Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)

[flapgreen]

Was disappointed in Jorah as well. I really thought he was good. He's a broken down old man.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Barristan should have never been killed off. Him dying accomplished nothing. He's the perfect character to guard the Queen and lead her army. Now they all look foolish.

Looks like he was killed off to make room for Tyrion. Agree she has no one to lead her army.

Tyrion/Barristan would've had some memorable exchanges. It's a shame.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Was disappointed in Jorah as well. I really thought he was good. He's a broken down old man.

He's really good at getting cut.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

man, #### Stannis. that was tough to watch (and hear).

I think we can all agree he's not the chosen one, so I doubt that sacrifice will even help him in the long run. he's too much of a hack to be the chosen one, and I doubt the chosen one would get #####-whipped so easily. I hope when the time comes, Davos gets to be the one who to jam a dagger in his throat. punk.

 

[Mile High]

Was disappointed in Jorah as well. I really thought he was good. He's a broken down old man.

He's really good at getting cut.

That roll move has pretty slick.

 

[The General]

As great as this show is, they really need to hire some new combat consultants. Or have the guy who choreographs the fights at/near the Wall do everything else. I'm not hyper-critical about things like that, but a lot of the fights are just really sloppy.

Need some stunt doubles or something. The actors can't put it off.Or get with the guy who did the fight scenes in "The Kingsmen". They somehow made Colin Firth look like Bruce Lee.

 

[The General]

I thought it was clear that Davos knew the girl was going to die.

Disagree. Davos can't shut his mouth about anything. He went to bat for Renly, someone he didn't even know. He was very close with Shireen. There's no way he knows that Stannis is considering burning her alive and doesn't say anything about it.

Right. No way he knew. He would've flipped.

He was pretty particular about trying to take the kid with him when he was given his orders. He knew something was going or was worried for her.

 

[The Captain]

I think Brienne and Davos will be on the same team soon.

 

[flapgreen]

I thought it was clear that Davos knew the girl was going to die.

Disagree. Davos can't shut his mouth about anything. He went to bat for Renly, someone he didn't even know. He was very close with Shireen. There's no way he knows that Stannis is considering burning her alive and doesn't say anything about it.

Right. No way he knew. He would've flipped.

He was pretty particular about trying to take the kid with him when he was given his orders. He knew something was going or was worried for her.

I agree. He was definitely worried. Just not sure he thought she was going to die.

 

[RUSF18]

I thought it was clear that Davos knew the girl was going to die.

Disagree. Davos can't shut his mouth about anything. He went to bat for Renly, someone he didn't even know. He was very close with Shireen. There's no way he knows that Stannis is considering burning her alive and doesn't say anything about it.

Right. No way he knew. He would've flipped.

He was pretty particular about trying to take the kid with him when he was given his orders. He knew something was going or was worried for her.

I agree. He was definitely worried. Just not sure he thought she was going to die.

He also never wanted to take her with them as they prepared to leave Castle Black because he thinks this is a foolish mission given the weather. He was taking another opportunity to take the women back to safety, knowing even more now how unlikely they are to survive.

 

[flapgreen]

Stannis is such a dumb person. King? Yeah right.

 

[Christo]

I thought it was clear that Davos knew the girl was going to die.

Disagree. Davos can't shut his mouth about anything. He went to bat for Renly, someone he didn't even know. He was very close with Shireen. There's no way he knows that Stannis is considering burning her alive and doesn't say anything about it.

Right. No way he knew. He would've flipped.

He was pretty particular about trying to take the kid with him when he was given his orders. He knew something was going or was worried for her.

That's exactly why Stannis sent him on an errand that someone else could perform. So he wouldn't interfere.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Stannis is such a dumb person. King? Yeah right.

There hasn't been a smart king yet in this saga.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

Just because someone repeats something silly several times doesn't mean everyone needs to believe it.

Roman warriors also fought as a group in a Phalanx/Maniple. That doesn't mean that they walked around town getting their butts kicked by every unarmored schmuck wearing a blindfold that they came across.

