Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (5 Viewers)

[timschochet]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

 

[dhockster]

Waiter: "How would you like your Harpy prepared?"

Mereen Citizen: "I would like it dragonfire-seared but still pink on the inside."

Waiter: "Excellent. We have a dragon on hand who can do that quite nicely."

I thought the flaming Harpy's were great.

Also loved the Queen's lover saying how he would definitely bet on the smaller guy, and then the smaller guy gets his head chopped off.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Can we get a separate thread for people who get butt hurt about the brutality of this show?

WAAAAAAHHHH SANSA GOT RAPED. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

OMG SCALEFACE GOT BURNT. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

MERLIN TRANT IS A PEDO. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

Jesus Christ people it's a show about despicable people doing despicable things to gain power

So.... this isn't a thread about the show, it's characters, and what they are doing?

I guess sorry for ruining your rapey, pedi, child burning good times?

 

[KarmaPolice]

So, what exactly are they getting out of Shireen's death?

Sex = smoke babies

Leaches = I guess guaranteeing that death comes to the people named

Burning alive = ? Just an upcoming battle victory?

So far it seems as though leeching is the way to go - why not do that and just name Ramsay and Roose?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Does Trant recognize Arya?

I think he recognizes her from the dock and is a bit befuddled why he's seen this random girl three or four times since he's gotten there.

I thought Arya was gonna step up and play the role of under aged prostitute to get close enough to Trant to kill him.

Is he on her list?

Did anyone seriously remember who the hell that guy is and what was their beef?

Absolutely. She said his name a dozen different times when reciting her list when she was traveling with the Hound. Plus, they identified him again in the "previously on..." segment at the beginning just to make sure viewers knew who he was.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Why would they be devoted to him now? That was the point of Tyrion's counsel to Dany. At the beginning Stannis had some air of legitimacy to his attempt at taking the throne. They were supporting the true line of succession. Now what are they supporting? In the winter. With, by the way, the walking dead behind them and they don't know that yet. They also made a point of showing how even the men didn't really want to see that. They didn't have to do that. Heck, Stannis himself was standing behind them. Take the ugliness of what he was doing away for a moment - if he truly was a good leader of his men, he should have been the one to light the torch and tell them why he did it. He was standing front and center when he burned Mace and make it clear why it was happening. This time, he stands in the back and lets the witch do it. He didn't show any leadership or justified cruelty or anything other than cowardice at that moment.

 

[mozzy84]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

 

[Yankee23Fan]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

True.

 

[culdeus]

http://i.imgur.com/09y76Gi.png

 

[GregR]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

True.

The troops don't have any idea Stannis killed his brother. They blamed Brienne and Lady Stark for it.

 

[KarmaPolice]

http://i.imgur.com/09y76Gi.png

A lot of great ones to pick from on this show.

 

[KarmaPolice]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

True.

The troops don't have any idea Stannis killed his brother. They blamed Brienne and Lady Stark for it.

Good point.

 

[Spin]

Of course Stannis was going to sacrifice his daughter. He's a religious nut, and he's been burning people alive pretty much since we met him. Stannis burned Rance at the stake. He burned his wife's brother. He burned all those bannerman that wouldn't tear down their idols. He killed his own brother so that he could be king, he's been doing this all along. Which is what makes GoT so good. We have these deplorable people, and yet they some how are able to make them sympathetic for awhile, so we seemingly "forgive" all the stuff we know about them. Which is what makes that scene between him and his daughter so chilling from earlier in the season. We forget about all those other bad things he's done, and it's kind of forgotten about and in the background, especially during his time at Castle Black and his back and forths with Jon Snow. But then BAM, it's thrown right back at us, front and center. This crazy guy who likes to burn people, will do anything if he thinks it will give him an edge in getting the Iron Throne.

Great season so far.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Can we get a separate thread for people who get butt hurt about the brutality of this show?

WAAAAAAHHHH SANSA GOT RAPED. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

OMG SCALEFACE GOT BURNT. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

MERLIN TRANT IS A PEDO. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

Jesus Christ people it's a show about despicable people doing despicable things to gain power

For someone whose shtick here seems to be anti-whining, you sure do a whole lot of whining.

 

[CBusAlex]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Why would they be devoted to him now? That was the point of Tyrion's counsel to Dany. At the beginning Stannis had some air of legitimacy to his attempt at taking the throne. They were supporting the true line of succession. Now what are they supporting? In the winter. With, by the way, the walking dead behind them and they don't know that yet. They also made a point of showing how even the men didn't really want to see that. They didn't have to do that. Heck, Stannis himself was standing behind them. Take the ugliness of what he was doing away for a moment - if he truly was a good leader of his men, he should have been the one to light the torch and tell them why he did it. He was standing front and center when he burned Mace and make it clear why it was happening. This time, he stands in the back and lets the witch do it. He didn't show any leadership or justified cruelty or anything other than cowardice at that moment.

