Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)

[Eviloutsider]

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[the moops]

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is just screencaps from the show.

It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.

I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

 

[Thunderlips]

remind me again why TeamHodor didn't just go to Castle Black?

Put me in the camp that the mom had the most to gain here.

Also put me in the camp that #### about the previews as they tipped this off pretty hardcore going into the season.

Jojen Reed was the main person behind not going to Castle Black and heading North of the Wall.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Has anyone explored the possibility that Joffrey killed himself? Think about it.

That's what happened in the book.

 

[Mario Kart]

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[NDyse10]

i watched the episode again today. 2 things stuck out:

1) lot of dead birds in the pie

2) queen Margarie was really trying to feed Joffrey with the pie

I don't think it is her, but the way she kept trying to give him pie was interesting. i think they made the episode good enough that there are a few suspects they hinted it could be. but i do think it was the pie, and not the wine

I too think it was the pie and not the wine. Joffrey was the only one to eat the pie (if I remember correctly) the wine had far more access of being consumed by multiple people.

I seem to recall others eating the pie.

I will have to rewatch that scene. But I remember Joffrey cutting the pie and then taking a piece and then Margory feeding it to him, and then he choked.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

i watched the episode again today. 2 things stuck out:

1) lot of dead birds in the pie

2) queen Margarie was really trying to feed Joffrey with the pie

I don't think it is her, but the way she kept trying to give him pie was interesting. i think they made the episode good enough that there are a few suspects they hinted it could be. but i do think it was the pie, and not the wine

I too think it was the pie and not the wine. Joffrey was the only one to eat the pie (if I remember correctly) the wine had far more access of being consumed by multiple people.

I seem to recall others eating the pie.

I will have to rewatch that scene. But I remember Joffrey cutting the pie and then taking a piece and then Margory feeding it to him, and then he choked.

He did have one *gack* before he even started eating the pie, IIRC.

 

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It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.

I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

There were people going WAAAY deeper with screencaps, etc in the True Detective thread...and there are no books.

 

[Synthesizer]

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You need to put spoiler warnings, dude.

What did you think you were going to see? It says it's evidence as to who it might be. It

is just screencaps from the show.

It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.

I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

There were people going WAAAY deeper with screencaps, etc in the True Detective thread...and there are no books.

That's exactly the point. Shows without books can go as deep as they want with screencaps and analysis of every little detail because no one knows what will happen next. But there are millions of people that know what will happen next in GOT. This thread is not for them.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

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You need to put spoiler warnings, dude.

What did you think you were going to see? It says it's evidence as to who it might be. It

is just screencaps from the show.

It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.

I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

I read the books. You can't stop me from being in this thread.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Mystery solved

Not a spoiler.

Or maybe it is....mwahahahahahahaha

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Not a spoiler. Really.

 

[sn0mm1s]

http://imgur.com/a/Tw3MU

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You need to put spoiler warnings, dude.

What did you think you were going to see? It says it's evidence as to who it might be. It

is just screencaps from the show.

It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.

I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

It isn't illegal is it? Just give them the moniker "book reading guys" and assume they ride bikes as well.

 

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http://imgur.com/a/Tw3MU

Some evidence as to who it might be.

ADVICE: DON'T CLICK ON THISYou need to put spoiler warnings, dude.

What did you think you were going to see? It says it's evidence as to who it might be. Itis just screencaps from the show.

It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

There were people going WAAAY deeper with screencaps, etc in the True Detective thread...and there are no books.

That's exactly the point. Shows without books can go as deep as they want with screencaps and analysis of every little detail because no one knows what will happen next. But there are millions of people that know what will happen next in GOT. This thread is not for them.

Where does it say that link is from one of 'them'?

Seems to me like a detail anyone could have noticed.

 

[gump]

Here's the Seppy link during RN's disappearance:

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-the-lion-and-the-rose-long-live-the-king#I4LDUsIv1KPFRFMh.03

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

http://imgur.com/a/Tw3MU

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You need to put spoiler warnings, dude.

What did you think you were going to see? It says it's evidence as to who it might be. It

is just screencaps from the show.

It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.