I don't think we have any reason to believe Greek and Roman hoplites were any more effective when ambushed in small numbers and in close quarters than the Unsullied have been. If there was a reference to them being trained as awesome one versus one fighters in the show I'll retract my statement, but I thought they were introduced as soldiers trained to fight in unit and in formation, which is certainly consistent with how they arm themselves in the show (long spears).

Fine, you win. These guys were trained every day from birth to do nothing else but fight yet that regiment didn't include a day or two here and there to make sure they could take down an unarmored, visually impaired, dagger wielding militia member in single combat.

 

[TenTimes]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Yeah he tried to avert a civil war by throwing Bran out the window.

I don't think that was why.

The things I do for love.

 

[TenTimes]

I may have found more Valyrian steel on the rewatch, the door of the "empty" vault in Qarth.

 

[EYLive]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

Just because someone repeats something silly several times doesn't mean everyone needs to believe it.

Roman warriors also fought as a group in a Phalanx/Maniple. That doesn't mean that they walked around town getting their butts kicked by every unarmored schmuck wearing a blindfold that they came across.

I don't think we have any reason to believe Greek and Roman hoplites were any more effective when ambushed in small numbers and in close quarters than the Unsullied have been. If there was a reference to them being trained as awesome one versus one fighters in the show I'll retract my statement, but I thought they were introduced as soldiers trained to fight in unit and in formation, which is certainly consistent with how they arm themselves in the show (long spears).

Fine, you win. These guys were trained every day from birth to do nothing else but fight yet that regiment didn't include a day or two here and there to make sure they could take down an unarmored, visually impaired, dagger wielding militia member in single combat.

There were civilians everywhere, Patton.

The Sons of the Harpy are basically urban guerrilla terrorists.

 

[tdoss]

So Arya becomes the new young thing on the menu in order to get close enough to kill that guy?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Stannis is such a dumb person. King? Yeah right.

There hasn't been a smart king yet in this saga.

That's a great point. The kings have been mad, a glutton, a sick despot, a feckless boy controlled by his conniving mother.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Stannis is such a dumb person. King? Yeah right.

There hasn't been a smart king yet in this saga.

That's a great point. The kings have been mad, a glutton, a sick despot, a feckless boy controlled by his conniving mother.

really IMO there have only been a few people playing the game of thrones well, Tywin, Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger. everyone else, while having some moments of glory, have been terrible. Like Cersei, it appears she did great especially vs the Starks, but now left on her own without daddy, shes sitting in a cell.

 

[the moops]

Bolton has played pretty well so far.

 

[Thunderlips]

Is it about playing the game, or is it about something more personal; being true to yourself or something along those lines? While Tywin is one of my favorite characters, his inability to live by what he preached (Family, first and foremost) ultimately led to his downfall.

 

[El Floppo]

just rewatched the Season 1 episode where Robert dies and Ned tries to follow his signed wishes to be protectorate. having watched the entire series and knowing what hangs in the balance, that whole episode is brutal.

 

[kentric]

As great as this show is, they really need to hire some new combat consultants. Or have the guy who choreographs the fights at/near the Wall do everything else. I'm not hyper-critical about things like that, but a lot of the fights are just really sloppy.

More cow bell Giant.

 

[bostonfred]

just rewatched the Season 1 episode where Robert dies and Ned tries to follow his signed wishes to be protectorate. having watched the entire series and knowing what hangs in the balance, that whole episode is brutal.

if Ned had lived, littlefinger wouldn't have been able to cause the same kind of chaos. There'd be no negotiating with Ned as protector of the realm, no looming war from the north, no marrying and killing the lady of the vale because ned and Catlyn would have killed him, no marrying Sansa off - none of his schemes work with ned there.

 

[kentric]

Stannis is such a dumb person. King? Yeah right.

There hasn't been a smart king yet in this saga.

That's a great point. The kings have been mad, a glutton, a sick despot, a feckless boy controlled by his conniving mother.

really IMO there have only been a few people playing the game of thrones well, Tywin, Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger. everyone else, while having some moments of glory, have been terrible. Like Cersei, it appears she did great especially vs the Starks, but now left on her own without daddy, shes sitting in a cell.

