Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (6 Viewers)

[Spin]

I can buy the harpies taking out the Unsullied. There were tons of them in the stands. It looked like the Unsullied/Dany's guards were crazily out numbered. And as was mentioned tons of times already, their fighting style is side by side, and unless their name is Grey Worm, can't handle fighting multiple people alone. They were winning just about every 1 on 1 battle, but then would get swarmed. I also wasn't bothered by the circle stare down as some seem to be. The Harpies arn't trained warriors, they were desperate men hired by the old rich families. Everyone that ran in got owned by one of Dany's guards. I can see why they were hesitating to be the first that rushed in, allowing for the Dragon to arrive.

I figured the Dragon was coming, and thought it was pretty badass. The spear throwing thing was really the only part that had me questioning that scene. I said to my wife, "why weren't they just throwing the spears at Dany and her guards if they had them the whole time?" And at the end it showed tons of Unsullied in the pit at the end of the flyover. maybe the rest of her army finally got there and just cleaned the harpies out. I do wish they would have shown this though. The Unsullied rushing the pit and slaughtering all the Harpies as a group. Would have definitely redeemed them as the badass army they're supposed to be.

 

[Chadstroma]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Well, he's killing them for falling down on guard duty for one thing.

if Stannis wins in battle none of this will matter. Winning solves everything.Of course if he fails again as he did at Blackwater, that's probably the end for him.

My point (which I deleted since others had already made it), was in response to your assertion that Stannis' soldiers weren't being ill-treated. He has them suffering and starving in the snow, and is torturing and killing them.

If they had any doubts about the Lord Of Light, you would assume that when the weather changes they would be gone. You know it is getting drilled into their heads. Even as a viewer, the LOL is the only "God" that has shown some type of reward for believers.

I don't think this is a laughing matter.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

It was the manner in which it was shot. They waited for a hopeless situation and then slowed it down (her closing her eyes) for the money shot of the dragon popping in. If it had been more random (he showed up earlier) or they didn't have them in such a hopeless situation....it might have surprised more people.

was the closing of the eyes somehow her trying to contact him? or something

I'm not sure. I kind of thought it, but that kind of goes against the idea that she couldn't control him.

I was thinking more like aquaman telepathy.

 

[Chadstroma]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

Any time someone has to fight someone else and there's not snow/Snow around, this show completely falls to ####.

mountain vs red viper

Blackwater

 

[Buckychudd]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Well, he's killing them for falling down on guard duty for one thing.

if Stannis wins in battle none of this will matter. Winning solves everything.Of course if he fails again as he did at Blackwater, that's probably the end for him.

My point (which I deleted since others had already made it), was in response to your assertion that Stannis' soldiers weren't being ill-treated. He has them suffering and starving in the snow, and is torturing and killing them.

If they had any doubts about the Lord Of Light, you would assume that when the weather changes they would be gone. You know it is getting drilled into their heads. Even as a viewer, the LOL is the only "God" that has shown some type of reward for believers.

Many faced god lets his followers change their appearance....

Edit - and the old gods allow warging and the communication through the trees.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Well, he's killing them for falling down on guard duty for one thing.

if Stannis wins in battle none of this will matter. Winning solves everything.Of course if he fails again as he did at Blackwater, that's probably the end for him.

My point (which I deleted since others had already made it), was in response to your assertion that Stannis' soldiers weren't being ill-treated. He has them suffering and starving in the snow, and is torturing and killing them.

If they had any doubts about the Lord Of Light, you would assume that when the weather changes they would be gone. You know it is getting drilled into their heads. Even as a viewer, the LOL is the only "God" that has shown some type of reward for believers.

But do the fighting men know that?

The first instance of the Lord of Light was the ghost baby to kill Renly. Only Davos saw that thing and someone posted above that the blame for the murder was Brienne and Catherine.

The next time she used the power was the leeches on the ******* son of King Robert. One of the names Stannis said was Joffrey, who was poisoned at his wedding and Tyrion was blamed for it. Robb Stark was the second name and he was killed at the Red Wedding by the Frey's, Bolton's and Lannisters and we know two of the three are Stannis' enemy. The third name was Baylon Greyjoy. As far as I know after Theon refused to go home he has never been mentioned in the story again so he is probably still alive.

