Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter belljr
- Start date
Capella
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Wayyyyyyyyy to much creativity for this writing duo.Saw an interesting theory that makes good sense, on how GoT history could repeat itself and come full circle:
A “mad” Targaryen was in charge: Aerys → Daenerys
A Stark is taken prisoner: Lyanna Stark is “stolen” → Dany accuses Sansa of treason (or Jon, even)
The Starks and Baratheons team up to rebel: Ned + Robert → Jon/Sansa/Arya + Gendry
A Lannister will betray the ruler to deal the finishing blow: Jaime → Tyrion
A Baratheon ends up on the Iron Throne: Robert → Gendry
Last edited by a moderator:
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Just watched from the tolling of the bells again....it gets better each time for me.
I'm gonna miss this show.
I'm gonna miss this show.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. While a few criticisms are valid about this season, the over the top criticism from many is just making me laugh.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Son of a Flea Bottom whore with zero proof and no witnesses to his lineage becomes king of the realm. That’s hopefully too much for even these writers.Saw an interesting theory that makes good sense, on how GoT history could repeat itself and come full circle:
A “mad” Targaryen was in charge: Aerys → Daenerys
A Stark is taken prisoner: Lyanna Stark is “stolen” → Dany accuses Sansa of treason (or Jon, even)
The Starks and Baratheons team up to rebel: Ned + Robert → Jon/Sansa/Arya + Gendry
A Lannister will betray the ruler to deal the finishing blow: Jaime → Tyrion
A Baratheon ends up on the Iron Throne: Robert → Gendry
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
If they just stretched out the one episode into 3 or more I would agree but I am not talking about the battle itself. It would have been good to build up the terror a bit, with survivors from outposts reporting of the atrocities. Maybe a few rogue white walkers making their way into Winterfell before the major battle, wreaking havoc and ratcheting up the fear of Dany's army, maybe some deserters being turned into walkers after being tortured by the NK and returning to Winterfell as zombies.
Kings Landing was basically ignored in the first half of this season. It would have been good to see Cersei getting reports of the NK's advances and preparing for the possibility of the Dead's victory. I would have liked to see the drama of Jaime's return to Winterfell go a little longer, perhaps put into jail to stew a bit and Cersei getting reports that he is on trial.
It just seemed to me that the entire show was the coming of the dead and to have it over in one night was a bit rushed.
Weebs210
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
As rushed as it feels, and despite the criticisms I've had, I still don't think this is the worst season. I will take all of this over all the Bran dragged through the forest, Dany chilling in Essos, Sand snakes, and Ramsey torture stuff we had not too long ago.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Of course I am. Is it as great as the early seasons? No, but it’s not an issue. It’s still really good, a few quibbles aside.
Last edited by a moderator:
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'm pretty excited to watch this again some day, knowing how things end.
Some characters will be dead ends, and that's frustrating. Like ned and robb before - on second watch when you know they're not the main characters it changes the whole story.
But if you rewatch a comparatively minor character like beric donderian knowing he dies as a human shield for arya so she can kill the nk, then when you see ned put him in motion early, and when the brotherhood finds arya, and when they save the hound and let him go then arya goes with him, and he delivers gendry to mellisandre... his whole arc makes sense now. He put things in place for the LoL.
Which makes me suspect something that has been discussed before and may be a major reveal in the final episode.
But we shall see.
Some characters will be dead ends, and that's frustrating. Like ned and robb before - on second watch when you know they're not the main characters it changes the whole story.
But if you rewatch a comparatively minor character like beric donderian knowing he dies as a human shield for arya so she can kill the nk, then when you see ned put him in motion early, and when the brotherhood finds arya, and when they save the hound and let him go then arya goes with him, and he delivers gendry to mellisandre... his whole arc makes sense now. He put things in place for the LoL.
Which makes me suspect something that has been discussed before and may be a major reveal in the final episode.
But we shall see.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
The rewatch is much more enjoyable than the original with this show simply because you know wtf is going on and how everything ties together. There are so many seemingly separate paths that it's easy to get lost when watching it the first time.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
The three eyed raven is the LoL
Which leads to a bunch of other interesting stuff
The lord of light vs the night king
Getting arya and all the other pieces into place
Sharing his visions with people
The old gods and the lord of light both use the big trees
The old 3 eyed raven turned to a cloud of black smoke when he was killed
It fits thematically. Fire and ice, light vs dark, bran vs the night king
It also may hint at Bran being the many faced god. He's just the current face.
The red witch changed her face too
Arya was a servant of the lord of light and the many faced god
We might also see the plan resolved.
King's landing is gone
The targaryens - the only valerians that survived the doom - may be gone. Or not.
The dragons gone. Or not.
Bran might be gone
All of the armies are gone
Maybe we get some real closure and find out all of this was a battle between light and darkness.
Maybe we even find out about the seven - father mother warrior stranger crone Smith maiden - are represented by arya the stranger, the mother of dragons, jon the warrior, gendry the Smith, sansa the maiden, ned the father and mellisandre the crone. Or something like that.
