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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (1 Viewer)

The Duff Man said:
They are doing a good job showing how messed up humans are. 

Even in the face of annihilation people are trying to carve our their own piece of whatever is leftover should they win. 

Dany and Sansa especially. Jon seems to be the one who resists. 

Of course it is the same with Cersei. Although she is shrewd her plan of wiping up the winner of the battle is missing one critical fact. 

If NK wins.....his army doesn’t get weaker, it gets bigger. 

It feels to me like humans will be wiped off Westeros.  They all fight over the throne,  not recognizing that by not working together there will be no throne to fight over. 

Maybe Jon wins with the help of the Red God and since he is the only one who gets it the series ends with him smashing the throne and declaring Westeros a land of free people. 
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Even if the NK wins the Battle of Winterfell, that doesn't mean his dead army can't be weakened. Two dragons and lots of dragonglass and V-steel weapons can do lots of damage to the dead. 

I could see a scenario where, as  bad as they'd hate it, whoever's left from the battle HAS to retreat and go to King's Landing, where it's: team up with Cersei and the Lannister army + Golden Company or Westeros dies. 

Orrrr they have to fight to get INTO King's Landing, because Cersei won't let them in. 

 
hagmania said:
It isn't proven that Arya can, but she saw someone else using her face in Braavos.

I think Bran's mark will be tough to replicate though, so probably not going down like this.
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This is why I don’t think that it was actually her that was making the sechs on Gendry.

 
Maisie discusses her scene 

The 22-year-old Williams joined Thrones when she was 11 and has grown up in front of fans. Williams says the showrunners let her decide precisely how much to show. “David and Dan were like: ‘You can show as much or as little as you want,’” Williams says.

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Dempsie suggested the experience was strange for him too for given how long he’s known Williams, who’s about a decade younger than he is. “It’s obviously slightly strange for me because I’ve known Maisie since she was 11, 12 years old,” says the 31-year-old actor. “At the same time, I don’t want to be patronizing toward Maisie — she’s a 20-year-old woman. So we just had a lot of fun with it.”
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Capella said:
She’s suuuuuuuper dead. They may as well dig her grave now. 
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Disagree.  That scene was as much about Jaime's redemptive arc as about her ascension, happiness, etc.  He's a goner. Probably saving her.  Zero point zero % chance Jaime and Theon ever see anything south of Winterfell again imo.

 
The Duff Man said:
They are doing a good job showing how messed up humans are. 

Even in the face of annihilation people are trying to carve our their own piece of whatever is leftover should they win. 

Dany and Sansa especially. Jon seems to be the one who resists. 

Of course it is the same with Cersei. Although she is shrewd her plan of wiping up the winner of the battle is missing one critical fact. 

If NK wins.....his army doesn’t get weaker, it gets bigger. 

It feels to me like humans will be wiped off Westeros.  They all fight over the throne,  not recognizing that by not working together there will be no throne to fight over. 

Maybe Jon wins with the help of the Red God and since he is the only one who gets it the series ends with him smashing the throne and declaring Westeros a land of free people. 
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They should have a dragon melt it.

 
cap'n grunge said:
This. Tyrion the only one smart enough to sit down with Bran and pick his brain for any knowledge that may help against the coming threat.
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The whole Bran disclosure was frustrating. 

"He wants to kill the 3 eyed raven.  This has all happened before."

And yet they're all still alive and nobody's seen this guy in like 10,000 years.  Nobody thought a well-placed, "Go on..." would be appropriate there?  Really?

 
JShare87 said:
Agree. But one thing that really stood out to me was the look Dany gave Jon at the end. It was like, we’re going to deal with this incest/throne stuff later, but right now, I need you to go get the damn dragons. Anyone else notice that?
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Noticed it, but I'm thinking one of them is off to do some battlefield trick that no one sees coming.  It was almost like a "good luck, hope you don't die trying to pull that off."

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Disagree.  That scene was as much about Jaime's redemptive arc as about her ascension, happiness, etc.  He's a goner. Probably saving her.  Zero point zero % chance Jaime and Theon ever see anything south of Winterfell again imo.
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I don’t know about Jamie. I can see him coming full circle and wearing gold armor again, leading the kings guard for Danny. 

Came to winterfell wearing gold for Bob Baratheon, comes back to Winterfell dim, dark and looking defeated, only to return to Kings Landing once again back to his rightful place and redeemed. 

 
Pipes said:
Theon is actually the perfect person to "protect" Bran.  That person in charge of that is nothing more than a speed bump/sacrificial lamb.  Theon is perfect because he'll die heroically and "redeem" himself in the eyes of the Starks.  The NK isn't getting killed in a one on one combat.
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Agree.

But he's still not the Greyjoy you'd pick at 1.01.

 
EYLive said:
I don't think the NK tracks the 3eyed Raven by the way he looks. He always know where Bran is because he marked him already.
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Right, but if he's anything like my GPS than all bets are off within 20 yards.