So, for all the viewer has seen, the men fighting with Stannis haven't seen anything except their king burn his own daughter alive in front of them and lose one massive battle, have his camp almost burned down and he is bogged in the snow. If the the snow lessens next episode maybe the see the sacrifice for what it was, but I don't know if we can assume they know about the other deaths given that the spells were done in secret and the deaths happened so far away and were blamed on others that is turning the countryside upside down.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Maybe they didn't throw spears at Dany because they didn't want to kill her? Maybe they just wanted to capture her...and perhaps control the dragons through her.

 

[Harry Manback]

I can buy the harpies taking out the Unsullied. There were tons of them in the stands. It looked like the Unsullied/Dany's guards were crazily out numbered. And as was mentioned tons of times already, their fighting style is side by side, and unless their name is Grey Worm, can't handle fighting multiple people alone. They were winning just about every 1 on 1 battle, but then would get swarmed. I also wasn't bothered by the circle stare down as some seem to be. The Harpies arn't trained warriors, they were desperate men hired by the old rich families. Everyone that ran in got owned by one of Dany's guards. I can see why they were hesitating to be the first that rushed in, allowing for the Dragon to arrive.

I figured the Dragon was coming, and thought it was pretty badass. The spear throwing thing was really the only part that had me questioning that scene. I said to my wife, "why weren't they just throwing the spears at Dany and her guards if they had them the whole time?" And at the end it showed tons of Unsullied in the pit at the end of the flyover. maybe the rest of her army finally got there and just cleaned the harpies out. I do wish they would have shown this though. The Unsullied rushing the pit and slaughtering all the Harpies as a group. Would have definitely redeemed them as the badass army they're supposed to be.

I've also heard the theory that the Harpies are mostly former pit fighters, upset at her new rules. That might explain a bit how they were able to work over "Skilled" unsullied.

Also, the unsullied have been out of practice. Eunuchs/Unsullied tend to get pudgy and soft when they are just bodyguards, and not out killing/fighting on the reg.

 

[kentric]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

At the risk of pulling a Timmy....

They fight more along the lines of the Hopilites of ancient Greece. Think along the lines of a Spartan. (My guess is that Martin took his inspiration for the Unsullied from them) They are a great fighting unit in warfare where they use the tactics of interlocking shields and spear thrusts. In one on one battle and being outnumbered, they are at a disadvantage. You kill one person with a spear it takes time to recover and in that time you can be bum rushed by others.

Couldn't have said it better myself. lol

 

[Chadstroma]

I can buy the harpies taking out the Unsullied. There were tons of them in the stands. It looked like the Unsullied/Dany's guards were crazily out numbered. And as was mentioned tons of times already, their fighting style is side by side, and unless their name is Grey Worm, can't handle fighting multiple people alone. They were winning just about every 1 on 1 battle, but then would get swarmed. I also wasn't bothered by the circle stare down as some seem to be. The Harpies arn't trained warriors, they were desperate men hired by the old rich families. Everyone that ran in got owned by one of Dany's guards. I can see why they were hesitating to be the first that rushed in, allowing for the Dragon to arrive.

I figured the Dragon was coming, and thought it was pretty badass. The spear throwing thing was really the only part that had me questioning that scene. I said to my wife, "why weren't they just throwing the spears at Dany and her guards if they had them the whole time?" And at the end it showed tons of Unsullied in the pit at the end of the flyover. maybe the rest of her army finally got there and just cleaned the harpies out. I do wish they would have shown this though. The Unsullied rushing the pit and slaughtering all the Harpies as a group. Would have definitely redeemed them as the badass army they're supposed to be.

I've also heard the theory that the Harpies are mostly former pit fighters, upset at her new rules. That might explain a bit how they were able to work over "Skilled" unsullied.

Also, the unsullied have been out of practice. Eunuchs/Unsullied tend to get pudgy and soft when they are just bodyguards, and not out killing/fighting on the reg.

Perhaps or more sell swords.

 

[Gr00vus]

Almost feel like I want to pull for the Boltons after Stannis pulled that BS

No ####. She was Shireen. Princess Shireen of the House Baratheon. She was his ####### daughter!

That was worse than Sansa. By a about a billion degrees.

I know it fits with the overall tone of the show, but that scene last night was the hardest scene to watch in the series for me. Once she started screaming I put it on mute.