I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

It isn't illegal is it? Just give them the moniker "book reading guys" and assume they ride bikes as well.

You know who hated book-readers too? THE NAZIS.

 

[KarmaPolice]

http://imgur.com/a/Tw3MU

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ADVICE: DON'T CLICK ON THISYou need to put spoiler warnings, dude.

What did you think you were going to see? It says it's evidence as to who it might be. Itis just screencaps from the show.

It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

 

[KarmaPolice]

http://imgur.com/a/Tw3MU

Some evidence as to who it might be.

ADVICE: DON'T CLICK ON THISYou need to put spoiler warnings, dude.

What did you think you were going to see? It says it's evidence as to who it might be. Itis just screencaps from the show.

It is screencaps from someone who clearly has read the books and is being dooshy about it. No way someone grabs those without already knowing the truth.I dont really care that much, for I actually seek out spoilers at times, but some people DO NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKS TO BE IN THIS THREAD.

There were people going WAAAY deeper with screencaps, etc in the True Detective thread...and there are no books.

That's exactly the point. Shows without books can go as deep as they want with screencaps and analysis of every little detail because no one knows what will happen next. But there are millions of people that know what will happen next in GOT. This thread is not for them.

Where does it say that link is from one of 'them'?Seems to me like a detail anyone could have noticed.

I know I got flamed for saying anything, but

Spoiler

I HIGHLY doubt a viewer without some previous knowledge put those images together.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Just re-watched the last scene. A few notes on the timeline and who handled things.

• People that handled the goblet before Joffrey showed symptoms: Tyrion, Sansa, Margery
• The bottle of wine that was poured into the goblet was sitting in front of Cersei
• Old Lady Tyrell was never within reach of either the goblet or the bottle of wine
• Sansa asked to leave after she handled the goblet, not before (someone earlier remarked that it couldn't have been her because she asked to leave before anything went down)
• Sansa didn't seem to linger with the goblet in her hand for long, however she did pick it up with her hand over the top
• Joffrey was the only one to eat the pie
• Joffrey showed no symptoms before eating the pie (so it still could have been the pie), but showed his first cough immediately after drinking the re-filled cup of wine

If it was in the wine, it seems that the only people it could have logistically been are Sansa, Tyrion, Margery (all three handled the goblet), or Cersei (had the bottle of wine sitting in front of her, though it would have been hard for her to slip anything in there unnoticed). I don't think anyone else could have done it through the wine. If it was in the goblet since the beginning then Joffrey would have gotten sick earlier and if it was in the bottle since the beginning than Cersei/Tywin would have been poisoned also as they were presumably drinking from the bottle in front of them that was used to pour Joffrey's last glass.

 

[GTBilly]

Chances of it being any of the people we suspect that killed Jof are slim to none. This is GOT, some how it will be one of the three dragons that killed him.

 

[EYLive]

I know I got flamed for saying anything, but

People obsessed with the show will dissect it scene by scene and frame by frame.

The screencaps were just a theory, so there's no reason get angry about it.

 

[bigbottom]

Just re-watched the last scene. A few notes on the timeline and who handled things.

• People that handled the goblet before Joffrey showed symptoms: Tyrion, Sansa, Margery
• The bottle of wine that was poured into the goblet was sitting in front of Cersei
• Old Lady Tyrell was never within reach of either the goblet or the bottle of wine
• Sansa asked to leave after she handled the goblet, not before (someone earlier remarked that it couldn't have been her because she asked to leave before anything went down)
• Sansa didn't seem to linger with the goblet in her hand for long, however she did pick it up with her hand over the top
• Joffrey was the only one to eat the pie
• Joffrey showed no symptoms before eating the pie (so it still could have been the pie), but showed his first cough immediately after drinking the re-filled cup of wine

If it was in the wine, it seems that the only people it could have logistically been are Sansa, Tyrion, Margery (all three handled the goblet), or Cersei (had the bottle of wine sitting in front of her, though it would have been hard for her to slip anything in there unnoticed). I don't think anyone else could have done it through the wine. If it was in the goblet since the beginning then Joffrey would have gotten sick earlier and if it was in the bottle since the beginning than Cersei/Tywin would have been poisoned also as they were presumably drinking from the bottle in front of them that was used to pour Joffrey's last glass.

