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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (9 Viewers)

That was my take as well - that they felt they didn't show that final push that sent her over the edge, and that Varys went out like a chump, etc..    
I think maybe a scene or two of danny riding the dragon setting the city aflame yelling dracrys and burn them all manically laughing....then maybe crying at the end would of been cool

The innernet complainers on this episide dont have much imo.....perhaps the best non book episode yet.....

 
How did Tyrion get away with freeing Jaimie. At some point the guards return. 

Hmmm, the prisoner is gone, who was the last person with him?

I don’t get that. 

Should have had the guards bring him to the Hand when he was got caught and leave Dany unaware. 

 
I don't think they're criticizing the choices made about characters. One of them said they had taken Dany to the edge nigh on perfectly, and that they refused to show the push over that precipice.
This episode started with that final push. 

Last episode had tyrion and varys discussing it. That was the precipice. But it had been brewing a long time.  Varys thought she had lost it when she killed the tarleys.  Tyrion didn't want to believe him.  The evidence was all there.  We saw her say some crazy things the last season and change.  

This episode started with Varys telling anyone who would listen about jon. He may have been trying to poison her. He clearly was trying to undermine her.  

Tyrion told her she'd been betrayed and she said by jon? No, varys. Yeah well, jon told sansa, sansa told you and you told varys. 

And you could tell that he was scared of her as he explained that as hand he had to tell the master of whispers and maybe i made a mistake but but but...

And she said why did sansa tell you?  

She knew her monarchy was over before it started. But she still had a dragon.

Then she literally told him her plan to burn down king's landing. And that wasn't some crazy unexpected thing.  It was just that he wanted her to be better than that.  A good queen. 

And she responded that she was being merciful by making sure nobody would ever be ruled by a tyrant again ever. 

She was breaking the wheel.  Like she said she would 3 seasons ago. 

Tyrion didn't like her plan and wanted to give the city a chance to surrender, but as she said to jon later in the episode, her claim was already irreparably weakened.  She would have to rule by fear. 

And she was fine until the bells. 

Remember varys and tyrion talking about the bells?  I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror.  A dead king,  a city under seige... A wedding?... Exactly. 

The show told us this was coming.  They showed the throne room burned down with ashes falling.  Danny literally told us exactly what she was going to do. It wasn't until we saw it that we realized just how awful it was.  It wasn't a bunch of soldiers and also some commoners.  She went street by street through that huge city and burned it to the ground.  And then we realized what it had meant to be cheering for the dragon queen to go home and conquer the seven kingdoms.  

I love it. 

 
yeah, like it or not, they basically laid out what Dany was going to do. Every chance she had, she would tell anyone listening she was going to take what was hers with fire. She did. I dont get the people that are saying it is out of character

She saved people across the sea. She wanted Westeros for herself and was going to do whatever it takes to get it.

 
Still trying to interpret the Arya situation.  I would have bet a lot she was going to take Jamie's face and finish cersi.  She walked all the way next to the room she was then backs all the way back out.  

Cersi basically had no role here but to cry.  An Arya cersi scene would have had more value.  

 
How did Tyrion get away with freeing Jaimie. At some point the guards return. 

Hmmm, the prisoner is gone, who was the last person with him?

I don’t get that. 

Should have had the guards bring him to the Hand when he was got caught and leave Dany unaware. 
I doubt it’s a coincidence that Dany waited until the bells to unleash hell.  I’m sure she thought Tyrion double crossed her on last time and that she truly was alone with her dragon.

 
On my dead/alive list I was way wrong on Greyworm and Missandei and I said Onion Knight would die but he's still around.  I think I have almost everything else still in play.

 
Still trying to interpret the Arya situation.  I would have bet a lot she was going to take Jamie's face and finish cersi.  She walked all the way next to the room she was then backs all the way back out.  

Cersi basically had no role here but to cry.  An Arya cersi scene would have had more value.  
Sandor basically told her, without actually spelling it out, that a life of revenge focused on that revenge above all isn't a life.  He was going to die without having ever lived for anything other than that revenge.  And he begged her not to become him.

As much as I love Arya, I could see her not even being in the final episode until the very end when she rides up to Stormsend.  They could show her accepting that a life of revenge is not her either.

 
Sansa's actions also make sense if we consider the discussion they did not show.

S: Tyrion, Jon told Dany this.

T: And what did she say?

S: She said keep it a secret.

-->> At that point the question of what Dany is answers itself, for both Sansa and Tyrion.

 
I think maybe a scene or two of danny riding the dragon setting the city aflame yelling dracrys and burn them all manically laughing....then maybe crying at the end would of been cool

The innernet complainers on this episide dont have much imo.....perhaps the best non book episode yet.....
Still dont agree with the last part.  I have liked a couple of the other set up episodes this season better.  :shrug:

 
This episode started with that final push. 