@Karma - that scene wasn't just about Stannis, it was as much about Mellisandre and her god. The takeaways (and I'm assuming these are major angles the show writers, etc. were aiming for in having this scene) are that Stannis is pretty much damned at this point, Mellisandre is straight up evil and her god isn't one we should be rooting for. It's turning out that straight fire is as bad as, or possibly worse than ice in terms of what the regular humans in Westeros are going to have to deal with. And the likely salvation is some kind of marriage of the two that balances/mellows them out.

 

[mr roboto]

We did GOT thrones basketball draft. How bout a GOT Olympics ? Ill put Jorah in for the the javelin. That was a sweet throw

White walkers in the luge.

 

[kentric]

I can buy the harpies taking out the Unsullied. There were tons of them in the stands. It looked like the Unsullied/Dany's guards were crazily out numbered. And as was mentioned tons of times already, their fighting style is side by side, and unless their name is Grey Worm, can't handle fighting multiple people alone. They were winning just about every 1 on 1 battle, but then would get swarmed. I also wasn't bothered by the circle stare down as some seem to be. The Harpies arn't trained warriors, they were desperate men hired by the old rich families. Everyone that ran in got owned by one of Dany's guards. I can see why they were hesitating to be the first that rushed in, allowing for the Dragon to arrive.

I figured the Dragon was coming, and thought it was pretty badass. The spear throwing thing was really the only part that had me questioning that scene. I said to my wife, "why weren't they just throwing the spears at Dany and her guards if they had them the whole time?" And at the end it showed tons of Unsullied in the pit at the end of the flyover. maybe the rest of her army finally got there and just cleaned the harpies out. I do wish they would have shown this though. The Unsullied rushing the pit and slaughtering all the Harpies as a group. Would have definitely redeemed them as the badass army they're supposed to be.

My guess is that they didn't think/intend to use the spear as a primary weapon. They came in with swords/daggers. Its difficult to believe they came to the arena with spears. More likely, the spears were taken from the Unsullied dead. As the goldfaces backed away from Dany they come across the spears. One guy thinks, "hey, let me throw this at the dragon". He either tells others to use them or they see him use it on the dragon. By that time, they're too far away from Dany to hurl the spear at her.

 

[Drifter]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

It was the manner in which it was shot. They waited for a hopeless situation and then slowed it down (her closing her eyes) for the money shot of the dragon popping in. If it had been more random (he showed up earlier) or they didn't have them in such a hopeless situation....it might have surprised more people.

was the closing of the eyes somehow her trying to contact him? or something

Remains to be seen. Conceivable that the Targaryens used some warg-like ability to control the dragons and she tapped into it there. Maybe Bran will later teach her rather than control the dragons himself as some of us have predicted?

We do know Dany is special to some extent on her own. Fire didn't hurt her even before the dragons were hatched.

Creator comments after the show were that she closed her eyes in resignation to her death but that the Targryen's do have some connection with their dragons that let Drogon know she was in trouble (probably before that moment - the dragon can't teleport - this isn't Dragon Riders of Pern )

 

[El Floppo]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

where are you getting that they're exclusively "field infantry". my only memory is that they're trained to fight from birth...which should give them an advantage over random dudes in masks and robes in any situation... but my memory sucks.

 

[GregR]

Yes, no disagreement the Unsullied probably learn phalanx-like tactics. But it doesn't make sense they wouldn't be trained in additional close quarters combat and have a backup weapon to go with the spear.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

Just because someone repeats something silly several times doesn't mean everyone needs to believe it.

Roman warriors also fought as a group in a Phalanx/Maniple. That doesn't mean that they walked around town getting their butts kicked by every unarmored schmuck wearing a blindfold that they came across.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Pretty sure i could take out members of the unsullied. Just run around behind them and cut their throat.

 

[thecatch]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

Just because someone repeats something silly several times doesn't mean everyone needs to believe it.

Roman warriors also fought as a group in a Phalanx/Maniple. That doesn't mean that they walked around town getting their butts kicked by every unarmored schmuck wearing a blindfold that they came across.

I don't think we have any reason to believe Greek and Roman hoplites were any more effective when ambushed in small numbers and in close quarters than the Unsullied have been. If there was a reference to them being trained as awesome one versus one fighters in the show I'll retract my statement, but I thought they were introduced as soldiers trained to fight in unit and in formation, which is certainly consistent with how they arm themselves in the show (long spears).