He also ordered those guards hanged without even finding out how Ramsay & crew snuck into the camp. He's definitely not doing a whole lot to inspire loyalty lately.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Pushing someone else's kid off a ledge is pretty terrible, but I'm not really sure it's quite the same thing as sentencing your innocent daughter to get burned alive in front of her mother and everyone else when all you have to do is say the word and you can save her.

On that subject- why was it necessary to do that? Even if Stannis believed they had to kill her, why not do so in a quick and painless way so that she never has to know her father was responsible and his mother doesn't have to listen to her child's tortured screams?

Because that makes for really boring television

And that's where I have a problem with the writing. It just seems implausible- far more so to me than the Meereen rebellion at the end of the episode. There was clearly a less awful and more prudent way to accomplish the exact same goal, but we're going to ignore that obvious solution for a needlessly problematic one because it makes for a better scene? That's just lazy writing. Stannis may be a lot of things, but we've been led to believe he cares about his daughter and he's a good military leader, even while under the spell of the redhead. Seems lazy to totally throw those ideas aside just to cultivate emotional impact. At least give us a reason it had to go down that way, with the troops watching.

I just assume they keep doing this in front of the troops so Fire Crotch can show them all the power of the Lord of Light. Stannis is all in with this crap, but I guess this might be a way of keeping the troops on board with the religion and what they are doing?

 

[Chadstroma]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Uh.... he locked up every single man on guard duty and is going to hang them after they torture them to find out if they fell asleep or were working with the Boltons. Not ill treated?

Plus, they are cold as heck, hungry as heck and just watched a little girl being burned alive because of some religious nut chick said so.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

True.

The troops don't have any idea Stannis killed his brother. They blamed Brienne and Lady Stark for it.

And killing your brother who has openly taken up arms against you and directly is challenging for the throne you rightfully are heir to is vastly different from sacrificing your own innocent daughter in a death by fire for a god you may not believe in so that the snow melts.

 

[El Floppo]

oh- was happy to see Jon Snow allowed back into Castle Black, but found myself answering the temp commander with "get us killed? me? or maybe it will be the giant army of dead people and white walkers right on our heels". I get that it's assumed this conversation would be held- just prefer not having the unsaid stuff get second fiddle to character/plot writing.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Stannis belonging to weirdo red lady's cult is pretty much a non-starter for ruling Westeros, right?

 

[AcerFC]

How did Davos (Think that is Stanis' hand) know it was 20 men who burned the horses and munitions if they didnt catch them

 

[CBusAlex]

I thought Arya was gonna step up and play the role of under aged prostitute to get close enough to Trant to kill him.

"Wait, why does your #### taste like poison?"

 

[KarmaPolice]

How did Davos (Think that is Stanis' hand) know it was 20 men who burned the horses and munitions if they didnt catch them

He read the script?

 

[Chadstroma]

Of course Stannis was going to sacrifice his daughter. He's a religious nut, and he's been burning people alive pretty much since we met him. Stannis burned Rance at the stake. He burned his wife's brother. He burned all those bannerman that wouldn't tear down their idols. He killed his own brother so that he could be king, he's been doing this all along. Which is what makes GoT so good. We have these deplorable people, and yet they some how are able to make them sympathetic for awhile, so we seemingly "forgive" all the stuff we know about them. Which is what makes that scene between him and his daughter so chilling from earlier in the season. We forget about all those other bad things he's done, and it's kind of forgotten about and in the background, especially during his time at Castle Black and his back and forths with Jon Snow. But then BAM, it's thrown right back at us, front and center. This crazy guy who likes to burn people, will do anything if he thinks it will give him an edge in getting the Iron Throne.

Great season so far.

I don't think Stannis is a religious nut. I think he is a pragmatic man who sees the Red Woman making good on what she has told him. The Red Woman is behind all of the horrible things and he goes along with it not because he is an absolute true believer but he is in love with her and her magic 'works'.

 

[Chadstroma]

Stannis belonging to weirdo red lady's cult is pretty much a non-starter for ruling Westeros, right?

Most of the country follows the Seven. A small minority mostly in the north follow the old gods and then apparently the god of light is making some inroads but is still a minority. It could work against him if he gets that far.

 

[Spin]

How did Davos (Think that is Stanis' hand) know it was 20 men who burned the horses and munitions if they didnt catch them

He read the script?