Great summary! Thanks for the analysis.

I'd love for it to end up being Sansa. Acting all passive and morose when all along she was engineering Joffrey's assassination. I still don't see how it makes sens that Margery would be the killer. Doesn't she need an heir to retain any power for her family?

 

[shadyridr]

How could it be Sansa? The fool told her she better come with him knowing what was about to go down.

 

[Premier]

The better question is who wants to eat that ####ing pie? A bunch of birds just #### and died inside of that thing.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

I hope we get more screen time of Bronn training Jaime to use his left. that pairing is awesome.

 

[Wingnut]

The better question is who wants to eat that ####ing pie? A bunch of birds just #### and died inside of that thing.

When Joffrey started choking I thought he was choking on a bird bone.

 

[fruity pebbles]

i just noticed on the 2nd watching that joffrey chopped the book tyrion gave him in half with his new sword lol. not sure how i missed that.

 

[shadyridr]

i just noticed on the 2nd watching that joffrey chopped the book tyrion gave him in half with his new sword lol. not sure how i missed that.

king joffrey also died at the end of the episode

 

[fruity pebbles]

i just noticed on the 2nd watching that joffrey chopped the book tyrion gave him in half with his new sword lol. not sure how i missed that.

king joffrey also died at the end of the episode

shut it

 

[KarmaPolice]

i just noticed on the 2nd watching that joffrey chopped the book tyrion gave him in half with his new sword lol. not sure how i missed that.

not sure either.

great scene- for about 1min it looked like joffrey might not be a #### to his uncle.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The better question is who wants to eat that ####ing pie? A bunch of birds just #### and died inside of that thing.

Really? Is that really a better question? This shtick is terrible.

 

[G5781]

Pycelle stated way back in season 1 that poison is the weapon of a woman or a eunuch. I think GRR Martin wouldnt deviate from that so I think we can eliminate Oberyn or any other popular male choices. I would remove the eunuch Varys as well since that would be out of left field.

The women with clear motive are Sansa and Cersei. Sansa is too stupid to pull something like that off on her own, but could she have conspired with the fool to execute this plan? That would explain his urging of Sansa to get out of dodge as Joff was dying. That would give fans some extra satisfaction knowing that his demise came at the hands of a Stark.

Cersei probably has the most incentive since she's losing her grasp on the power she once yielded. Tommen becomes King and she will be able to maintain the power everybody seems to point out shes losing.

The Tyrell's are a popular choice but the motive isnt there. They have nothing to gain with Joff dying and even though they know he's a monster, they are power hungry and he was their ticket to the throne.

My money would be on Cersei

 

[Amused to Death]

Pycelle stated way back in season 1 that poison is the weapon of a woman or a eunuch. I think GRR Martin wouldnt deviate from that so I think we can eliminate Oberyn or any other popular male choices. I would remove the eunuch Varys as well since that would be out of left field.

The women with clear motive are Sansa and Cersei. Sansa is too stupid to pull something like that off on her own, but could she have conspired with the fool to execute this plan? That would explain his urging of Sansa to get out of dodge as Joff was dying. That would give fans some extra satisfaction knowing that his demise came at the hands of a Stark.

Cersei probably has the most incentive since she's losing her grasp on the power she once yielded. Tommen becomes King and she will be able to maintain the power everybody seems to point out shes losing.

The Tyrell's are a popular choice but the motive isnt there. They have nothing to gain with Joff dying and even though they know he's a monster, they are power hungry and he was their ticket to the throne.

My money would be on Cersei

Varys serves the realm.

 

[Premier]

The better question is who wants to eat that ####ing pie? A bunch of birds just #### and died inside of that thing.

Really? Is that really a better question? This shtick is terrible.

It's not my fault you went from one of the better posters on this board to an eminence-level thread troll.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The better question is who wants to eat that ####ing pie? A bunch of birds just #### and died inside of that thing.

Really? Is that really a better question? This shtick is terrible.

It's not my fault you went from one of the better posters on this board to an eminence-level thread troll.

