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[BigA]

Not finding the endzone

Not catching balls for any good yardage

Not in the game inside the 10 recently

Why is he ranked as the 4th RB going forward in the 250???

 

[sjdogs]

YET

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lets talk in 3 weeks

 

[timintey]

better yet, lets talk after sunday.

 

[CrossEyed]

Not finding the endzoneNot catching balls for any good yardageNot in the game inside the 10 recentlyWhy is he ranked as the 4th RB going forward in the 250???

Remaining Schedule through week 16enver, Cincy, Baltimore, Cleveland, Jets, Miami, Cincy, NE, Jax, St. LouisI see 7 pretty favorable matchups in the next 10 weeks.

 

[mt99808]

Not finding the endzoneNot catching balls for any good yardageNot in the game inside the 10 recentlyWhy is he ranked as the 4th RB going forward in the 250???

Remaining Schedule through week 16enver, Cincy, Baltimore, Cleveland, Jets, Miami, Cincy, NE, Jax, St. LouisI see 7 pretty favorable matchups in the next 10 weeks.

I was thinking the same thing. Had a trade lined up.....I give up Peterson and Harrisson for Parker and TO. I bailed at the last minute because of the uncertainty of his goaline touches.

 

[The Jerk]

I was thinking the same thing. Had a trade lined up.....I give up Peterson and Harrisson for Parker and TO. I bailed at the last minute because of the uncertainty of his goaline touches.

At the very least, Parker doesn't appear to be the clear goal line back. In addition, the Steelers are looking to pass to the TE a lot more in the red zone. I'm not going to breakdown the stats too far, but I believe the TEs combined for 6 TDs in 2006, and they already have 5 TDs in 2007 through just five games. Between these two situations, it's hard to believe Willie gets more than 10 TDs this season.On the other hand, I fully expect him to continue averaging close to 100 yards per game rushing all season, so it's hard to see him falling past #7 or #8 unless his TDs drop to 5 or 6.

 

[kal-el]

Boils down to this: Who do you like better? Every RB out there has at least one major issue to deal with down the stretch: injury, poor supporting cast, losing goal line carries, etc.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Boils down to this: Who do you like better? Every RB out there has at least one major issue to deal with down the stretch: injury, poor supporting cast, losing goal line carries, etc.

I'm not a subscriber, so I can't see who is ahead of him and who isn't. But heres my list going forward:1. Adrian Peterson2. LT23. Ronnie Brown4. Joseph Addai5. Brian Westbrook6. Reggie Bush7. Larry Johnson8. Willie Parker

 

[celticplague]

Boils down to this: Who do you like better? Every RB out there has at least one major issue to deal with down the stretch: injury, poor supporting cast, losing goal line carries, etc.

I'm not a subscriber, so I can't see who is ahead of him and who isn't. But heres my list going forward:1. Adrian Peterson2. LT23. Ronnie Brown4. Joseph Addai5. Brian Westbrook6. Reggie Bush7. Larry Johnson8. Willie Parker

I like your list here....I have Addai and Westbrook in one league with J lewis Brees and Kitna and R Williams A Johnson TJ Housh and Shockey to bootin my redraft league I have Addai and W parker + Maroney, J Lewis, K Jones, A Green, and B jacobs + Wayne Fitz A Johnson B favre Witten and D Bowe...according to your thoughts, which reflect my as well-> Im looking strong going into the final two 3rds of the season

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Boils down to this: Who do you like better? Every RB out there has at least one major issue to deal with down the stretch: injury, poor supporting cast, losing goal line carries, etc.

I'm not a subscriber, so I can't see who is ahead of him and who isn't. But heres my list going forward:1. Adrian Peterson

2. LT2

3. Ronnie Brown

4. Joseph Addai

5. Brian Westbrook

6. Reggie Bush

7. Larry Johnson

8. Willie Parker

Sooo, you have a back-up RB as the #1 RB overall over LT? My goodness what one game does for a rookie?

 

[rowediggy]

I'm not a subscriber, so I can't see who is ahead of him and who isn't. But heres my list going forward:1. Adrian Peterson2. LT23. Ronnie Brown4. Joseph Addai5. Brian Westbrook6. Reggie Bush7. Larry Johnson8. Willie Parker

Goodness. I'm a huge Adrian Peterson fan and fantasy owner all over, but... thats just nonsensical.

 

[SofaKings]

Boils down to this: Who do you like better? Every RB out there has at least one major issue to deal with down the stretch: injury, poor supporting cast, losing goal line carries, etc.

