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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

Where is Ned Stark? I completely lost track of where he went on the show
He is the faceless man. Duh.
Is that the guy they just introduced 2 episodes ago?
re-introduced. I think he was also a bit player in season one.
I completely missed that- no memory of him ever being on the show.
Probably because he changed his name to Ned Snow to give Jon some legitimacy.

 
Where is Ned Stark? I completely lost track of where he went on the show
He is the faceless man. Duh.
Is that the guy they just introduced 2 episodes ago?
re-introduced. I think he was also a bit player in season one.
I completely missed that- no memory of him ever being on the show.
You may want to go to a Doctor and have your memory tested.

 
Where is Ned Stark? I completely lost track of where he went on the show
He is the faceless man. Duh.
Is that the guy they just introduced 2 episodes ago?
re-introduced. I think he was also a bit player in season one.
I completely missed that- no memory of him ever being on the show.
You may want to go to a Doctor and have your memory tested.
A proctologist.

 
Where is Ned Stark? I completely lost track of where he went on the show
He is the faceless man. Duh.
Is that the guy they just introduced 2 episodes ago?
re-introduced. I think he was also a bit player in season one.
I completely missed that- no memory of him ever being on the show.
Probably because he changed his name to Ned Snow to give Jon some legitimacy.
so this is thing now, eh?

 
Where is Ned Stark? I completely lost track of where he went on the show
He is the faceless man. Duh.
Is that the guy they just introduced 2 episodes ago?
re-introduced. I think he was also a bit player in season one.
I completely missed that- no memory of him ever being on the show.
Probably because he changed his name to Ned Snow to give Jon some legitimacy.
so this is thing now, eh?
Everyone is bored... we talked the last episode (and apparently Barristan) to death.

 
Also, I hope you jerks are starting to respect Stannis. He is the rightful king. Tommen needs to step down.
Well, actually whomever marries Daenerys Targaryen is the rightful king. Robert Baratheon usurped the Throne, but the true, rightful heir is Daenerys.
I have a theory on this that I'm sure is right. As a disclaimer I read the first 3 books. This season surpassed my knowledge from the books as it dealt a lot of Book 4. As far as I can remember from 10 years ago when I read them, there is only one big reveal in the first 3 books that has not been exposed in the show and it doesn't concern my theory at all.

So, with that disclosure here is my theory, which is based on more TV knowledge than book knowledge. I'm so sure that I'm mostly right that I encourage you not to read it if you want to avoid spoilers, even though I have no actual knowledge that I am.

I believe that Jon Snow is actually the child of Robert. Ned just came back from the South with him. No explanation of the mother and Ned never talked about her. Knowing how honorable Ned is, I doubt he really cheated on his wife and that he was actually preventing the child. This is strengthened by the way the show plays up Jon's hair - curly, black mane - exactly what they said all Baratheons have. We also know that Robert loved Ned's sister. I suspect that he got her pregnant and she never told him. Ned, to protect his sister's honor and not abandon the child of his sister and his best friend took the kid and called him his own ******* Jon marrying Daenerys would satisfy the royal lineage issues and tie things up with a nice neat bow - except for that whole Night's Watch thing.
Again, none of that knowledge is directly from the books. Just my observations from the show and a long history of being able to intuit where plots are headed.
Seems an appropriate time to bring this up

 
Also, I hope you jerks are starting to respect Stannis. He is the rightful king. Tommen needs to step down.
Well, actually whomever marries Daenerys Targaryen is the rightful king. Robert Baratheon usurped the Throne, but the true, rightful heir is Daenerys.
I have a theory on this that I'm sure is right. As a disclaimer I read the first 3 books. This season surpassed my knowledge from the books as it dealt a lot of Book 4. As far as I can remember from 10 years ago when I read them, there is only one big reveal in the first 3 books that has not been exposed in the show and it doesn't concern my theory at all.