Last episode had tyrion and varys discussing it. That was the precipice. But it had been brewing a long time.  Varys thought she had lost it when she killed the tarleys.  Tyrion didn't want to believe him.  The evidence was all there.  We saw her say some crazy things the last season and change.  

This episode started with Varys telling anyone who would listen about jon. He may have been trying to poison her. He clearly was trying to undermine her.  

Tyrion told her she'd been betrayed and she said by jon? No, varys. Yeah well, jon told sansa, sansa told you and you told varys. 

And you could tell that he was scared of her as he explained that as hand he had to tell the master of whispers and maybe i made a mistake but but but...

And she said why did sansa tell you?  

She knew her monarchy was over before it started. But she still had a dragon.

Then she literally told him her plan to burn down king's landing. And that wasn't some crazy unexpected thing.  It was just that he wanted her to be better than that.  A good queen. 

And she responded that she was being merciful by making sure nobody would ever be ruled by a tyrant again ever. 

She was breaking the wheel.  Like she said she would 3 seasons ago. 

Tyrion didn't like her plan and wanted to give the city a chance to surrender, but as she said to jon later in the episode, her claim was already irreparably weakened.  She would have to rule by fear. 

And she was fine until the bells. 

Remember varys and tyrion talking about the bells?  I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror.  A dead king,  a city under seige... A wedding?... Exactly. 

The show told us this was coming.  They showed the throne room burned down with ashes falling.  Danny literally told us exactly what she was going to do. It wasn't until we saw it that we realized just how awful it was.  It wasn't a bunch of soldiers and also some commoners.  She went street by street through that huge city and burned it to the ground.  And then we realized what it had meant to be cheering for the dragon queen to go home and conquer the seven kingdoms.  

I love it. 
I have no problem with it happening - I think it's an excellent way to take Dany. I just disagree that the following is in any way a good portrayal of snapping to Mad Queen

*Rout of King's Landing*

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

bells ring signifying surrender

Dany: yeah lemme kill all these smallfolk

 
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Still dont agree with the last part.  I have liked a couple of the other set up episodes this season better.  :shrug:
Thats fine....but you seem like everything sucks since we past the books guy.....

Hardhomme was sweet...battle of bastards....dragon knocks down the wall

The web is being wsy too hard on this past episode....i loved it....alot more than the battle vs the dead one

 
I have no problem with it happening - I think it's an excellent way to take Dany. I just disagree that the following is in any way a good portrayal of snapping to Mad Queen

*Rout of King's Landing*

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

bells ring signifying surrender

Dany: yeah lemme kill all these smallfolk
But at the beginning of the episode she didn't have makeup on and her hair was messed up. She'd really gone off the reservation.

 
Jaime & Cersei death was a total cop out by the writers. 

Actually the farther we get in the more I'm starting to wonder if that should just be put on the whole season. 

 
Thats fine....but you seem like everything sucks since we past the books guy.....

Hardhomme was sweet...battle of bastards....dragon knocks down the wall

The web is being wsy too hard on this past episode....i loved it....alot more than the battle vs the dead one
Not really accurate for the first part, but I get it- most critical of the show get painted that way.  

There have been flashes of brilliance for sure, but yeah- 99% of the time books are better than tv/movies.  Completely different mediums.  

 
I have no problem with it happening - I think it's an excellent way to take Dany. I just disagree that the following is in any way a good portrayal of snapping to Mad Queen

*Rout of King's Landing*

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

bells ring signifying surrender

Dany: yeah lemme kill all these smallfolk
Dany had bloodlust and lost her ####. Since the very first time she gained some power and influence as Drogo's wife, she's been flexing on everyone. By season 2, she was threatening everyone with dragonfire. She likes to burn people and doesn't flinch when her dragons torch her enemies. That look she got when the bells rang was one of frustration (Jon wouldn't give her the D and she wasn't satisfied burning a bunch of ships) so she said "F it", I'm blasting this joint. I don't know if she's Mad King level crazy but she's got that Targaryen temper and isn't fit to rule, as everyone knows.

 
Sansa's actions also make sense if we consider the discussion they did not show.

S: Tyrion, Jon told Dany this.

T: And what did she say?

S: She said keep it a secret.

-->> At that point the question of what Dany is answers itself, for both Sansa and Tyrion.
This is probably an issue cramming this into 6 episodes.  

If she was always going to spill they had like 15 minutes of screen time to make it happen on screen or otherwise it wasn't going to.

I think the question probably is how compelling will the rest of Westeros find his letter.  I suppose that's the last episode in a nutshell.

 
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She was sitting there calmly waiting to hear the surrender and then decided to kill them all?  Not just doing to from the start?  What made her mad hearing the surrender bells?  They just needed a way to show us because they didn’t build it up enough because they rushed they end of the show. 
I took at as her replaying all the bad advice Tyrion had given her of late in her head and not wanting to fall for a trap. Unfortunately (most likely) for her Tyrion finally got something right again. 

