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Gabbert worst qb ever? (1 Viewer)

i play better qb than gabbert, and i have no arms. he sucks something so awful that it looks like a comedy routine every time he drops back.

 
In fairness, he is throwing to you and me (and without ever seeing you, I'm gonna guess that is worse than the other 31 teams in the NFL).

The guy has the ability. You can see on some of his throws he can make the throws but I do worry he is going down the David Carr/Joey harrington path where his Psyche is destroyed before he can develop. If he were sitting in San Fran or Baltimore or Green Bay, and not being thrown into the pits of hell, he would be fine.

 
He does look pretty horrific.

Hard to say how much of that is a draft whiff by the Jags and how much of it is being a 21 year old rookie with couch-level WRs (that's the next rung down from a street FA). Too soon to write him off IMO. Super young QBs often struggle their first year.

A 21 year old Josh Freeman had an "advanced passer rating" (PFR's metric) of 71 his first season, for example. And Stafford and Vick were at 72 and 77 respectively when they were 21 years old. Gabbert is at 75 currently - right in line with the others. He's just looked really really bad getting there.

ETA: if he'd throw the ball away when he looks down field and all his WRs have a defender in their jersey, instead of taking sacks, he'd be helping his team a lot and wouldn't look nearly so bad. To his credit at least he's not trying to force the ball.

 
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'wdcrob said:
He does look pretty horrific.

Hard to say how much of that is a draft whiff by the Jags and how much of it is being a 21 year old rookie with couch-level WRs (that's the next rung down from a street FA). Too soon to write him off IMO. Super young QBs often struggle their first year.

A 21 year old Josh Freeman had an "advanced passer rating" (PFR's metric) of 71 his first season, for example. And Stafford and Vick were at 72 and 77 respectively when they were 21 years old. Gabbert is at 75 currently - right in line with the others. He's just looked really really bad getting there.

ETA: if he'd throw the ball away when he looks down field and all his WRs have a defender in their jersey, instead of taking sacks, he'd be helping his team a lot and wouldn't look nearly so bad. To his credit at least he's not trying to force the ball.
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This is very interesting, although I have no idea what the Advanced Passer Rating entails.
 
'Sabertooth said:
'wdcrob said:
He does look pretty horrific.

Hard to say how much of that is a draft whiff by the Jags and how much of it is being a 21 year old rookie with couch-level WRs (that's the next rung down from a street FA). Too soon to write him off IMO. Super young QBs often struggle their first year.

A 21 year old Josh Freeman had an "advanced passer rating" (PFR's metric) of 71 his first season, for example. And Stafford and Vick were at 72 and 77 respectively when they were 21 years old. Gabbert is at 75 currently - right in line with the others. He's just looked really really bad getting there.

ETA: if he'd throw the ball away when he looks down field and all his WRs have a defender in their jersey, instead of taking sacks, he'd be helping his team a lot and wouldn't look nearly so bad. To his credit at least he's not trying to force the ball.
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This is very interesting, although I have no idea what the Advanced Passer Rating entails.
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Obviously something made up by math nerds who probably have never played football in the lives.
 
he is the best qb to ever poop in his drawers during a game from fright due to seeing a defensive players number on a jersey being worn by a fan in the stands so he has that going for him

 
Interesting. The "poop his drawers" line was also funnier in this one than it was in the other Gabbert thread.

What's going on here?

 
'wdcrob said:
He does look pretty horrific.

Hard to say how much of that is a draft whiff by the Jags and how much of it is being a 21 year old rookie with couch-level WRs (that's the next rung down from a street FA). Too soon to write him off IMO. Super young QBs often struggle their first year.

A 21 year old Josh Freeman had an "advanced passer rating" (PFR's metric) of 71 his first season, for example. And Stafford and Vick were at 72 and 77 respectively when they were 21 years old. Gabbert is at 75 currently - right in line with the others. He's just looked really really bad getting there.

ETA: if he'd throw the ball away when he looks down field and all his WRs have a defender in their jersey, instead of taking sacks, he'd be helping his team a lot and wouldn't look nearly so bad. To his credit at least he's not trying to force the ball.
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Gabbert is averaging a 5.5 ypa. Stafford averaged a 6.0 and Vick averaged a 6.9. Interesting stat.I agree he's someone to buy in dynasty leagues but that's only because I'm a firm believer in buying anyone when their value hits the crapper. Every once in a great while these turds float to the top of the bowl.

But worse than his stats is how he's looked. I'm generally someone who prefers looking at numbers as our eyes can easily mislead us. But Gabbert just looks like a terrible quarterback. He panics at any hint of pressure. It's sad to see him run into the defenders by stumbling out of the pocket or simply watching him pull a Kobe and hurl a fadeaway jumper off his back foot even when there's nobody in his face.