So, with that disclosure here is my theory, which is based on more TV knowledge than book knowledge. I'm so sure that I'm mostly right that I encourage you not to read it if you want to avoid spoilers, even though I have no actual knowledge that I am.

I believe that Jon Snow is actually the child of Robert. Ned just came back from the South with him. No explanation of the mother and Ned never talked about her. Knowing how honorable Ned is, I doubt he really cheated on his wife and that he was actually preventing the child. This is strengthened by the way the show plays up Jon's hair - curly, black mane - exactly what they said all Baratheons have. We also know that Robert loved Ned's sister. I suspect that he got her pregnant and she never told him. Ned, to protect his sister's honor and not abandon the child of his sister and his best friend took the kid and called him his own ******* Jon marrying Daenerys would satisfy the royal lineage issues and tie things up with a nice neat bow - except for that whole Night's Watch thing.
Again, none of that knowledge is directly from the books. Just my observations from the show and a long history of being able to intuit where plots are headed.
Seems an appropriate time to bring this up
Not bad, but I think we might have had a few more cues, if that were the case. Easily could have missed them though.

I'm sticking with the current working theory in this thread but that's pretty good too.

 
Also, I hope you jerks are starting to respect Stannis. He is the rightful king. Tommen needs to step down.
Well, actually whomever marries Daenerys Targaryen is the rightful king. Robert Baratheon usurped the Throne, but the true, rightful heir is Daenerys.
I have a theory on this that I'm sure is right. As a disclaimer I read the first 3 books. This season surpassed my knowledge from the books as it dealt a lot of Book 4. As far as I can remember from 10 years ago when I read them, there is only one big reveal in the first 3 books that has not been exposed in the show and it doesn't concern my theory at all.

So, with that disclosure here is my theory, which is based on more TV knowledge than book knowledge. I'm so sure that I'm mostly right that I encourage you not to read it if you want to avoid spoilers, even though I have no actual knowledge that I am.

I believe that Jon Snow is actually the child of Robert. Ned just came back from the South with him. No explanation of the mother and Ned never talked about her. Knowing how honorable Ned is, I doubt he really cheated on his wife and that he was actually preventing the child. This is strengthened by the way the show plays up Jon's hair - curly, black mane - exactly what they said all Baratheons have. We also know that Robert loved Ned's sister. I suspect that he got her pregnant and she never told him. Ned, to protect his sister's honor and not abandon the child of his sister and his best friend took the kid and called him his own ******* Jon marrying Daenerys would satisfy the royal lineage issues and tie things up with a nice neat bow - except for that whole Night's Watch thing.
Again, none of that knowledge is directly from the books. Just my observations from the show and a long history of being able to intuit where plots are headed.
Seems an appropriate time to bring this up
So, still Lyanna's son but Robert is the father. Why the need to hide it though? Robert had tons of bastards. The only explanation I can think of is that Ned was protecting Lyanna's honor because they were not wed but that seems thin to me. If Lyanna was not the mother then again- why?

Interesting theory but I still think Rhaegar is the father.

 
Also, I hope you jerks are starting to respect Stannis. He is the rightful king. Tommen needs to step down.
Well, actually whomever marries Daenerys Targaryen is the rightful king. Robert Baratheon usurped the Throne, but the true, rightful heir is Daenerys.
I have a theory on this that I'm sure is right. As a disclaimer I read the first 3 books. This season surpassed my knowledge from the books as it dealt a lot of Book 4. As far as I can remember from 10 years ago when I read them, there is only one big reveal in the first 3 books that has not been exposed in the show and it doesn't concern my theory at all.

So, with that disclosure here is my theory, which is based on more TV knowledge than book knowledge. I'm so sure that I'm mostly right that I encourage you not to read it if you want to avoid spoilers, even though I have no actual knowledge that I am.

