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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (5 Viewers)

The best thing about that episode was it came out of nowhere. We had 7 episodes building up to a bunch of stuff and not one of the things being built up to was a battle with the white walkers.
sam giving jon the dragonglass last week was an awfully big hint that something was coming involving white walkers.
i dunno always good to be prepared. I just don't think anyone expected a massive battle with them last night. It came 40 minutes into the episode. Maybe it was just me. I was blown away and can't wait to watch it again.
 
The best thing about that episode was it came out of nowhere. We had 7 episodes building up to a bunch of stuff and not one of the things being built up to was a battle with the white walkers.
I agree. And now we got all of ep9 for all hell to break loose at winterfell and Kings Landing.

Imp got to Danny so I don't see anything else major happening unless it's unexpected.

Kind of struggling to see what the end game is in Dorne.

 
I can visualize and readily comprehend how the dragons can/will be used... but what is Bran going to do- get in the head of a dragon?

 
The best thing about that episode was it came out of nowhere. We had 7 episodes building up to a bunch of stuff and not one of the things being built up to was a battle with the white walkers.
I agree. And now we got all of ep9 for all hell to break loose at winterfell and Kings Landing.

Imp got to Danny so I don't see anything else major happening unless it's unexpected.

Kind of struggling to see what the end game is in Dorne.
agree with everything you just wrote, especially the bolded. had the same thought last night- we've got big battles with lots of series end-game ramifications... and some assassin training montage.

eta: oops- mixed up Dorne with Arya's story. Agree about Dorne too. Jamie gets killed. Jamie doesn't get killed. we see those boobs again, we don't see the boobs agian.

 
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P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.

 
The best thing about that episode was it came out of nowhere. We had 7 episodes building up to a bunch of stuff and not one of the things being built up to was a battle with the white walkers.
sam giving jon the dragonglass last week was an awfully big hint that something was coming involving white walkers.
Don't be so hard on shadyridr, he is slow at times on picking up things.

 
Yeah i thought it was funny that Sam was like don't worry jon snow always comes back. Like Olly gives two flying ducks about jon snow. Hoping this is not gonna be another Omar moment

 
Nah I think arya's story is coming together nicely. I think "a girl" goes to avenge the family and she either bumps into Merrin and has to make a choice. One way or the other she's on her way to whatever is next for her. There is no end game for her this season except for her transformation into a killer.

I have no idea what's happening in the south at all.

 
I can visualize and readily comprehend how the dragons can/will be used... but what is Bran going to do- get in the head of a dragon?
I believe that would be it. In the future memory montage he had there was a shot of flying over a city (Kings Landing?) with the shadow of a dragon seen.

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
Kid definitely has a role to play- but might be to help let Jon in, since the old-guy replacement head commander is a bit of a cartoonish revenge plot device and probably won't let them back in.

also- time to start building canals/moats... army of the cats undead doesn't seem to like getting wet.

and where the hell is that giant going?

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
Kid definitely has a role to play- but might be to help let Jon in, since the old-guy replacement head commander is a bit of a cartoonish revenge plot device and probably won't let them back in.

also- time to start building canals/moats... army of the cats undead doesn't seem to like getting wet.

and where the hell is that giant going?
why would they sail to the wall side? Id sail to the castle black side, sheesh

 
I can visualize and readily comprehend how the dragons can/will be used... but what is Bran going to do- get in the head of a dragon?
I believe that would be it. In the future memory montage he had there was a shot of flying over a city (Kings Landing?) with the shadow of a dragon seen.
nice memory there!
Thanks. I seem to remember really important stuff in life like a scene in GoT and not as much for other things. :loco:

And considering how Dany has had trouble 'controlling' the Dragons, this might be the explanation on how to get the Dragons to actually go kill White Walkers rather than whatever else they feel like doing.

 
That giant isn't going to be able to fit on a boat. I wonder if they will turn him into a white walker giant.

 
I can visualize and readily comprehend how the dragons can/will be used... but what is Bran going to do- get in the head of a dragon?
I believe that would be it. In the future memory montage he had there was a shot of flying over a city (Kings Landing?) with the shadow of a dragon seen.
nice memory there!
Thanks. I seem to remember really important stuff in life like a scene in GoT and not as much for other things. :loco:

And considering how Dany has had trouble 'controlling' the Dragons, this might be the explanation on how to get the Dragons to actually go kill White Walkers rather than whatever else they feel like doing.
and considering the alpha dragon is already migrating somewhere- we might even see this sooner than later.

lol- I just remembered some cultural esoterica with the wife where she looked at my completely shocked at how I could remember it. that was yesterday. today, I can't remember what it was that I remembered.

 
Great episode. There are 3 episodes that have left me in a "Wow" state: Blackwater, Red Wedding, & this last one.