I'm struggling to think of any qb who winced at ghost rushers and didn't fail in the league.

 
can I officially call the fans of buying Gabbert in dynasties... "Gabbronies"?

C'mon... you know you love it.

Gabbroni.

 
'jojoh07 said:
seriously this guy wont be in the league in 2 years . some of the worse qb ing i have ever seen
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This Gabbert thing is an excellent case study in the massive disconnect that exists between college QB play and NFL QB play. If you think back to pre-season 2010 and into the early part of fall 2010, Gabbert was mostly off the radar as far as NFL prospects go. Even though Gabbert was coming off an '09 season where he led his team to an 8-4 record in which he threw for 3500+ yards and 24 TD's, he really had been ignored by most NFL scouts. The gaudy stats were largely a product of really weak draw in Missouri's Big 12 Conference opponents and a pud non-con schedule (Nevada, Furman, Little Sisters of the Poor U) and Mizzou's embrace of the spread offense. Then, in 2010, Mizzou managed to pull off a 36-27 upset of Oklahoma in a nationally televised game. Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper, Jr started babbling endlessly about Gabbert and moved him up into their top prospects list. It seems most (not all) of the NFL lemming scouting departments bought the hype as well and started to put Gabbert into the same class as legit prospects like Ponder, Dalton, etc.

As the '10 season wound down, Mizzou played a competitive game against Iowa in the Insight Bowl, and we headed off into the draft with Gabbert way over-rated and now he's even being mentioned as a possible 1st or hi 2nd rounder :confused:

Not every NFL team apparently bought the hype, but it seems most did. After all, Gabbert had a strong arm, the requisite size, and 40 TD passes in his final 2 years, right?

What apparently didn't get examined deeply enough was WHO these stats were accumulated against and HOW they were racked up. McNeese State, Miami of Ohio, a horrible Kansas team a few times . . . ugh. HOW? He virtually never lined up under center, he didn't really have to read blitz schemes like he'd face in the NFL, and he was throwing in this spread scheme to Danario Alexander and a host of other lightning fast kids that were going up against inferior coverage CB's consistently. After all, this was the same offense that allowed an under-sized Chase Daniel to rack up over 12,000 yards and over 100 TD's from '05 (when Missouri started running the spread) to '08. Gabbert, just like Daniel before him as well as guys like Colt Brennan at Hawaii were able to pile up massive stats, but were never given the opportunity to develop into legit NFL prospects. It's a mystery why NFL teams continue to blow draft picks on these guys in hopes that one of them will work out.

As the draft started, several desperate teams saw the inevitable run on QB's coming. Jacksonville panicked. They were looking at a 3rd or 4th straight year that they wanted to tell an under-rated David Garrard to hit the bricks, but they apparently had no idea who to hand the ball to. They swung the deal with the Redskins, dealing away a 2nd rounder to move up 6 spots, and like the guy who shows up at your fantasy draft with nothing but a magazine he just purchased at 7-11 ten minutes earlier, they grabbed a Kiper sheet or looked at these god awful grades that the commercial draft services crank out, and called out Gabbert's name. :excited:

The smart NFL teams who know how to work the draft were surely laughing back in their war rooms. The Patriots got a MUCH BETTER prospect in Round 3 with Ryan Mallet. The Texans getting Yates in the 6th round was a steal. Even Ricky Stanzi (RD5) and Tyrod Taylor (RD6) will likely have a better shot at making it as an NFL QB.

Gabbert had better be buying Missouri Off Coordinator David Yost and HC Gary Pinkel a nice Christmas gift this year, because their spread Off scheme allowed him to steal $12M from the Jags. The option on an additional year on his deal will never be exercised and his career is on the same trajectory as Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell.

I obviously agree with the guys who say Gabbert won't be in the league in a few years.

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I think the Jags are doing more harm than good, leaving him out there when he is so awful.

I think they should bench him, get some weapons, let him watch, let him learn a bit, and go from there. I still think David Carr could have developed with time, but he was beat up mentally. Gabbert is getting beat up mentally too.

 
Mike Lombardi on Gabbert:

Now for the bad. In my 20-plus years in the NFL, I don't think I have seen a high first-round pick look as scared or as out of place as Blaine Gabbert. The game looks entirely too big for him. When the ball is in his hand, he treats it like a hot potato. His play was embarrassing, considering he was a top 10 pick. I believed Gabbert was a good prospect and wrote about it leading up to the draft. When everyone was concerned about his down-field throws, I thought he would be able to adjust. But never did I think his eye level would be this low, his unwillingness to hang in the pocket this bad. I readily admit my mistake. Now the Jags need to do the same. The longer they play him, they run the risk of losing the team. How can they expect the players around him to buy in? Gabbert cannot fool his teammates. If he continues to play like this, no one will want to play with him.