 

[dhockster]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

It was the manner in which it was shot. They waited for a hopeless situation and then slowed it down (her closing her eyes) for the money shot of the dragon popping in. If it had been more random (he showed up earlier) or they didn't have them in such a hopeless situation....it might have surprised more people.

was the closing of the eyes somehow her trying to contact him? or something

I'm not sure. I kind of thought it, but that kind of goes against the idea that she couldn't control him.

I was thinking more like aquaman telepathy.

Couldn't have been. I didn't see the ever increasing circles going out from the Queen to the dragon.

 

[belljr]

Danny getting on the dragon was a little Neverending Story

hippleit was more how to train your dragon

 

[Drifter]

Danny getting on the dragon was a little Neverending Story

hippleit was more how to train your dragon

It wasn't just the concept, it was the special effects and the look on her face.

 

[belljr]

True. I can see that.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Shut it down.

 

[Chadstroma]

I can buy the harpies taking out the Unsullied. There were tons of them in the stands. It looked like the Unsullied/Dany's guards were crazily out numbered. And as was mentioned tons of times already, their fighting style is side by side, and unless their name is Grey Worm, can't handle fighting multiple people alone. They were winning just about every 1 on 1 battle, but then would get swarmed. I also wasn't bothered by the circle stare down as some seem to be. The Harpies arn't trained warriors, they were desperate men hired by the old rich families. Everyone that ran in got owned by one of Dany's guards. I can see why they were hesitating to be the first that rushed in, allowing for the Dragon to arrive.

I figured the Dragon was coming, and thought it was pretty badass. The spear throwing thing was really the only part that had me questioning that scene. I said to my wife, "why weren't they just throwing the spears at Dany and her guards if they had them the whole time?" And at the end it showed tons of Unsullied in the pit at the end of the flyover. maybe the rest of her army finally got there and just cleaned the harpies out. I do wish they would have shown this though. The Unsullied rushing the pit and slaughtering all the Harpies as a group. Would have definitely redeemed them as the badass army they're supposed to be.

My guess is that they didn't think/intend to use the spear as a primary weapon. They came in with swords/daggers. Its difficult to believe they came to the arena with spears. More likely, the spears were taken from the Unsullied dead. As the goldfaces backed away from Dany they come across the spears. One guy thinks, "hey, let me throw this at the dragon". He either tells others to use them or they see him use it on the dragon. By that time, they're too far away from Dany to hurl the spear at her.

I kept thinking what moron thinks, "You know, instead of running away from the big Dragon that just toasted my friends and tore a couple of others to shreds... I am going to throw this spear at him and see what happens."

 

[kentric]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

Just because someone repeats something silly several times doesn't mean everyone needs to believe it.

Roman warriors also fought as a group in a Phalanx/Maniple. That doesn't mean that they walked around town getting their butts kicked by every unarmored schmuck wearing a blindfold that they came across.

There's a big difference between fighting with a sword and fighting with a spear. While the Unsullied's spear is shorter than what is typically used in phalanx fighting, they are still a longer range weapon than a sword. A Roman's capacity to fight was weakened when they fought outside a P/M arrangement. There's a reason that the Roman's beat the Spaniard, Frank and Germanic tribes. The tribes fought without cohesion while the Romans fought in tight formations.

 

[kentric]

I can buy the harpies taking out the Unsullied. There were tons of them in the stands. It looked like the Unsullied/Dany's guards were crazily out numbered. And as was mentioned tons of times already, their fighting style is side by side, and unless their name is Grey Worm, can't handle fighting multiple people alone. They were winning just about every 1 on 1 battle, but then would get swarmed. I also wasn't bothered by the circle stare down as some seem to be. The Harpies arn't trained warriors, they were desperate men hired by the old rich families. Everyone that ran in got owned by one of Dany's guards. I can see why they were hesitating to be the first that rushed in, allowing for the Dragon to arrive.

I figured the Dragon was coming, and thought it was pretty badass. The spear throwing thing was really the only part that had me questioning that scene. I said to my wife, "why weren't they just throwing the spears at Dany and her guards if they had them the whole time?" And at the end it showed tons of Unsullied in the pit at the end of the flyover. maybe the rest of her army finally got there and just cleaned the harpies out. I do wish they would have shown this though. The Unsullied rushing the pit and slaughtering all the Harpies as a group. Would have definitely redeemed them as the badass army they're supposed to be.

