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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

KarmaPolice said:
I get that, but to me it would feel a tad odd to have her show up out of the blue after 2 seasons, but whatever.   Sort of like Ghost being there this episode. ;)
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Melisadre talked to Varys about needing to come back and die in Westeros during 7.3. So next week it will have been exactly one season. Feels longer due to the real life time gap though

 
I really enjoy the speculation.  I get that the book readers see a change in the dialogue and I guess there has been some.  But I've enjoyed this journey.  A lot.  I don't remember ever anticipating a show nearly as much as this one ever.

And I really enjoy that for all the speculation and foreshadowing that we really just don't know for sure what might happen.  There really are a ton of avenues they can take.  I would prefer 10 episodes this year.  And frankly several more years of the show.  But even though there are only 4 left, I enjoyed these first two.  More than most it seems.  

The never ending battle of human nature to do what is right has been really well told here.

 
good as dead:

Theon

Grey Worm

Jorah

Jamie

Edd - night watch guy

one of Sam/Gilly

Brienne

Davos

I thinking Varys goes

One of Sansa/Arya

one of Jon/Danny

Gendry

One of Hound/Mountain

Cersei

Red Women

not all in episode 3 obviously 

I think Bran lives to carry on the memories of humanity. 

 
Okay, I haven't read everyone's theories on what will happen, but 3 things that I could see happening to give the audience good closure:

  • Arya kills Cersei
  • The Hound kills the Mountain
  • The Ice dragon gets taken out by the Lannister dragon crossbow with a huge dragonglass arrow forged by Gendry.
Of course none of that is likely to happen at the battle of Winterfell.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
I really enjoy the speculation.  I get that the book readers see a change in the dialogue and I guess there has been some.  But I've enjoyed this journey.  A lot.  I don't remember ever anticipating a show nearly as much as this one ever.

And I really enjoy that for all the speculation and foreshadowing that we really just don't know for sure what might happen.  There really are a ton of avenues they can take.  I would prefer 10 episodes this year.  And frankly several more years of the show.  But even though there are only 4 left, I enjoyed these first two.  More than most it seems.  

The never ending battle of human nature to do what is right has been really well told here.
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It might feel like there are a ton of avenues they can take, but I think it boils down to just a couple that will feel acceptable.

All in the execution.

 
The Dude said:
And if you disagree, please feel free to cite an example from last night of great dialogue..
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I forgot to mention my 3rd favorite scene --- Bran and Jaime - at the Weirwood tree.

J: I'm sorry for what I did to you. (Sincere)

B: You weren't sorry then. You were protecting your family. (Spoken with confidence in knowledge)

J: I'm not that person anymore. (I believe it)

B: You still would be, if you hadn't pushed me out of that window; and I would still be Brandon Stark. (confidence again)

J: You're not? (J's 1st reaction is to inquire about Bran rather than himself & his other potential fate/timeline)

B: No, I'm something else now. (confidence)

J: You're not angry at me? (Is J worried about his own safety or is he truly interested in Bran's ????

B: I'm not angry at anyone. (I believe him)

J: Why didn't you tell them? (This seems to be more about his respect for Bran, than concern about his safety- imo)

B: You won't be able to help us in this fight if I let them murder you first. (confidence)

J: What about afterwards? (Again, I read this as more concern about realm than his own fate)

<long pause>

B: How do you know there is an afterwards? (is this lesser confidence? or is it to provoke the desired/necessary reaction from J?)

 
hagmania said:
It might feel like there are a ton of avenues they can take, but I think it boils down to just a couple that will feel acceptable.

All in the execution.
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True.

One idea I had that could work from a dramatic point of view:

The NK does get defeated but Westeros is basically a wasteland.  Jon and Dany survive with a few others and they decide together that since there is nothing left in Westeros to rule that Dany will go back to the east to rule there but Jon stays behind to care for Westeros and rebuild Winterfell and the Wall.  Or some variation of that where they unite the known world but sacrifice just about everything to do it.

 
need2know said:
I don't get why they would let theon guard bran.  I mean besides Jamie and Tyrion is there anyone else the starks would hate more?

It would be funny if theon runs away from the night king like he did from his uncle lol
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Did you miss the scene with Jon last season? Now he's done right by Yara and then claimed his place with his other family by showing up for this battle. Like Jon told him, he was able to honor both his Greyjoy and Stark sides. Then the reunion with Sansa, someone he will be bonded with forever after their ordeal with Ramsay. All is good between Theon and the Starks imo, he is redeemed and finally at peace with his two warring sides. Perfect time to die imo.

I agree with whoever said it would make more sense to give Bran a guardian with Valyrian steel though. Dany and Jon did say they'd be keeping the dragons near enough to Bran. Seems like a good job for Arya though. She's more of an assassin than an open field warrior, no matter how badass she is. 

 
dhockster said:
Tormund and Beric saw it at the wall. So yes.
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Yeah, Tormund and Beric are at the war map and don't say, "Ok cool, cool... The Raven parks his chair in the Godswood and the Ironborn defend the Godswood... now what about the big ####### dragon that's gonna blow apart the castle?"