I believe that Jon Snow is actually the child of Robert. Ned just came back from the South with him. No explanation of the mother and Ned never talked about her. Knowing how honorable Ned is, I doubt he really cheated on his wife and that he was actually preventing the child. This is strengthened by the way the show plays up Jon's hair - curly, black mane - exactly what they said all Baratheons have. We also know that Robert loved Ned's sister. I suspect that he got her pregnant and she never told him. Ned, to protect his sister's honor and not abandon the child of his sister and his best friend took the kid and called him his own ******* Jon marrying Daenerys would satisfy the royal lineage issues and tie things up with a nice neat bow - except for that whole Night's Watch thing.
Again, none of that knowledge is directly from the books. Just my observations from the show and a long history of being able to intuit where plots are headed.
Seems an appropriate time to bring this up
So, still Lyanna's son but Robert is the father. Why the need to hide it though? Robert had tons of bastards. The only explanation I can think of is that Ned was protecting Lyanna's honor because they were not wed but that seems thin to me. If Lyanna was not the mother then again- why?

Interesting theory but I still think Rhaegar is the father.
This is not spoiler stuff though cause it is all speculation... right? DAMMIT- the rules are so complicated and I am not a book reader! No wonder why those jerks hate us.

 
It actually makes a little more sense IF we're thinking that Jon will marry Danys down the line. No need for Jon to have Targaryan blood.

 
It actually makes a little more sense IF we're thinking that Jon will marry Danys down the line. No need for Jon to have Targaryan blood.
Not really considering the long Targaryan history of incest. And this is not brother and sister but what..... second cousins?

 
Also, I hope you jerks are starting to respect Stannis. He is the rightful king. Tommen needs to step down.
Well, actually whomever marries Daenerys Targaryen is the rightful king. Robert Baratheon usurped the Throne, but the true, rightful heir is Daenerys.
I have a theory on this that I'm sure is right. As a disclaimer I read the first 3 books. This season surpassed my knowledge from the books as it dealt a lot of Book 4. As far as I can remember from 10 years ago when I read them, there is only one big reveal in the first 3 books that has not been exposed in the show and it doesn't concern my theory at all.

So, with that disclosure here is my theory, which is based on more TV knowledge than book knowledge. I'm so sure that I'm mostly right that I encourage you not to read it if you want to avoid spoilers, even though I have no actual knowledge that I am.

I believe that Jon Snow is actually the child of Robert. Ned just came back from the South with him. No explanation of the mother and Ned never talked about her. Knowing how honorable Ned is, I doubt he really cheated on his wife and that he was actually preventing the child. This is strengthened by the way the show plays up Jon's hair - curly, black mane - exactly what they said all Baratheons have. We also know that Robert loved Ned's sister. I suspect that he got her pregnant and she never told him. Ned, to protect his sister's honor and not abandon the child of his sister and his best friend took the kid and called him his own ******* Jon marrying Daenerys would satisfy the royal lineage issues and tie things up with a nice neat bow - except for that whole Night's Watch thing.
Again, none of that knowledge is directly from the books. Just my observations from the show and a long history of being able to intuit where plots are headed.
Seems an appropriate time to bring this up
So, still Lyanna's son but Robert is the father. Why the need to hide it though? Robert had tons of bastards. The only explanation I can think of is that Ned was protecting Lyanna's honor because they were not wed but that seems thin to me. If Lyanna was not the mother then again- why?

Interesting theory but I still think Rhaegar is the father.
This is not spoiler stuff though cause it is all speculation... right? DAMMIT- the rules are so complicated and I am not a book reader! No wonder why those jerks hate us.
Yeah - I just spoilered last year because nobody was really talking about it. At this point it can be discussed more openly I suppose.

I think it's all about the hair. They made a POINT several times about saying how Robert's children all had dark black, full hair just like they've made a POINT of saying that the Targaryen's all have silver hair.

Probably, Ned thought Jon was the ******* of Rhaegar and didn't realize Robert had actually knocked her up first.

 
It actually makes a little more sense IF we're thinking that Jon will marry Danys down the line. No need for Jon to have Targaryan blood.
Not really considering the long Targaryan history of incest. And this is not brother and sister but what..... second cousins?
I get that it wouldn't prevent them getting married but what would be the benefit of Jon having Targaryan blood if he were to marry her?