Now, I understand it is really early in Gabbert's career, and the Jags have a pedestrian offense and no receivers around him. But his play borders on that of an undrafted free agent. Organizations that are the most successful are the ones that ignore draft status and evaluate the players on how they play. I realize the Jags have a significant investment in Gabbert, but they have a bigger one in winning games.

Jags GM Gene Smith has a huge problem. He has to lure a coach into Jacksonville and convince that potential coach that what he is seeing on tape is not the player who Gabbert really can become. Who would want the job saddled with a first-round bust? Smith can find anyone to agree to becoming an NFL head coach, but the good candidates will walk away, or won't even interview.

New owner Shahid Khan has to feel excited about finally being a part of a super-exclusive club. I am not so sure he should feel as excited about his team or its future. The one thing I know for sure -- his Jaguars won't be on national television again any time soon.

full articlehere.

 
'wdcrob said:
He does look pretty horrific.Hard to say how much of that is a draft whiff by the Jags and how much of it is being a 21 year old rookie with couch-level WRs (that's the next rung down from a street FA). Too soon to write him off IMO. Super young QBs often struggle their first year. A 21 year old Josh Freeman had an "advanced passer rating" (PFR's metric) of 71 his first season, for example. And Stafford and Vick were at 72 and 77 respectively when they were 21 years old. Gabbert is at 75 currently - right in line with the others. He's just looked really really bad getting there.ETA: if he'd throw the ball away when he looks down field and all his WRs have a defender in their jersey, instead of taking sacks, he'd be helping his team a lot and wouldn't look nearly so bad. To his credit at least he's not trying to force the ball.
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PFR's advanced passer rating is simply passer rating (i.e., QB rating) adjusted for era. But passer rating is a terrible way to judge stats (although if you insist on using it, an era-adjusted version is the way to go) which PFR acknowledges. But hey, people like to see the stat.Gabbert is good precisely where QB Rating fails. Gabbert takes way too many sacks. Passer rating ignores sacks. Gabbert is afraid to take risks -- his INT rate is by far his best statistic -- but QB Rating overrates interceptions. To judge a quarterback prospectively -- that is, to look at his metrics now to predict how he will play in the future -- Net Yards per Attempt is the best single statistic out there. That's simply passing yards divided by pass attempts, but including sacks in the denominator and sacks yards lost in the numerator.Gabbert averages 4.3 NY/A and has an Net Yards Attempt index of 64 (the era adjusted number). The index numbers are based on a scale of 100 (being league average) and every standard deviation away from average is +/- 15 points. So at 64, that means Gabbert's NY/A is about 2.5 standard deviations below league average, which is terrible.I'd also point out that Gabbert isn't 21, but 22. That said:Josh Freeman had a NY/A index of 91 at age 21, and Vick and Stafford were at 84 and 83, respectively.
 
Loved when he got sacked and fumbled, he strolled over to the bench, flopped down and rested both arms on the bench like he just took a walk in the park. A QB worth a #### would have been right there with the OC talking about it and waiting for the photos to come down so they can discuss his suckage.

 
'spodog said:
'jojoh07 said:
seriously this guy wont be in the league in 2 years . some of the worse qb ing i have ever seen
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This Gabbert thing is an excellent case study in the massive disconnect that exists between college QB play and NFL QB play. If you think back to pre-season 2010 and into the early part of fall 2010, Gabbert was mostly off the radar as far as NFL prospects go. Even though Gabbert was coming off an '09 season where he led his team to an 8-4 record in which he threw for 3500+ yards and 24 TD's, he really had been ignored by most NFL scouts. The gaudy stats were largely a product of really weak draw in Missouri's Big 12 Conference opponents and a pud non-con schedule (Nevada, Furman, Little Sisters of the Poor U) and Mizzou's embrace of the spread offense. Then, in 2010, Mizzou managed to pull off a 36-27 upset of Oklahoma in a nationally televised game. Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper, Jr started babbling endlessly about Gabbert and moved him up into their top prospects list. It seems most (not all) of the NFL lemming scouting departments bought the hype as well and started to put Gabbert into the same class as legit prospects like Ponder, Dalton, etc.

As the '10 season wound down, Mizzou played a competitive game against Iowa in the Insight Bowl, and we headed off into the draft with Gabbert way over-rated and now he's even being mentioned as a possible 1st or hi 2nd rounder :confused:

Not every NFL team apparently bought the hype, but it seems most did. After all, Gabbert had a strong arm, the requisite size, and 40 TD passes in his final 2 years, right?

