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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

On troop size, I watched the 1st war council scene again.

Before the loss at sea, the Unsullied were at 50% strength.

I think the Northmen were at 50% also.

They mentioned a Dothraki faction, but I caught no numbers.

Plus, Jon is on the road, so he has not been impacted with his force yet. I'm guessing the Northmen are with him.

Best I can recall, I don't have time to pause.

 
Where are the Vale troops in your opinion?

I'm not really sure, though I thought someone mentioned that they did appear at Winterfell.


In that war council scene, someone's hand was shown swiping 50% of the Vale's forces off the map as well, I saw their sigil. But I always assumed they kept some troops at home in the Vale, who knows

 
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In that war council scene, someone's hand was shown swiping 50% of their forces off the as well, I saw their sigil. But I always assumed they kept some troops at home in the Vale, who knows
Thnx man.

In a way, I understand why the writers are not making this more clear.

The nerd in me wants numbers, but the story may be better with some uncertainty here.

I dunno. I'm willing to see where they go from here.

Edit.....before I judge.

 
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The early scene with the Hound & Sansa at the celebration slipped by me on the 1st go round. 

It is one of my favorite now. Hound sees she has greatly changed. She is no longer a little bird. He says the she did not have to go through it all. 

She holds his hand and says that she would still be that little bird if she had not gone through it. 

If this has been mentioned - oops. 

Also, an early scene when Arya & Hound meet on road to King's Landing. Hound asks if she will abandon him to die again (or something close) 

Arya replies that she would. Good. 

Hound laughs - Great. 

 
There are plans, and there's getting the drop- somehow- on the only aerial reconnaissance there is. Plus if he's hiding in a sneaky spot until they spot the dragons, they're all of a sudden under full sail in the exact same moment they do?

I don't mind them shooting down a dragon in a frontal attack or in defense after a dragon attack- makes more. It's the sneaky stuff that felt poorly written.
To me the bad writing was for Dany to be taking the risk to go to Dragonstone in the first place. I know she had dragons, but one of them was beat up and they knew Cersei had overwhelming naval superiority and that the fleet would be in that general vicinity. No reason not just to march down with the rest of the troops. The Iron Fleet hiding behind the island didn’t seem absurd to me. 

 
To me the bad writing was for Dany to be taking the risk to go to Dragonstone in the first place. I know she had dragons, but one of them was beat up and they knew Cersei had overwhelming naval superiority and that the fleet would be in that general vicinity. No reason not just to march down with the rest of the troops. The Iron Fleet hiding behind the island didn’t seem absurd to me. 
While we're picking nits, seems like Euron's fleet could've just wiped them all out then and there.

 
badmojo1006 said:
I think they can pivot but they can't go straight up. If she dive bombs them, she will wipe them out
Okay, that works on one, but while she dive bombs one the rest can fire on her 

 
I just re-watched with Mr Krista (by the way, could understand Missandei this time on her last word).  At Gendry’s proposal, he said, “Is this just the episode where everyone’s heart gets broken?”  And it is.  Gendry. Grey Worm. Dany. Brienne. Tormund.  Even Ghost.

I have a friend whose boyfriend proposed at the beginning or during halftime (don’t remember) of a Pistons game.  Had a couple of players help him with it, PA announcer, spotlights, everything.  She said no, in front of thousands of people.  It was still less awkward than Gendry’s proposal.

 
thecatch said:
To me the bad writing was for Dany to be taking the risk to go to Dragonstone in the first place. I know she had dragons, but one of them was beat up and they knew Cersei had overwhelming naval superiority and that the fleet would be in that general vicinity. No reason not just to march down with the rest of the troops. The Iron Fleet hiding behind the island didn’t seem absurd to me. 
The minute they went through their little map exercise telling you the main force was going by road and few people would go south on ships, you knew what was coming. Not the greatest writing there. Euron already ambushed and destroyed one fleet - who would expect him to do the same exact thing again?

Also seems like they're telegraphing Jon going south to die.

 
Martin's story showcasing that even after as Jon's speech said, man came together to set aside their differences for survival, they are even quicker to re-embrace conflict amongst themselves in the name of selfish power conquest.

 
Capella said:
How would she kill cersei? She was in cuffs. 

They made him a promise. It’s a debt. That would go against everything Tyrion has ever said about being a Lannister. 

I guess they’ll be waiting on Jon to get there. Sure next week will cover that. 
Kick her, trip her, etc. Just saying it was quite risky standing right at the edge best to a person you were about to execute.