I don't know the we'll get any or all of that formally resolved in the show or the books but the bran/LoL thing seems likely
Which leads to a bunch of other interesting stuff
The lord of light vs the night king
Getting arya and all the other pieces into place
Sharing his visions with people
The old gods and the lord of light both use the big trees
The old 3 eyed raven turned to a cloud of black smoke when he was killed
It fits thematically. Fire and ice, light vs dark, bran vs the night king
It also may hint at Bran being the many faced god. He's just the current face.
The red witch changed her face too
Arya was a servant of the lord of light and the many faced god
We might also see the plan resolved.
King's landing is gone
The targaryens - the only valerians that survived the doom - may be gone. Or not.
The dragons gone. Or not.
Bran might be gone
All of the armies are gone
Maybe we get some real closure and find out all of this was a battle between light and darkness.
Maybe we even find out about the seven - father mother warrior stranger crone Smith maiden - are represented by arya the stranger, the mother of dragons, jon the warrior, gendry the Smith, sansa the maiden, ned the father and mellisandre the crone. Or something like that.
I don't know the we'll get any or all of that formally resolved in the show or the books but the bran/LoL thing seems likely
Last edited by a moderator:
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I listened to the last one. Most of it wasn't bad. He didn't do any of this, though he beat the 3 minute string of Aenys jokes to death. And missed the most obvious one he could have made.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
In response, I’ve started a counter-petition to not remake the season. I’ve not signed it myself, because I don’t need any signatures to achieve my goal.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
It will be good that this Sunday will be the end--if nothing more than to end the theories. Jeez.
Capella
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
bostonfred
Footballguy
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Can you imagine the outcry from fans if there was a red wedding equivalent this season? We forget what made this series great: Unpredictable and horrible actions in the pursuit of power.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That'd be great if it happened while also being consistent with how the characters have been developed so far.
bostonfred
Footballguy
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Freys killing Robb wasn't unpredictable. Ned getting killed wasn't unpredictable. Dany, based on all her past actions, burning 1000s of innocents was unpredictable. This is the issue people have with the past episode. They aren't complaining about Dany breaking bad - they are complaining that it was completely out of nowhere. I mean, if Arya all of a sudden murdered Sansa and Jon you wouldn't say "well, she has been training to be a killer - what did you expect?" which is basically the handwaving people are getting regarding Daenerys.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I have no problem with the overall direction in this case, I'd buy it a bit more if they'd spent more time showing her getting rejected by the general populace in Westeros. They showed this a bit in a couple of scenes when she was at Winterfell. A few more scenes like that would have given a bit more credence to the notion of her getting fed up with their opposition and blowing them all away. Probably would have done it if they'd allowed themselves more time to complete the series.
Last edited by a moderator:
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yeah, not sure why this is such a hard concept.
Sam turning and murdering all the players left and ascending the throne would be shocking, but would make 0 sense.
The Red Wedding wasn't shocking to be shocking, nor was headless Ned, Oberyns death, etc....
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Dear Lord of Light, please let this be true.
Could be an all-time wacky moment if Jaime gets out of the rubble and trudges back to Brienne.
Could be an all-time wacky moment if Jaime gets out of the rubble and trudges back to Brienne.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
OK, I posted earlier that I agreed 100% with this, but I did not have the time or words (yet) to elaborate. Also, I have fallen way behind in this thread, so I apologize if I say something already covered.
In my opinion, A Song of Ice and Fire can be read as a response to Malory's Le Morte d'Arthur.
Malory's tale of Arthur ends with his journey to Avalon and a promise for the return of a/the King. In this piece, the King and the Land are one. Arthur, imo, represents the rise of Christianity over paganism in the British Isles. This includes the disappearance of the pagan "old magic" as well.
In ASOIAF, the new religion (The Seven) has already been in place for a long while. The old paganism religions/cults of Ice & Fire, while not dead, are definitely in recession. This can be seen to be a time after the King departs - waiting for a return.
Thus, I see GRRM responding by addressing the King's Return. However, the Pagan (Ice & Fire) element and what that means for the Land is not necessarily the great joyous event hoped for.
Therefore, I don't see any particular character as the primary subject of the tale. Rather, I see the tale as a modern reply to an age old trope - Old vs. New....Pagan vs. Christian...Magic vs. Science.
I think he takes many of the Arthurian (& other old myths) elements, and - like a great jazz player - weaves them in new and interesting ways, but all along, he is still singing a similar song...a song about the times before memory and their return to the known.
Well, this is the story I read and watch...and it is one of the reasons that I don't get too involved in TV show critiquing. I am most absorbed by the new direction and method that such an old tale is newly sung. Even if D&D butcher some details, I trust that GRRM has enough voice left irt the series, that this part of the song remains true to his vision.
I dunno. Sunday will be fun.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Oh - I concede - Jaime is dead. 
I am still processing my thoughts on his arc.
I may post about it, if I can clear some things in my own head up a little.
I am still processing my thoughts on his arc.
I may post about it, if I can clear some things in my own head up a little.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
So much fer clear'n my head. 
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
If Brienne is preggerz I am jumping through the ####### window in happiness.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Touching briefly on my Arthurian theory --- Brienne is Perceval, imo.
She shall find or shall be the Holy Grail.
Could that involve Jaime's son or daughter?
I like that thought very much.