It is your fault.

But let's stop derailing the thread and get back to how we know that Tyrion died from bird flu.

 

[Premier]

The better question is who wants to eat that ####ing pie? A bunch of birds just #### and died inside of that thing.

Really? Is that really a better question? This shtick is terrible.

It's not my fault you went from one of the better posters on this board to an eminence-level thread troll.

It is your fault.

But let's stop derailing the thread and get back to how we know that Tyrion died from bird flu.

Works for me.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Pycelle stated way back in season 1 that poison is the weapon of a woman or a eunuch. I think GRR Martin wouldnt deviate from that so I think we can eliminate Oberyn or any other popular male choices. I would remove the eunuch Varys as well since that would be out of left field.

The women with clear motive are Sansa and Cersei. Sansa is too stupid to pull something like that off on her own, but could she have conspired with the fool to execute this plan? That would explain his urging of Sansa to get out of dodge as Joff was dying. That would give fans some extra satisfaction knowing that his demise came at the hands of a Stark.

Cersei probably has the most incentive since she's losing her grasp on the power she once yielded. Tommen becomes King and she will be able to maintain the power everybody seems to point out shes losing.

The Tyrell's are a popular choice but the motive isnt there. They have nothing to gain with Joff dying and even though they know he's a monster, they are power hungry and he was their ticket to the throne.

My money would be on Cersei

Varys serves the realm.

most of the time. I don't think the guy he had in the box was for anybody but him.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The problem with Cersei is that, logistically, it would have been difficult for her to do it. The wine bottle was in front of her but out in the open, where it would be obvious that she was reaching over to put something in it. It can't have been in there the whole time as I believe Tywin was drinking from the same bottle and he wasn't poisoned. I suppose she could have put something in there while handling the bottle to refill her glass, but I don't recall her refilling her glass during the scene.

Logistically the two that make the most sense are Sansa and Margery. Sansa not only handled the goblet but handled it in a way where it would be very easy to slip something in there unnoticed. Of course, it begins to fall apart when you consider that she would have had no way of knowing that she'd have such a great opportunity ahead of time unless she just carried the poison around with her 24/7 waiting for an opportunity to present itself. She also gave no clues away visually (even when re-watching and looking for them) that she was any more nervous than usual or that she had any idea what was about to happen.

Margery makes the most sense from a logistical standpoint, but the least from a motivational one. She not only handled the goblet just before Joffrey was poisoned, but she was also one of the few that could have reasonably expected she'd get near Joffrey's glass ahead of time. Motivationally though, there isn't much there other than maybe she realized Joffrey was even more of a monster than she'd imagined and knew this was her only out.

If the poison was in the pie, then all bets are off. But it's a pretty big risk to assume that Joffrey is going to eat the pie, eat it first, and that no one else is going to take a bite and become a casualty (unless maybe you're someone like Oberon who'd be happy with pretty much anyone at the entire wedding dying).

 

[NIU Kicker]

Well whoever it ends up being the whole thing (going back to season 1) was well written to this point. It's a who done it and any one of the choices mentioned so far could have been foreshadowed in one of a few ways.

 

[EYLive]

Just re-watched the last scene. A few notes on the timeline and who handled things.

• People that handled the goblet before Joffrey showed symptoms: Tyrion, Sansa, Margery
• The bottle of wine that was poured into the goblet was sitting in front of Cersei
• Old Lady Tyrell was never within reach of either the goblet or the bottle of wine
• Sansa asked to leave after she handled the goblet, not before (someone earlier remarked that it couldn't have been her because she asked to leave before anything went down)
• Sansa didn't seem to linger with the goblet in her hand for long, however she did pick it up with her hand over the top
• Joffrey was the only one to eat the pie
• Joffrey showed no symptoms before eating the pie (so it still could have been the pie), but showed his first cough immediately after drinking the re-filled cup of wine

If it was in the wine, it seems that the only people it could have logistically been are Sansa, Tyrion, Margery (all three handled the goblet), or Cersei (had the bottle of wine sitting in front of her, though it would have been hard for her to slip anything in there unnoticed). I don't think anyone else could have done it through the wine. If it was in the goblet since the beginning then Joffrey would have gotten sick earlier and if it was in the bottle since the beginning than Cersei/Tywin would have been poisoned also as they were presumably drinking from the bottle in front of them that was used to pour Joffrey's last glass.