I would also put Frey in there. Has tons of kids to set up marriages/alliances and has used the bottleneck of his capital/castle to extract agreements.

 

[dhockster]

Did anyone else turn down the volume during the Shireen burning? That was hard to listen to.

 

[Swing 51]

Did anyone else turn down the volume during the Shireen burning? That was hard to listen to.

I turned it up

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Frey/Bolton was all set up by Tywin.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Did anyone else turn down the volume during the Shireen burning? That was hard to listen to.

I tried to convince myself they werent really burning her. Seemed to work, im ok.

 

[Swing 51]

Frey/Bolton was all set up by Tywin.

Hence the Rains of Castamere playing during the red wedding.

 

[El Floppo]

just rewatched the Season 1 episode where Robert dies and Ned tries to follow his signed wishes to be protectorate. having watched the entire series and knowing what hangs in the balance, that whole episode is brutal.

if Ned had lived, littlefinger wouldn't have been able to cause the same kind of chaos. There'd be no negotiating with Ned as protector of the realm, no looming war from the north, no marrying and killing the lady of the vale because ned and Catlyn would have killed him, no marrying Sansa off - none of his schemes work with ned there.

pretty much the whole show wouldn't happen. it would be a happy below the wall world eventually taking on the wildling army, then the white walkers and/or Danys.

 

[Possum]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

Just because someone repeats something silly several times doesn't mean everyone needs to believe it.

Roman warriors also fought as a group in a Phalanx/Maniple. That doesn't mean that they walked around town getting their butts kicked by every unarmored schmuck wearing a blindfold that they came across.

I don't think we have any reason to believe Greek and Roman hoplites were any more effective when ambushed in small numbers and in close quarters than the Unsullied have been. If there was a reference to them being trained as awesome one versus one fighters in the show I'll retract my statement, but I thought they were introduced as soldiers trained to fight in unit and in formation, which is certainly consistent with how they arm themselves in the show (long spears).

Fine, you win. These guys were trained every day from birth to do nothing else but fight yet that regiment didn't include a day or two here and there to make sure they could take down an unarmored, visually impaired, dagger wielding militia member in single combat.

agreed - we heard back in Astapor how these guys were fearless killing machines that have been through insane combat training their whole lives, training which is so tough that most of them die from it. Yet pretty much every encounter with the SOH these guys are getting cut down one-on-one right and left, and most of the time without even taking an opponent out with them.

I can buy that they're better in formation than one-on-one, and I can even see where the Harpies would be able to take some of them out via ambush in tight spaces with greater numbers (but not without some massive losses on their side too). But most of what we're seeing from the Unsullied this season looks like a bunch of amateurs who just picked up a spear last week. The only guy that's actually held his own in a fight is Grey Worm - based on their rep the rest of the Unsullied should've been doing damage at least somewhere close to that level anytime they get attacked instead of dying off en masse against much less well-trained opponents.

 

[KarmaPolice]

just rewatched the Season 1 episode where Robert dies and Ned tries to follow his signed wishes to be protectorate. having watched the entire series and knowing what hangs in the balance, that whole episode is brutal.

if Ned had lived, littlefinger wouldn't have been able to cause the same kind of chaos. There'd be no negotiating with Ned as protector of the realm, no looming war from the north, no marrying and killing the lady of the vale because ned and Catlyn would have killed him, no marrying Sansa off - none of his schemes work with ned there.

pretty much the whole show wouldn't happen. it would be a happy below the wall world eventually taking on the wildling army, then the white walkers and/or Danys.

But Littlefinger was able to trick Ned into trusting him instantly and was able to turn that against him. Ned was honorable, but not a schemer, so I am not convinced that others would not have been able to get done what they wanted to get done. I would think that Littlefinger might even know who Robert would turn to as the Hand when he conspired to poison Jon Aryn.

On the topic, when you rewatch the series, there has to be a few main things that happen in season 1 to get us where we are today that might have been avoided to keep the peace (just talking about what we witnessed in the show, not stories being told - ie, obviously Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna wasn't great for the realm.