My guess is that they didn't think/intend to use the spear as a primary weapon. They came in with swords/daggers. Its difficult to believe they came to the arena with spears. More likely, the spears were taken from the Unsullied dead. As the goldfaces backed away from Dany they come across the spears. One guy thinks, "hey, let me throw this at the dragon". He either tells others to use them or they see him use it on the dragon. By that time, they're too far away from Dany to hurl the spear at her.

I kept thinking what moron thinks, "You know, instead of running away from the big Dragon that just toasted my friends and tore a couple of others to shreds... I am going to throw this spear at him and see what happens."

The scene may have been a weak story line, but I thought it was pretty cool visually (seeing the spears hanging on the dragon).

 

[the moops]

phalanx fighting?

maniple?

hoplites?

WTF are you nerds talking about?

 

[Gr00vus]

So it was interesting to learn that Homer J == Meryn Trant.

 

[stbugs]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

True.

Aren't the troops with him now mercenaries from Bravos? Why would they be loyal? His brother's troops didn't know that Stannis killed his brother, did they? Makes sense that they would follow Stannis, but those guys were lost during the battle at King's Landing. Stannis got his new army from Bravos.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Danny getting on the dragon was a little Neverending Story

hippleit was more how to train your dragon

It wasn't just the concept, it was the special effects and the look on her face.

Exactly. Quite cheesy.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

True.

Aren't the troops with him now mercenaries from Bravos? Why would they be loyal? His brother's troops didn't know that Stannis killed his brother, did they? Makes sense that they would follow Stannis, but those guys were lost during the battle at King's Landing. Stannis got his new army from Bravos.

I thought he just got money from Braavos. And as mentioned above, the blame for Renly's death was at Briene and Catherine so it's not clear if his men know about any of the deaths that Stannis' fire god apparantly caused for him, if any.

 

[the moops]

So it was interesting to learn that Homer J == Meryn Trant.

 

[AcerFC]

The dragon idea was probably cool in theory as they are writing it down, but it didnt come off great for a number of reasons. Still great TV and Ill be back for next week

 

[parrot]

"My Queen, and love of my life, let me offer you my Greyscale-infected hand to help you down from the dais."

 

[stbugs]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

True.

Aren't the troops with him now mercenaries from Bravos? Why would they be loyal? His brother's troops didn't know that Stannis killed his brother, did they? Makes sense that they would follow Stannis, but those guys were lost during the battle at King's Landing. Stannis got his new army from Bravos.

I thought he just got money from Braavos. And as mentioned above, the blame for Renly's death was at Briene and Catherine so it's not clear if his men know about any of the deaths that Stannis' fire god apparantly caused for him, if any.

According to the GOTs wiki, the Iron Bank lent him the money to get mercenaries companies. He lost a ton of his army in the battle at King's Landing, so I think most of the troops he has now that defeated the wildings is not "loyal" to him, but loyal to his gold. That said, they probably get paid at the end, so who knows. I'll just say that I don't think they are thinking too highly of Stannis right now with no food/supplies and a leader that torched his daughter.

 

[stbugs]

The dragon idea was probably cool in theory as they are writing it down, but it didnt come off great for a number of reasons. Still great TV and Ill be back for next week

Honestly, if everyone is going to live, why not just have the dragon do a circle around Dany and torch all the harpies? Do that and you have the same result without the goofy parts. I don't even care about the hesitating to engage all at once as I did about not one person throwing a spear at Dany off and on the dragon. They hit the dragon without much of an issue.

 

[Gr00vus]

The dragon idea was probably cool in theory as they are writing it down, but it didnt come off great for a number of reasons. Still great TV and Ill be back for next week

Honestly, if everyone is going to live, why not just have the dragon do a circle around Dany and torch all the harpies? Do that and you have the same result without the goofy parts. I don't even care about the hesitating to engage all at once as I did about not one person throwing a spear at Dany off and on the dragon. They hit the dragon without much of an issue.

Maybe they wanted to take her alive?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The dragon idea was probably cool in theory as they are writing it down, but it didnt come off great for a number of reasons. Still great TV and Ill be back for next week

Honestly, if everyone is going to live, why not just have the dragon do a circle around Dany and torch all the harpies? Do that and you have the same result without the goofy parts. I don't even care about the hesitating to engage all at once as I did about not one person throwing a spear at Dany off and on the dragon. They hit the dragon without much of an issue.