 
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My only prediction for next week is that Gendry and Arya make it out alive. Those two will be on the Iron Throne in the end.

The people who have the secks before a war never die.

 
Jamie - didn't just knight brienne, he asked to fight under her command.  That's the respect she deserves. Cersei wanting to kill him, tyrion talking to him, I think his arcs are all wrapped up. Likelihood of death - high 

Brienne - did she avenge renly, protect the stark girls, get a satisfying conclusion to her relationship with Jamie, and become a knight?  Yes? Ok, it was a good run.  Likelihood of death - nearly certain

Beric needs to do a good job fighting with his flaming sword, i guess, but he's done enough to justify his arc. The LoL brought him back a bunch and he helped get the hound and a bunch of other important characters into the fight... possible that he's got a bigger role to play but also possible that he's done. Likelihood of death - all but certain

Mellisandre's whole reason for existing is to get the prince who is promised into the big fight at winterfell.  She just didn't realize which big fight.  She didn't show up earlier because jon and co said they would kill her if she did but she needs to bring reinforcements and see the fiery sword, then she'll die in westeros as she planned. If she doesn't show up ener again, then wtf was the point of her character still being alive? Likelihood of death - near certain 

Danny could die and consider her arc complete. She hatched the dragons and brought them to the fight, she saved jon snow and all the other brave warriors who did the dumbest thing ever, and brought two big armies to the fight. She's also the "last dragon" - if they kill the night king and his zombie dragon and he kills her and her dragons then that's the end of the fire and the ice. Likelihood of death - pretty high

Bran - same thing i guess. Wouldn't bother me at all if he died when the night king died, or if the night king died when he died.  They're obviously connected, and he's literally using himself as bait. Likelihood of death - pretty fn high.  

Podrick - need him around to sing good and sling wood. Likelihood of death - better be zero

Gendry - did they use his king's blood? Yup. Blacksmith ability? Sure. Willingness to pork a girl he met when she was 12 and he thought she was a boy but now she's a super knife throwing staff swinging sword fighting knife wielding face wearing assassin? Yeah. Hammer swinging?  Sure.  Ability to row a boat really slow? Uh huh. Ability to run real fast?  Yeppers. He's served most of his purpose although technically he could be the pwwp. Likelihood of death - could go either way.  

Arya - what a waste if she dies now. She did get some good pun opportunities, from arya a boy or a girl to the gendry reveal, but if the only purpose of all the faceless man stuff was to kill a cranky old dude and his merry band of incompetents, i'll be disappointed.  Likelihood of death - low 

The Hound - he's had his redemption arc for everything but throwing that rock on the ice.  He owes us more, but we might not get it.  Likelihood of death - 50/50 maybe a little lower.  

Sansa - has the lady of winterfell  survived all this time just to die in the crypt?  I hope not.  I could see a callback to the Blackwater scene where they considered suicide and she sang songs to keep the ladies calm.  Maybe her role in the crypts is to be stronger this time.  She's wearing armor now after all.  Likelihood of death - slim but possible.  

Tormund and the wildlings, grey worm and the unsullied, and, uh, jorah and the dothraki? I feel like all 3 armies are going to get rocked, and those guys are the faces of their respective armies. If i had to guess, tormund dies without ####### brienne, Grey worm without moving south with miss sandy, and jorah without getting to shout khaleesi one last time.  Likelihood of death - pretty high for all 3

Tyrion - needs to go back to kings landing to see Bronn and Cersei. Likelihood of death- slim

Onion knight - he's outlasted his plot arc already but now it's down to him seeing mellisandre be right and her still dying before he dies. I don't think the story needs him to get to its end. What would he have left to do, take out yuron?  I'd be fine with that as long as it's quick and painful.  Likelihood of death - pretty high

Oddball idea - Jamie dies, arya doesn't know that him and Cersei broke up so she cuts his face off and wears it to king's landing, bronn shoots her. 

 
hagmania said:
Yeah, Tormund and Beric are at the war map and don't say, "Ok cool, cool... The Raven parks his chair in the Godswood and the Ironborn defend the Godswood... now what about the big ####### dragon that's gonna blow apart the castle?
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Noone talked about their dragons either.  I think it is safe to say we didn't get the whole battle plan on screen.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
The thing about Gendry being an unacknowledged ******* is that the one person who might confirm his royal blood, and the two who suspected it, are all dead.  I’m sure the writers will find a way if they decide it’s important to the plot, but it would probably have to be some sort of magic thing like the red priestess or Bran. 
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I mean, after the role he's played helping beyond the wall and the war effort, anyone out of Jon, Dany, or Sansa could do it at the end. Right now the people who know his lineage are Davos, Jon, Dany, Arya and anyone they told. Out of those really only Dany has any beef with Robert Baratheon, although she knows a little something about being related to a bad king. I don't think it ends up being important even if he lives though, aside from some epilogue type closure. 