I'm not a subscriber, so I can't see who is ahead of him and who isn't. But heres my list going forward:1. Adrian Peterson

2. LT2

3. Ronnie Brown

4. Joseph Addai

5. Brian Westbrook

6. Reggie Bush

7. Larry Johnson

8. Willie Parker

Sooo, you have a back-up RB as the #1 RB overall over LT? My goodness what one game does for a rookie?

Have you looked at any of his other games? On the other hand...what one game does for LT.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Willie has to find the end zone to be top 4.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Boils down to this: Who do you like better? Every RB out there has at least one major issue to deal with down the stretch: injury, poor supporting cast, losing goal line carries, etc.

I'm not a subscriber, so I can't see who is ahead of him and who isn't. But heres my list going forward:1. Adrian Peterson

2. LT2

3. Ronnie Brown

4. Joseph Addai

5. Brian Westbrook

6. Reggie Bush

7. Larry Johnson

8. Willie Parker

Sooo, you have a back-up RB as the #1 RB overall over LT? My goodness what one game does for a rookie?

Have you looked at any of his other games? On the other hand...what one game does for LT.

Are you freakin serious here? Yes, I've seen all 5 of his games. Count them, FIVE! I've seen 5 seasons worth of LT, FIVE! He is not even in LT's class yet. Please stop!

 

[Godsbrother]

I was thinking the same thing. Had a trade lined up.....I give up Peterson and Harrisson for Parker and TO. I bailed at the last minute because of the uncertainty of his goaline touches.

At the very least, Parker doesn't appear to be the clear goal line back. In addition, the Steelers are looking to pass to the TE a lot more in the red zone. I'm not going to breakdown the stats too far, but I believe the TEs combined for 6 TDs in 2006, and they already have 5 TDs in 2007 through just five games. Between these two situations, it's hard to believe Willie gets more than 10 TDs this season.On the other hand, I fully expect him to continue averaging close to 100 yards per game rushing all season, so it's hard to see him falling past #7 or #8 unless his TDs drop to 5 or 6.

I agree with Jerk here, Willie's going to get his opportunities but the Steelers have lots of options in the red zone. Howver Willie is also due for a couple monster games (150+ yards & a couple TDs).

 

[SofaKings]

Boils down to this: Who do you like better? Every RB out there has at least one major issue to deal with down the stretch: injury, poor supporting cast, losing goal line carries, etc.

I'm not a subscriber, so I can't see who is ahead of him and who isn't. But heres my list going forward:1. Adrian Peterson

2. LT2

3. Ronnie Brown

4. Joseph Addai

5. Brian Westbrook

6. Reggie Bush

7. Larry Johnson

8. Willie Parker

Sooo, you have a back-up RB as the #1 RB overall over LT? My goodness what one game does for a rookie?

Have you looked at any of his other games? On the other hand...what one game does for LT.

Are you freakin serious here? Yes, I've seen all 5 of his games. Count them, FIVE! I've seen 5 seasons worth of LT, FIVE! He is not even in LT's class yet. Please stop!

Congrats on seeing all 5 of his games. You obviously didn't pay attention.

 

[Islander]

All those ranking Peterson ahead of LT at this point on a going forward basis for redraft automatically make it to my ignore list. I want to make sure I don't ever mistakenly take advice from those bandwagon-type people in the future on this board.

The Vikings are much worse than the Chargers offensively, Peterson has to share carries with Taylor more than LT has to share with Turner, LT is almost injury-proof while there are question marks about Peterson, and we are talking about a guy who is one of the greatest RBs ever, maybe only one year past his peak, compared to a rookie with 5 games under his belt. I don't care how good Peterson will ever become, but for 2007 it is a complete lack of judgment to rank Peterson ahead of LT at this exact moment.

 

[kal-el]

LT and Addai are the only two guy you can clearly rank above FWP. Peterson is still a back-up and plays for a team with a shaky QB situation. Brown and LJ play for offenses that are going to be very inconsistent (or just bad) down the stretch. Westbrook carries a large injury risk. Bush has only put up one more TD than FWP, with half the rushing yards.

 

[Islander]

LT and Addai are the only two guy you can clearly rank above FWP. Peterson is still a back-up and plays for a team with a shaky QB situation. Brown and LJ play for offenses that are going to be very inconsistent (or just bad) down the stretch. Westbrook carries a large injury risk. Bush has only put up one more TD than FWP, with half the rushing yards.

I probably would have Westbrook above FWP despite the injury risk. I could see the argument of Brown before FWP. But I would not rank Parker lower than 5th.