Love the Tyrion/ Dany tandem. They make a great team, gonna be a lot of fun to see that partnership unfold.

Dorne just seems completly disconnected from everything else. Hopefully they can wrap that in & put that story line out of it's misery.

Nice to see some urgency in the WW story line. If they don't get those Dragons to Westeros soon, everyone is gonna have glowing blue eyes. How many wildlings were supposed to have been added to that new army of the dead? Redbeard mentioned like 5K getting to the boats (or at least being in line to go). Lot of destructive power there - better hope they don't learn how to swim or sail.

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
Kid definitely has a role to play- but might be to help let Jon in, since the old-guy replacement head commander is a bit of a cartoonish revenge plot device and probably won't let them back in.

also- time to start building canals/moats... army of the cats undead doesn't seem to like getting wet.

and where the hell is that giant going?
why would they sail to the wall side? Id sail to the castle black side, sheesh
Was thinking this same thing.

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
Kid definitely has a role to play- but might be to help let Jon in, since the old-guy replacement head commander is a bit of a cartoonish revenge plot device and probably won't let them back in.

also- time to start building canals/moats... army of the cats undead doesn't seem to like getting wet.

and where the hell is that giant going?
In the North with Winter Coming a canal/moat would end up being a skating rink. Not sure that will bother them as much.

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
I think there are more than we know of, but I don't think dragon glass is in high supply.

Also, the dumb kid IMHO will be the one that let's the wildings in when the #2 decides to not let John and his crew in. I don't think he will accidentally let in the WWs.

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
Kid definitely has a role to play- but might be to help let Jon in, since the old-guy replacement head commander is a bit of a cartoonish revenge plot device and probably won't let them back in.

also- time to start building canals/moats... army of the cats undead doesn't seem to like getting wet.

and where the hell is that giant going?
In the North with Winter Coming a canal/moat would end up being a skating rink. Not sure that will bother them as much.
good and :doh: obvious point.

also good point, whoever, about sailing to the right side of the wall.

 
Yeah i thought it was funny that Sam was like don't worry jon snow always comes back. Like Olly gives two flying ducks about jon snow. Hoping this is not gonna be another Omar moment
The past two episodes had a chance for somebody to tell that little brat that Jon forgave him for killing his wildling girl and the brat should understand that the windings are necessary.

We all are leaning towards Jon being the one true king so im not sure he gets snuffed out (yet).

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
Kid definitely has a role to play- but might be to help let Jon in, since the old-guy replacement head commander is a bit of a cartoonish revenge plot device and probably won't let them back in.

also- time to start building canals/moats... army of the cats undead doesn't seem to like getting wet.

and where the hell is that giant going?
In the North with Winter Coming a canal/moat would end up being a skating rink. Not sure that will bother them as much.
good and :doh: obvious point.

also good point, whoever, about sailing to the right side of the wall.
They really need to get one dude around the wall, and he could presumably FSU enough to break it open for the rest of the crew, right?

Would be great if they had a Super Trampoline that bounced White Walkers over.

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
Kid definitely has a role to play- but might be to help let Jon in, since the old-guy replacement head commander is a bit of a cartoonish revenge plot device and probably won't let them back in.

also- time to start building canals/moats... army of the cats undead doesn't seem to like getting wet.

and where the hell is that giant going?
why would they sail to the wall side? Id sail to the castle black side, sheesh
Was thinking this same thing.
LOL, I wasn't even thinking about that. That really is going to be a tough one to explain because I am pretty sure they are going to do that. Didn't the wilding guy already ask John if they would let them through once they got there?

 
I can visualize and readily comprehend how the dragons can/will be used... but what is Bran going to do- get in the head of a dragon?
Daenerys has shown she doesn't have control of the dragons. If the dragons are meant to be a big part of a solution, they would need some way to control them. So it would be an obvious fit.

 
P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
I think there are more than we know of, but I don't think dragon glass is in high supply.

Also, the dumb kid IMHO will be the one that let's the wildings in when the #2 decides to not let John and his crew in. I don't think he will accidentally let in the WWs.
Someone (think it was Sam in the library) showed Stannis the dragon glass and told him it killed a white walker. Stannis replied there is dragon glass at Storm's End DragonStone, his castle.

 
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P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
Kid definitely has a role to play- but might be to help let Jon in, since the old-guy replacement head commander is a bit of a cartoonish revenge plot device and probably won't let them back in.

also- time to start building canals/moats... army of the cats undead doesn't seem to like getting wet.

and where the hell is that giant going?
why would they sail to the wall side? Id sail to the castle black side, sheesh
Was thinking this same thing.
LOL, I wasn't even thinking about that. That really is going to be a tough one to explain because I am pretty sure they are going to do that. Didn't the wilding guy already ask John if they would let them through once they got there?
The only explanation that I can think of that explains why not just sail south far enough around the wall is there may not be a suitable landing site near the wall and going too far south would then be a problem.