Great summary! Thanks for the analysis.

I'd love for it to end up being Sansa. Acting all passive and morose when all along she was engineering Joffrey's assassination. I still don't see how it makes sens that Margery would be the killer. Doesn't she need an heir to retain any power for her family?

There's still the youngest Lannister son. These are all arranged marriages anyway so if the families still want to join consolidate power, the kids don't really have a say.

 

[culdeus]

Is it ok to mention that in the previews:

Spoiler

They spent alot of time showing Tyrion in the dungeon saying this was the end for him, etc. And FWIW he seemed to be implying he wasn't guilty of whatever he was there for.

 

[fruity pebbles]

My moneys on Olenna having something to do with it. Poison definitely seemed to be in the wine the 2nd time Joff took a sip from the cup. The way the camera panned when he picked it up, Olenna was very close to it and the camera definitely focused on her before he took a drink.

 

[culdeus]

My moneys on Olenna having something to do with it. Poison definitely seemed to be in the wine the 2nd time Joff took a sip from the cup. The way the camera panned when he picked it up, Olenna was very close to it and the camera definitely focused on her before he took a drink.

Far fetched imo.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

i just noticed on the 2nd watching that joffrey chopped the book tyrion gave him in half with his new sword lol. not sure how i missed that.

Were you blackout hammered?

 

[EYLive]

Is Tywin a suspect? He hates his grandson and he gains a lot of power.

He might have had someone poison the gift sword knowing only Joffrey would handle it.

 

[G5781]

My moneys on Olenna having something to do with it. Poison definitely seemed to be in the wine the 2nd time Joff took a sip from the cup. The way the camera panned when he picked it up, Olenna was very close to it and the camera definitely focused on her before he took a drink.

Far fetched imo.

Seems logistically possible but what is Olenna's motive? Maybe for Margery's sake but she knew what she was getting the Tyrell's into when the marriage was arranged. Her family has the most to lose with Joffrey's death

 

[Rick James]

i just noticed on the 2nd watching that joffrey chopped the book tyrion gave him in half with his new sword lol. not sure how i missed that.

Were you blackout hammered?

to be fair it was pretty subtle

 

[EYLive]

My moneys on Olenna having something to do with it. Poison definitely seemed to be in the wine the 2nd time Joff took a sip from the cup. The way the camera panned when he picked it up, Olenna was very close to it and the camera definitely focused on her before he took a drink.

Far fetched imo.

Seems logistically possible but what is Olenna's motive? Maybe for Margery's sake but she knew what she was getting the Tyrell's into when the marriage was arranged. Her family has the most to lose with Joffrey's death

Not really. She grilled Sansa for the truth about Joffrey. I don't think she knew for sure before hand.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

My moneys on Olenna having something to do with it. Poison definitely seemed to be in the wine the 2nd time Joff took a sip from the cup. The way the camera panned when he picked it up, Olenna was very close to it and the camera definitely focused on her before he took a drink.

Far fetched imo.

Seems logistically possible but what is Olenna's motive? Maybe for Margery's sake but she knew what she was getting the Tyrell's into when the marriage was arranged. Her family has the most to lose with Joffrey's death

her motive would be to not have her grand daughter married to a monster

 

[bostonfred]

Tywin got princess weirdboobs money the moment she said I do, but she doesn't get to stay queen now that her husband is dead. The lannisters couldn't afford to pay their debts without the teagarden money and they hated geoffrey as much as anyone. Tywin has never had a problem ####### over his kids, so killing his grandson shouldn't make him bat an eye. And cersei had as much to gain from it as anyone so she may have been playing along. It would be more fun if this were a stark, but if you follow the money, the lannisters have the most to gain.

The outside shot is that the fool, who geoffrey was going to murder by drowning him with wine, killed joffrey with wine instead. But I think he died of pie, not wine, so that doesn't really make sense.