 

[LILB811]

All those ranking Peterson ahead of LT at this point on a going forward basis for redraft automatically make it to my ignore list. I want to make sure I don't ever mistakenly take advice from those bandwagon-type people in the future on this board.The Vikings are much worse than the Chargers offensively, Peterson has to share carries with Taylor more than LT has to share with Turner, LT is almost injury-proof while there are question marks about Peterson, and we are talking about a guy who is one of the greatest RBs ever, maybe only one year past his peak, compared to a rookie with 5 games under his belt. I don't care how good Peterson will ever become, but for 2007 it is a complete lack of judgment to rank Peterson ahead of LT at this exact moment.

I will start by saying that for the rest of the season I believe that LT will score more than Peterson will. But, just because Peterson has only played 5 games (like every other running back has this season), I personally think it's a complete lack of judgment to not consider the possibility of him finishing the season as the #1 fantasy back. This is a list for the rest of the season in fantasy, not an MVP race or who will have the better career. Did you put people on your ignore list that said Ronnie Brown would be #1 after his week 3 game?My list looks something like:LTAddaiParkerPetersonWestbrookBushJones-DrewLJ

 

[Islander]

All those ranking Peterson ahead of LT at this point on a going forward basis for redraft automatically make it to my ignore list. I want to make sure I don't ever mistakenly take advice from those bandwagon-type people in the future on this board.The Vikings are much worse than the Chargers offensively, Peterson has to share carries with Taylor more than LT has to share with Turner, LT is almost injury-proof while there are question marks about Peterson, and we are talking about a guy who is one of the greatest RBs ever, maybe only one year past his peak, compared to a rookie with 5 games under his belt. I don't care how good Peterson will ever become, but for 2007 it is a complete lack of judgment to rank Peterson ahead of LT at this exact moment.

I will start by saying that for the rest of the season I believe that LT will score more than Peterson will. But, just because Peterson has only played 5 games (like every other running back has this season), I personally think it's a complete lack of judgment to not consider the possibility of him finishing the season as the #1 fantasy back. This is a list for the rest of the season in fantasy, not an MVP race or who will have the better career. Did you put people on your ignore list that said Ronnie Brown would be #1 after his week 3 game?My list looks something like:LTAddaiParkerPetersonWestbrookBushJones-DrewLJ

You mix up two issues: expectations/probabilities vs actual result. If there is a giant bowl with 60 red balls (LT) and 40 black balls (Peterson) and you have to bet on which one will be drawn, it would be a lack of judgment to pick black. Does it mean I think black is impossible? No.

 

[The Jerk]

LT and Addai are the only two guy you can clearly rank above FWP. Peterson is still a back-up and plays for a team with a shaky QB situation. Brown and LJ play for offenses that are going to be very inconsistent (or just bad) down the stretch. Westbrook carries a large injury risk. Bush has only put up one more TD than FWP, with half the rushing yards.

I can agree with this as far as floors, and that's likely the point you were making. However, there are a handful of RBs who could easily end up top 5 as well, in particular LJ and AP, but also Westbrook and Ronnie Brown. Even Portis and Gore can't be totally dismissed.The TDs are going to be the issue with Parker. Most of the others I mentioned are arguably more likely to score more TDs the rest of the way than Parker. As for Peterson, he's the backup just like Barber III. Which would you rather have, these "backups" or their "starters" in each case? And, he has had his two best games (Weeks 1 and 6) while entering the game as a backup, whereas in his two true starter games he was much more ordinary.I don't necessarily disagree with your slotting of Parker third, but I would perhaps frame it more as a tier with a handful of other RBs rather than Parker clearly above the rest of that group.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

TD's are an issue with everyone. You're speculating on them regardless of who you're picking, except maybe LT. Parker could blow up and score a lot of them, or he could continue his current pace. Flip a coin.

 

[LILB811]

All those ranking Peterson ahead of LT at this point on a going forward basis for redraft automatically make it to my ignore list. I want to make sure I don't ever mistakenly take advice from those bandwagon-type people in the future on this board.The Vikings are much worse than the Chargers offensively, Peterson has to share carries with Taylor more than LT has to share with Turner, LT is almost injury-proof while there are question marks about Peterson, and we are talking about a guy who is one of the greatest RBs ever, maybe only one year past his peak, compared to a rookie with 5 games under his belt. I don't care how good Peterson will ever become, but for 2007 it is a complete lack of judgment to rank Peterson ahead of LT at this exact moment.

