Not as sturdy or explosive. Similar frame and playing style.
We'll see. Chicken legs is going to break some long runs here and there, but I think he has some glaring flaws. http://www.waltercamp.org/images/galleries...addenDarren.jpg
Who the Sam Hill pissed in your corn flakes, brah? The dude worked is tail off - and shared. I for one, appreciate the effort and the player comparisons. Save the nitpicking for your own time.Enjoy your fantasy football team by drafting Ryan Moats 5th overall.
Wow, Floyd, I haven't seen you around in a LONG time it seems. Nice to hear from ya!!
With all the Matt Forte hype going on - just remember "always draft talent over situation."Forte right now is the product of situation hype, as was Brandon Jackson last year. Buyer beware.
At least on my board, as I don't recall just where Jackson was in the main stream pre-draft, Forte was a lot higher and is the much better talent. Forte was among my top 8 pre-draft and a target of mine, while Jackson wasn't a target at all. Forte's stock soared, but he had talent to begin with.switz said:
I may get hung here, but does anyone else see a Eddie Royal / Steve Smith comparison?Like Smith, Royal will have to make his impact as a return specialist first. Like Smith, Royal is a short, but strong and quick player. He might not be quite as strong, but he can get there. Obviously Smith is the extreme high-end projection, but it's possible.
I still like Jackson.
There are some physical similarities, but the reason Smith is dominant as a smaller player is because of his extreme aggressiveness/competitiveness/drive. I doubt Royal has that same makeup, at least not to the same degree. I don't really see the comparison.
