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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (5 Viewers)

Yankee23Fan said:
The use of sound and silence in this episode was incredible.

I can't get over it. This was a clinic on sound editing, score writing, composition, tempo, cadence, mood and emotion. 
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This. Feel like the beautiful presentation more than made up for any plot inadequacies.

 
jhib said:
That was a frustrating scene.  I almost thought they decided on the lamest possible way to have Drogon die, so I was actually okay with it just being a way to separate him from her so she could share a human scene.
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Agree, although I did like the way the dead acted like ants attacking Drogon. 

 
TheFanatic said:
Here's an article from CNN about how only men get redemption arcs in Game of Thrones (and other popular shows/movies)

My eyes just rolled back in my head so hard, I now have a headache. 
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Ugh.  It's a pretty immature perspective to think that it's only a redemptive arc if another character explicitly says they're a good person.  I honestly don't know how you could have watched that episode thinking that Melisandre was less of a redeemed hero in the end than Theon was.  The actual words being used to express it in Theon's case made sense because of the personal relationship of the characters, not because he was a man.

More broadly, it can refer to our tendency to attribute full moral complexity to men, while being blind to it in women. (Though it usually still involves being overly sympathetic to sexual bad behavior in men -- how many male viewers of "Game of Thrones" identified with old Theon's tendency to frequent the Winterfell brothels?) For all the strong female characters emerging as leaders in the Westeros endgame -- and as Chanya Button says, aren't "strong female characters" boring? -- "Game of Thrones" has been himpathy on steroids.
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It's almost like the author completely ignores Daenerys vs Jon.  Which of those two characters has exhibited more moral complexity?  Jon is the "boring" one, isn't he?

And no mention of Yara, who was both redeemed as someone who once also ransacked the North (just more off screen) and whose sexual behavior is right up there with Theon's.

 
That might the dumbest article about a TV show trying to be serious that I have ever read.

Like, dumb enough to wonder if the author can walk and breathe at the same time.

Bran told Theon exactly what he needed to hear to do what he did. And Theon was already redeemed in a sense when Sansa forgave him. The hug she gave him when he came back was the redemption/forgiveness.

Bran manipulated him to give the Night King a false sense or arrogance that he could stop any Stark running at him.

 
Can someone remind me of something? In the scenes where Young Ned is riding to save his sister and arrives at the location where she is secreted away, didn't he have a riding partner? IIRC he did, yes?

It's just that in terms of power and plot-wise you've got Sam and Bran who know of the divination of Jon's real birth. Shouldn't there be one other person who was with Jon? 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Can someone remind me of something? In the scenes where Young Ned is riding to save his sister and arrives at the location where she is secreted away, didn't he have a riding partner? IIRC he did, yes?

It's just that in terms of power and plot-wise you've got Sam and Bran who know of the divination of Jon's real birth. Shouldn't there be one other person who was with Jon? 
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Howland Reed - Meera and Jojen's dad

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Can someone remind me of something? In the scenes where Young Ned is riding to save his sister and arrives at the location where she is secreted away, didn't he have a riding partner? IIRC he did, yes?

It's just that in terms of power and plot-wise you've got Sam and Bran who know of the divination of Jon's real birth. Shouldn't there be one other person who was with Jon? 
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Yup, Howland Reed (Meera’s dad). 

 
This CNN cub reporter just got the scoop that Westeros is kind of a lousy place, especially for women. STOP THE PRESSES.

She's really gonna lose it when she sees The Handmaid's Tale.

 
jhib said:
That was a frustrating scene.  I almost thought they decided on the lamest possible way to have Drogon die, so I was actually okay with it just being a way to separate him from her so she could share a human scene.
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edit - I can't read

 
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Wingnut said:
:lmao:

People actually think Jon was yelling GOOO! to Arya?

:lmao:

The subtitle on the screen when Jon yells at the dragon was simply "YELLS". He was literally just letting out a frustrated yell.

The last we saw Arya before she came in all Jordan on the NK, she was with the Red Witch and said "Not today", and left the room. Are you people assuming she somehow got the message to Jon that she was gonna stealth it into the garden to stab the NK, or saw her in en route (or in position) and yelled "GOOOO!"? Cuz if that was the case, Im pretty sure the NK, Bran, and the NKs posse would have heard that yell, too, (as well as the loud ### dragon screeching and destroying walls). But it was dead silent before Arya came flying in, so Jon (and the loud ### dragon) were a good distance from them, and he had no idea that the NK was about to cut Bran in half, or where exactly Arya was.

Ive seen some dumb theories, but this one takes the cake.
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This. 

Mario Kart said:
Lady of Bear Island
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:shock:

we rewatched on our iPad... much less dark. But also somehow much smaller.

it went by so fast for 90minutes. Loved it.

Frontal attack by Dothraki seems silly in retrospect, but still looked great. And other than drunk at a wedding, they were always going to be useless in a castle.

”man the walls!!” ...with Sam Tarly? Him being in the battle and not in crypts at all was just stupid, and put there so people could die trying to save him. Poor on the writers imo.

but wtf did they stop with the trebuchets? As soon as you see the Dothraki lights go out keep firing at will until you can’t.

when dany and dragon save John after nk raises the dead, couple problems. 1... she burns a path for John which is nice. Or she could have just picked him up and flown him to where he needs to be. and then....2...she just hangs out like nothing else is going on...like a battlgeound full of zombies. Oops, zombies.