 
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McJose said:
“Remember when Arya slit Meryn Trant’s throat?  And then Walder Frey’s and Little Finger’s?  Oh and then she poisoned an entire banquet hall of dudes?  She’s bad-###.”

”I can’t believe she told Gendry to take his pants off.  I remember when she was just a little tomboy running around Winterfell.  Gross.”
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It's different when you've seen someone grow up. She's like a family member. If you gave me a choice between watching my niece F a guy or watching her kill somebody - give me the latter. 

 
My guesses for next week, in order of confidence:

Hound survives (has to fight his brother)

Sam survives (he’s essentially the narrator)

Jaime dies (his arc is complete)

Brienne dies (same - I’m guessing she and Jaime go out together in a heroic last stand of sorts)

Arya survives (unfinished business with Cersei, her and Gendry ruling is a twist alternative to Jon and/or Dany coming out on top).
 
thecatch said:
My guesses for next week, in order of confidence:

Hound survives (has to fight his brother)

Sam survives (he’s essentially the narrator)

Jaime dies (his arc is complete)

Brienne dies (same - I’m guessing she and Jaime go out together in a heroic last stand of sorts)

Arya survives (unfinished business with Cersei, her and Gendry ruling is a twist alternative to Jon and/or Dany coming out on top).
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I could see almost all of that happening.

 
Billy Bats said:
I don’t know about Jamie. I can see him coming full circle and wearing gold armor again, leading the kings guard for Danny. 

Came to winterfell wearing gold for Bob Baratheon, comes back to Winterfell dim, dark and looking defeated, only to return to Kings Landing once again back to his rightful place and redeemed. 
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Good points. To take it further, as Jaimie he is no longer Kings Guard, he is the oldest male heir for House Lannister. What would happen if he bent the knee and pledged House Lannister to King Jon and/or Queen Dany? Cercei couldn't claim to be a Lannister Queen (if she even is). But then if they recognize Gendry as oldest Barretheon heir, and he bends the knee, Cercei can't claim to be a Baratheon Queen. Where would that leave her? Ruling Queen of No House?

 
I'd buy Jaime and Brienne going out together. 

Arya isn't going to marry a lord/king and rule and push out babies, though. That's not her.

 
thecatch said:
My guesses for next week, in order of confidence:

Hound survives (has to fight his brother)

Sam survives (he’s essentially the narrator)

Jaime dies (his arc is complete)

Brienne dies (same - I’m guessing she and Jaime go out together in a heroic last stand of sorts)

Arya survives (unfinished business with Cersei, her and Gendry ruling is a twist alternative to Jon and/or Dany coming out on top).
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I don't think it really matters who comes out on top and gets the crowned king.  The name of the show being Game of Thrones I think puts peoples focus on the wrong aspect.  That was just the name for the first book. It is the contest between the living and the dead and the song of ice and fire.  Not yet clear to me who that that reference is to (Jon or Dany though I lean Jon) and that is the big question.

In my mind there is no way they win this battle and almost everyone dies except a few who escape (namely Jon and Dany).  I also think Cersei is taken out by the dead when they show up after this battle.  There will be some twist on how they defeat them but I don't think it will happen this episode.  I think the whims of man keep getting in the way (such as Dany's obsession with taking the Throne) and helps lead to their defeat at Winterfell.      

 
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Redwes25 said:
I don't think it really matters who comes out on top and gets the crowned king.  The name of the show being Game of Thrones I think puts peoples focus on the wrong aspect.  That was just the name for the first book. It is the contest between the living and the dead and the song of ice and fire.  Not yet clear to me who that that reference is to (Jon or Dany though I lean Jon) and that is the big question.

In my mind there is no way they win this battle and almost everyone dies except a few who escape (namely Jon and Dany).  I also think Cersei is taken out by the dead when they show up after this battle.  There will be some twist on how they defeat them but I don't think it will happen this episode.  I think the whims of man keep getting in the way (such as Dany's obsession with taking the Throne) and helps lead to their defeat at Winterfell.      
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I'm starting to think Cersei never dies, or if she does she rules with the NK.  Match made in helz really.

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Even if the NK wins the Battle of Winterfell, that doesn't mean his dead army can't be weakened. Two dragons and lots of dragonglass and V-steel weapons can do lots of damage to the dead. 

I could see a scenario where, as  bad as they'd hate it, whoever's left from the battle HAS to retreat and go to King's Landing, where it's: team up with Cersei and the Lannister army + Golden Company or Westeros dies. 

Orrrr they have to fight to get INTO King's Landing, because Cersei won't let them in. 
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Couldn't the NK resurrect all of his fallen soldiers (or at least the ones not turned to dust) plus all the fresh kills from the living too?  After all there wouldn't be anyone around to burn the bodies of the dead. 

 
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Socrates11 said:
Good points. To take it further, as Jaimie he is no longer Kings Guard, he is the oldest male heir for House Lannister. What would happen if he bent the knee and pledged House Lannister to King Jon and/or Queen Dany? Cercei couldn't claim to be a Lannister Queen (if she even is). But then if they recognize Gendry as oldest Barretheon heir, and he bends the knee, Cercei can't claim to be a Baratheon Queen. Where would that leave her? Ruling Queen of No House?
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It's not like Cersei has any sort of "legitimate" claim anyhow, I don't think any of that would matter to her. 