 
Also, I hope you jerks are starting to respect Stannis. He is the rightful king. Tommen needs to step down.
Well, actually whomever marries Daenerys Targaryen is the rightful king. Robert Baratheon usurped the Throne, but the true, rightful heir is Daenerys.
I have a theory on this that I'm sure is right. As a disclaimer I read the first 3 books. This season surpassed my knowledge from the books as it dealt a lot of Book 4. As far as I can remember from 10 years ago when I read them, there is only one big reveal in the first 3 books that has not been exposed in the show and it doesn't concern my theory at all.

So, with that disclosure here is my theory, which is based on more TV knowledge than book knowledge. I'm so sure that I'm mostly right that I encourage you not to read it if you want to avoid spoilers, even though I have no actual knowledge that I am.

I believe that Jon Snow is actually the child of Robert. Ned just came back from the South with him. No explanation of the mother and Ned never talked about her. Knowing how honorable Ned is, I doubt he really cheated on his wife and that he was actually preventing the child. This is strengthened by the way the show plays up Jon's hair - curly, black mane - exactly what they said all Baratheons have. We also know that Robert loved Ned's sister. I suspect that he got her pregnant and she never told him. Ned, to protect his sister's honor and not abandon the child of his sister and his best friend took the kid and called him his own ******* Jon marrying Daenerys would satisfy the royal lineage issues and tie things up with a nice neat bow - except for that whole Night's Watch thing.
Again, none of that knowledge is directly from the books. Just my observations from the show and a long history of being able to intuit where plots are headed.
Seems an appropriate time to bring this up
So, still Lyanna's son but Robert is the father. Why the need to hide it though? Robert had tons of bastards. The only explanation I can think of is that Ned was protecting Lyanna's honor because they were not wed but that seems thin to me. If Lyanna was not the mother then again- why?

Interesting theory but I still think Rhaegar is the father.
This is not spoiler stuff though cause it is all speculation... right? DAMMIT- the rules are so complicated and I am not a book reader! No wonder why those jerks hate us.
Yeah - I just spoilered last year because nobody was really talking about it. At this point it can be discussed more openly I suppose.

I think it's all about the hair. They made a POINT several times about saying how Robert's children all had dark black, full hair just like they've made a POINT of saying that the Targaryen's all have silver hair.

Probably, Ned thought Jon was the ******* of Rhaegar and didn't realize Robert had actually knocked her up first.
I guess that is pretty plausible.... but now who would know the truth? Almost no one would know Ned was not the father.... not even Cat!

Well, obviously Littlefinger somehow knows something. So, I guess why wouldnt he know it all? But if so- wouldnt Littlefinger be all over Jon (either using him or trying to kill him) as he would be the key to the throne?

 
It actually makes a little more sense IF we're thinking that Jon will marry Danys down the line. No need for Jon to have Targaryan blood.
Not really considering the long Targaryan history of incest. And this is not brother and sister but what..... second cousins?
I get that it wouldn't prevent them getting married but what would be the benefit of Jon having Targaryan blood if he were to marry her?
He wouldnt need to marry her.......... or are you linking that to the prophecy idea?

 
It actually makes a little more sense IF we're thinking that Jon will marry Danys down the line. No need for Jon to have Targaryan blood.
Not really considering the long Targaryan history of incest. And this is not brother and sister but what..... second cousins?
I get that it wouldn't prevent them getting married but what would be the benefit of Jon having Targaryan blood if he were to marry her?
He wouldnt need to marry her.......... or are you linking that to the prophecy idea?
That's what I mean. It's only important if we think that's what going to happen.

Which would be better, having Targaryan/Stark blood or Baratheon/Stark blood? If he is going to marry Danys, I'd say the latter. If not, maybe the former.

 
I guess he's still a Snow no matter what.