 
For those talking about dead Southern kings turning into white walkers, I'd point out the only thing we've seen turned into a white walker was a LIVING baby. And the only thing we've seen dead people do is become animate again. Moving corpses who are not white walkers.

I suppose the writer could decide to let them also turn the dead into white walkers if they wanted, but everything they've shown so far suggests it doesn't work that way.

 
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For those talking about dead Southern kings turning into white walkers, I'd point out the only thing we've seen turned into a white walker was a LIVING baby. And the only thing we've seen dead people do is become animate again. Moving corpses who are not white walkers.

I suppose the writer could decide to let them turn also dead into white walkers if they wanted, but everything they've shown so far suggests it doesn't work that way.
I like this thinking. Last night it seemed like some WWs had more awareness than others, this would explain that.

Out of curiosity, what title would the WW animator have? Is he a warlock?

 
Better use of dragon glass, arrow tips or dust to sprinkle over a battlefield during combat?
Ball bearing shaped dragon glass and catapults. White Walkers finished.
Right. Hoping GRRM threw the humans a bone here and allowed the WWs to be killed on contact by as little as a pebble of dragon glass. Or even better, dust. Sam figures it out and Tinkerbell defeats the WW army.

 
White Walkers: pale-skinned, mummy-looking creatures, the bad guys in charge; seem capable of independent thoughts/actions

Wights: humans that died & were reanimated by the White Walkers, look like undead zombies; seem to be mindless killing machines

That's how I interpret the two.

 
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White Walkers: pale-skinned, mummy-looking creatures, the bad guys in charge; seem capable of independent thoughts/actions

Wights: humans that died & were reanimated by the White Walkers, look like undead zombies; seem to be mindless killing machines

That's how I interpret the two.
This

 
For those talking about dead Southern kings turning into white walkers, I'd point out the only thing we've seen turned into a white walker was a LIVING baby. And the only thing we've seen dead people do is become animate again. Moving corpses who are not white walkers.

I suppose the writer could decide to let them turn also dead into white walkers if they wanted, but everything they've shown so far suggests it doesn't work that way.
I like this thinking. Last night it seemed like some WWs had more awareness than others, this would explain that.

Out of curiosity, what title would the WW animator have? Is he a warlock?
The Others/White Walkers are the re-animators who make the wights (aka zombies) from already dead creatures. It also seems like they can make new Others from babies - which would make what Craster was doing particularly reprehensible. He wasn't just sacrificing his own sons, he was helping create more Others. More at the show wiki.

 
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P Kev's new shtick is a little transparent.

I think the White Walkers are more interesting because they're not just some unthinking force crashing southward, but an actual army with organization/tactics. But they don't really need any supply lines or can be bogged down by the weather like a conventional army, and they can replenish as they go. I guess the 64k question is how they breach the wall, but after that, how many soldiers are they going to net (people killed/zombies created - zombies killed) at/between the Wall and the South? Yikes.

The geographical location of Hardhome would lead one to believe that the WW's came for it specifically, as it's somewhat out of the way on the path to the wall. Unless they're just tracking down the coast.

http://quartermaester.info/
Didn't Sam run into them by the Fist of the First Men a couple seasons ago?
So are they just kind of circulating around north of the wall? Clearing out what they can, but unable to get over/under/around it?

Someone mentioned the dumb kid complaining about the wildlings. It seems telegraphed, but maybe he lets the WW's in the gate to take revenge on the wildlings, not really considering that he's letting the genie out of the bottle.
I think there are more than we know of, but I don't think dragon glass is in high supply.

Also, the dumb kid IMHO will be the one that let's the wildings in when the #2 decides to not let John and his crew in. I don't think he will accidentally let in the WWs.
Someone (think it was Sam in the library) showed Stannis the dragon glass and told him it killed a white walker. Stannis replied there is dragon glass at Storm's End which is his castle.
No. Storm's End went to Renly. Stannis was given DragonStone, the old Targaryen island castle. That's where the dragon glass is.

 
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Yeah i thought it was funny that Sam was like don't worry jon snow always comes back. Like Olly gives two flying ducks about jon snow. Hoping this is not gonna be another Omar moment
I think that kid had his mind changed by Sam.

 
i do not even watch this book but it would it would be awesome if you guys could get jim tom from moonshiners worked in to your story maybe have him make some shine that gets a dragon all tuned up and have the dragon total his cart or whatever and have it be a big gossip thing that ruins the dragons reputation in the nearby hamlet that would be pretty kick butt take that to the bank bromigos

 

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