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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (1 Viewer)

What about The Tyrells? 
I think they, for better or worse for them, have hitched their wagon to the Lannister star. They'll go as the Lannisters go.  There's several show only reasons as to why Dorne would be sympathetic to someone upsetting the Lannisters apple cart.....and IIRC, a number of other book only reasons. 

 
Something to do with the identity of  the High Sparrow?
That would more of a 'twist', as we know that Cersei knows about Wildfire already.  Not sure why that would be a 'rumor' (unless it is that they didn't know Tyrion didn't use it all up or something).  I guess we have seen enough bad writing this season, that this wouldn't be out of character though ;)

First thing that sprung to mind was what you stated: something to do with the identity or motives of the High Sparrow.  Other thing that popped into mind is that they find out Margery is pregnant/faking her conversion or something on those lines. 

 
I think they, for better or worse for them, have hitched their wagon to the Lannister star. They'll go as the Lannisters go.  There's several show only reasons as to why Dorne would be sympathetic to someone upsetting the Lannisters apple cart.....and IIRC, a number of other book only reasons. 
Fair enough.  Didn't know if they put Varys leaving on the heels of a seeming fall out between the Lannisters and Tyrells for a reason.  Makes more sense for us to get reintroduced to Dorne in episode 10 as Varys rolls in. 

 
That would more of a 'twist', as we know that Cersei knows about Wildfire already.  Not sure why that would be a 'rumor' (unless it is that they didn't know Tyrion didn't use it all up or something).  I guess we have seen enough bad writing this season, that this wouldn't be out of character though ;)

First thing that sprung to mind was what you stated: something to do with the identity or motives of the High Sparrow.  Other thing that popped into mind is that they find out Margery is pregnant/faking her conversion or something on those lines. 
this f'n guy  :lmao:

 
That would more of a 'twist', as we know that Cersei knows about Wildfire already.  Not sure why that would be a 'rumor' (unless it is that they didn't know Tyrion didn't use it all up or something).  I guess we have seen enough bad writing this season, that this wouldn't be out of character though ;)

First thing that sprung to mind was what you stated: something to do with the identity or motives of the High Sparrow.  Other thing that popped into mind is that they find out Margery is pregnant/faking her conversion or something on those lines. 
Well, the pyromancers were making it for Cersei, doesn't imply that she knew about the tons of cache's already hidden below the city.  She might know about the existence of wildfire, and hired some people to make some for her, without ever knowing about it already being there in masses.  Doesn't seem like too far of a stretch.

 
Well, the pyromancers were making it for Cersei, doesn't imply that she knew about the tons of cache's already hidden below the city.  She might know about the existence of wildfire, and hired some people to make some for her, without ever knowing about it already being there in masses.  Doesn't seem like too far of a stretch.
I guess.  Maybe I misread the scene.  I took it as he said they had been making it non stop since Cersei instructed them to and showed Tyrion the cache of it, and assumed she had an idea what they had going on down there.  Fair enough if it's the case the Tyrion used all or most of that on Stannis, and now the rumor is there is a #### ton somewhere else from The Mad King, and Cersei is going to use his supplies. 

 
Does kind of make sense that Cersei will go bonkers and burn #### down, probably getting Tommen killed in the process. Maybe that is what Daenerys saw in her vision of King's landing all burnt to ####. She flies in with her dragons and on ships only to see the pace already destroyed.

 
I guess.  Maybe I misread the scene.  I took it as he said they had been making it non stop since Cersei instructed them to and showed Tyrion the cache of it, and assumed she had an idea what they had going on down there.  Fair enough if it's the case the Tyrion used all or most of that on Stannis, and now the rumor is there is a #### ton somewhere else from The Mad King, and Cersei is going to use his supplies. 
They were putting into clay jars.  In Bran's vision it showed Barrels of the stuff exploding.  

 
Does kind of make sense that Cersei will go bonkers and burn #### down, probably getting Tommen killed in the process. Maybe that is what Daenerys saw in her vision of King's landing all burnt to ####. She flies in with her dragons and on ships only to see the pace already destroyed.
Yep, would fit in with Jaimie's story coming full circle and have to deal with a Mad Queen in the same way.  Will he be join Tyrion in the ranks of Kinslayers?

 
That was an important character development point. She was at another crossroads, she could choose to be no-one, an assassin for hire, but she stayed true to who she's always been, someone with a (at times misguided/simplistic?) sense of justice who will kill for a cause and/or vengeance. She's not as physically skilled as the waif, she was never going to go out and win a bunch of hand to hand combats based on strength. In the end she proved more clever, a better read of character/tendencies/motivations/environment, which is more important in most cases for the kind of work she'll be doing. Those are the lessons she's learned and skills she's developed along the way from Sorel and mostly Jaquen. She didn't beat the waif by playing the waif's game, she beat the waif on Arya's terms.
Great point, IMO. Let's also remember that she learned not just how to read lies, but she got so good at lying herself that she fooled the waif and Jaqin herself a couple of times.