Hmmm, Stannis trying to legitimize Jon takes on a different look if Robert is the father. Making him Jon Baratheon.

Liking this a little more.

 
Also, I hope you jerks are starting to respect Stannis. He is the rightful king. Tommen needs to step down.
Well, actually whomever marries Daenerys Targaryen is the rightful king. Robert Baratheon usurped the Throne, but the true, rightful heir is Daenerys.
I have a theory on this that I'm sure is right. As a disclaimer I read the first 3 books. This season surpassed my knowledge from the books as it dealt a lot of Book 4. As far as I can remember from 10 years ago when I read them, there is only one big reveal in the first 3 books that has not been exposed in the show and it doesn't concern my theory at all.

So, with that disclosure here is my theory, which is based on more TV knowledge than book knowledge. I'm so sure that I'm mostly right that I encourage you not to read it if you want to avoid spoilers, even though I have no actual knowledge that I am.

I believe that Jon Snow is actually the child of Robert. Ned just came back from the South with him. No explanation of the mother and Ned never talked about her. Knowing how honorable Ned is, I doubt he really cheated on his wife and that he was actually preventing the child. This is strengthened by the way the show plays up Jon's hair - curly, black mane - exactly what they said all Baratheons have. We also know that Robert loved Ned's sister. I suspect that he got her pregnant and she never told him. Ned, to protect his sister's honor and not abandon the child of his sister and his best friend took the kid and called him his own ******* Jon marrying Daenerys would satisfy the royal lineage issues and tie things up with a nice neat bow - except for that whole Night's Watch thing.
Again, none of that knowledge is directly from the books. Just my observations from the show and a long history of being able to intuit where plots are headed.
Seems an appropriate time to bring this up
So, still Lyanna's son but Robert is the father. Why the need to hide it though? Robert had tons of bastards. The only explanation I can think of is that Ned was protecting Lyanna's honor because they were not wed but that seems thin to me. If Lyanna was not the mother then again- why?

Interesting theory but I still think Rhaegar is the father.
This is not spoiler stuff though cause it is all speculation... right? DAMMIT- the rules are so complicated and I am not a book reader! No wonder why those jerks hate us.
Yeah - I just spoilered last year because nobody was really talking about it. At this point it can be discussed more openly I suppose.

I think it's all about the hair. They made a POINT several times about saying how Robert's children all had dark black, full hair just like they've made a POINT of saying that the Targaryen's all have silver hair.

Probably, Ned thought Jon was the ******* of Rhaegar and didn't realize Robert had actually knocked her up first.
that lyanna liked to party.

 
Targaryan blood might help when/if he has to deal with the dragons. Can't he enter the minds of beast?
One thing we do know from the show is that Jon is not a dragon in the way Danaerys is - he has been burned by fire (when he saved Mormont from the zombie back in season 1).

 
I guess he's still a Snow no matter what.

Hmmm, Stannis trying to legitimize Jon takes on a different look if Robert is the father. Making him Jon Baratheon.

Liking this a little more.
The offer was to be a Stark and rule the North for Stannis. Also, let's remember that Stannis has no love for the ******* children of Robert. He is more likely to want to have the Red Woman get his blood for the black magic than he is to legitimize him. I think Stannis suspects that there is something about Jon other than actually being Ned's ******* but really does not know what that is. Littlefinger on the hand, his smirk and facial expression when Sansa says Rhaegar raped and killed Lyanna makes me think he may actually know the real story and be the key to having the truth come out at a later time.

 
I guess he's still a Snow no matter what.

Hmmm, Stannis trying to legitimize Jon takes on a different look if Robert is the father. Making him Jon Baratheon.

Liking this a little more.
The offer was to be a Stark and rule the North for Stannis. Also, let's remember that Stannis has no love for the ******* children of Robert. He is more likely to want to have the Red Woman get his blood for the black magic than he is to legitimize him. I think Stannis suspects that there is something about Jon other than actually being Ned's ******* but really does not know what that is. Littlefinger on the hand, his smirk and facial expression when Sansa says Rhaegar raped and killed Lyanna makes me think he may actually know the real story and be the key to having the truth come out at a later time.
I wonder how Littlefinger would know that.