He promised if they won the war to give him Highgarden. He didn’t promise him anything else. Also I guarantee you Bronn won’t get Highgarden.Tyrion doesn’t even have the power to grant that. Why would Bronn even think Tyrion could give him Highgarden?

Why would you show up to a battle scene with half your army/navy? What happens if say the enemy is waiting for you and sedisss to attack? Makes no sense.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
I agree that the ambush was dumb, how do you not scout ahead thousands of feet up.

But Dragonstone is the logical staging area for an assault on King's Landing imo. That's no surprise. 
Ah that’s where it was- thought it was Kings Lansing. That makes more sense but then why did they all go to KL at the end? What was stopping them from getting ambushed again?

 
Okay, that works on one, but while she dive bombs one the rest can fire on her 
Or, you do it at night since radar isn't a thing and AA has little chance.

Either the writers are simply trying to create more drama or they are intentionally highlighting the fact that the Mother of Dragons has dragons but no actual ability to lead an army.

 
It didn't sound like Dracaris to me but I guess it was.

No way does Arya kill the NK and Cersei. It'll be Jamie killing his sister, imo. Arya is there to help conclude the Hounds story.

I think Dany becoming the Mad Queen is a fake out but it's not like there's much time left. Maybe the obvious is the answer.

I like battles and all but like this part of GoT more.

It felt like a Monty Python sketch with the size of Dany's "army" approaching the castle. WTF?

What, you can't even pet Ghost before you leave? Jon can be a real ****.

I hope that's not the last of Tormund. He was awesome as usual. I wonder if the "####ting in my pants" line was taken from Howard Stern. Beetlejuice, the wack packer, used to blame other people when he #### his pants.

RIP Missandei...Top 5 for sure. :banned:

 
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You know who else could have prevented another dragon death?

How about that useless cripple that has the power to see the past and the ability to warg into animals and could have scouted out ahead with no risk?

Bran may be the greatest villain of them all. How many deaths could he have prevented by doing the bare minimum instead of just sitting there like a smarmy know-it-all?

Somebody should dump that little jerk onto the ground.

 
krista4 said:
This was my other question...were we supposed to understand what she said as her last words?  Sorry if (probably) stupid question.  I'm new to all this and miss a lot of stuff.
Sorry... Already covered by others and I can't delete from my phone.

The minute they went through their little map exercise telling you the main force was going by road and few people would go south on ships, you knew what was coming. Not the greatest writing there. Euron already ambushed and destroyed one fleet - who would expect him to do the same exact thing again?

Also seems like they're telegraphing Jon going south to die.
Tbf, euron blowed up the fleet twice- taking yara prisoner, and then at Lannister castle making unsullied walk to high garden. Fool me once, shame on me etc, fool me three times, shame shame shame shame...

And...he blows up the ships and dragon, and leaves the rest alive and floating? And then let's them sail to Kings landing? Or am I misremembering that dragonstone is an island?

No way does Arya kill the NK and Cersei. It'll be Jamie killing his sister, imo. Arya is there to help conclude the Hounds story.

I think Dany becoming the Mad Queen is a fake out but it's not like there's much time left. Maybe the obvious is the answer.

I like battles and all but like this part of GoT more.

It felt like a Monty Python sketch with the size of Dany's "army" approaching the castle. WTF?

What, you can't even pet Ghost before you leave? Jon can be a real ****.

I hope that's not the last of Tormund. He was awesome as usual.. 
:goodposting:

What if there's a hound mountain battle, hound escapes but dies out of sight with Arya. She takes his face and has a trial by combat with the Mountain as the hound, wins but is also mortally wounded.  wala.

 
All those funeral pyres sure took a lot of wood that might be better used keeping the north warm through the long winter that is now completely harmless.

Shoulda just piled them up and let the dragon have at em.  Such a waste!

 
All those funeral pyres sure took a lot of wood that might be better used keeping the north warm through the long winter that is now completely harmless.

Shoulda just piled them up and let the dragon have at em.  Such a waste!
Lol...ashamed to say I thought the exact same thing. Lots of fuel/repairs lost and lots of time chopping that stuff down and making the pyres.

 
You know who else could have prevented another dragon death?

How about that useless cripple that has the power to see the past and the ability to warg into animals and could have scouted out ahead with no risk?

Bran may be the greatest villain of them all. How many deaths could he have prevented by doing the bare minimum instead of just sitting there like a smarmy know-it-all?