 
Great point, IMO. Let's also remember that she learned not just how to read lies, but she got so good at lying herself that she fooled the waif and Jaqin herself a couple of times.
:yes:

To that point, I think Jaqen knew exactly who was going to come out on top in the long run between the waif and Arya. That was Arya's real final test - getting rid of Jaqen's annoying work associate for him.

 
I think a lot of you guys are giving Arya way too much credit. 

Can we all at least agree that it is definitely a good thing she is getting the #### out of Braavos ??

 
Not that we saw anyway.  Basically she is able to kill a MFer in the dark now. 
It would be cool if she took a couple faces off of the wall and took them with her.  Although,  I'm not entirely sure how that works, the waif looked like she had the body of the old lady when she stabbed Ayra.   Clearly had the voice 

 
Yep, would fit in with Jaimie's story coming full circle and have to deal with a Mad Queen in the same way.  Will he be join Tyrion in the ranks of Kinslayers?
Jamie'd let everything fall to save her. I think Arya's job now is to get to work on her list with Cersei being one of them. She watcher her dad get beheaded. I think Arya has to off Cersei.

 
Not that we saw anyway.  Basically she is able to kill a MFer in the dark now. 
Fortunately she's traveling to a place where people are largely honest, so any ability she developed in discerning truth from lies is useless. 

Would be fun to see her walk into Winterfell while Littlefinger is in the midst of bargaining for something with a, "He's lying." 

"No, you're lying about that, too." 

"Do you ever tell the truth?"

"Nope, still lying."

 
Fair enough.  Didn't know if they put Varys leaving on the heels of a seeming fall out between the Lannisters and Tyrells for a reason.  Makes more sense for us to get reintroduced to Dorne in episode 10 as Varys rolls in. 


Yeah, they've gone out of their way to show that they Mace Tyrell is incapable.....so I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up with Olenna at Highgarden. 

 
No shortage of potential faces to use in Westeros. 
She needs to put the band back together with the Hound. He slays 'em, she flays 'em. Would be some poetic justice if she got to kill Ramsay and flay the face off him. Or maybe flay the face off him before she kills him.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I think a lot of you guys are giving Arya way too much credit. 

Can we all at least agree that it is definitely a good thing she is getting the #### out of Braavos ??
I'm happy she's leaving Braavos but hope this isn't the end of Jaqen. Even though I didn't really like Arya's extended time with him, I feel like his story needs more explanation/flushing out in terms of how/why he came to meet her in the first place, and hopefully there is more to the faceless men than we've seen so far.

Of course it could get really stupid too not knowing if someone is who they look like or just wearing a face, so maybe good riddance?!

 
KarmaPolice said:
:lol:

I must have been dozing during the Arya stuff.  No wonder I hated the story so much.  ;)

Maybe she just grabbed a few off the wall on her way out?
Was one of the best scenes. Unfortunate that you missed. 

 
Not sure how its too much credit. She either took her lumps while being better trained to kill the people she wants to kill and then planned her exit.

Or she fell a$$ backwards into all of it and somehow the stars perfectly alligned so she could get out.

I choose to believe plan. 

:shrug:

Re-uniting with the hound does need to happen though.

 
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I must say I was disappointed with what direction the Arya story went.  I really thought she would go through with training and end up back in Westeros, and take Cersei out herself, maybe even The Mountain (last two on her "list"?), while in someone else's face.

 
I must say I was disappointed with what direction the Arya story went.  I really thought she would go through with training and end up back in Westeros, and take Cersei out herself, maybe even The Mountain (last two on her "list"?), while in someone else's face.
She still could do those things

 
You know one thing that has really bothered me?  The Dorne story line and how they handled it this season.  It was clear they stopped showing us Dorne scenes due to audience #####ing about it.  But they had the sand snakes over throw and kill their uncle for NOT doing anything? Only to then spend an entire season... not doing anything.  I get that it wasn't getting good reception from the audience, but why not just end it with Mycella being killed and then just not show Dorne again.  That could have been the conclusion to Dorne there.

 
You know one thing that has really bothered me?  The Dorne story line and how they handled it this season.  It was clear they stopped showing us Dorne scenes due to audience #####ing about it.  But they had the sand snakes over throw and kill their uncle for NOT doing anything? Only to then spend an entire season... not doing anything.  I get that it wasn't getting good reception from the audience, but why not just end it with Mycella being killed and then just not show Dorne again.  That could have been the conclusion to Dorne there.
I assume it simply sets up Dorne being the natural allies for Daenerys when she reaches Westeros. 