What apparently didn't get examined deeply enough was WHO these stats were accumulated against and HOW they were racked up. McNeese State, Miami of Ohio, a horrible Kansas team a few times . . . ugh. HOW? He virtually never lined up under center, he didn't really have to read blitz schemes like he'd face in the NFL, and he was throwing in this spread scheme to Danario Alexander and a host of other lightning fast kids that were going up against inferior coverage CB's consistently. After all, this was the same offense that allowed an under-sized Chase Daniel to rack up over 12,000 yards and over 100 TD's from '05 (when Missouri started running the spread) to '08. Gabbert, just like Daniel before him as well as guys like Colt Brennan at Hawaii were able to pile up massive stats, but were never given the opportunity to develop into legit NFL prospects. It's a mystery why NFL teams continue to blow draft picks on these guys in hopes that one of them will work out.

As the draft started, several desperate teams saw the inevitable run on QB's coming. Jacksonville panicked. They were looking at a 3rd or 4th straight year that they wanted to tell an under-rated David Garrard to hit the bricks, but they apparently had no idea who to hand the ball to. They swung the deal with the Redskins, dealing away a 2nd rounder to move up 6 spots, and like the guy who shows up at your fantasy draft with nothing but a magazine he just purchased at 7-11 ten minutes earlier, they grabbed a Kiper sheet or looked at these god awful grades that the commercial draft services crank out, and called out Gabbert's name. :excited:

The smart NFL teams who know how to work the draft were surely laughing back in their war rooms. The Patriots got a MUCH BETTER prospect in Round 3 with Ryan Mallet. The Texans getting Yates in the 6th round was a steal. Even Ricky Stanzi (RD5) and Tyrod Taylor (RD6) will likely have a better shot at making it as an NFL QB.

Gabbert had better be buying Missouri Off Coordinator David Yost and HC Gary Pinkel a nice Christmas gift this year, because their spread Off scheme allowed him to steal $12M from the Jags. The option on an additional year on his deal will never be exercised and his career is on the same trajectory as Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell.

I obviously agree with the guys who say Gabbert won't be in the league in a few years.

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Can't believe a thread with this title took 31 posts before someone mentioned Leaf or JaMarcus.
 
'Chase Stuart said:
PFR's advanced passer rating is simply passer rating (i.e., QB rating) adjusted for era. But passer rating is a terrible way to judge stats (although if you insist on using it, an era-adjusted version is the way to go) which PFR acknowledges. But hey, people like to see the stat.

Gabbert is good precisely where QB Rating fails. Gabbert takes way too many sacks. Passer rating ignores sacks. Gabbert is afraid to take risks -- his INT rate is by far his best statistic -- but QB Rating overrates interceptions.

To judge a quarterback prospectively -- that is, to look at his metrics now to predict how he will play in the future -- Net Yards per Attempt is the best single statistic out there. That's simply passing yards divided by pass attempts, but including sacks in the denominator and sacks yards lost in the numerator.

Gabbert averages 4.3 NY/A and has an Net Yards Attempt index of 64 (the era adjusted number). The index numbers are based on a scale of 100 (being league average) and every standard deviation away from average is +/- 15 points. So at 64, that means Gabbert's NY/A is about 2.5 standard deviations below league average, which is terrible.

I'd also point out that Gabbert isn't 21, but 22. That said:

Josh Freeman had a NY/A index of 91 at age 21, and Vick and Stafford were at 84 and 83, respectively.
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Hey Chase, thanks a bunch for chiming in here. I'd assumed that PFR had its own passer rating.I also misremembered this article. I was sure that you dropped the "N" from the ANY/A formula if you wanted to look ahead. It seems counter intuitive that TDs and INTs aren't predictive.

I'm don't know yet if that totally blows up something I've been working on, or makes it a little bit better. But either way thanks again for clearing it up.

Also don't know how PFR calculates ages, but Gabbert started the season at 21.

 
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He has no chance of ever being a decent player...NONE! The jags should cut him today. He had a nice long training camp to start to get acclimated, the team allowed him to learn the game by using a veteran QB to run the team this season, and have surrounded him with elite talent. With all these opportunities the fact that he is not producing can only mean he sucks. If only there was an amnesty clause in the NFL.

 
Tim Couch

Akili Smith

Joey Harrington

Jemarcus Russell

Rick Mirer

Ryan Leaf

Chad Hutchinson

Quincy Carter

Cade McNown

Just off the top of my head.

 
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