Gabbert's Pro Day 'much better' than Newton's (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

NFL.com's Gil Brandt labeled Blaine Gabbert's Pro Day workout "outstanding" and "much better" than Cam Newton's.

Brandt's opinion is noteworthy because he had been one of the Heisman winner's leading supporters, advocating for the Panthers to jump all over Newton with the first pick. "I'm not so sure now," says Brandt. "Gabbert couldn't have done better had he borrowed Drew Brees' right arm. All the questions about his accuracy should start to go away after his workout in front of approximately 125 scouts, coaches and GMs." SI.com's Tony Pauline also believes Gabbert should be ranked ahead of Newton at this point.

Let me ask you this, why in the h e double l would anyone waste a high pick on Newton when they could draft someone to help their team right now. If a team is hell bent on taking a qb WHY NOT take someone with a better QB pedigree instead of a way out in left field project?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Let me ask you this, why in the h e double l would anyone waste a high pick on Newton when they could draft someone to help their team right now. If a team is hell bent on taking a qb WHY NOT take someone with a better QB pedigree instead of a way out in left field project?

I'm not an advocate of taking Newton early (I think it'd be a mistake), but this is a silly statement. Gabbert is far from an elite prospect. This situation is fairly comparable to the Young/Leinart situation. Why would anyone take a project like Young when they could take someone with a much better QB pedigree like Leinart? Were Young not such a head case he'd be killing Leinart in the NFL even more than he already did right now.Scouts are wrong about prospects all the time. To say one team's scouts are stupid for wanting to give a shot to a guy who doesn't do as well at traditional QB tests that were invented decades ago when football was a totally different game is short-sighted. Plenty of these types of guys have been successful and going forward the teams that stick soley to traditional decisions and tests are going to keep falling further and further behind.

 

[sihaokills]

Gabbert is most likely better than Newton in accuracy. I believe that Newton can't fit into the NFL. He is a good runner but the NFL has way better LBs. Gabbert fits to any of the early teams as they like to run the ball more. The Bengals are a run first team and Gabbert could be perfect.. Qbs are more important than Wrs at the end of the day. The NFL teams are looking into the two QBs closely but I believe Newton will go first for his physical abilities although I like Gabbert better.

 

[Multiple Scores]

What spread option qbs have had sucess in the NFL? Not sarcasm, just can't think of any.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

What spread option qbs have had sucess in the NFL? Not sarcasm, just can't think of any.

Colt McCoy did decent for Cleveland last season; also, didn't Oklahoma run a gimmicky spread-style system with Braford in 08? Not saying these are great examples, but with more college programs utilizing tricked-up offenses, it's going to be harder and harder to find top QB prospects that took all their snaps under center.

 

[EBF]

IMO QB pro days are pretty worthless.

Lots of QBs can look great when they have several weeks to practice a scripted routine. What separates the Peyton Mannings from the Derek Andersons is the ability to thrive under pressure facing unpredictable defenses and clever defensive backs who punish mistakes. Throwing against air in a comfortable setting doesn't tell you much about whether or not a prospect has the skills that matter most at the QB position.

None of this means that Gabbert won't be better than Newton. I just wouldn't use the pro day as evidence. I'm pretty sure Kyle Boller had a great pro day too.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Gil Brandt is a hack. Anybody that changes their mind that drastically based on a pro day is clearly working in the media and not for a team for a pretty good reason.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong on which QB is better, but anyone that drastically changes their mind based on this is a fool.

I already had no respect for Brandt after he plagarized from FootballOutsiders.

 

[Donnybrook]

IMO QB pro days are pretty worthless.Lots of QBs can look great when they have several weeks to practice a scripted routine. What separates the Peyton Mannings from the Derek Andersons is the ability to thrive under pressure facing unpredictable defenses and clever defensive backs who punish mistakes. Throwing against air in a comfortable setting doesn't tell you much about whether or not a prospect has the skills that matter most at the QB position. None of this means that Gabbert won't be better than Newton. I just wouldn't use the pro day as evidence. I'm pretty sure Kyle Boller had a great pro day too.