 
Dany had bloodlust and lost her ####. Since the very first time she gained some power and influence as Drogo's wife, she's been flexing on everyone. By season 2, she was threatening everyone with dragonfire. She likes to burn people and doesn't flinch when her dragons torch her enemies. That look she got when the bells rang was one of frustration (Jon wouldn't give her the D and she wasn't satisfied burning a bunch of ships) so she said "F it", I'm blasting this joint. I don't know if she's Mad King level crazy but she's got that Targaryen temper and isn't fit to rule, as everyone knows.
Remember when she got so shook from her dragon torching one little kid that she locked them in a vault for a season or two (?). She's always been pretty brutal towards people that she felt were against her, or were unjust in some way. Cool. And being the "breaker of chains", she's always leveraged fighting against slavery, oppression, etc. to get the commonfolk on her side. Remember when she crowd-surfed via the thankful people in Essos? That's kind of her main MO. Doesn't make sense to just completely flip like that. I can't buy it.

 
I took at as her replaying all the bad advice Tyrion had given her of late in her head and not wanting to fall for a trap. Unfortunately (most likely) for her Tyrion finally got something right again. 
He's got a low AVG high SLG sabermetric 

 
I have no problem with it happening - I think it's an excellent way to take Dany. I just disagree that the following is in any way a good portrayal of snapping to Mad Queen

*Rout of King's Landing*

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

Dany: doesn't kill civilians

bells ring signifying surrender

Dany: yeah lemme kill all these smallfolk
She had already torched the outer perimeter at that point.  Cersei was looking out at the flames but she was a long way away from the red keep.  The bells started ringing, AnGrey Worm had the gold company guys cornered, and dany sat on drogon on the roof of some building, looking like she was deciding just how mad she was.  I've seen that look before, and it never seems to end with "i've decided you were right and i'm not going to push this any further". 

 
I took at as her replaying all the bad advice Tyrion had given her of late in her head and not wanting to fall for a trap. Unfortunately (most likely) for her Tyrion finally got something right again. 
Maybe - I was looking at more like (1) she just lost her ****, which isn't impossible just not that satisfying, or (2) what I'm going with given the context of the season specifically, that she realized in that moment she won, but unlike the other times when she was a hero, the people here aren't going to love her and it's going to be all wine and roses in this empire the way it was in the other one, and if she tried to make that happen it would fail.  And since it's going to fail, without love, fear is all she has.  So make them fear me.

 
Jaime & Cersei death was a total cop out by the writers. 

Actually the farther we get in the more I'm starting to wonder if that should just be put on the whole season. 
I personally thought it was a perfect ending to these two love birds.  

 
Maybe - I was looking at more like (1) she just lost her ****, which isn't impossible just not that satisfying, or (2) what I'm going with given the context of the season specifically, that she realized in that moment she won, but unlike the other times when she was a hero, the people here aren't going to love her and it's going to be all wine and roses in this empire the way it was in the other one, and if she tried to make that happen it would fail.  And since it's going to fail, without love, fear is all she has.  So make them fear me.
Yeah, the 17 people left alive are gonna be scared ####less.

 
Remember when she got so shook from her dragon torching one little kid that she locked them in a vault for a season or two (?). She's always been pretty brutal towards people that she felt were against her, or were unjust in some way. Cool. And being the "breaker of chains", she's always leveraged fighting against slavery, oppression, etc. to get the commonfolk on her side. Remember when she crowd-surfed via the thankful people in Essos? That's kind of her main MO. Doesn't make sense to just completely flip like that. I can't buy it.
Sure, she's always been kind to slaves and innocents. It's what got Varys and Tyrion (and to a lesser extent Selmy and Mormont) to serve her. But she's definitely got the unforgiving merciless side when it comes to enemies. As soon as she landed in Westeros she found out that people don't love her and that only pissed her off even more. I think this rage and frustration has been building for quite some time and it wasn't a sudden flip in character.

 
Also what was the deal with the white horse at the end?  I figured it was Bran via warg coming to get her but I haven't seen any mention of that possibility. Was there something else about that horse we were supposed to know? Or was it just a cool visual they wanted to use?
Obviously, it was Syrio Forel in disguise.

 
Remember when she got so shook from her dragon torching one little kid that she locked them in a vault for a season or two (?). She's always been pretty brutal towards people that she felt were against her, or were unjust in some way. Cool. And being the "breaker of chains", she's always leveraged fighting against slavery, oppression, etc. to get the commonfolk on her side. Remember when she crowd-surfed via the thankful people in Essos? That's kind of her main MO. Doesn't make sense to just completely flip like that. I can't buy it.
That was a long time ago.  She had 3 healthy dragons and a ton of support behind her then.  She's now feeling alone, vulnerable and she's become fully corrupted by power.  It's in her DNA to go full on psycho.  What's to say this wasn't her main MO and the whole breaker of chains things was her trying to be someone she is not. and eventually she couldn't control it anymore.  One can only put on an act for so long and she has the Targ blood in her. 

 

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