A couple off the top of my head:

Cat goes rogue and nabs Tyrion

Ned tells Cersei what he found out

Joffrey decides to behead Ned instead of sending him to the wall

 

[Possum]

Also, how did it save lives? It kept them alive for a bit longer so they could die for him in battle at Winterfell, but that's a short-term life-saving at best. Advantageous for Stannis, sure, but I'm not sure it was a selfless act of mercy. If his interest was in saving lives rather than gaining power they could just turn around and go back to Castle Black.

Finally, how was the ceremony and the burning at the stake the quickest and most painless way to satisfy the Lord of Light? I'm wondering if I missed something here, not challenging your statement.

If they move forward and attack Winterfell*, they'll all die without the Lord of Light's magic. If they kill Shireen, they might still all die, but this way they'll have a chance.

Burning her at the stake was the quickest, most painless way to kill Shireen possible, we can assume, because Stannis loves Shireen very much and would not want to inflict any needless pain on her. Stannis isn't a monster. He's just a man very driven to fulfill his destiny of being king, having to make some very difficult decisions along the way.

I'm not defending Stannis from the charge of being an ###. He's always been an ###. But he's not a sadist like Joffrey or Ramsay. If he could have satisfied the Lord of Light in a less horrible way for Shireen, he would have.

___

*Yes, they could turn around and return to Castle Black. Might be the best decision, but Stannis rejected it for other reasons that have nothing to do with killing Shireen. He's marching forward no matter what.

re: the bolded, I think Davos said after the Ramsay sneak attack that they didn't have enough food and supplies to make it back to Castle Black anyway.

 

[El Floppo]

just rewatched the Season 1 episode where Robert dies and Ned tries to follow his signed wishes to be protectorate. having watched the entire series and knowing what hangs in the balance, that whole episode is brutal.

if Ned had lived, littlefinger wouldn't have been able to cause the same kind of chaos. There'd be no negotiating with Ned as protector of the realm, no looming war from the north, no marrying and killing the lady of the vale because ned and Catlyn would have killed him, no marrying Sansa off - none of his schemes work with ned there.

pretty much the whole show wouldn't happen. it would be a happy below the wall world eventually taking on the wildling army, then the white walkers and/or Danys.

But Littlefinger was able to trick Ned into trusting him instantly and was able to turn that against him. Ned was honorable, but not a schemer, so I am not convinced that others would not have been able to get done what they wanted to get done. I would think that Littlefinger might even know who Robert would turn to as the Hand when he conspired to poison Jon Aryn.

On the topic, when you rewatch the series, there has to be a few main things that happen in season 1 to get us where we are today that might have been avoided to keep the peace (just talking about what we witnessed in the show, not stories being told - ie, obviously Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna wasn't great for the realm.

A couple off the top of my head:

Cat goes rogue and nabs Tyrion

Ned tells Cersei what he found out

Joffrey decides to behead Ned instead of sending him to the wall

that was a big one- he doesn't tell her, she might keep Joffrey in check as the heir-apparent. telling her meant giant war between team Lannisters vs team Baratheon.... at the very best outcome. soooooooooo stupid to tell the person/family who controls the city you're standing in something like that.

 

[TenTimes]

Frey/Bolton was all set up by Tywin.

I thought Robb breaking his marriage promise to Frey set it up? Did Tywin send Talisa to Robb or was that just a bad internet rumor?

 

[bigmarc27]

just rewatched the Season 1 episode where Robert dies and Ned tries to follow his signed wishes to be protectorate. having watched the entire series and knowing what hangs in the balance, that whole episode is brutal.

if Ned had lived, littlefinger wouldn't have been able to cause the same kind of chaos. There'd be no negotiating with Ned as protector of the realm, no looming war from the north, no marrying and killing the lady of the vale because ned and Catlyn would have killed him, no marrying Sansa off - none of his schemes work with ned there.

pretty much the whole show wouldn't happen. it would be a happy below the wall world eventually taking on the wildling army, then the white walkers and/or Danys.