 
PIK95 said:
Or she will BE Bran in the wheelchair as bait.
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Can she assume any living identity? I'm a little confused on the abilities she has but was under impression the person had to be killed and face prepped before it is usable in that way? E.g. her using a face from that hall to kill Meryn Trant, her killing Walder Frey first before assuming his identity for the slaughter of house Frey.

 
Foosball God said:
Noone talked about their dragons either.  I think it is safe to say we didn't get the whole battle plan on screen.
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Yeah, I think it's safe to say that too. Just wanted some acknowledgement.

I guess they're acknowledging Ice-eryon when they say, "Welp, we're all going to die."

 
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BigJim® said:
Can she assume any living identity? I'm a little confused on the abilities she has but was under impression the person had to be killed and face prepped before it is usable in that way? E.g. her using a face from that hall to kill Meryn Trant, her killing Walder Frey first before assuming his identity for the slaughter of house Frey.
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It isn't proven that Arya can, but she saw someone else using her face in Braavos.

I think Bran's mark will be tough to replicate though, so probably not going down like this.

 
Foosball God said:
Noone talked about their dragons either.  I think it is safe to say we didn't get the whole battle plan on screen.
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Agree. But one thing that really stood out to me was the look Dany gave Jon at the end. It was like, we’re going to deal with this incest/throne stuff later, but right now, I need you to go get the damn dragons. Anyone else notice that?

 
badmojo1006 said:
Speculation on who dies next week

Brianne She got the knighthood and was happy

Greyworm/Massandei Also too happy.

Ser Norah and Lady Mormont

Theon

Gilly and baby Sam

Jamie He had his tour of forgiveness

The red witch

Ser Davos Just because 

And Ayra 
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Who's going to kill Cersi if both Ayra and Jamie dies?  I think one of those two will survive just for that reason.  Unless it's Tyrion and Bronn which I could see as well.

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
How do you know there is an afterwards? (is this lesser confidence? or is it to provoke the desired/necessary reaction from J?)
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Just thought of other possible interpretation:

"How do you know there is an afterwards?" 

As in, "Yes, I know there is an afterwards; but how do you know this as well?" 

I think this is the least likely, but most interesting view. 

 
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A wild theory I have is that The Mountain ends up killing Cersei, but I think that would take the NK being in the area to trigger him and I can't see the NK prevailing.

 
hagmania said:
It isn't proven that Arya can, but she saw someone else using her face in Braavos.

I think Bran's mark will be tough to replicate though, so probably not going down like this.
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I'm also assuming the Night King is using his "mark" to track Bran.  Not really going off the whole face thing...

 
Pipes said:
Who's going to kill Cersi if both Ayra and Jamie dies?  I think one of those two will survive just for that reason.  Unless it's Tyrion and Bronn which I could see as well.
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I thought that was some pretty obvious foreshadowing last show. If it was a feint it’s a terrible writing trick.

 
So - Brienne gets knighted - she's dead

Greyworm promises a future with Missandei - he's dead

Arya decided to take the Black(smith) - I think she lives in episode 3, but maybe not live to the end.

the Crypt has bad stuff in it - we saw Arya running like a scared little girl in the season trailer - probably a bunch of dead Starks coming out to fight.

 
With Jon's reveal, I'm pretty sure Dany is going to abandon Winterfell and go for the Iron Throne.  A few will make it out alive but most are goners here.

One of Dany's dragons will either stay with Jon or save him at the last possible minute.

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
I agree with Frosty, but there was one instance of potential bad writing imo. 

I say potential because I am not sure if it was the writing itself, or the way it was executed. 

The scene I thought fell short, was when Tyrion repeated his joke about how he wanted to die - to Jaimie. 

I really liked the original, but this one just didn't feel right to me. When I re-watch, I might get a better understanding. 
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Even if that wasn't perfect, I thought Tyrion fantasizing about marching down to King's Landing after he dies to rip Cersei apart was.

 
Sinn Fein said:
So - Brienne gets knighted - she's dead

Greyworm promises a future with Missandei - he's dead

Arya decided to take the Black(smith) - I think she lives in episode 3, but maybe not live to the end.

the Crypt has bad stuff in it - we saw Arya running like a scared little girl in the season trailer - probably a bunch of dead Starks coming out to fight.
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Dead starks coming back would be cool

 
They are doing a good job showing how messed up humans are. 

Even in the face of annihilation people are trying to carve our their own piece of whatever is leftover should they win. 

Dany and Sansa especially. Jon seems to be the one who resists. 

Of course it is the same with Cersei. Although she is shrewd her plan of wiping up the winner of the battle is missing one critical fact. 

If NK wins.....his army doesn’t get weaker, it gets bigger. 

It feels to me like humans will be wiped off Westeros.  They all fight over the throne,  not recognizing that by not working together there will be no throne to fight over. 

Maybe Jon wins with the help of the Red God and since he is the only one who gets it the series ends with him smashing the throne and declaring Westeros a land of free people. 

 
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