I will start by saying that for the rest of the season I believe that LT will score more than Peterson will. But, just because Peterson has only played 5 games (like every other running back has this season), I personally think it's a complete lack of judgment to not consider the possibility of him finishing the season as the #1 fantasy back. This is a list for the rest of the season in fantasy, not an MVP race or who will have the better career. Did you put people on your ignore list that said Ronnie Brown would be #1 after his week 3 game?My list looks something like:LTAddaiParkerPetersonWestbrookBushJones-DrewLJ

You mix up two issues: expectations/probabilities vs actual result. If there is a giant bowl with 60 red balls (LT) and 40 black balls (Peterson) and you have to bet on which one will be drawn, it would be a lack of judgment to pick black. Does it mean I think black is impossible? No.

That's the nature of the game. People take chances. I'm a Peterson owner, and I'm on your side with LT. It doesn't make sense to me either, but I can understand why people would think it's a possibility and want to take that chance after seeing what he's done this year.

 

[The Jerk]

TD's are an issue with everyone. You're speculating on them regardless of who you're picking, except maybe LT. Parker could blow up and score a lot of them, or he could continue his current pace. Flip a coin.

Somewhat true, but most teams have a certain red zone personality. The Steelers appears to have changed this year, while most of the others mentioned have not or are new and so far seem to be favoring the run. Someone else made the reference to poor QB play in Minnesota, but doesn't that actually help make rushing TDs more likely than in Pittsburgh, where so far Ben has had several short flips to the TE?I agree that TDs are more variable than yardage, but it's not like they are truly random either.

 

[Judge Smails]

LT is at the top because of the TD's. He is the guy who scores TD's for SD in the red zone. Running, catching, throwing. For everyone else it is a crapshoot. TD machines in the past included SA and LJ. Those two are no more. I just traded LJ, and a big reason was that KC no longer gets push off the line, especially in the redzone. 1st and goal at the 2 used to be automatic TD's for LJ, now it's typically 2nd and 4 followed by a playaction to Gonzalez. So LT is alone in that regard and deserves to be #1. ADP is second on talent, but will not break long ones often enough to equal LT's TD's. Addai is consistent but Peyton throws a lot in the redzone. Parker has Davenport. Brown will be playing from behind a lot (lots of yards but TD's may be limited). So in my opinion LT has further separated himself from the pack. Totals may not be as gaudy, but others have regressed more.

 

[Islander]

TD's are an issue with everyone. You're speculating on them regardless of who you're picking, except maybe LT. Parker could blow up and score a lot of them, or he could continue his current pace. Flip a coin.

Somewhat true, but most teams have a certain red zone personality. The Steelers appears to have changed this year, while most of the others mentioned have not or are new and so far seem to be favoring the run. Someone else made the reference to poor QB play in Minnesota, but doesn't that actually help make rushing TDs more likely than in Pittsburgh, where so far Ben has had several short flips to the TE?I agree that TDs are more variable than yardage, but it's not like they are truly random either.

Going forward...MIN rush TDs / MIN Pass TDs > PIT rush TDs / PIT Pass TDsbutMIN rush TDs < PIT rush TDsBoth due to poor QB situation in MIN relative to PIT

 

[The Jerk]

LT is at the top because of the TD's. He is the guy who scores TD's for SD in the red zone. Running, catching, throwing. For everyone else it is a crapshoot.

I still think there are certain "systems" coaches who prefer to run the ball in the red zone and especially inside the 5. In the past, it was easier, with guys like Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson who you could count on for this -- anyone remember Karim Abdul-Jabbar getting 16 TDs in either 1999 or 2000? There are also certain guys who love the play-action fakes near the goal line, with Andy Reid near the top of that list.Of the guys mentioned, I think Childress, and Herm Edwards are run-first, but it's not clear either team gets enough chances or maintains passing game respect (as noted, Judge Smails). Both Sean Payton and Del Rio appear to want to run-first, too, but I'm not sure Bush or Jones-Drew have the success at those efforts. Gibbs may be the most likely, at least based on track record, to get a certain RB a lot of GL work. Unfortunately, like Davenport for Parker, Sellers may be taking TDs away from Portis.I don't see it as a crapshoot, but I'll accept that as hyperbole, as it's not as clean as it was a few seasons back, and nowhere near like the late 1990s.

 

[xenith]

Hello? FAA? I'd like to report a hijacking!