Maybe they wanted to take her alive?

Doubt it. IF they did there wouldn't have been one guy trying to get close to her. He wasn't doing that to get Tyrion or anyone else there because then he's killing himself for nothing. But if he gets Dany, well, that's the point.

 

[CBusAlex]

A dragon is a slightly bigger target for a spear than a person.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Man RR must be so sick watching the TV show lap the books like this.

 

[Gr00vus]

The dragon idea was probably cool in theory as they are writing it down, but it didnt come off great for a number of reasons. Still great TV and Ill be back for next week

Honestly, if everyone is going to live, why not just have the dragon do a circle around Dany and torch all the harpies? Do that and you have the same result without the goofy parts. I don't even care about the hesitating to engage all at once as I did about not one person throwing a spear at Dany off and on the dragon. They hit the dragon without much of an issue.

Maybe they wanted to take her alive?

Doubt it. IF they did there wouldn't have been one guy trying to get close to her. He wasn't doing that to get Tyrion or anyone else there because then he's killing himself for nothing. But if he gets Dany, well, that's the point.

Can you take another crack at that explanation? I'm not understanding what you've written so well.

 

[Mile High]

Now what with Dany. We get Tyrion and Dany together finally and then she takes off. Is Tyrion now stuck there while Dany Flys around the world? What happens to the other two dragons some how they need to be set free.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The dragon idea was probably cool in theory as they are writing it down, but it didnt come off great for a number of reasons. Still great TV and Ill be back for next week

Honestly, if everyone is going to live, why not just have the dragon do a circle around Dany and torch all the harpies? Do that and you have the same result without the goofy parts. I don't even care about the hesitating to engage all at once as I did about not one person throwing a spear at Dany off and on the dragon. They hit the dragon without much of an issue.

Maybe they wanted to take her alive?

Doubt it. IF they did there wouldn't have been one guy trying to get close to her. He wasn't doing that to get Tyrion or anyone else there because then he's killing himself for nothing. But if he gets Dany, well, that's the point.

Can you take another crack at that explanation? I'm not understanding what you've written so well.

Jorah killed a Harpy advancing on the Queen's chair. The logical explanation is that he was going there to kill the Queen. If he was just trying to kill Tyrion, her soon to be husband, her lover, or the sexy black chick, there is no point to just one guy advancing to do that because the others would kill him instantly for it which makes no sense. If they were trying to capture her then they all should just advance at once like they did after that and hope no dragon shows up. But since it was just one guy, you assume his suicide mission was to kill the Queen because then killing the rest of them doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of whatever followed. None of them are going to assume the throne in her place.

 

[Gr00vus]

But, it wasn't just one guy.

 

[fruity pebbles]

How much for your little clam lol

 

[belljr]

great now they're going to start implementing pat downs and metal detectors outside the arena before the matches. get there early

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Pushing someone else's kid off a ledge is pretty terrible, but I'm not really sure it's quite the same thing as sentencing your innocent daughter to get burned alive in front of her mother and everyone else when all you have to do is say the word and you can save her.

What Jaime did was much worse than what Stannis did.

When Jaime tried to kill a young boy, he did it out of love for Cersei. Love is not the worst reason in the world to do something, but in this case, it was rather selfish.

When Stannis killed his daughter, it was to help him take the Iron throne (which is just as selfish as Jaime's motive if you don't take any of that duty-to-fulfill-destiny stuff seriously), but it was also to help take Winterfell instead of having all of his men die. Taking one life to save a whole bunch of lives isn't quite so evil.

On that subject- why was it necessary to do that? Even if Stannis believed they had to kill her, why not do so in a quick and painless way so that she never has to know her father was responsible and his mother doesn't have to listen to her child's tortured screams?

They burned her at the stake in the quickest, most painless way they could that would satisfy the Lord of Light.

 

[Gr00vus]

So are we thinking Jorah knew there'd be some son of the harpy hijinks at the death games for certain, or was it just a run of the mill I have to be with Danaerys thing?

 

[Chadstroma]

Now what with Dany. We get Tyrion and Dany together finally and then she takes off. Is Tyrion now stuck there while Dany Flys around the world? What happens to the other two dragons some how they need to be set free.

I don't think she is just leaving Mereen.