 
I guess he's still a Snow no matter what.

Hmmm, Stannis trying to legitimize Jon takes on a different look if Robert is the father. Making him Jon Baratheon.

Liking this a little more.
The offer was to be a Stark and rule the North for Stannis. Also, let's remember that Stannis has no love for the ******* children of Robert. He is more likely to want to have the Red Woman get his blood for the black magic than he is to legitimize him. I think Stannis suspects that there is something about Jon other than actually being Ned's ******* but really does not know what that is. Littlefinger on the hand, his smirk and facial expression when Sansa says Rhaegar raped and killed Lyanna makes me think he may actually know the real story and be the key to having the truth come out at a later time.
I wonder how Littlefinger would know that.
No idea but I watched that scene several times and there is no way that they way he reacts means anything other than he knows something or in the very least thinks he knows something.

 
Just to tip the scales to positivity for Timmy:

- love Bronn great decision to send him off with Jamie

- great scene with them and Jamie saying he will split Tyrion in two when he sees him

- i really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter.

- loved the staredown that the red woman gave stannis' wife

- speaking of the red woman :shock:

- i loved that Arya is getting someone on her list shipped to her on a platter.

- i really liked the crypt scene. Ok, minus the creeper kiss.

- Interested to see what Cersei wants of Littlefinger (if he is really heading back there).
Fantastic scene

 
The only interesting person on Arya's list (Cersei) is probably going to die long before she has a chance to get to her. She's going through all this trouble to become an assassin and by the time she gets back everyone will already be dead.
Yea, it was funny because when she was in front of the House of Black and White going through her list I was thinking "Wow, the list has gotten real short and she only killed one person on it" + the other that would have been if she knew his name. She better get a move on or that list will be useless by another couple of episodes!
But in order to become a Faceless Man, she must become 'No One.' She must let go of Arya, meaning she needs to let go of her list.

Having said that, the show writers are delivering Meryn Trant right to her, so I still think we're going to get that payoff.
Do you mean like she let go of her sword?

 
Man, I need to go rewatch the sand snakes scene again. I don't remember it being nearly as bad as is being said in here.
If felt really chopped. They didn't build much of a relationship between them all or the woman, nor were they given any real personalities.
It felt forced to me. It felt like they needed to introduce the Sand Snakes and that is what they came up with rather than being something that flowed well with the story.
:goodposting:

A really poorly conceived and written scene. There were a couple others like that last night, just plain exposition that felt forced.
The dwarf figuring out who Jorah was after asking him like two questions was kinda dumb too.
Didn't he also see his armor?

 
I'm convinced that L. Finger is a good guy. Sure, he settled a couple of beefs with the Starks over losing out on Cat when he was younger......but in the end, he really seems to be sticking it to the nobles. Finger is the ultimate bootstrap capitalist.
You must be the only person in the world watching this series convinced that Littlefinger is a good guy.
Even Littlefinger doesn't think Littlefinger is a good guy.
Right. He's "good" when the situation calls for it and "bad" when the situation calls for it. And what a situation calls for is whatever is in his best interests.

 
So I guess Varys tipped off Jorah on where Tyrion will be?
I think it was just a chance happening.Not sure what the benefit of Tyrion getting to Dany as a prisoner with Jorah vs willingly with Varys.
Because it seemingly helps Jorah which in turn might help Varys in the future.
I get Jorah was feeding Varys info, just doesn't seem like something Varys would do- pinning his hopes on someone that Dany is pissed at. He wants to get Dany and Tyrion together.
Isn't it more ridiculous to assume Varys and Jorah ended up in the same bar by chance?
Didn't Tyrion essentially drag Varys into the brothel?
Varys is one smart mother. He knew exactly where Tyrion would want to go after being in that box.

 

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