I recall that Alex Smith received a standing ovation from scouts on his pro day workout. You have to wonder if that workout had enough weight to tip the scales if favor of Smith over Rodgers in the 2005 draft.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I thought I heard mention that the panthers might take gabbert at 1:00 sometime this week on sports talk IIRC.

 

[Donnybrook]

I thought I heard mention that the panthers might take gabbert at 1:00 sometime this week on sports talk IIRC.

Yeah you are right. Kiper had Gabbert at #1 ealier than his pro day. (I edited my post)

 

[thriftyrocker]

What spread option qbs have had sucess in the NFL? Not sarcasm, just can't think of any.

Roethlisberger and Brees have won super bowls. Other guys that come to mind are Orton and Kolb.

 

[Dave Larkin]

The Panthers have a private workout scheduled with Gabbert this weekend. In unfamiliar settings with no script in place, I wonder how he will fare. I think he will be very eager to impress Carolina's decision makers.

 

[Sabertooth]

In a start 2 QB dynasty league, where would you guys rank Gabbert? So far I am thinking,

Green

Ingram

Jones

Leshoure

Gabbart

But I don't follow the college game much.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

IMO QB pro days are pretty worthless.Lots of QBs can look great when they have several weeks to practice a scripted routine. What separates the Peyton Mannings from the Derek Andersons is the ability to thrive under pressure facing unpredictable defenses and clever defensive backs who punish mistakes. Throwing against air in a comfortable setting doesn't tell you much about whether or not a prospect has the skills that matter most at the QB position. None of this means that Gabbert won't be better than Newton. I just wouldn't use the pro day as evidence. I'm pretty sure Kyle Boller had a great pro day too.

First the combine, now this. How many excuses can we make for Newton?

 

[Yenrub]

IMO QB pro days are pretty worthless.Lots of QBs can look great when they have several weeks to practice a scripted routine. What separates the Peyton Mannings from the Derek Andersons is the ability to thrive under pressure facing unpredictable defenses and clever defensive backs who punish mistakes. Throwing against air in a comfortable setting doesn't tell you much about whether or not a prospect has the skills that matter most at the QB position. None of this means that Gabbert won't be better than Newton. I just wouldn't use the pro day as evidence. I'm pretty sure Kyle Boller had a great pro day too.

First the combine, now this. How many excuses can we make for Newton?

I don't see it as an excuse for Newton, EBF is just stating that he doesn't think much of the pro day or combine

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

IMO QB pro days are pretty worthless.Lots of QBs can look great when they have several weeks to practice a scripted routine. What separates the Peyton Mannings from the Derek Andersons is the ability to thrive under pressure facing unpredictable defenses and clever defensive backs who punish mistakes. Throwing against air in a comfortable setting doesn't tell you much about whether or not a prospect has the skills that matter most at the QB position. None of this means that Gabbert won't be better than Newton. I just wouldn't use the pro day as evidence. I'm pretty sure Kyle Boller had a great pro day too.

First the combine, now this. How many excuses can we make for Newton?

I don't see it as an excuse for Newton, EBF is just stating that he doesn't think much of the pro day or combine

Ok, then when he sucks in the NFL we will chalk it off to not being in the right system.

 

[Yenrub]

IMO QB pro days are pretty worthless.Lots of QBs can look great when they have several weeks to practice a scripted routine. What separates the Peyton Mannings from the Derek Andersons is the ability to thrive under pressure facing unpredictable defenses and clever defensive backs who punish mistakes. Throwing against air in a comfortable setting doesn't tell you much about whether or not a prospect has the skills that matter most at the QB position. None of this means that Gabbert won't be better than Newton. I just wouldn't use the pro day as evidence. I'm pretty sure Kyle Boller had a great pro day too.

First the combine, now this. How many excuses can we make for Newton?

I don't see it as an excuse for Newton, EBF is just stating that he doesn't think much of the pro day or combine

Ok, then when he sucks in the NFL we will chalk it off to not being in the right system.

Well there are a number of reasons that a QB (or any player for that matter) will bust.Is it your position that Newton will bust and Gabbert won’t?

 

[FavreCo]

I thought I heard mention that the panthers might take gabbert at 1:00 sometime this week on sports talk IIRC.

I hope so otherwise I'll have to cut David Gettis. Gettis with Newton at QB is a wasted roster spot.