Didn't he say something like, "It couldn't have been more then 20 men?" . Not knowing exactly how many, but it was a small group that was very familiar with the land and the layout.

 

[mozzy84]

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

Stannis killed his own brother and the troops serving his brother went over to him. If sacrificing the daughter works the troops won't despise him at all

True.

The troops don't have any idea Stannis killed his brother. They blamed Brienne and Lady Stark for it.

And killing your brother who has openly taken up arms against you and directly is challenging for the throne you rightfully are heir to is vastly different from sacrificing your own innocent daughter in a death by fire for a god you may not believe in so that the snow melts.

Good point, his bro was a d-bag. I still don't think his men really care so long as what he does works....

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Stannis also missed the real point of the Dance with Dragons story his daughter told him. When families turn on themselves for nothing but more power, bad things happen and they are ultimately destroyed.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Stannis also missed the real point of the Dance with Dragons story his daughter told him. When families turn on themselves for nothing but more power, bad things happen and they are ultimately destroyed.

Is there a main family that is not doing that? I guess the Tyrells?

 

[Chadstroma]

Stannis also missed the real point of the Dance with Dragons story his daughter told him. When families turn on themselves for nothing but more power, bad things happen and they are ultimately destroyed.

Is there a main family that is not doing that? I guess the Tyrells?

Stark's never did. Unless you count Theon as an adopted part of the Stark family. Now they are scattered to the wind with no real power in Westerosi politics other than their name.

 

[Amused to Death]

Does Trant recognize Arya?

I think he recognizes her from the dock and is a bit befuddled why he's seen this random girl three or four times since he's gotten there.

I thought Arya was gonna step up and play the role of under aged prostitute to get close enough to Trant to kill him.

Is he on her list?

Did anyone seriously remember who the hell that guy is and what was their beef?

Absolutely. She said his name a dozen different times when reciting her list when she was traveling with the Hound. Plus, they identified him again in the "previously on..." segment at the beginning just to make sure viewers knew who he was.

Not just travelling with the Hound, but this season when she was sitting outside the House of Black and White reciting the list over and over. Then they had the small council scene where Cersei tells Mace Tyrell (Master of Coin) to go to Braavos (where Arya is) and will be escorted by Meryn Trant. Essentially delivering one of the names on her list. Pretty much telegraphed Arya would have a chance to scratch another name off her list.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Stannis belonging to weirdo red lady's cult is pretty much a non-starter for ruling Westeros, right?

Ask Mitt Romney

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Stannis also missed the real point of the Dance with Dragons story his daughter told him. When families turn on themselves for nothing but more power, bad things happen and they are ultimately destroyed.

Is there a main family that is not doing that? I guess the Tyrells?

Starks. They still inspire devotion. Eddard went out of his way to protect his family above his own personal ambitions or quests for power.

I think we can put Dany in that mold now. She sacrified anything for Drogo, even though she didn't know what the sacrifice was going to be until too late.

Jon Snow, whatever he is going to end up being, likely would never have done that to, say, Sam.

I think that Tyrion's lesson to Dany about devotion might end up being the most important lesson about the powerful families on the spokes of the wheel. Baratheon will infight. Targaryean did and destroyed their culture. Lannister has done it and is paying the price. Don't know about the Tyrell's that much. The Boltons clearly will kill anyone and anything. The Frey leader guy doesn't care as long as he is on his own little throne somewhere. And on and on. The only family that stood up to that at least from what we have seen are the Starks.

 

[timschochet]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Well, he's killing them for falling down on guard duty for one thing.

if Stannis wins in battle none of this will matter. Winning solves everything. Of course if he fails again as he did at Blackwater, that's probably the end for him.

 

[Super King]

Stannis belonging to weirdo red lady's cult is pretty much a non-starter for ruling Westeros, right?

Ask Mitt Romney

Well, as long as Stannis submits his tax returns, he shouldn't have too bumpy a road to the throne...

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Stannis also missed the real point of the Dance with Dragons story his daughter told him. When families turn on themselves for nothing but more power, bad things happen and they are ultimately destroyed.

Is there a main family that is not doing that? I guess the Tyrells?

Stark's never did. Unless you count Theon as an adopted part of the Stark family. Now they are scattered to the wind with no real power in Westerosi politics other than their name.

And Theon has met a gruesome fate as a result of that betrayal.

Is there anyone so far that hasn't suffered when killing or ordering the killing of family members? Stannis hasn't yet but he just did it to his daughter. Unless you want to count Renly and then you accept that his daughter was the first terrible he had to deal with once he went down that path.... Dany did stand by and let her brother get gold helmeted but I don't know if that counts given that she was basically defending herself through the extension of her new family - Drogo and his people.