But really, I don't know who is going to fight Daenerys when she gets there.  Once Tommen dies, who is left that will really want to fight Daenerys?  

 
Maybe I've skimmed too much here, but yeah... she could have stolen a few faces before/after getting the Waif's prepped and up on the wall.  :shrug:  
Does she even need a new face?  Who would even recognize her, doesn't everyone assume she's dead and it's been years since anyone in Westeros has seen her?  She could just pose as a waitress at just about any event and would blend right in.

 
I assume it simply sets up Dorne being the natural allies for Daenerys when she reaches Westeros. 

But really, I don't know who is going to fight Daenerys when she gets there.  Once Tommen dies, who is left that will really want to fight Daenerys?  
Anyone who doesn't want to be raped and pillaged by the Dothraki horde, I'm guessing. 

 
You know one thing that has really bothered me?  The Dorne story line and how they handled it this season.  It was clear they stopped showing us Dorne scenes due to audience #####ing about it.  But they had the sand snakes over throw and kill their uncle for NOT doing anything? Only to then spend an entire season... not doing anything.  I get that it wasn't getting good reception from the audience, but why not just end it with Mycella being killed and then just not show Dorne again.  That could have been the conclusion to Dorne there.
The dorne story line isn't over, and it's actually integral to what's coming soon if I'm right in my guess 

 
I must say I was disappointed with what direction the Arya story went.  I really thought she would go through with training and end up back in Westeros, and take Cersei out herself, maybe even The Mountain (last two on her "list"?), while in someone else's face.
She just finished her training and is on her way back to westeros.  

 
I assume it simply sets up Dorne being the natural allies for Daenerys when she reaches Westeros. 

But really, I don't know who is going to fight Daenerys when she gets there.  Once Tommen dies, who is left that will really want to fight Daenerys?  
I assumed Varys was off to Dorne to start negotiations.

 
Gotta be some deaths in the next episode.

Preview shows Davos twice and he is charging into battle. He's too old and had a nice run. He'll have a good death. Bye bye!

 
Gotta be some deaths in the next episode.

Preview shows Davos twice and he is charging into battle. He's too old and had a nice run. He'll have a good death. Bye bye!
Hope not but it's likely. He's the best advisor a leader could have so it would be a big loss to Jon going forward...assuming Jon lives. 

 
Hope not but it's likely. He's the best advisor a leader could have so it would be a big loss to Jon going forward...assuming Jon lives. 
I also don't like that Jon can be resurrected at any time by Melisandra. Kinda makes a fight seem like not a big deal since he can just Groundhog Day it. I think that's why they purposefully put it in the preview of him telling her not to bring him back if he dies. She could anyway.and we've been there, done that. Therefore, I think Melisandre and her assets are going to go bye bye as well. :(

If Littlefinger shows up to turn the tide with the Vale army, I can see him getting whacked as well. The Vale army then falls in line with the victorious Starks and they are loaded and ready to roll some more next season!

More likely that could happen after a Petr/Sansa marriage though next season I suppose. Maybe that's LF's demand to engage the army. He always has to get something in return. He can get knocked off later I suppose.

There has to be a surprise death as well. My sleeper pick for Death this week is Brienne. Her storyline seems wrapped up. She did what she said she would do. She had her emotional talk and goodbye waves with Jamie and is heading to a battleground. Adios!

 
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Or maybe we are just realizing he's never been an especially good character / actor. Just a panty dropper with a bunch of hype. 

Not it that there's anything wrong with panty dropping, mind you. Except at this point he may be wearing a pair himself. 
I think it's the actor frankly.  Jon Snow has been completely one note, and didn't have to be.

I thought the actor who played Robb Stark was excellent.  Kind of wish they had switched those 2 roles.

 
I also don't like that Jon can be resurrected at any time by Melisandra. Kinda makes a fight seem like not a big deal since he can just Groundhog Day it. I think that's why they purposefully put it in the preview of him telling her not to bring him back if he dies. She could anyway.and we've been there, done that. Therefore, I think Melisandre and her assets are going to go bye bye as well. :(
Preview shows Davos standing by what appears to be the spot where Shireen was burned.  Maybe Davos confronts Milesandre and executes her before the the battle.  Then again another red priest is going up north now, so who knows.

 
New theory on how it all ends.

The White Walkers win the war and devastate Westros, winter has finally come. The survivors hide but are quickly cut down by their merciless tormentors.

The Iron Bank informs the Night King that as ruler of Westros, the White Walkers have assumed the debts of all Westrosi houses. The White Walkers quickly retreat north and build a new, bigger wall to keep out the bankers.
 

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