When Arya jumps at the nk, not just the ww in the foreground has his hair flap in her wind...background ww does too. I had expected her to take out the nk, but also expected her to die doing it. Not sure what’s left to her arc in the story at this point...and yes, I think it’s jamie, not her, that kills Cersei. Because if its her, what’s left for Jamie?

Commentary above included- still loved it.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
When a baby gets turned into a baby White Walker, as we saw in the one episode...what's the deal there. Does it grow up like a normal human being? Do the other White Walkers train it or give it some sort of schooling?

Do they have houses? Or do they just stand around? Train to fight? Roam around the forests and #### North of the wall?
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I'm pretty sure he gets some basic schooling from the other White Walkers and then when old enough, the Night King has him pose with his uncle's javelin and pays off the right people to get him admitted to the University of Southern Dorne as a member of their track team.

Capella said:
Did the Night King really commit any crimes? 
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See above. 

Of course, he plead not guilty just like Littlefinger did, but Arya rejected his plea, too.

 
Is the Night King the true Night King? There may be a "true" King still behind the wall and he is just sending his troops forward. So, Westeros takes care of the greater army of Wights but not the true origin... thus, a long summer coming but the never ending cycle of winter always coming. Further, thus, the "longest" winter will be back in 1,000 years.

 
Mario Kart said:
Is the Night King the true Night King? There may be a "true" King still behind the wall and he is just sending his troops forward. So, Westeros takes care of the greater army of Wights but not the true origin... thus, a long summer coming but the never ending cycle of winter always coming. Further, thus, the "longest" winter will be back in 1,000 years.
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The ol guy behind the guy ploy.

 
rascal said:
Did you stream it?  There have been some comments about the darkness being due to the bandwidth compression.
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I didn't stream it last night. I watched the broadcast.

I didnt' really have a problem streaming it on Sun. thru HBOGO/Xbox One.  I have Verizon Fios.....and it seemed ok.  I usuallly go thru my televisions presets to see which one looks best (Movie mode was fine on Sun.)...but for some reason, last night just seemed alot lighter.  

 
Waingro said:
My initial reaction to watching this episode last week was shock. So much had happened in that hour and a half that my brain could not compute all that I had just watched. Ultimately I enjoyed the episode a ton. This past week though, I was keeping up with this thread, browsed Reddit, listened to podcasts, read articles - and I found myself feeling very critical of the episode. 

Finally got a chance to rewatch it last night and #### all that noise. 

This episode was excellent. There certainly are flaws, but pacing was perfect, the stakes were high and fully realized, the tone was spot on and the dragons were nothing short of bad ###. Going to just keep enjoying the ride. 
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Could not agree more with this. 

Last Sunday was a cinematic masterpiece from a television perspective. We won’t see anything like it on TV in many of our lifetimes. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Can someone remind me of something? In the scenes where Young Ned is riding to save his sister and arrives at the location where she is secreted away, didn't he have a riding partner? IIRC he did, yes?

It's just that in terms of power and plot-wise you've got Sam and Bran who know of the divination of Jon's real birth. Shouldn't there be one other person who was with Jon? 
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Yea that dude, the one we discussed for about 20 pages last week 😂

Be nice to see him put in an appearance over these next couple of episodes to legitimize Jon’s claim to the throne.

 
Warning...ep4 spoilers...

John, we have to talk.

- Dany

Gendry, we have to talk.

- Arya

Tyrion, we have to talk

- Sansa

Tormund, Jamie, we have to talk.

- brienne of tarts

Yuron, we have to talk.

- Cersei

Fin

 
El Floppo said:
Warning...ep4 spoilers...

John, we have to talk.

- Dany

Gendry, we have to talk.

- Arya

Tyrion, we have to talk

- Sansa

Tormund, Jamie, we have to talk.

- brienne of tarts

Yuron, we have to talk.

- Cersei

Fin
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Sapochnik is back to direct ep 5, so yeah probably a lot of talky talky, and next week is fighty fighty.

 
Ilov80s said:
Three options here:

1. It was a prophecy and Melisandre knew exactly what she meant from the beginning and Melisandre has always known how the war would end. Then this episode she reminded Arya.

2. It was originally just about killing lots of people but Melisandre has since had more visions which helped her to realize the role Arya would play and thus this was a way of delivering the same lines with a new prophecy.

3. Melisandre is a shuckster and she used that line as a way to get rid of Arya because she was scared of her.

I think we’ve seen enough to know number 3 isn’t it. 
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Hipple here - sorry.

I like #2 80's - but, with a small dose of #3 thrown in as well.

It pairs well with what @SaintsInDome2006 said earlier about Merlin, and the way older stories portrayed magicians as not being infallible and/or all-powerful. (Tell me if you disagree SID.)

I compared it to the Wyrd, and Merlin of Boorman's Excalibur. 

Now, I see Melisandre as a similar figure, who primarily relies on #2. She is able to see pieces - but, when dealing with fate, all variables are not yet set or constant. Yeah - I know that can be considered contradictory to "fate" - but, that is the eccentricity about it, that I was talking about earlier.

Just like Merlin screwed up because he was blind to certain data, so did Mel. Thus, she had to reply on a small amount of #3, because she cannot reveal her limitations/fallibilities - and remain effective. Same as Merlin. It is part of the mystery and contradiction inherent in such things ----- according to certain scholars. I'm certain others may read things differently though.

I'm not really sure; as that is not my area - but I really like it.

My $0.02.

 
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