But Littlefinger was able to trick Ned into trusting him instantly and was able to turn that against him. Ned was honorable, but not a schemer, so I am not convinced that others would not have been able to get done what they wanted to get done. I would think that Littlefinger might even know who Robert would turn to as the Hand when he conspired to poison Jon Aryn.

On the topic, when you rewatch the series, there has to be a few main things that happen in season 1 to get us where we are today that might have been avoided to keep the peace (just talking about what we witnessed in the show, not stories being told - ie, obviously Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna wasn't great for the realm.

A couple off the top of my head:

Cat goes rogue and nabs Tyrion

Ned tells Cersei what he found out

Joffrey decides to behead Ned instead of sending him to the wall

Littlefinger's destruction starts before Ned. He tricked/manipulated Lysa into killing Jon Arryn. That set the wheels in motion for Ned to come south and everything after.

 

[kentric]

Frey/Bolton was all set up by Tywin.

I thought Robb breaking his marriage promise to Frey set it up? Did Tywin send Talisa to Robb or was that just a bad internet rumor?

If Frey was in Tywin's pocket already, Frey wouldn't have let Robb past the twins. Frey was looking to hitch his wagon to Robb until Robb took the carrot (a marriage to a Frey) away from Frey. Figured Frey approached Tywin after that with the suggestion of the Red Wedding.

 

[TenTimes]

Frey/Bolton was all set up by Tywin.

I thought Robb breaking his marriage promise to Frey set it up? Did Tywin send Talisa to Robb or was that just a bad internet rumor?

If Frey was in Tywin's pocket already, Frey wouldn't have let Robb past the twins. Frey was looking to hitch his wagon to Robb until Robb took the carrot (a marriage to a Frey) away from Frey. Figured Frey approached Tywin after that with the suggestion of the Red Wedding.

Sounds right.

FWIW this is the video with the bad internet rumor I mentioned, you've probably all seen it by now.

Yep, I fall for that kind of stuff

edit- the video is useless on mobile phone without the annotations

 

[Deepster]

Frey/Bolton was all set up by Tywin.

I thought Robb breaking his marriage promise to Frey set it up? Did Tywin send Talisa to Robb or was that just a bad internet rumor?

If Frey was in Tywin's pocket already, Frey wouldn't have let Robb past the twins. Frey was looking to hitch his wagon to Robb until Robb took the carrot (a marriage to a Frey) away from Frey. Figured Frey approached Tywin after that with the suggestion of the Red Wedding.

Sounds right.

FWIW this is the video with the bad internet rumor I mentioned, you've probably all seen it by now.

Yep, I fall for that kind of stuff

Make sure to turn on your YouTube "annotations", it adds notes to the specific scenes in the clip above.

 

[Chadstroma]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

Just because someone repeats something silly several times doesn't mean everyone needs to believe it.

Roman warriors also fought as a group in a Phalanx/Maniple. That doesn't mean that they walked around town getting their butts kicked by every unarmored schmuck wearing a blindfold that they came across.

And just because people have to repeat something several times to people who refuse to learn/understand does not make their ignorance correct.

Romans (at least during the majority of the Roman legionary including Republican and later Marian reformed legions) did not fight in a Phalanx. The Phalanx strength was in having heavily armored troops formed closely together using spears for offense. It's weakness was that it was not very flexible and once the formation was broken was easily defeated.

The key here is in the weapons used. The hoplites were equiped with a spear as their primary weapon. In formation, they would only use that spear (doru) and only use their short sword if the formation or spear broke.

The Romans on the other hand primary weapon was the short sword (gladius) which was perfect for thrusting.

If you are not in formation and you are out numbered and you have Hoplite and a Legionnaire what will happen is that once the Hoplite thrusts one foe with a spear he does not have much time to recover and present his arms against the other foes. While the recovery of a Legionnaire is very short after one thrust with the gladius. If the Unsullied had a secondary weapon as a short sword then there is a difference and I would expect them to fair much better. For whatever reason, they do not.

In warfare, weapons and tactics have strengths and weaknesses. No matter how well trained you are if you are or how well you do one thing- if you are asked to do something else, you will struggle. This is the Unsullied. I can understand not knowing this type of stuff. I have grown up with an interest in military history thus I know more about the subject that I likely should. But if you are unwilling to learn then I am not sure how to help you understand and thus you migth as well stop discussing the topic.