Somebody should dump that little jerk onto the ground.
Exactly. He can go back and see  the past. Should have been easy for him to go and see what Cersei had been up to. Another thing they have a faceless assassin, why not work together with her and see if she can kill Cersei quick and easy before charging in?

 
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You know who else could have prevented another dragon death?

How about that useless cripple that has the power to see the past and the ability to warg into animals and could have scouted out ahead with no risk?

Bran may be the greatest villain of them all. How many deaths could he have prevented by doing the bare minimum instead of just sitting there like a smarmy know-it-all?

Somebody should dump that little jerk onto the ground.
Amen...the worse part is Bran is the one character I feel like at this point who is sure to survive. He's worthless.

 
You know who else could have prevented another dragon death?

How about that useless cripple that has the power to see the past and the ability to warg into animals and could have scouted out ahead with no risk?

Bran may be the greatest villain of them all. How many deaths could he have prevented by doing the bare minimum instead of just sitting there like a smarmy know-it-all?

Somebody should dump that little jerk onto the ground.
That wouldn't be consistent with his three-eyed-raven schtick.  He's not interested in thrones, wars and affairs of men. He's said he is no longer Brandon Stark and told Tyrion he won't be the Lord of Winterfell. Now that the NK is gone, I'm not sure what his purpose is.

 
Amen...the worse part is Bran is the one character I feel like at this point who is sure to survive. He's worthless.
Well, he did draw the Night King in, which allowed Arya to surprise him and kill him, but that actor has the easiest job ever.  Sit in a chair, give that "I know what you don't know" look, say the occasional line, and roll your eyes once in a while. 

 
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That wouldn't be consistent with his three-eyed-raven schtick.  He's not interested in thrones, wars and affairs of men. He's said he is no longer Brandon Stark and told Tyrion he won't be the Lord of Winterfell. Now that the NK is gone, I'm not sure what his purpose is.
Then why did he go look into Jon's past then?

 
Exactly. He can go back and see  the past. Should have been easy for him to go and see what Cersei had been up to. Another thing they have a faceless assassin, why not work together with her and see if she can kill Cersei quick and easy before charging in?
Because then the TV show/books aren't any good? 

 


You know who else could have prevented another dragon death?

How about that useless cripple that has the power to see the past and the ability to warg into animals and could have scouted out ahead with no risk?

Bran may be the greatest villain of them all. How many deaths could he have prevented by doing the bare minimum instead of just sitting there like a smarmy know-it-all?

Somebody should dump that little jerk onto the ground.
Bran is done as a story line, he lives in the past basically...

 
Sorry... Already covered by others and I can't delete from my phone.

Tbf, euron blowed up the fleet twice- taking yara prisoner, and then at Lannister castle making unsullied walk to high garden. Fool me once, shame on me etc, fool me three times, shame shame shame shame...

And...he blows up the ships and dragon, and leaves the rest alive and floating? And then let's them sail to Kings landing? Or am I misremembering that dragonstone is an island?

:goodposting:

What if there's a hound mountain battle, hound escapes but dies out of sight with Arya. She takes his face and has a trial by combat with the Mountain as the hound, wins but is also mortally wounded.  wala.
Please not another trial by combat.  Honestly dont see Cersei giving them that chance anyway.  

It did almost feel like there was a something unsaid from Arya after the Hound asked if she would leave him again - "after I steal your face". 

I could see a Hound/Mountain battle, mountain wounded and Hound mortally so, Arya finishes the Mountain and paves the way for Jaime to get to Cersei.  

 
Please not another trial by combat.  Honestly dont see Cersei giving them that chance anyway.  

It did almost feel like there was a something unsaid from Arya after the Hound asked if she would leave him again - "after I steal your face". 

I could see a Hound/Mountain battle, mountain wounded and Hound mortally so, Arya finishes the Mountain and paves the way for Jaime to get to Cersei.  
Yep.

And agree- not hoping for a trial by combat here.

 
Agree with the following things already mentioned:

- Jaimie is going to kill Cersei (but also die in the process)

- The hound loses to the Mountain and Arya finishes the Mountain off. This is her last kill.

Additional predictions:

- Yara shows up and takes out Euron

- We see Sansa and an army (from where I'm not sure) arrive at King's Landing to help save the day

- Dany loses her last dragon, she is emotionally defeated, and she gives up her claim to Jon for the good of the people

 

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