 

[thecatch]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

 

[glvsav37]

Stannis also missed the real point of the Dance with Dragons story his daughter told him. When families turn on themselves for nothing but more power, bad things happen and they are ultimately destroyed.

Nice easter egg...I def missed that.

IMO....on the army not revolting, I thought that the reason the BBQ'ed the girl was in sacrifice to the gods to help with the cold weather? So if the red ##### is telling all the freezing to death soldiers that is the reason, well then so be it (not that I agree).

And I think--by looking at the previews--

Spoiler

It may have worked, or just good timing, b/c they show her looking at melting icicles.

Also, is there anything to show that Fire Crotch didnt have those tents lit on fire with some magic juju to help push Stannis into making a sacrifice like that??

 

[Thunderlips]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

It was the manner in which it was shot. They waited for a hopeless situation and then slowed it down (her closing her eyes) for the money shot of the dragon popping in. If it had been more random (he showed up earlier) or they didn't have them in such a hopeless situation....it might have surprised more people.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

Any time someone has to fight someone else and there's not snow/Snow around, this show completely falls to ####.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

It was the manner in which it was shot. They waited for a hopeless situation and then slowed it down (her closing her eyes) for the money shot of the dragon popping in. If it had been more random (he showed up earlier) or they didn't have them in such a hopeless situation....it might have surprised more people.

was the closing of the eyes somehow her trying to contact him? or something

 

[shuke]

Also, is there anything to show that Fire Crotch didnt have those tents lit on fire with some magic juju to help push Stannis into making a sacrifice like that??

Yes, they showed Ramsey saying he would need 20 men on the "previously on" segment.

 

[bigbottom]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Well, he's killing them for falling down on guard duty for one thing.

if Stannis wins in battle none of this will matter. Winning solves everything.Of course if he fails again as he did at Blackwater, that's probably the end for him.

My point (which I deleted since others had already made it), was in response to your assertion that Stannis' soldiers weren't being ill-treated. He has them suffering and starving in the snow, and is torturing and killing them.

 

[GregR]

Stannis belonging to weirdo red lady's cult is pretty much a non-starter for ruling Westeros, right?

Most of the country follows the Seven. A small minority mostly in the north follow the old gods and then apparently the god of light is making some inroads but is still a minority. It could work against him if he gets that far.

Yep, wouldn't be the first time the dominant religion changed.

Power resides where men believe it resides. - Varys

 

[Whomper]

We did GOT thrones basketball draft. How bout a GOT Olympics ? Ill put Jorah in for the the javelin. That was a sweet throw

 

[LAUNCH]

Yankee, why would Stannis' men revolt? They're not the ones being ill-treated.

Don't worry I won't bring up real life examples but soldiers tend to actually be more loyal to rulers who perform despicable acts, so long as their own needs are met.

Well, he's killing them for falling down on guard duty for one thing.

if Stannis wins in battle none of this will matter. Winning solves everything.Of course if he fails again as he did at Blackwater, that's probably the end for him.

My point (which I deleted since others had already made it), was in response to your assertion that Stannis' soldiers weren't being ill-treated. He has them suffering and starving in the snow, and is torturing and killing them.

If they had any doubts about the Lord Of Light, you would assume that when the weather changes they would be gone. You know it is getting drilled into their heads. Even as a viewer, the LOL is the only "God" that has shown some type of reward for believers.

 

[GregR]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

It was the manner in which it was shot. They waited for a hopeless situation and then slowed it down (her closing her eyes) for the money shot of the dragon popping in. If it had been more random (he showed up earlier) or they didn't have them in such a hopeless situation....it might have surprised more people.

was the closing of the eyes somehow her trying to contact him? or something

Remains to be seen. Conceivable that the Targaryens used some warg-like ability to control the dragons and she tapped into it there. Maybe Bran will later teach her rather than control the dragons himself as some of us have predicted?

We do know Dany is special to some extent on her own. Fire didn't hurt her even before the dragons were hatched.

 

[Thunderlips]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

It was the manner in which it was shot. They waited for a hopeless situation and then slowed it down (her closing her eyes) for the money shot of the dragon popping in. If it had been more random (he showed up earlier) or they didn't have them in such a hopeless situation....it might have surprised more people.

was the closing of the eyes somehow her trying to contact him? or something

I'm not sure. I kind of thought it, but that kind of goes against the idea that she couldn't control him.

 

[shadyridr]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

Any time someone has to fight someone else and there's not snow/Snow around, this show completely falls to ####.

mountain vs red viper