 

[Spin]

just rewatched the Season 1 episode where Robert dies and Ned tries to follow his signed wishes to be protectorate. having watched the entire series and knowing what hangs in the balance, that whole episode is brutal.

if Ned had lived, littlefinger wouldn't have been able to cause the same kind of chaos. There'd be no negotiating with Ned as protector of the realm, no looming war from the north, no marrying and killing the lady of the vale because ned and Catlyn would have killed him, no marrying Sansa off - none of his schemes work with ned there.

pretty much the whole show wouldn't happen. it would be a happy below the wall world eventually taking on the wildling army, then the white walkers and/or Danys.

But Littlefinger was able to trick Ned into trusting him instantly and was able to turn that against him. Ned was honorable, but not a schemer, so I am not convinced that others would not have been able to get done what they wanted to get done. I would think that Littlefinger might even know who Robert would turn to as the Hand when he conspired to poison Jon Aryn.

On the topic, when you rewatch the series, there has to be a few main things that happen in season 1 to get us where we are today that might have been avoided to keep the peace (just talking about what we witnessed in the show, not stories being told - ie, obviously Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna wasn't great for the realm.

A couple off the top of my head:

Cat goes rogue and nabs Tyrion

Ned tells Cersei what he found out

Joffrey decides to behead Ned instead of sending him to the wall

Littlefinger's destruction starts before Ned. He tricked/manipulated Lysa into killing Jon Arryn. That set the wheels in motion for Ned to come south and everything after.

Didn't Sansa also tell Cersei her family was planning on leaving? Woops.

 

[mozzy84]

When you watch the show over again you catch a lot of stuff its seems like. What I got from the second time through...

Davos totally knew that was the last time he would see the little girl.

The look the faceless man gives Arya after she lies to him will not end well for her.

Still say that Ollie kid is going to try and pull something big next week.

The whole dorne storyline seemed really pointless if that is all that came out of it.

 

[Gr00vus]

Did anyone else turn down the volume during the Shireen burning? That was hard to listen to.

As I mentioned yesterday, once she started screaming, I put it on mute until the scene was over.

 

[Drifter]

Davos didn't know. He was worried that Stannis was on a suicide mission, hence his effort to take her with him. He would have never allowed it to happen if he knew, which is why Stannis sent him away.

 

[TenTimes]

When you watch the show over again you catch a lot of stuff its seems like.

Probably nothing, but last night I rewatched the S3 episode where Hound faught in a trial by combat vs. Beric Dondarrion. Ended with Beric telling Hound a couple times that "the Lord of Light is not finished with you".

Technically, we don't know that Hound is dead yet, right? Just left for dead by Arya? Still holding out hope that he's the one to take down Mountain, farfetched as that would be at this point.

 

[GregR]

Missandei tells Daenerys: "Every day they train from dawn to dusk until they are masters of the shortsword, the shield and the three spears".

The DVD special features show the Unsullied on guard duty armed with short swords in addition to their spear and shield.

The directors are not being consistent within the show when it comes to the skill, equipping and fight choreography of the Unsullied. That Unsullied are also skilled at fighting as a phalanx in war doesn't make the complaint any less valid.

Still a good show though.

 

[El Floppo]

Davos didn't know. He was worried that Stannis was on a suicide mission, hence his effort to take her with him. He would have never allowed it to happen if he knew, which is why Stannis sent him away.

That's my take too.

 

[Drifter]

When you watch the show over again you catch a lot of stuff its seems like.

Probably nothing, but last night I rewatched the S3 episode where Hound faught in a trial by combat vs. Beric Dondarrion. Ended with Beric telling Hound a couple times that "the Lord of Light is not finished with you".

Technically, we don't know that Hound is dead yet, right? Just left for dead by Arya? Still holding out hope that he's the one to take down Mountain, farfetched as that would be at this point.

Good catch. Definitely seems as though the Hound is set up for a re-appearance after being resurrected by the Lord of Light.