 
Bob Sacamano said:
I'd buy Jaime and Brienne going out together. 

Arya isn't going to marry a lord/king and rule and push out babies, though. That's not her.
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I take your point. Arya surviving but being a queen or some other titled aristocrat while others who actually wanted that position were killed along the way would be a kind of “bittersweet” ending I could see happening, though. 

 
Redwes25 said:
I don't think it really matters who comes out on top and gets the crowned king.  The name of the show being Game of Thrones I think puts peoples focus on the wrong aspect.  That was just the name for the first book. It is the contest between the living and the dead and the song of ice and fire.  Not yet clear to me who that that reference is to (Jon or Dany though I lean Jon) and that is the big question.
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I don’t disagree with any of this. My comment was a guess as to who ends up ruling in the ashes of this, not a statement on who the true heroes of the story are. 

 
I think it would be pretty satisfying to see Sansa kill Cersei. 

I don't think the NK dies. His army is defeated but he slips away to the north and lives to fight another day. 

 
What do we think will happen to Varys?

He has nothing left to do. I could see him in the crypt, grabbing some dragonglass,  and trying to fend off a white walker, then dies

 
My quick thoughts:

I’m worried for Arya now that she did the deed. That occasionally is the marker that a character has ‘lost their edge’.

Dany is showing increasing signs of being a ‘Mad Queen’. 

Sansa is stone cold. When she didn’t back down from Dany and told her the North won’t bend the knee again was awesome. 

Theon, Brienne, Beric and Jorah are all toast. Their scenes were essentially farewell messages. 

I hope at some point in the battle, Ghost gives a howl, and Nymeria comes busting out of the forest with her pack. Of course, they all will die. 

 
No doubt this has been posted more than once but if it is a Song of Fire and Ice that could be reworded to a Song of John Snow. 

He is Fire and Ice.  I think the series is about him.

He will be the one to break the wheel. I like the idea of him getting a dragon to melt the Iron Throne. 

 
E Street Brat said:
So why is Ghost like normal size and Nymeria  is like horse size?  Did Nymeria  suckle from a giants teet also?
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Choose your favorite:

Ghost is a runt
The Riverlands has far more food than the North
Nymeria is named after a fabled Amazon-esque warrior queen
They kinda messed the CGI up in perspective
Sam and Jon are big bois

 
Did like the episode overall for what it was, but looking back did wish there was an "oh ####" moment - like the week before with Ned Umber.  Nothing really came out of nowhere, even at the very end. 

 
matttyl said:
Did like the episode overall for what it was, but looking back did wish there was an "oh ####" moment - like the week before with Ned Umber.  Nothing really came out of nowhere, even at the very end. 
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Pretty sure we will get a lot of "Oh s***!" Moments next week

 
The Duff Man said:
No doubt this has been posted more than once but if it is a Song of Fire and Ice that could be reworded to a Song of John Snow. 

He is Fire and Ice.  I think the series is about him.

He will be the one to break the wheel. I like the idea of him getting a dragon to melt the Iron Throne. 
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Perhaps its the "The Son of Ice and Fire" Now that fits Jon. 

Rheagar also has 3 children = the Three Headed Dragon. 

 
matttyl said:
Did like the episode overall for what it was, but looking back did wish there was an "oh ####" moment - like the week before with Ned Umber.  Nothing really came out of nowhere, even at the very end. 
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This episode was a bit too schmaltzy for my taste, but it was pretty well rendered schmaltz. I think there were a few critical plot points buried in there (along with some cryptastically obvious ones), but mostly it felt like fan service.

I don't think the Arya/Gendry thing was a throw away/titillation deal either. I figure she ends up keeping the Baratheon house alive with a kid, and in the epilogue portion of the final episode we see her kid Robert Baratheon get legitimized as the leader of the house by whoever ends up ruler of Westeros (with Gendry dead in the battle(s) - one part of the bitersweet ending).

 
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Redwes25 said:
I don't think it really matters who comes out on top and gets the crowned king.  The name of the show being Game of Thrones I think puts peoples focus on the wrong aspect.  That was just the name for the first book. It is the contest between the living and the dead and the song of ice and fire.  Not yet clear to me who that that reference is to (Jon or Dany though I lean Jon) and that is the big question.

In my mind there is no way they win this battle and almost everyone dies except a few who escape (namely Jon and Dany).  I also think Cersei is taken out by the dead when they show up after this battle.  There will be some twist on how they defeat them but I don't think it will happen this episode.  I think the whims of man keep getting in the way (such as Dany's obsession with taking the Throne) and helps lead to their defeat at Winterfell.      
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I always thought the song of fire and ice was a love story and Jon and Dany would survive to rule together, ice king fire queen.  Changing my prediction after these first two episodes tho:

I think Arya ends up killing Dany for some reason.

I think it has to be a family member who takes out Cersei.

 
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