My personal, PPR, redraft top10 RBs for 2007:

1 LT - the class of FF still

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2 Addai - clear #1 on top5 offense

3 ADP - the future class of FF, and if childress pulls his head out, move him up to #2

4 Brown - don't care if Fins suck, as long as he stays involved in the passing game too, he rocks!

5 FWP - schedule is nice!! he will find the end zone 10+ by seasons end

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6 LJ - will still have some stinkers, but KC O is finding it's way

7 Westbrook - only down this far b/c of injury risk

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8 Rudi - see Westbrook

9 McGahee - not special, but steady

10 Bush - only this high b/c of PPR points

EDIT: piggybacked the tier idea, and tiered my list.

just my2¢

 

[ScoobyDoo]

TD's are an issue with everyone. You're speculating on them regardless of who you're picking, except maybe LT. Parker could blow up and score a lot of them, or he could continue his current pace. Flip a coin.

Somewhat true, but most teams have a certain red zone personality. The Steelers appears to have changed this year, while most of the others mentioned have not or are new and so far seem to be favoring the run. Someone else made the reference to poor QB play in Minnesota, but doesn't that actually help make rushing TDs more likely than in Pittsburgh, where so far Ben has had several short flips to the TE?I agree that TDs are more variable than yardage, but it's not like they are truly random either.

Going forward...MIN rush TDs / MIN Pass TDs > PIT rush TDs / PIT Pass TDsbutMIN rush TDs < PIT rush TDsBoth due to poor QB situation in MIN relative to PIT

I like your math. Looks about right to me.

 

[kal-el]

I don't necessarily disagree with your slotting of Parker third, but I would perhaps frame it more as a tier with a handful of other RBs rather than Parker clearly above the rest of that group.

Agreed. I'm not say I'd draft FWP third if a fantasy draft were held today. I just don't see any compelling reason to put anyone other than LT or Addai ahead of him. He's the safest bet going forward: talented back with no major injury issues playing in a solid offense.

 

[Firekaps]

Interesting no love for Gore here. Not listed in one top 10 from here on out. Not sure how Rudi and MJD make lists and Gore does not.

For what it's worth I have:

1. LT2

2. LJ

3. Addai

4. Westbrook

5. FWP

6. Gore

7. ADP

8. Portis

9. Reggie Bush

10. Ronnie Brown

 

[The Jerk]

Interesting no love for Gore here.

:(

I can agree with this as far as floors, and that's likely the point you were making. However, there are a handful of RBs who could easily end up top 5 as well, in particular LJ and AP, but also Westbrook and Ronnie Brown. Even Portis and Gore can't be totally dismissed.

 

[xenith]

Interesting no love for Gore here. Not listed in one top 10 from here on out. Not sure how Rudi and MJD make lists and Gore does not. For what it's worth I have: 1. LT22. LJ3. Addai4. Westbrook5. FWP6. Gore7. ADP8. Portis9. Reggie Bush10. Ronnie Brown

My final 2 (Rudi and Reggie) were hard to guess. I put them in my top10 over Gore, the other I considered instead, is that I just don't feel SanFran will get anything together offensively this year at all. JMO

 

[GoinDeep]

Peterson gets locked-up this week....mark it!

 

[The Jerk]

Peterson gets locked-up this week....mark it!

My GoinDeep to English translator is down. Can you help me out?

 

[shakeybarn]

Interesting no love for Gore here. Not listed in one top 10 from here on out. Not sure how Rudi and MJD make lists and Gore does not. For what it's worth I have: 1. LT22. LJ3. Addai4. Westbrook5. FWP6. Gore7. ADP8. Portis9. Reggie Bush10. Ronnie Brown

in viewing this thread....have yet...to see much Willis McGahee. The guy quietly remains in the Top 5. Despite the Raven offense being anemic. They will start moving the ball better (McNair, Heap, and Ogden will be back the second half of the year). Cinncinati, Miami, Buffalo, Cleveland, are some yummy matchups (Cin, Cle, Mia are at the bottom of the NFL rush Ds), with only a couple tough matchups with Pitx2, SD. New England and Indy, don't just look at the yds/game stat. Yds/carry is more compelling, and Baltimore D can slow those offenses down, and perhaps not be down 35 pts by halftime and throw the ball. But please continue to underrate McGahee. Which reminds me to trade for him in another league. He ain't flashy, but all we care about is consistent and healthy points each week.ADP at the top isn't too ludicrous... he's the #1 fantasy running back (please bye adjust your stats).... sharing the ball/carries. As the season wears on Childress will give him more touches.... especially if/when Minnesota wants to win. However, with a schedule with the likes of GB, Dal, Was, Phi, SF, Det, SD... there are some top run Ds in there, and a handful on the better half of rushing Ds. Will be tough. ADP vs LT2 on Nov 4th. (LTs run schedule has some BRUTAL matchups - at TEN, at MIN, at KC, at JAC, BAL, IND, ... but lightens up the final three weeks if you can make it... Det, Den, at Oak)