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Marinelli is a witch of a dline coach. He might be the only guy in the league who can get to this guy, but I wouldn't be counting on it. He doesn't have the leg strength or the upper body strength to get past these lineman. Marinelli can get guys with the necessary talent to get their heads out of the woods, but I don't think this guy has the power necessary to rush NFL lineman. He was great when going against Duke though.
didn't he just have a strong game against Washington? I agree he looked terrible in the other games, but there still seems like there's some potential there. He just seems soft or uninterested to me, but maybe it's a lack of strength like you said.
I guess a sack and being involved in a turnover is cause for celebration now. He did have a good game against the Skins, but also got stonewalled against a Bills Olineman taken in the 6th round making like his third career start. He'll get 5-6 sacks for the Bears if they run him out there enough, but is such a liabiity against the run that he can only play on third downs.
agreed.
agreed.
he just looked like a different player in the Skins game to me.Bears don't need him to stop the run...for this year at least.Tampa going to turn back to Stylez at RDE now?
Yea, but then he was back to being invisible against Philly. 2.5 years is enough to see he's not very good, and one decent game in five isn't a good ratio.I guess White will play some. They seem to like the rookie Kyle Moore a lot, and he returns this week. I imagine he'll get a fair share of the PT.
Now THAT'S wishful thinking.
Who cares? They're not here anymore. Plus, I think the 0-5 start has done plenty to expose the bad drafts of Gruden/Allen.
It sucks. But it's not like it started sucking today. It was an awful decision the day it was made.
But it's not today's 4th overall pick. It was the 4th overall pick of 2.5 years ago who has shown almost nothing on tape.Seriously...what are you talking about?
Only getting stranger. Talib has been twice the player Gaines has been.
Sure he was. By Monte Kiffin for two years, only one of the best defensive minds in the past 15 years.
Sure he was. By Monte Kiffin for two years, only one of the best defensive minds in the past 15 years.
He reminds you of Alex Brown from a height, weight, speed perspective. It would be interesting to watch those two guys at opposite ends. I remember when Brown left Florida, they said a lot of that same stuff about him. Jevon Kearse too.Marinelli will get him to the QB. Could be a bargain. At the least, he has a good chance to be better than Dan Bazuin.
He did wonders for Corey Redding
No, he wasn't the only one. But that's part of the deal being the 4th overall pick. And really...his effort seemed to be nil at times. Not only is he really not that good, but he didn't seem all that interested in getting better.
Adams wasn't very good, if it wasn't for his draft position he wouldn't have gotten the chances he got. Adams is no victim here. He's a bad player that has been stealing money since he got drafted. What kind of defense is, "What about everyone else?" Raheem doesn't get a 5 game honeymoon, but Adams gets a 3 year mulligan? That doesn't make any sense.
I don't see what Adams being awful has to do with the Bucs lacking a leader. The two have nothing to do with each other. They really don't have a leader on defense now. May help explain why they are awful. But still...Gaines sucked. That wasn't going to change here.
With the amount of money they had to pay the guy, trading off the 4th overall pick in the draft at the beginning of his 3rd season makes the bucs look downright foolish. that organization is lost at sea
So they should just keep running out an inferior player and then NOT get a 2nd-rd pick just because they gave him a lot of money?
i wont be getting into a discussion with you because u are usually a massive tool with an annoyong little nasal sound to your voice. please put me on ignore and dont steal my nestegg. tiaSo they should just keep running out an inferior player and then NOT get a 2nd-rd pick just because they gave him a lot of money?
Yeah that's what I'm wondering here. 11 sacks and 2 picks in his first two years isn't bad production. Its not setting the world on fire, but it's probably in the middle of the pack for starting 4-3 D ends in the league
I don't give Raheem the honeymoon period much longer, but Tampa Bay sure is. Some folks like to think he is the next Mike Tomlin. They are both young black head coaches. The similarities end there. He was always Chuckie's water boy. He majorly screwed the pooch by not vetting his new OC, by interviewing his skills as a playcaller, and then being forced to fire him a week before the season starts. His team as a whole shows no discipline, and defense in particular with shoddy tackling.So back to Gaines Adams....I am not a personnel man, and my opinion is as good as the next guy. I don't think that Chicago's personnel men are a group of fools. No one trades a 2nd round pick for someone elses "bust". I don't think they are basing his goods on just the Washington game when he had a sack and fumble recovery early. He must have some skill set that they felt was needed. They feel that they can coach him up and use him in the correct scheme.Adams may be a "bust" in the eyes of the fans, but there are people out in NFL organizations that think much more of him than public opinion. Else, why would the Bears offer a 2nd? For perspective, I think that JaMarcus is a collasal bust. I don't think there would be a team in the NFL that would compensate us anything to take him off our hands.
Those aren't really good arguments, imo. We've seen numerous trades that looked terrible both at the time they occurred and years later (Examples: 2nd for AJ Feeley, 1st for Branch, A load for Ricky Williams, etc etc) We can't assume it's a good decision merely because the Bears made it. I'm a bears fan, and I'm reserving judgment until I find out exact details, but you can't simply say "well, they had to have SOME reason to trade, so it must be ok!" It very well may be that this works out well, but I don't think your reasoning here is sound - that's all.My opinion on the trade: I hope it's a third. Adams has been mostly forgotten, and his value on the open market can't be very high. I cannot believe there was tons of interest in him, so trading a second for a semi-bust seems like too high of a price. Still, it is very possible that Lovie and Marinelli will be able to turn his career around, and that years later, this will seem to be a good trade. Adams is exactly the kind of undersized speedy end Lovie is typically looking for in his scheme. Unfortunately, Adams spent at least one year (two?) in a very similar scheme (it's called Tampa 2 for a reason) with mediocre results, so who knows?
The fact that he went for a 2nd doesn't mean much. The list of players that go for a 2nd and fail is pretty long.
I'm sorry...wha?It's ok to admit you're wrong. Even if you apparently are a stupid person.i wont be getting into a discussion with you because u are usually a massive tool with an annoyong little nasal sound to your voice. please put me on ignore and dont steal my nestegg. tiaSo they should just keep running out an inferior player and then NOT get a 2nd-rd pick just because they gave him a lot of money?
No reason for him to admit he's wrong. His assessment of you is pretty spot on.I'm sorry...wha?It's ok to admit you're wrong. Even if you apparently are a stupid person.i wont be getting into a discussion with you because u are usually a massive tool with an annoyong little nasal sound to your voice. please put me on ignore and dont steal my nestegg. tiaSo they should just keep running out an inferior player and then NOT get a 2nd-rd pick just because they gave him a lot of money?
to me.
